View Full Version : Holiday Inn Norman loses its flag, now "Hotel Norman"



pure
02-18-2014, 01:40 PM
Looks like the Holiday Inn is going the way of the NW OKC Marriott and lost its flag. This is a Premier Hospitality hotel and they happen to also own the Hilton Garden Inn in town and the new Holiday Inn Express next to Embassy (among a bunch of other hotels in Oklahoma). I know the hotel has been in rough shape, needs a new roof and updates bad, but it's too bad to lose the Holiday Inn brand

Plutonic Panda
02-18-2014, 01:42 PM
How do you loose a Holiday Inn flag? lol

SoonerDave
02-18-2014, 02:27 PM
How do you loose a Holiday Inn flag? lol

You beat me to it. Kinda like saying a neighborhood is "Not upscale enough for a WalMart"

venture
02-18-2014, 04:41 PM
If we were playing SimNorman... I would bulldoze that entire section there. The road setup is stupid as it is, but the movie theater is just not any good and the Holiday Inn isn't what use to be. I stayed there one time several years ago when I moving and it was really nice. Sad owners just give up.

I wonder if the new Holiday Inn Express in UNP had any play in this to drop the flag. Looking at the other brands the ownership group deals with...there aren't any that are missing from the Norman market except Springhill Suites - which I can't see being possible. That would take a ton of money to redo.

ljbab728
02-18-2014, 10:01 PM
I could be wrong because it's been quite a few years since it was built, but I seem to remember that it wasn't a Holiday Inn to start with.

MWCGuy
02-19-2014, 02:48 AM
I think it was originally a Marriott. I can help but thank of Hotel Norman Bates.

venture
02-19-2014, 08:42 AM
I was thinking Ramada for some reason.

Jeepnokc
02-19-2014, 09:40 AM
I was thinking Ramada for some reason.

I worked there around 1990 and was a Marriott then. Not sure before that though.

venture
02-19-2014, 09:55 AM
I worked there around 1990 and was a Marriott then. Not sure before that though.

My brain doesn't work well in the morning, so I'm not basing it on anything factual. LOL

Would be nice to get a Marriott here, even though yes we have the largest hotel (and a Marriott at that) in the state...but the NCEP isn't exactly open for the public. :)

kevinpate
02-19-2014, 10:54 AM
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Would be nice to get a Marriott here, even though yes we have the largest hotel (and a Marriott at that) in the state...but the NCEP isn't exactly open for the public. :)

I think the NCEP is open to all these days. Reading their website, they seem to suggest it is Hotel Near Oklahoma City - NCED Conference Center & Hotel (http://cc.nced.com/) including their specials page at Oklahoma Vacation Packages for an Extra-Special Stay (http://cc.nced.com/special-pkg/specials.aspx)

kevinpate
02-19-2014, 10:59 AM
I worked there around 1990 and was a Marriott then. Not sure before that though.

Didn't remember that. I was thinking the one on 35 had always flown the Holiday Inn flag. But I'll yield to jeepokc on this one. I only ever went to their bar to eat boiled shrimp on Fridays with a lovely friend. She loved shrimp, as did I. Neither of our spouses cared much for boiled shrimp. So we had our shrimp nights for a spell.

venture
02-19-2014, 11:54 AM
I think the NCEP is open to all these days. Reading their website, they seem to suggest it is Hotel Near Oklahoma City - NCED Conference Center & Hotel (http://cc.nced.com/) including their specials page at Oklahoma Vacation Packages for an Extra-Special Stay (http://cc.nced.com/special-pkg/specials.aspx)

Well how about that.

Jeepnokc
02-19-2014, 12:09 PM
Didn't remember that. I was thinking the one on 35 had always flown the Holiday Inn flag. But I'll yield to jeepokc on this one. I only ever went to their bar to eat boiled shrimp on Fridays with a lovely friend. She loved shrimp, as did I. Neither of our spouses cared much for boiled shrimp. So we had our shrimp nights for a spell.

I may have the wrong hotel in mind. I am speaking of the approx. 8 story tall hotel just south of Robinson on the west side of I 35. Would be north of Big Red Auto

kevinpate
02-19-2014, 12:27 PM
I may have the wrong hotel in mind. I am speaking of the approx. 8 story tall hotel just south of Robinson on the west side of I 35. Would be north of Big Red Auto

We're talking the same property. I just thought it had always been an HI property. But as I sit here mulling it over, there was an HI property on W Main at I-35 when I came to town in 86. That one has been a Super 8 for a long, long freaking time. So looking back, it does seem unlikely, even odd, that 80's era Norman would have had a conference capable HI at W Main at I-35 and a larger conference capable HI a mere mile up the interstate.

pure
02-19-2014, 01:19 PM
I think the NCEP is open to all these days. Reading their website, they seem to suggest it is Hotel Near Oklahoma City - NCED Conference Center & Hotel (http://cc.nced.com/) including their specials page at Oklahoma Vacation Packages for an Extra-Special Stay (http://cc.nced.com/special-pkg/specials.aspx)


This is where I work. It's owned by the USPS and they have contracted Marriott to run the hotel for them and it is a Marriott just like most others minus a few exceptions. (You can even use and earn your Marriott rewards points here). Because the USPS owns it, we're not allowed to advertise ourselves as a Marriott but everyone who works on the hotel side are 100% Marriott employees. A lot of employees have transferred from Renaissance, Gaylord, and other Marriott's all over the country. The big thing though is that it is indeed open to the public, in fact, on OU Football weekends, every one of our 964 rooms is sold out.

On this note, not everyone who works here are Marriott employees, the NCED also comprises of employees from OU, Xerox, and Trax International. Hitachi is also present here with them renting out some office space.

ljbab728
02-19-2014, 10:03 PM
I think it was originally a Marriott. I can help but thank of Hotel Norman Bates.

Yes, I'm very sure you're correct. I remember thinking that going to a Holiday Inn was a downgrade at the time it changed.

kevinpate
02-20-2014, 05:00 PM
Thanks pure. I wasn't real sure if USPS was still out there or at what level. I've only been on the property a couple of times .. a meeting here and there, and conducting a bit of business a few years back.

macfoucin
11-16-2016, 10:52 AM
http://m.hospitalitynet.org/news/4076438.html
Interesting...

traxx
11-17-2016, 09:35 AM
Link doesn't work for me.

macfoucin
11-17-2016, 10:39 AM
http://www.hospitalitynet.org/news/4076438.html
Try this. Basically the article says hotel will be converted to a Delta by Marriott...one of the first Delta locations in the US.

kevinpate
11-17-2016, 11:05 AM
from the article:


Atlanta, GA -- Atlanta-based Hotel Equities (http://www.hotelequities.com/) (HE) announced a management contract to operate the Delta Norman by Marriott in Norman, Oklahoma. The 150-room former Norman Hotel will convert to the Delta by Marriott brand as one of the first Delta hotels in the US. It is located at 1000 N. Interstate Drive, only a few minutes from the University of Oklahoma campus.
Marriott announced its acquisition of the Delta Hotels and Resorts brand at the New York University International Hospitality Industry Conference in June of 2015. The Delta brand, formerly located exclusively in Canada, encompasses a rich Canadian history. The hotel in Norman, OK will be the first of the brand located west of the Mississippi. The conversion of the former Norman Hotel is expected to be completed by the end of the first quarter 2017. Premier Hospitality Management, Inc. (PHMI) is the owner of the property.
"Bringing one of the first Delta brand hotels in the nation to Norman and the University of Oklahoma, my alma mater, is exciting both personally and for our organization," said Raj Patel, President and CEO of PHMI. "Our strategic partnership with Hotel Equities has helped us secure an agreement with Marriott International to convert one of the city's largest hotels into a regional icon with this exciting new brand. It will be a pacesetter for the area."

macfoucin
11-17-2016, 11:18 AM
Thanks Kevin! Working from my phone can be challenging at times :)

s00nr1
11-21-2016, 10:50 PM
from the article:
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This is certainly great news for that property.

s00nr1
09-26-2017, 01:29 PM
Any idea what happened to this being turned into a Delta by Marriott? If I remember correctly, it was supposed to be renovated and re-flagged by 1Q of 2017, but the place looks deserted and has for quite some time.

DowntownMan
09-26-2017, 01:41 PM
Any idea what happened to this being turned into a Delta by Marriott? If I remember correctly, it was supposed to be renovated and re-flagged by 1Q of 2017.

Last time I drove by the property looked abondoned

Robert_M
09-28-2017, 12:02 PM
I drove by about a week ago and there was about 20 cars in the parking lot during the day but they were gone by the evening. There is a white pickup that has been in the parking lot for months and hasn't moved.

Definitely don't see signs they are renting out any rooms or making any effort to remodel from the outside.

s00nr1
11-20-2017, 02:36 PM
Noticed yesterday two large construction dumpsters have now been placed on the north side of the building and several trucks were present in the parking lot. Perhaps this project is about to begin.

ChargerAg
11-20-2017, 03:00 PM
I drove by there the other night. Place is creepy at night. noticed the back wall of the hotel had fallen off on the first story.

ChargerAg
08-06-2018, 10:20 AM
I can't find the below permit that is referenced. Anybody else able to find it?

http://www.normantranscript.com/news/business/around-town-remembering-norman-s-past/article_3ed22a40-138a-5408-9af8-ebb03d23d9e3.html

West Norman
A building permit was recently issued for a remodel of the Delta Norman by Marriott, 1000 Interstate Dr. This is the former Norman Hotel.

Robert_M
05-29-2019, 07:17 AM
Scaffolding has been put in along the I-35 facing section of the building and three containers have been set on the site. It appears they may be beginning to start working on this.

macfoucin
07-22-2020, 09:52 AM
This place is looking rough! No work appears to be happening.

mattbrafford
07-23-2020, 07:01 AM
I believe there is some structural damage the new owners discovered when they were remodeling. The southeast corner looks to have structure damage at the entrance and looks to be collapsing. They might be in a lawsuit with the former owners for not disclosing this damage in the sale. If you drive on the frontage road and look at the support column on the southeast corner you can see the damage.

DowntownMan
05-10-2021, 07:07 AM
Driving thru Norman this weekend and this property looks horrible. Are they actively working on repairing this building or is is just falling apart? Itís been empty for years now. I looks just abandoned and falling apart

Video Expert
05-10-2021, 03:39 PM
Driving thru Norman this weekend and this property looks horrible. Are they actively working on repairing this building or is is just falling apart? It’s been empty for years now. I looks just abandoned and falling apart

Great question. Property is still owned by Norman Hospitality, LLC since 1997. At one time back in the late 80s/early 90s, this was arguably the top hotel in Norman. But they didn't keep the place updated as newer and nicer options came to Norman (Embassy and others). They lost their Holiday Inn Flag in 2014, and they closed for good not long after that.

Around two years ago, they had rolling dumpsters dropped off and it look like a full scale remodel was underway. They started removing the old EFIS that was damaged by the May 2015 EF1 tornado, erected scaffolding on the outside, and they began ripping out all of the interiors. Then after about three/four months or so of progress, everybody packed up and left. Only speculating, but perhaps contractors weren't getting paid or something? Maybe they found mold or asbestos? Severe structural issues? I'm not sure who knows at this point.

You'd think the City of Norman would have made these people do something with this place by now as it's been over 4 years that this facility has sat completely abandoned, in major disrepair, and in plain view to everyone right off of the Interstate. Not only is it an eyesore, but a total embarrassment that doesn't seem to get any attention by city leaders.

Scott5114
05-10-2021, 04:57 PM
^ What sort of options would the city have to compel action in a case such as this? Condemn the property and take it under eminent domain?

DowntownMan
05-10-2021, 05:20 PM
^ What sort of options would the city have to compel action in a case such as this? Condemn the property and take it under eminent domain?

I think they can issue code violations and fines. If those go untouched/not remedied the city can take action and that could be taking over property and removing building if it is condemned. Currrently it looks like it would make sense to tear down honestly.

I know cities do this with much smaller properties all the time. I think they then own the land and try to sell off.
Iím sure there is a strict process and time frame such must go thru

Video Expert
05-11-2021, 12:42 PM
I think they can issue code violations and fines. If those go untouched/not remedied the city can take action and that could be taking over property and removing building if it is condemned. Currrently it looks like it would make sense to tear down honestly.

I know cities do this with much smaller properties all the time. I think they then own the land and try to sell off.
I’m sure there is a strict process and time frame such must go thru

I don't know what remedies the City of Norman has at their disposal, but it appears they aren't using any of them. Parking Enforcement is notorious for writing tickets and placing them on cars parked in the street for more than 24 hours, yet a six story hotel that sits on one of the busiest Interstates in the region can sit abandoned and deteriorate in front of everyone's eyes for nearly 5 years and they do nothing about it? Mayor Clark has been seen at Campus Corner on several occasions over the last year merely to find out who is and who isn't following her and the City Council's mask mandate. With that much time on her hands, one would think she'd have done something about this already.

Video Expert
05-11-2021, 12:44 PM
I think they can issue code violations and fines. If those go untouched/not remedied the city can take action and that could be taking over property and removing building if it is condemned. Currrently it looks like it would make sense to tear down honestly.

I know cities do this with much smaller properties all the time. I think they then own the land and try to sell off.
I’m sure there is a strict process and time frame such must go thru

I don't know what remedies the City of Norman has at their disposal, but it appears they haven't been using any of them successfully. In Norman residential areas, Parking Enforcement is notorious for writing tickets and placing them on cars parked in the street for more than 24 hours, yet a six story hotel that sits on one of the busiest Interstates in the region can sit abandoned and deteriorate in front of everyone's eyes for nearly 5 years and they do nothing about it?

Mayor Clark has been seen at Campus Corner on several occasions over the last year merely to find out who is and who isn't following her and the City Council's mask mandate. With that much time on her hands, one would think she'd have done something about this already.

mugofbeer
05-11-2021, 08:15 PM
I saw it while staying in Norman a few days ago. It's an eyesore that's really a bad look for Norman. It's location is prime for a hotel, even if torn down and rebuilt. At this point the building looks relatively worthless.

Midtowner
05-12-2021, 11:57 AM
IAt this point the building looks relatively worthless.

These days, it'd probably be worth more as a pile of used bricks and fixtures for sale.

Jersey Boss
05-12-2021, 12:31 PM
I saw it while staying in Norman a few days ago. It's an eyesore that's really a bad look for Norman. It's location is prime for a hotel, even if torn down and rebuilt. At this point the building looks relatively worthless.

Agree 100%.

FighttheGoodFight
05-12-2021, 12:39 PM
I asked our city council about this. I guess the fence went up because it has structural issues (you can see it leaning a bit). They said they aren't allowed to fine the owners any after HB2620 got passed a while ago that doesn't allow cities to fine abandoned properties if they are secure.

So they have a permit open for work. They sure don't look like they are working on it at all. Thing needs to be torn down.

Video Expert
05-12-2021, 01:23 PM
I asked our city council about this. I guess the fence went up because it has structural issues (you can see it leaning a bit). They said they aren't allowed to fine the owners any after HB2620 got passed a while ago that doesn't allow cities to fine abandoned properties if they are secure.

So they have a permit open for work. They sure don't look like they are working on it at all. Thing needs to be torn down.

Precisely. I feel bad for the owner but at this point, you have to make a decision (or be forced to by the City) to either tear down and rebuild or sell to someone else who will. Based on the size and the location, the property value itself will at least offset some of their losses. But we can't just continue to allow a structurally unsound abandoned six story building surrounded by a fence to sit there crumbling for the foreseeable future.

Dob Hooligan
05-12-2021, 06:01 PM
Precisely. I feel bad for the owner but at this point, you have to make a decision (or be forced to by the City) to either tear down and rebuild or sell to someone else who will. Based on the size and the location, the property value itself will at least offset some of their losses. But we can't just continue to allow a structurally unsound abandoned six story building surrounded by a fence to sit there crumbling for the foreseeable future.

From what I am reading here the city is doing all it is legally allowed to do.

This is not a smart aleck question, but do you have direct knowledge of what the city is allowed to do that is not currently being done?

dford2
05-13-2021, 02:48 AM
From what I am reading here the city is doing all it is legally allowed to do.

This is not a smart aleck question, but do you have direct knowledge of what the city is allowed to do that is not currently being done?

The City has the authority to start the condemnation procedure!

Dob Hooligan
05-13-2021, 11:54 AM
The City has the authority to start the condemnation procedure!

I read comment #42 to suggest the city does not have that authority because state law has been changed.

DowntownMan
05-13-2021, 12:31 PM
Someone who lives in norman should tweet the mayor and ask. She does spend a lot of time on Twitter so maybe we could get a response

Video Expert
05-14-2021, 04:48 PM
From what I am reading here the city is doing all it is legally allowed to do.

This is not a smart aleck question, but do you have direct knowledge of what the city is allowed to do that is not currently being done?

Appreciate that. I do not know exactly the full extent of what they can do from a legal perspective to be totally honest, but I think it is something that they should be focusing more of their efforts on publically in order to pressure the owner to resolve as soon as possible.

Take their Mask Mandate for example. They don't have the authority to actually enforce it, but they have spent a lot of time and effort through social media and other outlets to publicize it and to encourage compliance. I may be mistaken, but I have not seen or heard any public remarks from Mayor Clark or anyone on the Council about this issue. If they have, it certainly hasn't made headlines.

Jeremy Martin
05-16-2021, 10:23 AM
Let me start this post by saying I am not anti mask/anti vax, but I feel the reason that Mayor Clark and the City Counsel are not publicly talking about this is because this isn't as polarizing as a mask mandate or closing down businesses for safety. They can exert their will on 10's of thousands of people, why waste the time on just one building? I am not at all versed on what the city can or can't do legally so I am not really sure what the options are. I do feel that if they thought it was an issue they would be talking about it publicly just to let everyone know that they are aware of the problem and working on a solution.