It seems like the pressure is mounting and every OSU person is done w Travis Ford, but he is still kept around by his massive $13M buyout. Now OSU boosters have to decide which is costlier - firing Ford or not firing Ford. Look at the ugly shambles of OSU basketball. This is a program that was once so powerful that nobody decent would play us in Stillwater and tickets were still so hard to get that they only sold half season tickets which still required a big donation.

I have been screaming that Mike Holder needs to go for years. He doesn't get along well with successful coaches like Gundy, who was forced to get an agent one year and then almost couldn't keep working for Holder. Coach Holder isn't well liked by anyone who knows him personally and is also just plain weird. The only reason he has his job is bc he was besties w Boone. Unfortunately Travis Ford can't even be fully responsible for the shambles he created bc at the end of the day we have a contract negotiated by Holder.

Ford literally made it to back-to-back tourneys (bare minimum expectation) w 5'7" Sean Sutton players (that he was probably fired for recruiting ironically) and Holder was so elated he have him a raise worth more than Gundy's salary at the time and signed him to TEN years with an insanely iron clad buyout. Holder went all in on Ford. And now OSU's once-premier program is an embarrassing shambles.

Talk all you want in the other thread about how embarrassed/sorry we feel for Marcus Smart and mad we are at Travis Ford but the culpable party is going to get off the hook. Like always. Because he's Boone's buddy.

Ford does need to be replaced even with out the recent situations taken into account. He's been a poor leader from the start.

It seems like the pressure is mounting and every OSU person is done w Travis Ford, but he is still kept around by his massive $13M buyout. Now OSU boosters have to decide which is costlier - firing Ford or not firing Ford. Look at the ugly shambles of OSU basketball. This is a program that was once so powerful that nobody decent would play us in Stillwater and tickets were still so hard to get that they only sold half season tickets which still required a big donation.

I have been screaming that Mike Holder needs to go for years. He doesn't get along well with successful coaches like Gundy, who was forced to get an agent one year and then almost couldn't keep working for Holder. Coach Holder isn't well liked by anyone who knows him personally and is also just plain weird. The only reason he has his job is bc he was besties w Boone. Unfortunately Travis Ford can't even be fully responsible for the shambles he created bc at the end of the day we have a contract negotiated by Holder.

Ford literally made it to back-to-back tourneys (bare minimum expectation) w 5'7" Sean Sutton players (that he was probably fired for recruiting ironically) and Holder was so elated he have him a raise worth more than Gundy's salary at the time and signed him to TEN years with an insanely iron clad buyout. Holder went all in on Ford. And now OSU's once-premier program is an embarrassing shambles.

Talk all you want in the other thread about how embarrassed/sorry we feel for Marcus Smart and mad we are at Travis Ford but the culpable party is going to get off the hook. Like always. Because he's Boone's buddy.

Not sure if Burns has the cojones to eat Ford's buyout. It will take some alumni/supporters (not Boone obviously) to step in and help Holder "see the light" and fire Ford.

If you really want to fix the situation at OSU firing people above Holder will be totally necessary.
He's a real nice guy but right now you have a T. Boone Pickens yes man in charge of OSU.


Regardless of record low OSU graduation rates will supposedly keep the pokes out of the NCAA tournament next season.
At some point OSU's football team may start missing bowl games if they don't get their graduation rates up soon.

Using the Sports Animal as a vehicle to advocate firing coaches is not going to get you anywhere; it will definitely make someone think twice about going to your program.

WWLS 98.1's Jim Traber has been running his mouth about firing OSU's Coach Ford. He tried the same thing with Sunny Golloway (OU's baseball coach). He constantly goes after people he think won't stand up to him. Remember when he had an issue about Nick Collison living in Seattle--like that was any of his business. Jenni Carlson (Oklahoman) has been on his hate list for years.

In previous years it was John Blake (OU head football coach) or Jeff Capel (OU head basketball coach).

This is why universities & colleges have their own board of regents to deal with these personnel matters and not air this out in public. It's called respecting the privacy of your employees.

Now Jim Traber is on Marcus Smart's case; notice that if he can't get his guests or co-hosts to agree he attacks them personally.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DY2HargZ7g

Jim Traber loses his cool.

Using the Sports Animal as a vehicle to advocate firing coaches is not going to get you anywhere; it will definitely make someone think twice about going to your program.

WWLS 98.1's Jim Traber has been running his mouth about firing OSU's Coach Ford. He tried the same thing with Sunny Golloway (OU's baseball coach). He constantly goes after people he think won't stand up to him. Remember when he had an issue about Nick Collison living in Seattle--like that was any of his business. Jenni Carlson (Oklahoman) has been on his hate list for years.

In previous years it was John Blake (OU head football coach) or Jeff Capel (OU head basketball coach).

This is why universities & colleges have their own board of regents to deal with these personnel matters and not air this out in public. It's called respecting the privacy of your employees.

Now Jim Traber is on Marcus Smart's case; notice that if he can't get his guests or co-hosts to agree he attacks them personally.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DY2HargZ7g

Jim Traber loses his cool.

Uh..ok? This isn't the Animal.. And I graduated from OSU and pay alumni dues.

Using the Sports Animal as a vehicle to advocate firing coaches is not going to get you anywhere; it will definitely make someone think twice about going to your program.

WWLS 98.1's Jim Traber has been running his mouth about firing OSU's Coach Ford. He tried the same thing with Sunny Golloway (OU's baseball coach). He constantly goes after people he think won't stand up to him. Remember when he had an issue about Nick Collison living in Seattle--like that was any of his business. Jenni Carlson (Oklahoman) has been on his hate list for years.

In previous years it was John Blake (OU head football coach) or Jeff Capel (OU head basketball coach).

This is why universities & colleges have their own board of regents to deal with these personnel matters and not air this out in public. It's called respecting the privacy of your employees.

Now Jim Traber is on Marcus Smart's case; notice that if he can't get his guests or co-hosts to agree he attacks them personally.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DY2HargZ7g

Jim Traber loses his cool.

Although you gotta admit Traber could run pretty good for a fat man.

Osu can't afford to fire ford. Osu sports lost 6 mil last year. Also when you give the university away to 1 man. He makes the choices and holder and ford are his guys.

Osu can't afford to fire ford. Osu sports lost 6 mil last year. Also when you give the university away to 1 man. He makes the choices and holder and ford are his guys.

I had not see that OSU lost 6 million dollars but I do know that OSU revenue declined by over 10 million dollars last year....and was 76.6 million.

By comparsion OU revenue rose by over 17 million at 123.8 million
That's about 47 million dollars more than OSU.

Click to read all about it
The College Football Arms Race: Examining Athletic Department Revenues | The Key Play (http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2014/january/20/college-football-arms-race-examining-athletic-department-revenues)

I had not see that OSU lost 6 million dollars but I do know that OSU revenue declined by over 10 million dollars last year....and was 76.6 million.

By comparsion OU revenue rose by over 17 million at 123.8 million
That's about 47 million dollars more than OSU.

Click to read all about it
The College Football Arms Race: Examining Athletic Department Revenues | The Key Play (http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2014/january/20/college-football-arms-race-examining-athletic-department-revenues)

Just curious, do u know how much money OU athletics receives from the state? and how much osu athletics receives?

Just curious, do u know how much money OU athletics receives from the state? and how much osu athletics receives?

None is listed as a line item of revenue sources in OU's annual report, which lists the major sources of at least 1% of its $84,200,000 in revenue. It looks like they broke out the donations to 17%, so an estimate for how much was not collected by the state due to the tax code could be done.

I posted this in the other thread, but this article nails why Travis Ford is failing as a coach and leader: Oklahoma State coach Travis Ford could have helped Marcus Smart - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10427500/oklahoma-state-coach-travis-ford-helped-marcus-smart)

Just curious, do u know how much money OU athletics receives from the state? and how much osu athletics receives?

I reciting this from memory from about a year ago so it might not be exactly correct but I believe it's reasonably accurate.

Currently the state of OK appropriates about 8 million dollars to each university to be used for athletics. For osu this represents over 10% of poke revenue.... OU takes this same money and gives it to the academic side of the university, I believe it currently goes to the OU library.... This has gone on for many decades and by diverting this money for many decades it has helped OU become a better university.

Although it has been stopped, for many decades OU athletics also sent any surplus money they had at the end of the year to its academics. This was common in the part of the 40's, 50's, 60' and part of the 70's and in total it amounted to millions of dollars when millions really were a lot of money.


OU varsity athletics has never taken state tax money like OSU still does...
OU athletics has funded some of the student intramural sports for normal students.

Since all OK tax payers have a voice in how their tax money used I feel they can complain when OSU people say that OSU has arrived....
osu hasn't arrived until they reach self sufficiency levels much less sending money to the subsidize academics. OU gives the states tax payers a much better value than OSU.

The state of OK should end the subsidization of osu athletics IMO.

I reciting this from memory from about a year ago so it might not be exactly correct but I believe it's reasonably accurate.

Currently the state of OK appropriates about 8 million dollars to each university to be used for athletics. For osu this represents over 10% of poke revenue.... OU takes this same money and gives it to the academic side of the university, I believe it currently goes to the OU library.... This has gone on for many decades and by diverting this money for many decades it has helped OU become a better university.

Although it has been stopped, for many decades OU athletics also sent any surplus money they had at the end of the year to its academics. This was common in the part of the 40's, 50's, 60' and part of the 70's and in total it amounted to millions of dollars when millions really were a lot of money.


OU varsity athletics has never taken state tax money like OSU still does...
OU athletics has funded some of the student intramural sports for normal students.

Since all OK tax payers have a voice in how their tax money used I feel they can complain when OSU people say that OSU has arrived....
osu hasn't arrived until they reach self sufficiency levels much less sending money to the subsidize academics. OU gives the states tax payers a much better value than OSU.

The state of OK should end the subsidization of osu athletics IMO.

ou48A:

While we are side tracked and :ot:

You have really exposed OSU's deficiencies as an institution in comparison to OU. We need the competition between two large strong state schools and if helping to subsidize OSU athletics which hasn't yet reached the level of efficiency--then so be it. Having taken graduate courses at OU and institutes at Oklahoma State; we have two good universities of higher learning about which we should be proud. It's not all about athletics and the drama behind winning.

Oklahoma State will require some investments from our state to advance its standings. The more competitive both of our two largest institutions become, the better moving forward into the future for Tulsa, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State & Central Oklahoma.

Universities in the State of Oklahoma's national rankings according to one source: #86 Tulsa and #101 Oklahoma. President David L. Boren (Rhodes Scholar) has progressed OU's academics during his tenure. Our goal is to crack the top 100s. OSU's President Burns Hargis is a banker by profession and he was brought in to get a handle on the finances at OSU; they are making progress under his leadership.

National University Rankings | Top National Universities | US News Best Colleges (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities)

Boone Pickens is a shining example of an alum who gives back to the school credited with helping in his individual prosperity. It's good for OU-OSU to compete in sports and more importantly on the academic side. We're not the state's top institution according to the national rankings. University of Tulsa #86 wears that crown.

Remember Dr. George L. Cross detailed why the university needed the money. When he finished, one ... Dr. Cross replied, ''We want to build a university our football team can be proud of.'' ''It was a cynical remark ... University of Oklahoma has progress since the days of that cynical remark.


OU needs to become more competitive toward those top 100 shining stars and especially those south of the Red River like #18 Rice, #52 Texas, #69 Texas A & M, #75 Baylor and #82 Texas Christian.

Weird, I thought this was about whether or not Ford should be fired. Which the answer to that question is yes.

They will all be removed in-time. Smart / Ford / Holder.

To continue off topic... :ot:

These rankings are both circular and irresponsive of changes at universities. They rely heavily on people's opinions, many of whom are not really fit to judge the "academic quality" of universities as a whole. The primary purpose of these rankings are to sell magazines. Worrying about whether OU is #103 or #72 on this list is a waste of time and really distracts from the most important work going on at universities. In reality, it's more important that students find a good program that fits their specific needs. This sometimes means choosing a university that is ranked low or not at all. Situated context is more important than generally arbitrary rankings.

We far too often site random rankings without looking at the subjective methodologies behind them and we therefore deem the rankings 'objective.' I wish every ranking system had to first explain HOW they came up with the rankings. Then we wouldn't put so much weight into them. Here's their methodology: Best Colleges Ranking Criteria and Weights - US News (http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2013/09/09/best-colleges-ranking-criteria-and-weights)

Laramie,
#1 when u mentioned schools south of the red river you left off SMU which is#60 on your list.

you also failed to mention that OSU came in at #142.

when a liberal says the word "investments" that's just code for tax dollars.
OSU wants and gladly accepts Oklahoma tax dollars but refuses to sell tickets to every Oklahoman. This is just not right.

Lots of state's have their 2 higher education schools in different conferences. Look at Iowa, south Carolina, florida, Colorado.

The two schools don't really compete, look at football the last 10 years, look at the series record in basketball between the two schools.

I have no problem with tax dollars going to help osu academically just no need for more "investments" going to the athletic program.

ou48A:

While we are side tracked and :ot:

You have really exposed OSU's deficiencies as an institution in comparison to OU. We need the competition between two large strong state schools and if helping to subsidize OSU athletics which hasn't yet reached the level of efficiency--then so be it. Having taken graduate courses at OU and institutes at Oklahoma State; we have two good universities of higher learning about which we should be proud. It's not all about athletics and the drama behind winning.

Oklahoma State will require some investments from our state to advance its standings. The more competitive both of our two largest institutions become, the better moving forward into the future for Tulsa, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State & Central Oklahoma.

Universities in the State of Oklahoma's national rankings according to one source: #86 Tulsa and #101 Oklahoma. President David L. Boren (Rhodes Scholar) has progressed OU's academics during his tenure. Our goal is to crack the top 100s. OSU's President Burns Hargis is a banker by profession and he was brought in to get a handle on the finances at OSU; they are making progress under his leadership.

National University Rankings | Top National Universities | US News Best Colleges (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities)

Boone Pickens is a shining example of an alum who gives back to the school credited with helping in his individual prosperity. It's good for OU-OSU to compete in sports and more importantly on the academic side. We're not the state's top institution according to the national rankings. University of Tulsa #86 wears that crown.

Remember Dr. George L. Cross detailed why the university needed the money. When he finished, one ... Dr. Cross replied, ''We want to build a university our football team can be proud of.'' ''It was a cynical remark ... University of Oklahoma has progress since the days of that cynical remark.


OU needs to become more competitive toward those top 100 shining stars and especially those south of the Red River like #18 Rice, #52 Texas, #69 Texas A & M, #75 Baylor and #82 Texas Christian.
I generally agree with you.... What get's lost in all this is that a I really do want a strong academic OSU.
It sure looks like the pokes have sold out to win at all cost in sports.
But regardless state tax payers, many who could care less about sports, should not be funding osu athletic's.

Yes, OU has lots of work left in all aspects of its university. I would be happy to discuss my views in another thread on how OU can become better university.

OSU wants and gladly accepts Oklahoma tax dollars but refuses to sell tickets to every Oklahoman. This is just not right.


Not only that, for several years osu will not sell tickets at face value when there are still thousands of unsold OU- osu tickets.

Laramie,
#1 when u mentioned schools south of the red river you left off SMU which is#60 on your list.

you also failed to mention that OSU came in at #142.

when a liberal says the word "investments" that's just code for tax dollars.
OSU wants and gladly accepts Oklahoma tax dollars but refuses to sell tickets to every Oklahoman. This is just not right.

Lots of state's have their 2 higher education schools in different conferences. Look at Iowa, south Carolina, florida, Colorado.

The two schools don't really compete, look at football the last 10 years, look at the series record in basketball between the two schools.


I have no problem with tax dollars going to help osu academically just no need for more "investments" going to the athletic program.

Thanks OKCretro for acknowledging #60 SMU and #142 Oklahoma State. SMU-OSU deserves credit where it is due.

Oklahoma State University definitely needs some 'as you said' liberal's 'tax dollars' or a conservative's 'government subsidies.' :Smiley173

I had not see that OSU lost 6 million dollars but I do know that OSU revenue declined by over 10 million dollars last year....and was 76.6 million.

By comparsion OU revenue rose by over 17 million at 123.8 million
That's about 47 million dollars more than OSU.

Click to read all about it
The College Football Arms Race: Examining Athletic Department Revenues | The Key Play (http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2014/january/20/college-football-arms-race-examining-athletic-department-revenues)

Yes, your academic dept is on the rise now, and ours is falling. That had financial ramifications. Shocking I know.

Weird, I thought this was about whether or not Ford should be fired. Which the answer to that question is yes.

BoulderSooner and ou48a have weird specific obsessions and really should just be blocked. It's hilarious that the OU fans are saying "I generally agree with you but.." It's like watching Fox and Friends in the AM. And no we're debating whether to spend on higher ed?? Which OU gets an undue chunk of.. Which is one reason OSU's academic ranking has fallen 25 spots recently, though the main reason (superficial) is admissions.

Spartan,

Fact- OSU athletics have been a complete embarrassment to the state of the Oklahoma in the year. You cannot argue this. There is no debate

Spartan,

Fact- OSU athletics have been a complete embarrassment to the state of the Oklahoma in the year. You cannot argue this. There is no debate

I'm embarrassed bc our high standards have been seriously compromised, but I am having difficulty seeing how this affects you.

I'm embarrassed bc our high standards have been seriously compromised, but I am having difficulty seeing how this affects you.Because if you’re a tax payer in Oklahoma some of it is your tax dollars being used in the embarrassment.


Those actions at osu can be held accountable by the states tax payers.;)

Yes, your academic dept is on the rise now, and ours is falling. That had financial ramifications. Shocking I know.That^ is about sports.

But at least the OSU student news paper gets it and moved on to the next poke sport on the rise. LOL

https://twitter.com/ocollysports

O'Colly Sports ‏@ocollysports 15h
Done with #OKState basketball? Josh Holliday has OSU baseball on the rise. By @CodyStavenhagen http://www.ocolly.com/sports/article_3c2c52da-9392-11e3-934b-0017a43b2370.html*…

That^ is about sports.

But at least the OSU student news paper gets it and moved on to the next poke sport on the rise. LOL

https://twitter.com/ocollysports

O'Colly Sports ‏@ocollysports 15h
Done with #OKState basketball? Josh Holliday has OSU baseball on the rise. By @CodyStavenhagen http://www.ocolly.com/sports/article_3c2c52da-9392-11e3-934b-0017a43b2370.html*…

great find... looks like the OSU PR firm is on overdrive this week

Osu probably won't be able top make the NCAA basketball tournament next year because of low graduation rates but...
This might be how the pokes eventually run off Gundy?

The Swaim Show ‏@GSwaim · 46m
Hearing from inside that the dismal APR number for #OKState basketball may well be the loophole to the contract buyout, if needed.

I only 'like' the part about the loophole...

Gundy doesn't need to go.

Think the situation in which OSU finds itself is a direct consequence of having a sports benefactor who really, really likes one sport, but may not be so emotionally invested in the others. That is, T. Boone wanted a big-time football program, hired Holder to manage it per his wishes, while letting him manage the "other sports." Downside of that is...Holder has free reign to do just about as he wishes on those "other sports." Lots of folks around college basketball thought OSU was really pushing things to give Ford his 10-year contract back in, what was it, '09? Looking now like that concern was valid. Lots of folks seem to be falling in line with the idea that Ford isn't working, players aren't developing, and the program isn't excelling - to say nothing of how the current season has faltered.

Holder has, from what I've read, offered a somewhat less than endearing modus operandi in dealing with the "rest" of the athletic department - and I have no idea if that's true - but if it is, one has to wonder if a somewhat imperious attitude will serve OSU athletics well over the long term. On the flip side, one has to wonder if T. Boone can be "persuaded" to write a farewell check to Ford - but even if he does, is Pickens willing to let Holder have similar free reign to hire another basketball coach?

Pickens seems to be invested in OSU literally and figuratively, so surely he must be concerned about the recent steps within the athletic department, and more broadly, whether Holder is truly the guy to run those sports - particularly the ones not involving a football.

Osu probably won't be able top make the NCAA basketball tournament next year because of low graduation rates but...
This might be how the pokes eventually run off Gundy?

The Swaim Show ‏@GSwaim · 46m
Hearing from inside that the dismal APR number for #OKState basketball may well be the loophole to the contract buyout, if needed.

Football's apr will be waived bc it's mostly due to nfl early exits or players kicked off. As for bball it's obv that program has continuously neglected to live up to OSU's standards.

I hope responding to you doesn't justify your ridiculous obsession with OSU. Its obv you have some kind of head injury - OSU is an exemplary land grant university, and though it's big enough that it's not all gravy like any other big place, it's excellence doesn't need to be justified to you. It's still one of the best universities in the country for probably 20-30 majors.

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GilaPete - 10:56 a.m.
Berry, Do you think Coach Gundy is working any better with the media after his couple of altercations with DOK?

Berry Tramel 10:58 a.m.I only know of one altercation with the Oklahoman, and that was six years ago.

But Gundy is not working well with any media, except the in-house people.
I don't know why he wants to be at war with the media, but he obviously does and has succeeded.

Does Ford really live in Edmond?

Does Ford really live in Edmond?

That seems like a crazy long commute, at least during the season for his job, most higher tier college coaches are going to be working a lot more hours than most jobs already. I don't remember what it is for basketball but I remember it was estimated the average college football head coach worked more than 100 hours a week during the season.

I thought he lived on Western Rd a few doors down from Gundy?


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GilaPete - 10:56 a.m.
Berry, Do you think Coach Gundy is working any better with the media after his couple of altercations with DOK?

Berry Tramel 10:58 a.m.I only know of one altercation with the Oklahoman, and that was six years ago.

But Gundy is not working well with any media, except the in-house people.
I don't know why he wants to be at war with the media, but he obviously does and has succeeded.

Are you responding to GilaPete or Berry Tramel? Just curious bc it's obviously not anyone in this thread.

It said in the dok that he did, was just wondering

He lives in stillwater. I know his neighbor

Ford should be fired. So should Holder. Also, Boone needs to pony up the dough to cover the buyout. His boy got OSU into this mess with that ridiculous contract (that even Coach K at Duke would covet).

As for higher education funding, this state is going into the toilet with the current leadership. Anyone who values the improvement of our state (and the education of our citizens for economic development and quality of life) needs to read this timely commentary from David Boren:


Wake Up, Oklahoma!

David Boren: Wake up, Oklahoma! - Tulsa World: Opinion (http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/david-boren-wake-up-oklahoma/article_fa4cbad1-cee6-53dc-966b-731d92ab00fc.html?TNNoMobile)

This ^

I love that Boren is outspoken on this. Wish Hargis wasn't so careful.

This ^

I love that Boren is outspoken on this. Wish Hargis wasn't so careful.

It's not about being "careful." It's about being Republican. Hargis is a smart guy but he won't buck Mary -- a proud OSU alum and the current torchbearer for the destruction of our state government and public education system. Honestly, the way things are going in the state, I'm fearful for OKC's future. I'm not convinced our city's economic prosperity can overcome the soul-destroying stupidity of the Fallin Administration / GOP legislative agenda.

Can you imagine a major tech employer surveying our state's budget priorities and deciding to locate a company here? Keating got bitschslapped by Boren when he tried to cut public funding while as governor he was trying to lure a major tech company. Guess what happened? The prospective employer saw the writing on the wall and went elsewhere. They made it clear they were looking for well-educated, qualified employees, and wanted to locate in an environment that put a priority on higher education. They actually said this!

Shrinking the number of college-educated citizens is a total death spiral for economic development.

Bchris should chime in here, but the reason North Carolina's economy exploded was borne from the great universities in the region, and the great talent pool of educated employees (and the research the universities provided).

When GE chose to locate in OKC, they mentioned the access to OU as a major reason. This is not rocket science. Can our governor learn from our successes? I've concluded Oklahoma is just wedded to oil and gas and doesn't prioritize anything else as far as economic development is concerned (and despite its sexy technology patina, the GE research facility is oil and gas-related). If they did, they would run the current leadership out on a rail, or at least demand that they not operate as semi-functioning morons.

How many unconstitutional abortion / anti-birth control bills will we see this session from this group? How many creationist / anti-science bills will we endure? Anti-immigration nonsense? Agenda 21-obsessed paranoia? This should be embarrassing to anyone with a firing synapse.

I don't think David has the stroke he used to, particularly with Mary (I get all my ideas from Heritage Foundation press releases) Fallin. Hargis is a shrinking violet and Boren's cabana boy. He will do nothing.

You're absolutely right, but i'd caution against calling Fallin a proud OSU alum bc she sent her douche son to OU and spends more time at OU-Texas than any OSU games since being elected. She and Jari both used to show up at my fraternity's tailgate and Jari still does, despite not having graduated from OSU herself I think. She just likes it in Stillwater and I find that incredibly endearing.

Also I have always asked myself what Fallin has and will do for OSU. We're talking about a state university that has been completely rebuilt in the last 5 years with private donor money. We always get a smaller appropriation than OU no matter what meds ou48a forgot to take. I agree that Hargis is acting out of deference to Fallin but for what?? There's no benefit, just the wistful notion that an OSU alum can be successful in politics, and lord knows we have enough of those. We should be prouder of our alumni who are academics, scientists, policy analysts, military officers, CEOs, and others who contribute to society at very high levels. Not more damn OSU alumni politicos.

You're absolutely right, but i'd caution against calling Fallin a proud OSU alum bc she sent her douche son to OU

Stay classy, Cleveland.

this thread took a turn for the worse.

Instead of talking about the wonderful job Holder and Ford are doing, a few posters decided to start attacking the governor. This isn't a politics thread and I see in the future this thread being closed

Huh?

These are truths, which refuting, might make one look small minded. As for Price I don't know him but my comment was satire, as I was quoting the locally famous satire kings:

Update: Toga! Toga! Toga! Mary Fallin?s son is having a frat party at the Governor?s Mansion next Friday. | The Lost Ogle (http://www.thelostogle.com/2012/08/02/toga-toga-toga-mary-fallins-son-is-having-a-frat-party-at-the-governors-mansion-next-friday/)

You can take that up with them. But that doesn't look like a proud OSU family to me, which is relevant in discussing an important relationship between OSU and the Fallins. Calling this a turn for the worse is hilarious bc this is a turn from what, ou48a and OKCretro and Laramie going back and forth with made-up tall tales they heard about OSU happenings? Sorry if an OSU discussion would be about actual leadership dynamics and not just OU fans making up crap "I can't remember exactly but I heard that.."

I reciting this from memory from about a year ago so it might not be exactly correct but I believe it's reasonably accurate.

Currently the state of OK appropriates about 8 million dollars to each university to be used for athletics. For osu this represents over 10% of poke revenue.... OU takes this same money and gives it to the academic side of the university, I believe it currently goes to the OU library.... This has gone on for many decades and by diverting this money for many decades it has helped OU become a better university.

Although it has been stopped, for many decades OU athletics also sent any surplus money they had at the end of the year to its academics. This was common in the part of the 40's, 50's, 60' and part of the 70's and in total it amounted to millions of dollars when millions really were a lot of money.


OU varsity athletics has never taken state tax money like OSU still does...
OU athletics has funded some of the student intramural sports for normal students.

Since all OK tax payers have a voice in how their tax money used I feel they can complain when OSU people say that OSU has arrived....
osu hasn't arrived until they reach self sufficiency levels much less sending money to the subsidize academics. OU gives the states tax payers a much better value than OSU.

The state of OK should end the subsidization of osu athletics IMO.
ou48, You are dead right on with what you have posted. I like many OU grads, supporters have been sick and tired of supporting osu athletics all these years with our tax dollars. But, we know it will never end, since the osu apologists will make sure the state, media, etc, does everything they can to try and prop osu up to the level of OU. The osu spin machine will kick in anytime someone questions the practice of subsidizing aggie athletics with state money.

A thread about an OSU basketball coach as we get posts talking about sooner exceptionalism and talk of state appropriations that I've yet to see a source of.

And why is it usually the non-alums are the ones always taking things a little too personal?

It's not about being "careful." It's about being Republican. Hargis is a smart guy but he won't buck Mary -- a proud OSU alum and the current torchbearer for the destruction of our state government and public education system. Honestly, the way things are going in the state, I'm fearful for OKC's future. I'm not convinced our city's economic prosperity can overcome the soul-destroying stupidity of the Fallin Administration / GOP legislative agenda.

Can you imagine a major tech employer surveying our state's budget priorities and deciding to locate a company here? Keating got bitschslapped by Boren when he tried to cut public funding while as governor he was trying to lure a major tech company. Guess what happened? The prospective employer saw the writing on the wall and went elsewhere. They made it clear they were looking for well-educated, qualified employees, and wanted to locate in an environment that put a priority on higher education. They actually said this!

Shrinking the number of college-educated citizens is a total death spiral for economic development.

Bchris should chime in here, but the reason North Carolina's economy exploded was borne from the great universities in the region, and the great talent pool of educated employees (and the research the universities provided).

When GE chose to locate in OKC, they mentioned the access to OU as a major reason. This is not rocket science. Can our governor learn from our successes? I've concluded Oklahoma is just wedded to oil and gas and doesn't prioritize anything else as far as economic development is concerned (and despite its sexy technology patina, the GE research facility is oil and gas-related). If they did, they would run the current leadership out on a rail, or at least demand that they not operate as semi-functioning morons.

How many unconstitutional abortion / anti-birth control bills will we see this session from this group? How many creationist / anti-science bills will we endure? Anti-immigration nonsense? Agenda 21-obsessed paranoia? This should be embarrassing to anyone with a firing synapse.

I don't think David has the stroke he used to, particularly with Mary (I get all my ideas from Heritage Foundation press releases) Fallin. Hargis is a shrinking violet and Boren's cabana boy. He will do nothing.

Could we move the politics to that forum

ou48, You are dead right on with what you have posted. I like many OU grads, supporters have been sick and tired of supporting osu athletics all these years with our tax dollars. But, we know it will never end, since the osu apologists will make sure the state, media, etc, does everything they can to try and prop osu up to the level of OU. The osu spin machine will kick in anytime someone questions the practice of subsidizing aggie athletics with state money.

I know! Oklahoman's should only support the school with the most national championships? Oh, wait... hrm. That wouldn't work. That'd be OSU. How about the school with more national championships than but 3 schools in the country? Oh, wait, that's OSU too. Hr,, you're right, they are a joke.

Oh, wait, we should be upset because OSU generates so little income... oh wait, they're 3rd in the big 12 behind Texas and Oklahoma. Maybe we should be upset because they get state subsidies, unlike every other school in the big 12. Oh wait, every other school does except OU and Texas. Well, maybe nationally they're comparatively a sponge? Oh wait, no, pretty much every other division one school except for like 5 depend on a percentage of their athletics being subsidized. Well, maybe they're in the higher end of Div 1 schools in what percentage of their budget comes from subsidies. Hrm, nope. They're in the bottom rung. Hrm, so what seems to be the problem here? They're not OU? I can grant that. I think the only problem here are the OU fans who seem obsessed with OSU.

Great post jerrywall ^ the joke is that OU people like to dictate "rules of engagement" for how OSU is to be discussed whenever they form a majority in a room (or message board). Conversely I know a lot more about the "other school" (relatively speaking) because I transferred from OU to OSU bc it was better for my interests, and I still shy away from making definitive characterizations of OU stuff just bc it's not my place.


Could we move the politics to that forum

Again, because this factual discussion gets in the way of the Sooner fans bloviating about how much they hate OSU? I'd recommend starting your own thread..this thread is about actual leadership issues.

ou48, You are dead right on with what you have posted. I like many OU grads, supporters have been sick and tired of supporting osu athletics all these years with our tax dollars. But, we know it will never end, since the osu apologists will make sure the state, media, etc, does everything they can to try and prop osu up to the level of OU. The osu spin machine will kick in anytime someone questions the practice of subsidizing aggie athletics with state money.

Following the poke loss to OU this past season I heard several people including Traber on the radio saying that “osu has arrived” > They said the same thing after the poke cotton bowl loss.

Until osu ends the practice of taking state money for its athletics and starts using it for its academics programs is a lie to say osu football has arrived...... and that's what's so disingenuous about the poke propaganda in our local media.

There are a few members of our media who act as osu protectors. Kelly Ogle and Jim Traber are the 2 biggest, but there are other participants.

But I don't hold out any hope for state tax payers to receive a better deal on their tax money.... as this amount of money is a significant percentage of poke revenue. osu finished 5th in revenue a 10 league conference.


In spite of what the poke propaganda machine says osu athletics has serious revenue issues that appear to be growing significantly worse.

Isn't OSU football's average ranking over the last 5 years...higher than that of OU football? Just sayin

Isn't OSU football's average ranking over the last 5 years...higher than that of OU football? Just sayin
Typical aggot spin. osu is 1-4 against OU over the last 5 yrs. And, 3 of those 5 games were played in stoolwater at the "hallowed" Boone Pickens Stadium in front of the aggie fans. To take it a little further back that's 1-10 over the last 11 yrs. And, all time it's 84-17. State tax dollars not being very well spent.

Following the poke loss to OU this past season I heard several people including Traber on the radio saying that “osu has arrived” > They said the same thing after the poke cotton bowl loss.

Until osu ends the practice of taking state money for its athletics and starts using it for its academics programs is a lie to say osu football has arrived...... and that's what's so disingenuous about the poke propaganda in our local media.

There are a few members of our media who act as osu protectors. Kelly Ogle and Jim Traber are the 2 biggest, but there are other participants.

But I don't hold out any hope for state tax payers to receive a better deal on their tax money.... as this amount of money is a significant percentage of poke revenue. osu finished 5th in revenue a 10 league conference.


In spite of what the poke propaganda machine says osu athletics has serious revenue issues that appear to be growing significantly worse.

You say a lot of things as if they are fact and we should just take your word for it. Can't you point to some facts about the tax money that OSU uses for athletics and OU uses for academics? I'm not trying to call you a liar or anything, I'd just like to know your sources or how you know those things.

SOONER8693 is quickly rising to the troll ranks of ou48a and okcretro

Typical aggot spin. osu is 1-4 against OU over the last 5 yrs. And, 3 of those 5 games were played in stoolwater at the "hallowed" Boone Pickens Stadium in front of the aggie fans. To take it a little further back that's 1-10 over the last 11 yrs. And, all time it's 84-17. State tax dollars not being very well spent.

Folks should worry about strong seasons and national rankings, and yet like many OU fans who think OSU is nothing to worry about and likes dismissing them, your entire self esteem seems to be based on trashing them. No matter how the rest of the season goes, as long as they beat one team (OSU), then they're awesome.

It's really sort of pathetic. If anything... it makes OU look like the little brother trying to catch up. Why so mad bro? Got something to prove?

SOONER8693 is quickly rising to the troll ranks of ou48a and okcretro

calling someone on a message board a troll? whats next? are u going to say the word OWNAGE? I bet you are waiting to post the famous video of "its Friday" song. Is myspace still your social media of choice? Are you still hoping for the day when facebook opens up to everyone not just students with an .edu email address?

went to Stillwater on Saturday, heard numerous fans yelling worse things than "piece of crap". loved all the empty seats, no way there was 10k there.

Favorite part was the sign from the jerri askins looking lady that said "we support Marcus" so I guess some fans support him going into the stands and pushing a fan, or maybe they support him throwing a temper trantum by kicking a chair? or maybe they support the racism claim he first made after going into the stands that no one else heard....

You say a lot of things as if they are fact and we should just take your word for it. Can't you point to some facts about the tax money that OSU uses for athletics and OU uses for academics? I'm not trying to call you a liar or anything, I'd just like to know your sources or how you know those things.
The DOK among other places has published these facts many, many times.
Its been a source of many jokes among many OU fans going back several decades that I'm aware of.
The most common being, osu athletics is a state welfare case! LOL.

Most of this can be learned over time by paying attention to the entire paper and not the poke spin that seen in the sports pages or on the radio talk shows. You will make your self better informed if you will preform your own search.

The DOK among other places has published these facts many, many times.
Its been a source of many jokes among many OU fans going back several decades that I'm aware of.
The most common being, osu athletics is a state welfare case! LOL.

Most of this can be learned over time by paying attention to the entire paper and not the poke spin that seen in the sports pages or on the radio talk shows. You will make your self better informed if you will preform your own search.

Yeah, I haven't lived on this side of the state my whole life (9 months now) so I rarely read the Oklahoman and I'm 24 years old so I guess I wouldn't really know what the running jokes have been for several decades. Regardless, if you could just provide some current up-to-date facts and not running jokes that would be helpful. Thanks

That won't happen.