Interactive Map Shows The Truth About Who's Not Vaccinating Kids In LA (http://io9.com/interactive-map-shows-the-truth-about-whos-not-vaccinat-1633160079)

A whooping cough epidemic is sweeping across California—and 94% of the cases involve children and infants, for whom the illness can be fatal. Low vaccination rates are responsible for the outbreak. But, surprisingly, it's the most affluent, educated parents who are opting out of immunization programs.

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NOVA | Vaccines?Calling the Shots (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/vaccines-calling-shots.html)

This anti-vaccination trend is so completely foolish.

I think this trend is starting to die out as people get more educated and there are more outbreaks of age-old diseases.

The tea party anti science, anti facts, anti government everything is about to boomerang big time. Let people see their kids dying because of some political ignorance and you will see people flee their cause quickly. Maybe someday they might understand the issues of global warming too.

The tea party anti science, anti facts, anti government everything is about to boomerang big time. Let people see their kids dying because of some political ignorance and you will see people flee their cause quickly. Maybe someday they might understand the issues of global warming too.
As irritated as I get by the tea party crowd you can't put the all the blame on them for this idiotic trend. This crosses political boundaries. Plenty of moderates and liberals have all jumped on this bandwagon.

As irritated as I get by the tea party crowd you can't put the all the blame on them for this idiotic trend. This crosses political boundaries. Plenty of moderates and liberals have all jumped on this bandwagon.

X2. This was a thing long before the derpers latched on to it.

Meningitis and tetanus make whooping cough look like a walk in the park. I've seen both and they're not pretty. You have to be in lala land to think it can't happen to your child.

If I were a Darwinist (or a Saganite) I might suggest that this is Natural Selection in Action.
Yet I am not. So I won't.
(p.s.: I'm not a roamin' catholic nor no scientologist neither. I signed up for my flu shot this year. So I guess I ain't Christian Seancetist.)

Probably, lining up with the rest of the kids to get the Polio Vaccine and, later, a sugar cube or two (back in the 50's) made me a believer.

Oh! And on account of having the Flu Vaccine last season, I didn't even get a "cold" last winter!

(the bad side effect of the vaccine is that it makes you remember why you did it)

This anti-vaccination trend is so completely foolish.

I think this trend is starting to die out as people get more educated and there are more outbreaks of age-old diseases.

Still . . . don't all those TV ads about cures, involving side-effects worse than the perceived malady itself, invite questions that can't be answered? Especially those directed toward age-old/old-age people? (I bought into one of those Viagra ads the first time I saw it and haven't yet called a physician to address my . . . "state of being" . . . even after four hours . . . or maybe months? =)

a peon tribute to Robin Williams, please forgive me. thank you.

X2. This was a thing long before the derpers latched on to it.

It is impossible to miss the point with the use of the word Derpers.
That, derpers, is the mother-lode of comedy roots.
Derpers don't miss . . . Never.

Now: Make that concept into a slogan in favor of vaccination.
On my desk by next Wednesday. Throw some EbolaFear into it. And Asteroids.
Plus that volcano shock wave vid stuff from the boaters.

Get Vaccinated . . . or else . . . THIS MIGHT HAPPEN! . . . but it will probably only be this . . . . whimper(from malady) die.

Did I forget to mention do it in a "Spanish" version including ever dialect of every language currently spoken in Greater Los Angeles?
sorry.

=) "make it so"

The worst part of the trend is it doesn't just affect the people who don't vaccinate, it also compromises our herd immunity. There are people who really actually cannot be vaccinated for real actual medical reasons, and the herd immunity that is supposed to keep them safe is being ruined by idiots.

Jenny McCarthy was a key spokesperson for the anti-vax movement, as she attributed her child's autism to vaccinations.

But any link between autism and immunizations has been completely refuted in many studies now, and of course McCarthy is hardly the sharpest knife in the drawer.

It seems the anti-vax hysteria has started to die down but the ramifications will be felt for quite some time.

Jenny McCarthy was a key spokesperson for the anti-vax movement, as she attributed her child's autism to vaccinations.

But any link between autism and immunizations has been completely refuted in many studies now, and of course McCarthy is hardly the sharpest knife in the drawer.

It seems the anti-vax hysteria has started to die down but the ramifications will be felt for quite some time.

She also cured her son with some woo woo.

More pediatricians need to fire patients that do not vaccinate. The exemption that is offered to parents of school going kids needs to be eliminated as well. If you do not want to vaccinate your kids, fine, home school them.

Jenny McCarthy was a key spokesperson for the anti-vax movement, as she attributed her child's autism to vaccinations.

But any link between autism and immunizations has been completely refuted in many studies now, and of course McCarthy is hardly the sharpest knife in the drawer.

It seems the anti-vax hysteria has started to die down but the ramifications will be felt for quite some time.

I have never gotten a straight story on her son...she claims the MMR shot gave him autism but he's been healthy for years. A big reason she was booted off the View is because people were very turned off by her holier than thou views on vaccination, among other things.

Also, I don't mind some PDA, but I had to change the channel the other day when she was practically eating Donnie Wahlberg's face.

Probably because it tasted like a hamburger.

Donnie Wahlberg's face tastes like a hamburger?


Well then.

I'd probably eat it too.

i was going to gis a picture of jenny mccarthy acting goofy but fortunately realized in time that my cunning plan wouldn't be too good of an idea at the office. -M

Donnie Wahlberg's face tastes like a hamburger?


Well then.

I'd probably eat it too.

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Probably because it tasted like a hamburger.

Well played sir.

Anybody who takes Jenny McCarthy as an expert on anything deserves to follow the advice she gives. Why we keep mistaking celebrity for authority is beyond me. Expert after expert can testify what they know according to scientific study and observation, but Brad Pitt, or Lady GaGa says something and people believe. I don't know who is dumber and more gullible, the speaker or the audience.

What did brad pitt say?

What did brad pitt say?

He said Donnie Wahlberg's face does tastes like a hamburger.

So if all the kids who are vaccinated are so well protected why worry about the ones who aren't? Not your problem. If the shots work then you shouldn't be afraid.

Also, children are injured and killed by vaxing. But that's just collateral damage, right? Unless it's yours.

Didn't mean to spoil your little pro vax party with some derp logic. Proceed.

Herd immunity...please.:rolleyes:

So if all the kids who are vaccinated are so well protected why worry about the ones who aren't? Not your problem. If the shots work then you shouldn't be afraid.

Also, children are injured and killed by vaxing. But that's just collateral damage, right? Unless it's yours.

Didn't mean to spoil your little pro vax party with some derp logic. Proceed.

Herd immunity...please.:rolleyes:

More like herd immunity, please!

I'm confused, is this an actual argument or an intentional example of a bad one?

More like herd immunity, please!

I'm confused, is this an actual argument or an intentional example of a bad one?

Ooh, I see what you did there!

I'm immune to insults. (Did you see what I did there?)

So if all the kids who are vaccinated are so well protected why worry about the ones who aren't? Not your problem. If the shots work then you shouldn't be afraid.

Also, children are injured and killed by vaxing. But that's just collateral damage, right? Unless it's yours.

Didn't mean to spoil your little pro vax party with some derp logic. Proceed.

Herd immunity...please.:rolleyes:


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Ooh, I see what you did there!

I'm immune to insults. (Did you see what I did there?)
Hang on, what did David say that was insulting? You're the one who joined the discussion with guns blazing and an insulting tone directed at other posters.

So if all the kids who are vaccinated are so well protected why worry about the ones who aren't? Not your problem. If the shots work then you shouldn't be afraid.

Also, children are injured and killed by vaxing. But that's just collateral damage, right? Unless it's yours.

Didn't mean to spoil your little pro vax party with some derp logic. Proceed.

Herd immunity...please.:rolleyes:

So it's child abuse to beat your child, but it's fine to ignore the overwhelming scientific and visible evidence of vaccine effectiveness and refuse to vaccinate an innocent child who has no voice in the decision? Risking mental retardation, loss of limbs, loss of hearing or vision, paralysis and death by withholding vaccinations is child neglect/abuse to me.

It's too bad it's a HIPAA violation to show you videos of a few kids who "survived" meningitis that we can prevent with an immunization.

Ooh, I see what you did there!

I'm immune to insults. (Did you see what I did there?)

So, have you noticed how many children grow up crippled because of polio these days? Or are stillborn because of congenital rubella? Or all the other childhood illnesses that used to kill children in the millions?

Not many, huh. My mother had polio, and I did not. That is the miracle of vaccinations, and the anti-vax movement is trying to undo a hundred years of children not dying.

So, have you noticed how many children grow up crippled because of polio these days? Or are stillborn because of congenital rubella? Or all the other childhood illnesses that used to kill children in the millions?

Not many, huh. My mother had polio, and I did not. That is the miracle of vaccinations, and the anti-vax movement is trying to undo a hundred years of children not dying.

My father had polio and I didn't thanks to the availability of vaccinations.

So if all the kids who are vaccinated are so well protected why worry about the ones who aren't? Not your problem. If the shots work then you shouldn't be afraid.

Also, children are injured and killed by vaxing. But that's just collateral damage, right? Unless it's yours.

Didn't mean to spoil your little pro vax party with some derp logic. Proceed.

Herd immunity...please.:rolleyes:

Because some of us care about society in general, not just our own families.

Yes, you have a very very small number of children who can become sick, or possibly even die, from vaccinations. When I was a baby I was in a car accident. My mom was holding me, I was not in a car seat. I suffered a few minor scratches. The back of the car, where the baby car seat was, was destroyed. Statistically you're far, far safer having your baby in the baby seat than you are holding them in your lap. Doesn't mean people can't find that one exception.

yeah... the department of health tracks adverse events from vaccinations in vaers. for giggles, i downloaded the data from 2013. of all of the people vaccinated in the united states in 2013, there were 28 deaths... that's not just children but everybody. furthermore, this includes every adverse event reported after an individual is vaccinated... so all 28 of those deaths may not have been a direct result of vaccination. bottom line, risk of a serious adverse event is not statistically significant. -M

Occasionally someone dies from seat belt injuries too.

But Jenny McCarthy said vaccines are bad and she's smarter than all of you put together. I'm so enlightened by all the super duper points you made, though: Nurse betts with her scare tactics (just easier to shock the parents into submission, eh? betts.), apocryphal stories of polio (MY father had polio too and I DIDN'T get immunized and I DIDN'T get it, so that's just luck, huh?), the obvious lack of empathy for society in general (Take your shots you selfish people hater! ONE OF US, ONE OF US, ONE OF US!) and please quote more stats, THAT will change minds (28 dead humans is insignificant to you, nice.) And how does someone inject a seatbelt into their body exactly? (Oh, I see, it's just a forced analogy.) I'll rush right out on that salient bit of insight to get those shots! Better grab my helmet, don't want to catch a cold.

I watched Nova on PBS yesterday. It was about Vaccines and the anti-vaccine crowd.

The show opened showing a 8 week old baby who came down with Whooping Cough just days before he would have received his first DTAP shot. Watching him coughing and struggling to breathe was heartbreaking.

They interviewed a pediatrician in OKC, who specialized in the treatment of adolescents, about the HPV vaccine and showed her talking to a woman who was afraid if she gave the HPV vaccine to her daughter it would encourage her to be promiscuous. (smh) Then, they interviewed another OKC woman who's daughter died at age 37 from cervical cancer.

I try to be respectful of other people's point of view, but these anti-vaccine folks baffle me. And the woman who is willing to put her daughter at risk for cervical cancer? Lady, you your priorities all messed up!

But Jenny McCarthy said vaccines are bad and she's smarter than all of you put together. I'm so enlightened by all the super duper points you made, though: Nurse betts with her scare tactics (just easier to shock the parents into submission, eh? betts.), apocryphal stories of polio (MY father had polio too and I DIDN'T get immunized and I DIDN'T get it, so that's just luck, huh?), the obvious lack of empathy for society in general (Take your shots you selfish people hater! ONE OF US, ONE OF US, ONE OF US!) and please quote more stats, THAT will change minds (28 dead humans is insignificant to you, nice.) And how does someone inject a seatbelt into their body exactly? (Oh, I see, it's just a forced analogy.) I'll rush right out on that salient bit of insight to get those shots! Better grab my helmet, don't want to catch a cold.

0/10. the jenny mccarthy reference is a dead giveaway. -M

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I watched Nova on PBS yesterday. It was about Vaccines and the anti-vaccine crowd.

The show opened showing a 8 week old baby who came down with Whooping Cough just days before he would have received his first DTAP shot. Watching him coughing and struggling to breathe was heartbreaking.

They interviewed a pediatrician in OKC, who specialized in the treatment of adolescents, about the HPV vaccine and showed her talking to a woman who was afraid if she gave the HPV vaccine to her daughter it would encourage her to be promiscuous. (smh) Then, they interviewed another OKC woman who's daughter died at age 37 from cervical cancer.

I try to be respectful of other people's point of view, but these anti-vaccine folks baffle me. And the woman who is willing to put her daughter at risk for cervical cancer? Lady, you your priorities all messed up!

How dare she question science! Get in line and take your shots plebe.

0/10. the jenny mccarthy reference is a dead giveaway. -M

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She was brought into the conversation by someone else earlier in the thread. Reference was to that. Might want to read everything before commenting, Der Kommissar.

Man, you are DECIDEDLY unpleasant.

Man, you are DECIDEDLY unpleasant.

Kind of reminds me of a poster that was shown the door a little while back.

Man, you are DECIDEDLY unpleasant.

That is a personal attack. I'm sure the moderator will rectify this accordingly. Wait, he agrees with you on vaccines so nevermind, hate on.

I watched Nova on PBS yesterday. It was about Vaccines and the anti-vaccine crowd.

The show opened showing a 8 week old baby who came down with Whooping Cough just days before he would have received his first DTAP shot. Watching him coughing and struggling to breathe was heartbreaking.

They interviewed a pediatrician in OKC, who specialized in the treatment of adolescents, about the HPV vaccine and showed her talking to a woman who was afraid if she gave the HPV vaccine to her daughter it would encourage her to be promiscuous. (smh) Then, they interviewed another OKC woman who's daughter died at age 37 from cervical cancer.

I try to be respectful of other people's point of view, but these anti-vaccine folks baffle me. And the woman who is willing to put her daughter at risk for cervical cancer? Lady, you your priorities all messed up!

What's nice about PBS on Saturday afternoons is they repeat the good programing from the previous week. I also watch the show about vaccines. Even at my age I remember kids that had to wear braces for polio.

Heck, I don't even really have a dog in the fight. I'm just remarking on your short history of really abusive posting. But nice play preemptively bringing the mods' objectivity into question right out of the gate. That one is straight out of the Troll Handbook.

Nurse betts with her scare tactics...

No, that would be Dr. "betts." Jill is a pediatrician.

The tea party anti science, anti facts, anti government everything is about to boomerang big time. Let people see their kids dying because of some political ignorance and you will see people flee their cause quickly. Maybe someday they might understand the issues of global warming too.

Yeah! You tell them!

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Heck, I don't even really have a dog in the fight. I'm just remarking on your short history of really abusive posting. But nice play preemptively bringing the mods' objectivity into question right out of the gate. That one is straight out of the Troll Handbook.

So, you have a troll handbook, huh? Never seen one. Just because I disagree with you doesn't make me a troll. I'm against bad thought, not people. Have a nice day.

No, that would be Dr. "betts." Jill is a pediatrician.

Then she must be right. I stand corrected.

If it gets to bad Urbanized, try some of this:

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alright... the user was obviously a troll. he's been dealt with (not because of his position on vaccination, btw)

let's get back to topic. -M

What's nice about PBS on Saturday afternoons is they repeat the good programing from the previous week. I also watch the show about vaccines. Even at my age I remember kids that had to wear braces for polio.

My dad had to wear braces for his Polio but did get better so he didn't have to wear them his adult life, he did have a decent limp most of his life.

But Jenny McCarthy said vaccines are bad and she's smarter than all of you put together. I'm so enlightened by all the super duper points you made, though: Nurse betts with her scare tactics (just easier to shock the parents into submission, eh? betts.), apocryphal stories of polio (MY father had polio too and I DIDN'T get immunized and I DIDN'T get it, so that's just luck, huh?), the obvious lack of empathy for society in general (Take your shots you selfish people hater! ONE OF US, ONE OF US, ONE OF US!) and please quote more stats, THAT will change minds (28 dead humans is insignificant to you, nice.) And how does someone inject a seatbelt into their body exactly? (Oh, I see, it's just a forced analogy.) I'll rush right out on that salient bit of insight to get those shots! Better grab my helmet, don't want to catch a cold.

Yes, you were lucky you didn't get polio. Pre-vaccine, many people weren't so lucky. And I'm not a nurse, I'm a pediatrician who has cared for hundreds of kids with meningitis, seen babies die of whooping cough, seen people develop chronic liver disease from hepatitis. In 2012 there were 20 deaths from pertussis. Had more children been unimmunized, those meningitis. Prior to vaccination, the most common type of meningitis occurred in > 1:1000 children the ages of 0 and 5. Many of those children list their hearing, developed mental retardation or died. In communities with high vaccination rates that risk falls to 1:50,000. Even the children of anti-vax goofballs benefit from herd immunity. Please stop trolling on subjects in which you are inadequately educated.