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Pete
01-04-2014, 12:04 AM
As we were first to report way back in January of 2014, Sam's Club will be building a 140,000 square foot new store on the northwest corner of N. May Avenue and I-44 / 39th Street Expressway. This is the location of the former Lynn Hickey Dodge.

This area of NW Oklahoma City is seeing a lot of attention from retailers of late, with Winco Foods purchasing a site less than a mile to the west, and OnCue Express set to construct a new location just a few blocks to the south.

4-29-14: Purchased the 13.8 acres for $6.3 million
5-12-14: Building permit application for 140,000 square foot structure
3-20-15: Building permit finally issued
3-25-15: Application to move two construction trailers onto the property


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amaesquire
01-04-2014, 09:41 AM
That is a good, central location. Much better option than I-40, north Penn, NW Expressway, MWC, or north of The Wall (Edmond).

OKCisOK4me
01-04-2014, 09:45 AM
I still argue access and exit points along I-44 Frontage Rd. toward Drexel. That stretch of May is going to be horrendous traffic wise but I do agree that it is a great interior location.

amaesquire
01-04-2014, 09:56 AM
I still argue access and exit points along I-44 Frontage Rd. toward Drexel. That stretch of May is going to be horrendous traffic wise but I do agree that it is a great interior location.

Good idea. Access point behind the Shell station. Which makes me wonder, how happy are they going to be about a Sam's gas station popping up next door?

amaesquire
01-04-2014, 10:06 AM
In looking at what was provided to the Planning Commission, it appears that there will be good access from 39th.

OKCisOK4me
01-04-2014, 10:07 AM
Good idea. Access point behind the Shell station. Which makes me wonder, how happy are they going to be about a Sam's gas station popping up next door?

Probably going to have to lower their prices to compete. The glass shop and the O'Reilys on the east side of May should be happy about this. Business should go up with the new influx of customers in the area.

bchris02
01-04-2014, 10:39 AM
More and more Wal-Mart. I really doubt OKC will ever be able to support stores like Costco or a major national grocery chain. It seems like every new retail development in this town is Wal-Mart centered. Unbelievable.

Pete
01-04-2014, 10:45 AM
Here is a site plan and aerial (not sure of area in pink; may be separate development):



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Jeepnokc
01-04-2014, 10:55 AM
More and more Wal-Mart. I really doubt OKC will ever be able to support stores like Costco or a major national grocery chain. It seems like every new retail development in this town is Wal-Mart centered. Unbelievable.

Seems to me that Costco needs to get off their ass then and put in a store to compete. Walmart/SamsClub is adding more stores as they see a need for it and apparently the economics support it.

bchris02
01-04-2014, 10:57 AM
Seems to me that Costco needs to get off their ass then and put in a store to compete. Walmart/SamsClub is adding more stores as they see a need for it and apparently the economics support it.

Or to keep Costco and other retailers out... If Steve's sources are correct, Costco will not build a store sandwiched between two Sam's Clubs. They pulled out of the Memorial development after the Edmond Sam's Club was announced. If Wal-Mart blankets the metro with Sam's Clubs, there will never be a Costco here.

The lack of choices here, thanks to Bentonville, is absolutely apalling.

BB37
01-04-2014, 11:00 AM
Will the Dakota Financial building on the I-44 frontage road west of May be demolished? Can't tell from the site plan (not enough resolution).

OKCisOK4me
01-04-2014, 11:18 AM
Or to keep Costco and other retailers out... If Steve's sources are correct, Costco will not build a store sandwiched between two Sam's Clubs. They pulled out of the Memorial development after the Edmond Sam's Club was announced. If Wal-Mart blankets the metro with Sam's Clubs, there will never be a Costco here.

The lack of choices here, thanks to Bentonville, is absolutely apalling.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of mind blowing products does Costco sell that you can't find at Wal-Mart/Sam's Club?

catch22
01-04-2014, 11:25 AM
Or to keep Costco and other retailers out... If Steve's sources are correct, Costco will not build a store sandwiched between two Sam's Clubs. They pulled out of the Memorial development after the Edmond Sam's Club was announced. If Wal-Mart blankets the metro with Sam's Clubs, there will never be a Costco here.

The lack of choices here, thanks to Bentonville, is absolutely apalling.

When did they say they pulled out of the Memorial development??

Pete
01-04-2014, 11:27 AM
bcrhis keeps repeating that like it's fact, and it's absolutely not.

Besides, I assure you that Costco frequently goes in between and very near Sam's all the time.

bchris02
01-04-2014, 11:30 AM
Just out of curiosity, what kind of mind blowing products does Costco sell that you can't find at Wal-Mart/Sam's Club?

I don't like supporting Wal-Mart in any way and I avoid them if I can at all help it. My reasons for that have been hashed out by myself and numerous people time and time again, but to sum it up Wal-Mart represents capitalism at its worst.

Jeepnokc
01-04-2014, 11:30 AM
Or to keep Costco and other retailers out... If Steve's sources are correct, Costco will not build a store sandwiched between two Sam's Clubs. They pulled out of the Memorial development after the Edmond Sam's Club was announced. If Wal-Mart blankets the metro with Sam's Clubs, there will never be a Costco here.

The lack of choices here and fugly suburban retail developments, thanks to Bentonville, is absolutely apalling.

Has nothing to do with Bentonville. If Costco is so great (and I like Costco) and such a better product, then they shouldn't be afraid to go head to head with Walmart. Look at Traders Joes which everyone is sure will be going into the old crescent location which is a couple of blocks from WF. What about CVS and Walgreens opening up across the street from each other all over the city. Those companies aren't afraid to compete. I don't buy into this crap about they won't come in because of Walmart. There are Sams Clubs all over the country and I am sure there are Sam's Clubs in markets where there are also Costcos.

I don't think Costco is worried about Sams. Looking at Costco's expansion plans, they have shifted from a majority of expansion being US stores to a higher percentage of new stores being outside the US as it is more profitable according to several of the business articles I have read.

Jeepnokc
01-04-2014, 11:31 AM
I don't like supporting Wal-Mart in any way and I avoid them if I can at all help it. My reasons for that have been hashed out by myself and numerous people time and time again, but to sum it up Wal-Mart represents capitalism at its worst.

Or...capitalism at its best

Pete
01-04-2014, 11:33 AM
Costco is NOT worried about Sam's, I assure you. bchris just keeps repeating his misunderstood Steve post (which I still believe to be incorrect, even when taken in the proper context) to advance his constant, negative agenda.


Costco is coming to Tulsa and OKC no matter what Sam's does.

bchris02
01-04-2014, 11:33 AM
Or...capitalism at its best

Morally at its worst. It's immoral the way they do business.

catch22
01-04-2014, 11:34 AM
bcrhis keeps repeating that like it's fact, and it's absolutely not.

Besides, I assure you that Costco frequently goes in between and very near Sam's all the time.

That's what I thought. I have been working a lot and admit to not really keeping up with everything. And looks like I need to renew :)

LuccaBrasi
01-04-2014, 11:45 AM
Wow. First Lowes a few years back and now Sam's gets shoe-horned in an older part of town. I never thought that site stood much of a chance. That's a shot in the arm for this part of the city. That area is my old stomping ground, too bad my folks are deceased, my mom would have loved this news. It will be a traffic hassle on the access road and the northbound May left turn so close to the light on 39th.

Maybe Sam's can bring in a crane along with Tom Park and Lynn Hickey to help with the grand opening!

bluedogok
01-04-2014, 01:57 PM
bcrhis keeps repeating that like it's fact, and it's absolutely not.

Besides, I assure you that Costco frequently goes in between and very near Sam's all the time.
Yep, the two stores that were open when I lived in Austin (another has opened since in the Cedar Park area) were very close to Sam's stores, they were about a mile from each other on the same roads (South Mopac, North US-183). The Cedar Park location is about two miles from Costco. There are many more Sam's stores than Costco stores in every market that I know of, almost double the Sam's stores here in the Denver Metro area than Costco stores. Multiple Sam's stores hasn't seemed to stop Costco from locating near their competition.

gjl
01-04-2014, 02:14 PM
Good idea. Access point behind the Shell station. Which makes me wonder, how happy are they going to be about a Sam's gas station popping up next door?

I think SAM's gas is all E10. If the Shell sells no ethanol 100% gas they will do fine.

The new Sams will be more convenient for me than any of the other ones provided they stock the products I buy at Sams. Not all Sams in OKC stock the same items. Some things I buy at the Reno Sams are not stocked at the NW Expressway Sams.

And a question about Costco. Are there any Costco stores anywhere in the country that do not sell wine? I mean are they in any states that do not allow it because of their liquor laws?

bchris02
01-04-2014, 02:17 PM
And a question about Costco. Are there any Costco stores anywhere in the country that do not sell wine? I mean are they in any states that do not allow it because of their liquor laws?

Costco is speculated to be coming to Tulsa and they are also in Kansas, Colorado, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania. The liquor laws aren't the sole reason they aren't here.

Pete
01-04-2014, 02:24 PM
Costco is coming to Tulsa for sure and they are also in Kansas, Colorado, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania. The liquor laws aren't the sole reason they aren't here.

Do you have a link to Costco coming to Tulsa "for sure"?

gjl
01-04-2014, 02:24 PM
Costco is coming to Tulsa for sure and they are also in Kansas, Colorado, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania. The liquor laws aren't the sole reason they aren't here.

I'm not wanting to debate why they are not here. So are you saying they don't sell wine in their stores in those states?

Pete
01-04-2014, 02:28 PM
I'm not wanting to debate why they are not here. So are you saying they don't sell wine in their stores in those states?

They either set up a directly adjacent yet separate liquor store or have nothing at all.

Mississippi Blues
01-04-2014, 02:29 PM
Do you have a link to Costco coming to Tulsa "for sure"?

There's a poster on skyscrapercity that seems to think there's a Costco under construction in Broken Arrow (I believe), but I've never seen anything other than that one poster that seems to think a Costco is already UC there. No reports by the papers or news stations, no building permits, nothing. Just speculation.

bluedogok
01-04-2014, 02:34 PM
I think SAM's gas is all E10. If the Shell sells no ethanol 100% gas they will do fine.
If the EPA gets their way "real gas" will be a thing of the past anywhere.


The new Sams will be more convenient for me than any of the other ones provided they stock the products I buy at Sams. Not all Sams in OKC stock the same items. Some things I buy at the Reno Sams are not stocked at the NW Expressway Sams.
We found that to be the case, my wife likes the Topo Chico Mexican mineral water, the Sam's location we normally went to in Austin (South Mopac) did not carry it but the other location by our house (South I-35/Southpark Meadows) did. Costco did not carry it in Austin and neither Sam's or Costco carry it up here in Denver, we have buy it at Walmart Neighborhood Market since they have the 12-packs. I couldn't find Yoshida's marinade in Austin (at either place) and I know that OKC used to have it, pretty easy to find here in Denver. Griffin's distributed their products at Sam's in Texas but not up here.


And a question about Costco. Are there any Costco stores anywhere in the country that do not sell wine? I mean are they in any states that do not allow it because of their liquor laws?
The ones here in Colorado only have 3.2 beer inside the store. Just like in the Austin stores, some have an adjacent liquor store which is nothing more than a space leased to a separate operator and no connection to or card needed to buy liquor. The adjacent liquor stores here in Colorado have wine, high point beer and liquor, the location in Austin did not have wine or beer (that I remember) but did have liquor. I rarely went to the liquor store in Austin with Spec's nearby. Up here in Colorado any entity can only hold one liquor license, they do not have the 10-year residency requirement like Oklahoma. Whole Foods has their one location with wine, high point beer and liquor in Boulder, Trader Joe's will have their one wine/beer location near Downtown Denver and King Soopers (Kroger) has theirs in Glendale just southeast of downtown. Sam's stores here also have the adjacent liquor store at some locations.

I know the Massachusetts liquor laws can be more restrictive than Oklahoma requiring anything with alcohol to be sold at package stores. The Whole Foods that we would go to by our hotel we stayed at in Boston at has no beer or wine. Never did go to a Costco up there but did see one off the highway when taking Amtrak to Mystic, Connecticut.

PhiAlpha
01-04-2014, 02:36 PM
More and more Wal-Mart. I really doubt OKC will ever be able to support stores like Costco or a major national grocery chain. It seems like every new retail development in this town is Wal-Mart centered. Unbelievable.

I shop at sams, I'm happy with this. If Costco doesn't want to test the market here, that's their loss. Sams will in no way prevent more high quality grocery stores from being built. That site has been empty for years and will now have a quality tenant, this is a great deal. Quit being so melodramatic.

Pete
01-04-2014, 02:38 PM
There's a poster on skyscrapercity that seems to think there's a Costco under construction in Broken Arrow (I believe), but I've never seen anything other than that one poster that seems to think a Costco is already UC there. No reports by the papers or news stations, no building permits, nothing. Just speculation.

That's my point.

I almost never call out posters but I'm tired of bchris completely misrepresenting what is going on with Costco, especially since the posts are clearly biased in the "OKC never gets anything good and Tulsa always does' way.

I wouldn't say anything but we have lots of casual visitors to this site that see this type of post and since they are stated so emphatically, they are likely to assume them as fact.

PhiAlpha
01-04-2014, 02:43 PM
Has nothing to do with Bentonville. If Costco is so great (and I like Costco) and such a better product, then they shouldn't be afraid to go head to head with Walmart. Look at Traders Joes which everyone is sure will be going into the old crescent location which is a couple of blocks from WF. What about CVS and Walgreens opening up across the street from each other all over the city. Those companies aren't afraid to compete. I don't buy into this crap about they won't come in because of Walmart. There are Sams Clubs all over the country and I am sure there are Sam's Clubs in markets where there are also Costcos.

I don't think Costco is worried about Sams. Looking at Costco's expansion plans, they have shifted from a majority of expansion being US stores to a higher percentage of new stores being outside the US as it is more profitable according to several of the business articles I have read.

That and all the targets across the street from walmarts...they aren't afraid to compete either.

bluedogok
01-04-2014, 02:48 PM
That's my point.

I almost never call out posters but I'm tired of bchris completely misrepresenting what is going on with Costco, especially since the posts are clearly biased in the "OKC never gets anything good and Tulsa always does' way.

I wouldn't say anything but we have lots of casual visitors to this site that see this type of post and since they are stated so emphatically, they are likely to assume them as fact.
It isn't just with Costco either, it is pretty much any retail that comes close to competing with Walmart that he blames them for.

AP
01-04-2014, 02:51 PM
Quit being so melodramatic.

Yes. +1. Agree. Like. Anything else I can add?

Plutonic Panda
01-04-2014, 03:02 PM
Walmart is perfectly legitimate business and operates within the laws. Don't like them, don't shop there.

gjl
01-04-2014, 03:03 PM
That and all the targets across the street from walmarts...they aren't afraid to compete either.

I got this in an email and the verification comes from Snopes.

Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. Patrick's Day (March 17th) than Target sells all year.

The 76 days between January 1 to March 17 represent 20.8% of one year. If we take 20.8% of Wal-Mart's sales for fiscal 2008 ($374,526,000,000), that works out to a total of $77,901,408,000 for a 76-day period. (We acknowledge that this is only an approximation, since sales are not evenly distributed throughout the year.)

Target stores reported sales of $63,367,000,000 for fiscal 2008, so it's fair to say that Wal-Mart does indeed sell more (in dollar terms) between New Year's Day and St. Patrick's Day than Target sells all year.

Targets appeal to a different clientele than Walmart. That is why there are Starbucks in Target and McDonalds in Walmart. :D

PhiAlpha
01-04-2014, 03:38 PM
Yes. +1. Agree. Like. Anything else I can add?

:evilsmile devil smiley face?

zookeeper
01-04-2014, 04:56 PM
What a shot in the arm to this area. Along with the big Lowes store, this could anchor a southern end to a very nice strip of retail from NW 39th north. Considering all of the retail, restaurant, and development from NW 50th and May north, past the NW Expressway intersection on to 63rd (huge hub of activity), to Grand (Blue Seven, etc.) and then you could even make the argument it runs all the way to Britton Road where the nicest mainstream grocery store in the city is on May & Britton. The big question mark is Mayfair Shopping Center which has gone downhill fast. What an incredible opportunity with that land on both sides of May Avenue, whether to really update that center or tear it down and replace it with an all new Mayfair development.

This is really good news for a revitalized May Avenue that will now stretch a good distance.

Pete
01-04-2014, 05:04 PM
It really is a nice bit of infill development.

And it also brings a warehouse store much closer to almost everyone who lives in the central core.

Just one more reason to never go to Memorial Road or the big box hell of far West OKC.

Urbanized
01-04-2014, 05:39 PM
That's a great point. I'm not a regular at Sam's, but living/working downtown I usually try to find an excuse to go to the Lowe's, Home Depot, Target, etc. in that area instead of the (probably slightly closer and in some cases definitely larger) versions east, west or north. A lot of the appeal to me us that I can get there and get gone via the grid rather than congested access roads. There's a lot to be said for the grid when it comes to traffic dispersal.

Pete
01-04-2014, 05:44 PM
That whole near NW side of town is definitely experiencing a bit of a renaissance.

Obviously, HH and Mesta Park are incredibly desirable, but now Classen Ten Penn, Gatewood, Jefferson Park, the Paseo, Crown Heights Putnam Heights and even Mayfair and most the other neighborhoods in the area are definitely picking up.

That Lowes very nearby is another great amenity if you don't want to jump on a freeway.

windowphobe
01-04-2014, 07:12 PM
I've bought gas at that Shell. It's E10. (Shell stations with E0 can be found along May at 36th and 50th.)

rezman
01-04-2014, 08:59 PM
What a shot in the arm to this area. Along with the big Lowes store, this could anchor a southern end to a very nice strip of retail from NW 39th north. Considering all of the retail, restaurant, and development from NW 50th and May north, past the NW Expressway intersection on to 63rd (huge hub of activity), to Grand (Blue Seven, etc.) and then you could even make the argument it runs all the way to Britton Road where the nicest mainstream grocery store in the city is on May & Britton. The big question mark is Mayfair Shopping Center which has gone downhill fast. What an incredible opportunity with that land on both sides of May Avenue, whether to really update that center or tear it down and replace it with an all new Mayfair development.

This is really good news for a revitalized May Avenue that will now stretch a good distance.


What a shot in the arm to this area. Along with the big Lowes store, this could anchor a southern end to a very nice strip of retail from NW 39th north. Considering all of the retail, restaurant, and development from NW 50th and May north, past the NW Expressway intersection on to 63rd (huge hub of activity), to Grand (Blue Seven, etc.) and then you could even make the argument it runs all the way to Britton Road where the nicest mainstream grocery store in the city is on May & Britton. The big question mark is Mayfair Shopping Center which has gone downhill fast. What an incredible opportunity with that land on both sides of May Avenue, whether to really update that center or tear it down and replace it with an all new Mayfair development.

This is really good news for a revitalized May Avenue that will now stretch a good distance.

I might just be me, but it seems like ever since Gene Warr passed,.. And actually back to the time after he retired, Mayfair Shops have gone down hill. And the closing of Mayfair Market didn't help.

Soonerman
01-04-2014, 11:12 PM
Costco is speculated to be coming to Tulsa and they are also in Kansas, Colorado, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania. The liquor laws aren't the sole reason they aren't here.

Doesn't Kansas have similar liquor laws?

OklahomaNick
01-05-2014, 12:09 AM
Side note/question?

What ever happened to Lynn Hickey Dodge or Lynn Hickey for that matter?
They had a HUGE dealership there..

Brett
01-05-2014, 08:14 AM
I always find it entertaining to see idiots who are driving northbound on May Ave. pull into the empty Lynn Hickey site and attempt a U-turn.

onthestrip
01-05-2014, 11:17 AM
I might just be me, but it seems like ever since Gene Warr passed,.. And actually back to the time after he retired, Mayfair Shops have gone down hill. And the closing of Mayfair Market didn't help.

Believe the family sold the center several years ago

Pete
01-05-2014, 11:25 AM
Side note/question?

What ever happened to Lynn Hickey Dodge or Lynn Hickey for that matter?
They had a HUGE dealership there..

Here is a great article by Steve from February 2006:



Flashback: Lynn Hickey
Hijinks help build Dodge dealership
Steve Lackmeyer • Modified: February 5, 2006 at 12:00 am • Published: February 5, 2006
For a quarter century, Oklahoma City television viewers were treated to the hijinks of a car dealer who was willing to do just about anything, it seemed, to sell a Dodge.

And that included the annual stunt of Lynn Hickey climbing into a van that was then lifted by crane high over Interstate 44 and May Avenue. At other times, viewers got to watch Hickey gleefully exploding a Chevrolet van or Ford pickup.

Hickey started the dealership in 1969, as May Avenue was becoming one of the city's busiest commercial corridors. By 1995, the business, turned over to his sons Doug and Wade, was ranked as the most successful Dodge dealership in the country, with sales hitting $135 million.

That next year, the dealership was sold for a reported $13.85 million to Texas-based Cross-Continent Auto Retailers.

"We were one of the first to be sought after when the public companies started merging dealerships in the mid-90s, Doug Hickey said. "They made us an offer we couldn't refuse.

Doug Hickey said his dad, now 67, spends his time at his ranch in Sayre, breeding prize-winning Appaloosa and quarter horses and "farming peanuts.

"He's working harder now than he ever was before, Doug Hickey joked.

Wade Hickey has continued an association with jet-setting television pitchman Tom Parks, producing commercials for dealerships across the country.

And Doug? He's still selling cars in Broken Arrow and continuing the same sort of stunts that made his father a household name.

The crane gimmick ended with the sale of the Oklahoma City dealership. A Tulsa dealer already had stolen the idea when Doug Hickey moved northeast and opened a Mitsubishi dealership. In 2004, he hired daredevil Evel Knievel to promote a Memorial Day weekend sale.

"We did a promotion where for every 10 cars sold that week, I'd try to jump one, Doug Hickey said. "He trained me to do the jump. We ended up selling 90 cars, and I jumped eight.

The corporate consolidation of dealerships, meanwhile, didn't work out as well as predicted. The Dodge dealership sold four times since 1996, and the current operation, Bob Moore Dodge, recently moved to Northwest Expressway.

For the first time in almost 40 years, no Dodges are for sale at I-44 and May Avenue.

The corporations, Hickey argues, thought they could take the old-fashioned "car guys out of sales and replace them with college-educated professionals.

"The success of Lynn Hickey Dodge was due to the people we had, Hickey said.

But could Lynn Hickey Dodge return to Oklahoma City? Hickey's dealership in Broken Arrow may soon close half the property already has been sold to the neighboring Northside Christian Church. The Hickeys still own the land at Interstate 44 and May Avenue.

"I don't have any plans right now, but it's always a possibility, Hickey said. "The Broken Arrow store came after we sold out in Oklahoma City I didn't want to get out of the car business.

soonerliberal
01-05-2014, 12:41 PM
I've bought gas at that Shell. It's E10. (Shell stations with E0 can be found along May at 36th and 50th.)

I don't think the ethanol gas really matters to people anymore. I have been in Charlotte, NC for 6 months now and have yet to find one store here or in SC that sells 100% gas (even QuickTrips or Loves). Everything is E10. There are plenty of people who drive pickup trucks and I haven't heard a single complaint or outrage. I think the no ethanol fad is over.

jn1780
01-05-2014, 12:43 PM
There's a poster on skyscrapercity that seems to think there's a Costco under construction in Broken Arrow (I believe), but I've never seen anything other than that one poster that seems to think a Costco is already UC there. No reports by the papers or news stations, no building permits, nothing. Just speculation.

I would find it hilarious if it turned out to be a Walmart or Sams and that poster falls into a deep depression. But, I know it is not a Walmart for the same reason it is not a Costco, there would have to be approvals and building permits. I dont get why this concept is difficult to understand. Once a building actually starts construction it is impossible to keep its identity a secret.

Pete
01-05-2014, 12:49 PM
I'm not familiar with the building permit system in Tulsa/BA, otherwise I could figure out exactly what this is.

But it seems highly unlikely that a project would start principal construction without an announcement. Why wouldn't Costco want to start building the buzz and excitement?

gjl
01-05-2014, 01:01 PM
I don't think the ethanol gas really matters to people anymore. I have been in Charlotte, NC for 6 months now and have yet to find one store here or in SC that sells 100% gas (even QuickTrips or Loves). Everything is E10. There are plenty of people who drive pickup trucks and I haven't heard a single complaint or outrage. I think the no ethanol fad is over.

It is not an issue when you have no choice. In OKC where we still have a choice and 100% gas is not hard to find there are a tons of people that detest the E10 gas and won't use it.

bluedogok
01-05-2014, 01:08 PM
It is not an issue when you have no choice. In OKC where we still have a choice and 100% gas is not hard to find there are a tons of people that detest the E10 gas and won't use it.
Yep, in Austin, San Antonio, DFW or Houston you have no choice. You had to go well out of the emission control counties of a metro area to find E0 gas. As much as Charlotte has grown I would imagine it is similar the Texas cities in EPA mandates. The ethanol free gas is much more important to small engines and vehicles that sit for awhile being unused. I do know that the owners manuals for the cars and my motorcycle say do not use anything with more than 10% ethanol.

ethansisson
01-05-2014, 04:18 PM
I don't think the ethanol gas really matters to people anymore. I have been in Charlotte, NC for 6 months now and have yet to find one store here or in SC that sells 100% gas (even QuickTrips or Loves). Everything is E10. There are plenty of people who drive pickup trucks and I haven't heard a single complaint or outrage. I think the no ethanol fad is over.

It's not over in OKC. I've never put ethanol in my car's tank and I won't as long as I have a choice.

If you can't get 100% gas, what do you put in your lawn mower? *shudder*

soonerliberal
01-05-2014, 06:06 PM
It's not over in OKC. I've never put ethanol in my car's tank and I won't as long as I have a choice.

If you can't get 100% gas, what do you put in your lawn mower? *shudder*

I live in a condo :) .... but there are 2 million people in the metro area here who somehow make it work.

bchris02
01-05-2014, 06:09 PM
I live in a condo :) .... but there are 2 million people in the metro area here who somehow make it work.

I agree. Before moving to OKC, I didn't realize they still had 100% non-ethanol gasoline. The EPA regulations in Charlotte are much stricter. There are many cars from the 1970s and 80s still on the road in OKC that couldn't be legally tagged in Mecklenburg County.

ethansisson
01-05-2014, 06:30 PM
I live in a condo :) .... but there are 2 million people in the metro area here who somehow make it work.

I guess there's some solution to it. :) I've never bothered to look into it since I have 100% gas available to me. I just can't help but remember trashing my dad's Husqvarna chainsaw in high school by running it on E10. Obviously a Toyota is not a chainsaw and my car would tolerate ethanol much better, but I've stayed away since then.

bluedogok
01-05-2014, 07:16 PM
It's not over in OKC. I've never put ethanol in my car's tank and I won't as long as I have a choice.

If you can't get 100% gas, what do you put in your lawn mower? *shudder*
E10 and Stabil is what I have to do. The only E0 that I can really find is VP Racing Fuel (friends who race) but it is very expensive even with no road taxes paid on it. The two stations on Pure-Gas.org listed here never seem to be open when I have been by them. They are on the other side of town so I am not driving by them often.

Two-strokes seem to be a bit more sensitive to it than 4-stroke engines.

Plutonic Panda
01-05-2014, 07:24 PM
I don't think the ethanol gas really matters to people anymore. I have been in Charlotte, NC for 6 months now and have yet to find one store here or in SC that sells 100% gas (even QuickTrips or Loves). Everything is E10. There are plenty of people who drive pickup trucks and I haven't heard a single complaint or outrage. I think the no ethanol fad is over.No it is not and I go out of my way to get E0 gas. Ethanol a) does absolutely nothing to help the environment(arguably makes it worse) b) rusts fuel tanks that are not set-up to be used with ethanol and c) reduces gas mileage. Many people still want E0 gas and I hope ethanol is done away with.

Plutonic Panda
01-05-2014, 07:24 PM
I live in a condo :) .... but there are 2 million people in the metro area here who somehow make it work.They're forced to; there is a difference.