View Full Version : Black Asphalt, Desert Snow, and more bad cops (civil forfeiture)



TheTravellers
10-06-2014, 10:28 AM
Gazette had an editorial about this, dug around and found the original WaPo story - really, really disgusting, but not surprising.

http://okgazette.com/2014/09/24/commentary-policing-for-profit-meets-big-brother/

Aggressive police take hundreds of millions of dollars from motorists not charged with crimes | The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/) (the other 2 parts are accessed by the menu in the upper left corner)

Here are some quotes from the WaPo article:

Operating in collaboration with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, Immigration and Customs Enforcement and other federal entities, Black Asphalt members exchanged tens of thousands of reports about American motorists, many of whom had not been charged with any crimes, according to a company official and hundreds of internal documents obtained by The Post. For years, it received no oversight by government, even though its reports contained law enforcement sensitive information about traffic stops and seizures, along with hunches and personal data about drivers, including Social Security numbers and identifying tattoos.

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Black Asphalt also has served as a social hub for a new brand of highway interdictors, a group that one Desert Snow official has called “a brotherhood.” Among other things, the site hosts an annual competition to honor police who seize the most contraband and cash on the highways. As part of the contest, Desert Snow encouraged state and local patrol officers to post seizure data along with photos of themselves with stacks of currency and drugs. Some of the photos appear in a rousing hard-rock video that the Guthrie, Okla.-based Desert Snow uses to promote its training courses.

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In January last year, David hired himself and his top trainers out as a roving private interdiction unit for the district attorney’s office in rural Caddo County, Okla. Working with local police, Desert Snow contract employees took in more than $1 million over six months from drivers on the state’s highways, including Interstate 40 west of Oklahoma City. Under its contract, the firm was allowed to keep 25 percent of the cash.

When Caddo County District Court Judge David A. Stephens learned that Desert Snow employees were not sworn law enforcement officers in Oklahoma, he denounced the arrangement as “shocking,” and he threatened to put David in jail if it continued.

The state’s American Civil Liberties Union chapter called for an investigation of the district attorney and criminal charges against Desert Snow employees for impersonating law enforcement officers.

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“Police Officers Are Not Required To Inform A Motorist At The End Of A Traffic Stop That He Or She Is ‘Free To Go’ Before Seeking Permission to Search The Motorist’s Car,” the training material says.

Desert Snow urges police to work toward what are known as a “consensual encounters” — beginning with asking drivers whether they mind chatting after a warning ticket has been issued. The consensual chat gives police more time to look for indicators and mitigates later questions in court about unreasonably long traffic stops.

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Computer-generated animations made by a Desert Snow marketing official featuring a cartoon cop called Larry the Interdictor have drawn especially ribald commentary. One is set in a courtroom where Larry insinuates that the defense lawyer questioning him is gay. He testifies that he disdains “Rastafarian douchebags who do nothing all day but smoke weed, live with their mom, and beat off to kiddie porn.”

The video prompted hoots from Black Asphalt users online.

“omg i’m still rolling!!!! this has got to be the funniest stuff ive ever heard!” one user wrote.

“DUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE! That crap is HILARIOUS!” said another.

“Thanks for the video laughs,” Joe David wrote. “It was great.”

RadicalModerate
10-06-2014, 03:31 PM
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http://www.okctalk.com/current-events-open-topic/39108-ohp-okla-women%3B-want-avoid-getting-raped-police-dont-break-law-2.html

RadicalModerate
11-09-2014, 10:44 AM
Couldn't think of a better place to drop this . . .
Apparently, this porcine individual's Black Asphalt/Desert Snow Training (at least the part involving tactful salesmanship) was incomplete.
And here I thought this type of Law Enforcement Officer had to speak with a Deep Southern or Chicago accent . . . well . . . Mississippi, Chicago or Berlin in the '30s accent.
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btw: if I counted right, the "officer" has five stripes on his sleeve. I wonder how many of those 25 years he's been pulling this sort of "sheet". did I forget to mention that I am outraged? Well . . . I am.

Bunty
11-09-2014, 11:04 AM
Legislators can't do anything about Black Asphalt unjustly harassing innocent people. This is because legislators fear if they did, they would be voted out of office. The only hope anything can be done is for cops to be daring and crazy enough to pick on wealthy people. Such people can toss a lot of political campaign money around and don't have to try to tolerate such treatment.

stick47
11-09-2014, 11:07 AM
Suspended without pay. I think he should do a few hundred hours of communty service after they fire him.

Deputy suspended after video post - Times Union (http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Saratoga-deputy-suspended-as-video-of-slapping-5880169.php)

RadicalModerate
11-09-2014, 03:24 PM
Suspended without pay. I think he should do a few hundred hours of communty service after they fire him.

Deputy suspended after video post - Times Union (http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Saratoga-deputy-suspended-as-video-of-slapping-5880169.php)

I think it should be a couple of years of "community service" . . . in an orange jumpsuit instead of a blue uniform.
I noticed, reading your link, that the guy's name is "Glans" . . . How appropriate is that?
He seems to be a dickhead in more than name only.

Tritone
11-09-2014, 08:24 PM
A robust vocabulary allows some of us to see humor that is not apparent to others. Perhaps he has a partner named Crena.

TheTravellers
06-23-2015, 09:35 PM
New Campaign Proves Stopping Police From Stealing Innocent People's Property Is A Bipartisan Issue (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/23/fix-forfeiture-police_n_7647028.html)

"A number of top progressive and conservative groups are banding together for a new campaign dedicated to reforming civil asset forfeiture, a controversial practice that allows law enforcement to seize a person's property -- including cash, cars, jewelry and houses -- without obtaining a conviction or even charging the owner with a crime. In most states, to reclaim seized property, owners must prove it is not connected to criminal activity, effectively inverting the American legal principle that suspects are innocent until proven guilty.

Fix Forfeiture, a 501(c)(4) organization that officially launched Tuesday at an event in the Pennsylvania Capitol, plans to push for a significant overhaul of these laws. It has rounded up a bipartisan coalition that include progressive organizations like the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for American Progress, as well as conservative ones like Americans for Tax Reform and FreedomWorks. The nonprofit will coordinate these varying voices -- all of which have campaigned separately on the issue of civil asset forfeiture -- as it lobbies for reform at both the state and federal levels."

https://www.ij.org/asset-forfeiture-report-oklahoma

"Oklahoma has terrible civil forfeiture laws, and its statutes give law enforcement significant financial incentives to seize property."

TU 'cane
06-24-2015, 07:17 AM
I believe there was a bill this session that would have greatly curbed civil asset forfeiture rights of local PDs in OK, but I would have to go back and dig it out.

On the subject, I find this act purely despicable. This is literally being robbed at gun point by the State. I guess I should specify, we're being "legally" robbed by the proper authorities...
(Two links for same story, one more for a different guy):

How the DEA took a young man?s life savings without ever charging him with a crime - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/05/11/how-the-dea-took-a-young-mans-life-savings-without-ever-charging-him-of-a-crime/)

DEA Strikes Again: Seize Man's Life Savings Under Civil Asset Forfeiture Without Charges | Zero Hedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-18/dea-strikes-again-seize-mans-life-savings-under-civil-asset-forfeiture-without-charg)

Charles Clarke had his life savings seized through civil forfeiture - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/charles-clarke-had-his-life-savings-seized-through-civil-forfeiture-2015-6)

Jeepnokc
06-24-2015, 07:50 AM
The whole legal system has become all about money. When the bogus check fees dried up for the District Attorney's office, they started charging monthly probation fees. The DA's office (the one who directly benefits from the money) is the only one that can waive it. Not so surprising...we started seeing cases that used to warrant one year probation now require 2 years probation so the DA can collect an additional year of the $40/mo probation fee even though there really is no real supervision.

Another example is how the government can damage property in the name of drug enforcement and not be required to pay for the damages. Here is link to an article I wrote several weeks ago. Law Enforcement Covert Operations: Any Legal Constraints?Hunsucker Legal Group (http://oklahoma-criminal-defense-lawyer.com/law-enforcement-covert-operations-are-there-any-legal-constraints-on-them/)

Our local district attorney won't return confiscated guns even though he has no legal authority to forfeit them. These are cases where a person (even CCW holders) may have their legal gun in the glove compartment and gets arrested for a DUI. They confiscate the gun and won't return it. They try and force surrender of the gun by requiring the forfeiture as part of the plea agreement.

TU 'cane
06-24-2015, 08:09 AM
Firstly, thanks for posting that article, it's neat to know someone has real perspective on this subject.
Second, agreed on the point that basically it's all about revenue generation.
What's funny, is that we hear all of the time that "it's not about revenue." When a politician or government entity says that, you know the exact opposite is the truth. Here's a story that happened recently, and I provided a counter story that I feel is a rather pathetic attempt to defend the actions of the PD:

Owner: Standoff house in Greenwood Village is "destroyed" - The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28260473/owner-standoff-house-greenwood-village-is-destroyed)

No, ?paramilitary thug? cops didn?t destroy a guy?s home in Colorado to catch a ?shoplifter? | Twitchy (http://twitchy.com/2015/06/09/no-paramilitary-thug-cops-didnt-destroy-a-guys-home-in-colorado-to-catch-a-shoplifter/)

onthestrip
06-24-2015, 10:07 AM
This is all a result of cutting taxes, starving government and forcing government agencies like the police to start having to police for profit. Its the same with the court system. Dont properly fund them so they then fee the hell out of every crime and criminal and you basically end up with some people in perpetual debt or essentially debtors prison.