Completely unacceptable. Doesn't matter what the fan said. You CANNOT shove a fan. Hopefully a multi game suspension is coming.


Marcus Smart Pushes Texas Tech Fan - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ha3S3kwAQE&feature=youtu.be)

I can hardly wait for the poke propaganda on this one.

SI article and investigation
Turkey legs & whiskey bottles
Cheerleader attempting to trip player
Gundy feuding with the press
Smart kicking a bench
Smart striking an elderly fan

It's athletic Dept completely out of control

SI article and investigation
Turkey legs & whiskey bottles
Cheerleader attempting to trip player
Gundy feuding with the press
Smart kicking a bench
Smart striking an elderly fan

It's athletic Dept completely out of control

Stevie Clark too.

I hardly subscribe to a description of an athletic department out of control but the basketball team has to be considered a disaster based on the preseason expectations. I'm thinking that Smart wasn't too smart to come back for another year instead of going to the NBA.

ryaber: Sure this has been said but OSU radio said immediately after the incident that Smart told the OSU coaches that the fan said THE word

I hardly subscribe to a description of an athletic department out of control but the basketball team has to be considered a disaster based on the preseason expectations. I'm thinking that Smart wasn't too smart to come back for another year instead of going to the NBA.

You'd have to think he's dropping rapidly in the NBA draft.

I hardly subscribe to a description of an athletic department out of control but the basketball team has to be considered a disaster based on the preseason expectations. I'm thinking that Smart wasn't too smart to come back for another year instead of going to the NBA.

Absolutely, not so Smart.
However, as far as coming back, he didn't know Michael Cobbins would go down. Huge blow to an already undersized team.
He didn't know Stevie Clark would be such a juvenile. I'm pretty sure he thought Stevie would provide
some speed and some relief to his position.

As it happens the pressure is revved up much more than he could have imagined because he really thought they'd have a Final 8 type team.
The other thing is he could've been drafted high last year but it was unwarranted and some NBA team would've suffered. His
skills don't match the hype and his temperament certainly is a factor in possible NBA success.

The fan, Jeff Orr, apparently has a history of berating players. Social media is a buzz over him, including flipping off a Texas A&M player a few years ago.

Smart should not play another game for Oklahoma State

ryaber: Sure this has been said but OSU radio said immediately after the incident that Smart told the OSU coaches that the fan said THE word

Not shocked.

Smart still shouldn't have lost his cool, but its sad he will likely be crucified for this. What a dumpster fire OSU basketball has become.

GottliebShow: "wasn't vulgar or the N Word" another text from Orr - #MarcusSmart

Marcus Smart of Oklahoma State Cowboys shoves fan - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10426105/marcus-smart-oklahoma-state-cowboys-shoves-fan)

This provides a little more information.

One... completely inexcusable to lose his cool and go after a fan.

Two...the fan has a reputation and is lucky he hasn't been hit by a bus yet.

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TTU loves Jeff Orr though...

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/vomit

From the OKlahoman:

Oklahoma State basketball: Marcus Smart loses cool in Cowboys' loss to Texas Tech | News OK (http://newsok.com/marcus-smart-loses-cool-in-cowboys-loss-to-texas-tech/article/3932123)


The Cowboys lost at Texas Tech. Marcus Smart lost his cool, if not more.

And now Oklahoma State’s season, already teetering in trouble, may have tipped completely Saturday in Lubbock.



Even when the game was over, OSU officials struggled to contain a shouting and screaming Smart, who had to be escorted off the floor.


And now Smart’s status going forward is in question, with a suspension possible, whether internally from coach Travis Ford or the Big 12 office.

Tech fans are some of the worst, but regardless of what any fan says, you can't do things that damage your team. Selfish and stupid.

Yeah I'm pretty sure my 5 year old nephew is more mature than Smart.

Stupid, I agree. Should Smart be punished? Yes, so he can learn some needed self-discipline. He's young enough to change. How about the fan? He's reportedly 60. Is he going to learn self-discipline? There's a picture of him giving the finger at an A&M game. Freedom of speech be damned. This is occurring at a university where children are being taught to become adults. If an adult cannot model good behavior, he's a bad example to our children. Pull his season ticket and ban him from as many game days as Smart is suspended. Fair is fair.

I'm an OU fan, by the way.

Sorry, double post.

Fans act crazy everywhere. We start banning fans for idiotic behavior, there will be a lot of empty seats. What about the "bull****" chant that's gone on for years? Absolutely no excuse for Marcus. He won't make it far in the NBA unless he cuts those rabbit ears off.

That guy (Orr) is a total bag. And only in Lubbock would a guy like that be celebrated. What a cesspool that school and city is.

Good gosh, I heard about this on the radio this morning and thought I'd misunderstood. Unbeeeeeleeeeevable.

Crazy is one thing, abusive is another. Lets hear the whole story, including anything this guy said during the course of the game. If I put most of you all on a bench for two hours with a 60 year old guy sitting behind you taunting, I bet for almost anyone I could find something for him to say that would cause you to shove him. Lets be honest here.

Put the "crazy" fans (who should be ashamed of themselves for acting like children, btw) in the second tier, not behind the players. If we're trying to teach our young men and women sportsmanship, why should we reward adults for the lack thereof? If you can't model adult behavior, you don't belong near students.

Crazy is one thing, abusive is another. Lets hear the whole story, including anything this guy said during the course of the game. If I put most of you all on a bench for two hours with a 60 year old guy sitting behind you taunting, I bet for almost anyone I could find something for him to say that would cause you to shove him. Lets be honest here.

Put the "crazy" fans (who should be ashamed of themselves for acting like children, btw) in the second tier, not behind the players. If we're trying to teach our young men and women sportsmanship, why should we reward adults for the lack thereof? If you can't model adult behavior, you don't belong near students.

Behind the bench? The fan was Behind the goal. This happened in less than 5 seconds.

That guy (Orr) is a total bag. And only in Lubbock would a guy like that be celebrated. What a cesspool that school and city is.

I totally agree with all three statements.

Behind the bench? The fan was Behind the goal. This happened in less than 5 seconds.

I'm an OU fan. Did not watch the game. Behind the goal meant he may have been yelling during FTs. I'm not excusing Smart's behavior. But what's sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander. If that man was rude and abusive he doesn't need to be at games. Were I a university president I wouldn't care if that meant we lost 1% of our ticket sales. We are trying to teach our young men and women how to behave like adults. So, adults who do not behave like adults should not be treated as if they've done nothing.

You guys are acting like Tech is the only place where fans heckle players. You seriously think Smart hasn't heard 10x worse than whatever this guy said from students during Bedlam? This happens everywhere, in every classification, from junior high to NBA. Are we seriously saying there is ever an excuse for a player to go into the stands? Smart is a high profile athlete and kids everywhere are going to be watching to see what his punishment is.

Is anyone saying he shouldn't be punished? I think he should. But, I think it's time we tell fans heckling, especially if we find out it was racial in nature, is not to be tolerated either. I'm tired of grown men acting like ten year olds over sports. Pull that guy's season ticket, IMO. What he did was not OK. It's never OK, but less OK in college sports and below.

You guys are acting like Tech is the only place where fans heckle players. You seriously think Smart hasn't heard 10x worse than whatever this guy said from students during Bedlam? This happens everywhere, in every classification, from junior high to NBA. Are we seriously saying there is ever an excuse for a player to go into the stands? Smart is a high profile athlete and kids everywhere are going to be watching to see what his punishment is.

Not an excuse but we're talking about Lubbock

This would be the perfect opportunity for the OSU president Burns Hargis to step up and began the process of repairing the very serious damage that OSU athletics has caused to his schools reputation in recent months.

Even before the Big 12 takes action Mr Hargis should permanently suspend Smart from all athletic competition at OSU and state that OSU will not tolerate the type of behavior that Smart displayed at our university.

However my confidence in OSU officials taking such action is extremely low!

Not an excuse but we're talking about Lubbock

We are also talking about the crap coming out of OSU once again... There is a pattern here with OSU in case you haven't noticed.....
This fits right in with some of the out of control stuff that SI wrote about.

Is anyone saying he shouldn't be punished? I think he should. But, I think it's time we tell fans heckling, especially if we find out it was racial in nature, is not to be tolerated either. I'm tired of grown men acting like ten year olds over sports. Pull that guy's season ticket, IMO. What he did was not OK. It's never OK, but less OK in college sports and below.

I guess you're right - after reading the thread again its not as pro-Smart as the comments on the ESPN articles and such I was reading before this. I guess that put me in a mood before my post. ;)

A suspension works. Game or three is adequate. Gets the point across one does not go after a spectator (not even the heckler ones, and irrespective of the content of the heckle.) Doesn't destroy the ability to grow from a dumb mistake.

Bottom line for coaches to teach all athletes, at all ages: (a) Hecklers exist and (b) There is no response to a heckler, in any measure, that does not reward the heckler, so tune them out. And then enforce the lesson appropriately so it sinks in.

But ban forever? Absurd idea and completely out of proportion to the (admittedly stupid) conduct of the player.

Completely unacceptable. Doesn't matter what the fan said. You CANNOT shove a fan. Hopefully a multi game suspension is coming.


Marcus Smart Pushes Texas Tech Fan - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ha3S3kwAQE&feature=youtu.be)

Agreed.

press conference coming at 5 PM...

No excuse for what Marcus Smart did; he was wrong and should be disciplined--definitely not to the point of overkill. Like many schools throughout the country, there are certain individual fans who are known for their disrespect and antics toward opposing team players.

It is true that this fan has a history of heckling players from the opposing team?


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Kevin Durant said today that he doesn't think he would have acted any differently in that situation.

I don't know what the fan said and frankly it's irrelevant. What Smart did is illegal and one must ask why aren't assault charges being filed.

OSU should kick Smart off the team because he's not who they are nor who they want to be.

5 games at least

I don't know what the fan said and frankly it's irrelevant. What Smart did is illegal and one must ask why aren't assault charges being filed.

OSU should kick Smart off the team because he's not who they are nor who they want to be.

Assault charges for pushing someone? That's overdoing it, don't ya think?

It is true that this fan has a history of heckling players from the opposing team?


Go to the first page of this thread, post #14...I posted a video of him during a game against A&M (it is towards the end) = http://www.okctalk.com/sports/36701-marcus-smart-shoves-fan.html#post745118

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From KJRH... Who is the fan Marcus Smart shoved? Jeff Orr, Texas Tech Red Raiders super fan - Story (http://www.kjrh.com/sports/local-sports/who-is-the-fan-marcus-smart-shoved-espn-reporting-he-is-jeff-orr-texas-tech-red-raiders-super-fan)

From KJRH... Who is the fan Marcus Smart shoved? Jeff Orr, Texas Tech Red Raiders super fan - Story (http://www.kjrh.com/sports/local-sports/who-is-the-fan-marcus-smart-shoved-espn-reporting-he-is-jeff-orr-texas-tech-red-raiders-super-fan)

This is a debacle for everyone involved. Surely no one at Tech is proud they've lionized this guy. Surely no one at OSU is proud of what Smart did. If what the fan did was the "last straw" in an incredibly disappointing season for OSU, then you have to go back to the coach to figure out why he (apparently?) lost the team, lost their discipline, lost...about everything?

Just a mess. No winners in this.

At all.

Smart suspended 3 games.

Surely no one at Tech is proud they've lionized this guy.

You're giving Tech people too much credit.

Mr. Orr says he called Marcus "a piece of crap". Listen closely to this video, he clearly did. No racial slurs.

Fan-Player Incident: TTU vs. OSU Basketball - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5tqqJ_h7ak&feature=youtu.be)

You're knocking Lubbock and TT as if it's an anomaly. Here's a video from my collection of a REAL fight, players against players, players slugging fans, players slugging cops in, of all places - DUKE - started by the basketball coach, Larry Brown, when he was a NC Tarheel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0RroAH4vwU

So from the video seems like Smart is the liar, no racial slur used.

This is from Texas Tech:

In conjunction with a review of the actions of Oklahoma State guard Marcus Smart by the Big 12 Conference, Texas Tech has completed its own thorough investigation regarding the incident at last night's basketball game involving Red Raider fan Jeff Orr. Texas Tech interviewed Mr. Orr along with numerous fans, photographers and arena personnel that were seated in the area surrounding him. Mr. Orr vehemently denied the accusation that he used a racial slur and no one in the vicinity of Mr. Orr heard such a slur.

Mr. Orr has admitted to directing an inappropriate phrase toward Marcus Smart. Texas Tech has been able to verify that statement independently through video provided by Texas Tech Sports Broadcasting. At no point on the film can a racial slur be heard.

Texas Tech is committed to sportsmanship and expects fans to abide by the rules set forth by the Big 12 Conference and the university. Comments such as those used by Mr. Orr are unacceptable and not condoned by Texas Tech University.

As a result of this incident, Mr. Orr has voluntarily agreed to not attend a Texas Tech home or away basketball game for the remainder of the season.

Jeff Orr Statement

"I would like to take this opportunity to offer my sincere apologies to Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State, Tubby Smith and the Texas Tech Men's Basketball program. My actions last night were inappropriate and do not reflect myself or Texas Tech - a university I love dearly. I regret calling Mr. Smart a "piece of crap" but I want to make it known that I did not use a racial slur of any kind. Additionally, I would like to offer my apologies to Texas Tech fans that have been embarrassed by the attention this incident has created."

Statement Regarding Incident At Texas Tech-Oklahoma State Men's Basketball Game - Texas Tech Red Raiders Official Athletic Site (http://www.texastech.com/genrel/020914aab.html)

Mr. Orr says he called Marcus "a piece of crap". Listen closely to this video, he clearly did. No racial slurs.

Fan-Player Incident: TTU vs. OSU Basketball - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5tqqJ_h7ak&feature=youtu.be)

When the camera and mic are pointed directly at the Bozo it records him. When it isn't, it doesn't seem to or record what anyone else said. It was only pointed at him for a second. Marcus seemed to be saying things too in other videos. Where is that in the recording? In the other video Orr says something else from a different posture while Marcus is facing him and right before he gets shoved.

It's incomplete and inconclusive.

Is sad how ESPN and so many others so badly wanted this to be an indecent of race.

But on matters such as this ESPN is always way out of line with the reality and quick to jump on the race narrative.
ESPN is an unreliable news source!

Is sad how ESPN and so many others so badly wanted this to be an indecent of race.

But on matters such as this ESPN is always way out of line with the reality and quick to jump on the race narrative.
ESPN is an unreliable news source!

Well, in all fairness, however, there was nearly immediate reaction from some on the OSU broadcasting side that relayed Smart telling coaches Orr used a racial slur. So I'm not sure I can blame the media for that aspect of it.

Also, whatever that mic pics up, I can't believe any player would truly explode over something as relatively benign as "piece of crap." I would have to think most players have heard and ignored a lot worse.

Bottom line is none of us know what was said by anyone, and in all honesty, we never will. Smart's been suspended, and the fan asked been "asked not to attend" more games, so I'm not sure what more there is to do about it.

Orr May be a big d bag but I find it hard to believe he yells a racial slur at that moment with mics, cameras, and all the people surrounding him. Seems like Smart had a chip on his shoulder and heard what he wanted to hear.

Well, in all fairness, however, there was nearly immediate reaction from some on the OSU broadcasting side that relayed Smart telling coaches Orr used a racial slur. So I'm not sure I can blame the media for that aspect of it.

Also, whatever that mic pics up, I can't believe any player would truly explode over something as relatively benign as "piece of crap." I would have to think most players have heard and ignored a lot worse.

Bottom line is none of us know what was said by anyone, and in all honesty, we never will. Smart's been suspended, and the fan asked been "asked not to attend" more games, so I'm not sure what more there is to do about it.

No..... we do know exactly what was said.... you can see and hear it for your self.
The fan called him just as he has admitted ….. piece of crap





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5tqqJ_h7ak&feature=youtu.be

To me the video shows the flopper is the liar.

This video was after the "piece of crap" statement. Read his lips and tell me if he you think he said "I'm sorry" or "Go back to Africa..."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ha3S3kwAQE&feature=youtu.be

Marcus Smart Pushes Texas Tech Fan - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ha3S3kwAQE&feature=youtu.be)

We'll never know what all was said, but obviously it was more than "piece of crap" because there's video of it.

We'll never know what all was said, but obviously it was more than "piece of crap" because there's video of it.

If you look a the fans hand jester it sure doesn’t look like anything but a remorseful jester and not the type of jester made if some one would say go back to Africa.

Most likely IMO is that Smart knew he screwed up and the only out he had left was to lie and play the race card....


This isn't the first time Smart has lost his composure.

Player suspended. Heckler will be heckling his own tv screen or maybe a BWW screen for the season.

Next short lived sports news story in 4, 3, 2, 1 ....

Next story just came out... no pun.

Michael Sam of Missouri Tigers says he's gay - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10429030/michael-sam-missouri-tigers-says-gay)