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betts
12-20-2013, 09:48 PM
Shadid divorce records allege violent, drug-fueled past (http://www.okcfox.com/story/24277039/shadid-divorce-records-allege-violent-drug-fueled-past)

zookeeper
12-20-2013, 09:54 PM
Shadid divorce records allege violent, drug-fueled past (http://www.okcfox.com/story/24277039/shadid-divorce-records-allege-violent-drug-fueled-past)

Absolutely. There is a comment in the article above that if I knew was in the records, I would have done everything to keep them sealed as well. Imagine those three kids now knowing he said this and not being old enough to understand how people change and things are often said in a state of disassociation. He's apparently done a lot of soul searching and straightened out his life (according to he and his ex-wife). I would hope he'd have the decency now to drop out and keep those comments from being more than a one-day story and move on with his life. He had no business running for mayor in the first place.

soonerguru
12-20-2013, 09:55 PM
Wow. This is so much worse than I thought it would be. It's going to take me a while to process this. I'm speechless. This is beyond the pale. Disgusting.

ljbab728
12-20-2013, 09:59 PM
Shadid divorce records allege violent, drug-fueled past (http://www.okcfox.com/story/24277039/shadid-divorce-records-allege-violent-drug-fueled-past)

Oh my! Whether or not any of this is important to his ability to be mayor, I see no way he can survive this story. It's a killer for any political candidate. It appears that his children were well aware of the facts before this but I do feel sorry for them anyway. The only one responsible for any pain they may now feel is Ed.

zookeeper
12-20-2013, 10:10 PM
As much as I dislike candidate Ed Shadid, there was no reason for those comments to have been published. I'm sorry, I can only think of those three kids. If Ed didn't by entering the race in the first place, the media should have by withholding that Shadid quote. Look up my history - I've been a major critic of Ed Shadid. But I say again, some things are just more important than "piling on" and it was irresponsible to publish such private things said while in a completely different spot in his life. Ed should drop out now and let this just go away. But, I am ashamed that the media thought it important enough to publish that comment about the children. I'm old-fashioned and I admit it, but that was too much. Just too much. Those three children now live with this forever. Yes, Dad did it, Dad got into politics, but Dad didn't think all of this through and believe that comment would EVER come out. The media just proved they're just as bad as Dad in reporting such a comment regarding those three sweet kids (and they are from everything I've heard). Rises to level of tragedy, in my opinion. Ed - just get out. Media - it's not important now

SoonerDave
12-20-2013, 10:13 PM
Good heavens, this guy is thoroughly screwed up. Decades of drug abuse?? And the comment about the kids?? Seriously?

How many people wish they'd never put him as their freakin' councilor now?

This is waaay beyond politics or the mayor's race. This guy has issues. Serious issues. And if someone wants to tell me he's 100% cured of everything, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya....

Someone needs to have a heart-to-heart with this guy and tell him to get out of this before the fiasco grows any larger. This debacle serves no one now.

zookeeper
12-20-2013, 10:16 PM
Good heavens, this guy is thoroughly screwed up. Decades of drug abuse?? And the comment about the kids?? Seriously?

How many people wish they'd never put him as their freakin' councilor now?

This is waaay beyond politics or the mayor's race. This guy has issues. Serious issues. And if someone wants to tell me he's 100% cured of everything, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya....

Someone needs to have a heart-to-heart with this guy and tell him to get out of this before the fiasco grows any larger. This debacle serves no one now.

Dave, I don't like Ed Shadid. I said what I had to say about it above.
But for someone, like yourself, who writes regularly about their walk with Christ - that was not a very Christ-like post.
What would Jesus do? Your religious views mean nothing to anybody when you show so little compassion at times like this.

betts
12-20-2013, 10:16 PM
I wonder if that's the item the judge said she would have left sealed had he shown up today. It was obviously a very bitter divorce but his wife should not have given this information out during the proceedings either. There are very few things you can be sure will stay secret if you tell even one other person.

ljbab728
12-20-2013, 10:18 PM
As much as I dislike candidate Ed Shadid, there was no reason for those comments to have been published. I'm sorry, I can only think of those three kids. If Ed didn't by entering the race in the first place, the media should have by withholding that Shadid quote. Look up my history - I've been a major critic of Ed Shadid. But I say again, some things are just more important than "piling on" and it was irresponsible to publish such private things said while in a completely different spot in his life. Ed should drop out now and let this just go away. But, I am ashamed that the media thought it important enough to publish that comment about the children. I'm old-fashioned and I admit it, but that was too much. Just too much. Those three children now live with this forever. Yes, Dad did it, Dad got into politics, but Dad didn't think all of this through and believe that comment would EVER come out. The media just proved they're just as bad as Dad in reporting such a comment regarding those three sweet kids (and they are from everything I've heard). Rises to level of tragedy, in my opinion. Ed - just get out. Media - it's not important now

I certainly understand your thoughts but now that it's public record this information will come out one way or another. There is no point in not publishing it.

Steve
12-20-2013, 10:18 PM
I have no dog in this race. If you follow my writings, I've written things that were unappreciated by both candidates. My question: do we know that all of these allegations are true? Divorces get ugly.

kevinpate
12-20-2013, 10:18 PM
FYI, and this is not about his desire to be mayor.

My understanding is that addicts don't get cured. An Addict learns to curb and control his or her addiction(s). Some do so better than others. Some may choose to disagree, but the term cured is rather inconsistent with my experiences with friend, family and others who deal with various addictions.

soonerguru
12-20-2013, 10:19 PM
I don't know the context of this statement. But I also cannot understand in what context anyone could utter such a statement as this.

According to Fox 25's Rebecca Schleicher, Shadid said in reference to achieving sobriety: "Just kill the kids if I ever, if I ever go back. I hope the kids are raped and tortured."

This is just totally sick.

ljbab728
12-20-2013, 10:22 PM
I have no dog in this race. If you follow my writings, I've written things that were unappreciated by both candidates. My question: do we know that all of these allegations are true? Divorces get ugly.

Steve, of course divorces get ugly and sometimes false statements are made. Since his ex-wife is supposed to be behind him now would she be willing to say that the statements were incorrect and did he deny ever making those comments or deny any of the other allegations?

betts
12-20-2013, 10:22 PM
The judge was not the only person his wife told. I'd heard some of this at least a year ago from people she told. But we'll never know. If his wife now says she made it all up, which version of the truth is true?

And why plead the fifth during the divorce? If he denied everything at that time, it would have simply been her word against his.

zookeeper
12-20-2013, 10:24 PM
I certainly understand your thoughts but now that it's public record this information will come out one way or another. There is no point in not publishing it.

I suppose you are right. My own reaction to this has caught me by surprise. I've haven't hidden my distaste for Shadid. But, I'm really questioning a lot of things now.

boscorama
12-20-2013, 10:24 PM
Ewwww. Yuck!

SoonerDave
12-20-2013, 10:26 PM
Dave, I don't like Ed Shadid. I said what I had to say about it above. But for someone who writes regularly about their walk with Christ - that was not a very Christ-like post.

What do you think is not Christ-like?

I took the information from the facts available and concluded that the guy has serious issues. He does. Is that not appropriate?

If he has the myriad issues described in that article, I find it very difficult to believe he's presently entirely "cured" of them. Again, why is that not Christ-like?

If he has these issues, they do go way beyond politics. Why is that observation not Christ-like?

He needs to be out of this race. Why is that observation not Christ-like?

Christ was all about directly confronting the real issues that real people faced. He faced the woman at the well. He faced the rich man. He did not ignore the realities that were in front of Him.

If taking the direct court records and drawing the conclusions about his obvious problems is not Christ-like, I'd like to understand how. I didn't judge him. I didn't say he was condemned or going to Hell. In fact, I tried to express the importance of him getting out of this race now to avoid further exposure that damages him and his family.

Do I hope he exorcises these demons? Of course. I hope he comes to a saving knowledge of Christ as well. But he has no business in public office.

Plutonic Panda
12-20-2013, 10:26 PM
"Just kill the kids if I ever, if I ever go back, I hope the kids are raped and tortured."Is there any proof that he ever said this?

I am willing to bet some of these things were stretched and distorted. Going through a divorce is tough and I'm not defending Ed, but some here really attack the guy on every small thing and it is unprofessional and not worth it.

The guy has made some mistakes and needs to own up to them. He needs to look within himself and sort some things out. Ed Shadid does not belong in any position of power for years to come and should never be mayor of OKC, imo. The guy obviously needs help.

soonerguru
12-20-2013, 10:28 PM
I know many people who have gone through tough divorces, but I cannot imagine anyone saying what Shadid is reported to have said.

Also, there appears to be a lot more to this story than The Gazette reported. I saw references to "choking" his wife, "free basing" cocaine. What casual user of cocaine free bases? I've never done coke but I would imagine If I would have, I would have started out snorting a few lines before advancing to free basing, which I understand is a complicated and dangerous endeavor.

Plutonic Panda
12-20-2013, 10:28 PM
The judge was not the only person his wife told. I'd heard some of this at least a year ago from people she told. But we'll never know. If his wife now says she made it all up, which version of the truth is true?

And why plead the fifth during the divorce? If he denied everything at that time, it would have simply been her word against his.It is a right to do so.

ljbab728
12-20-2013, 10:29 PM
Is there any proof that he ever said this?

Plupan, without a recording there can be no more evidence about this than there is about a statement supposedly made in any court case. As I said, it will be interesting to see if either he or his wife now say that it was not said.

Plutonic Panda
12-20-2013, 10:29 PM
I know many people who have gone through tough divorces, but I cannot imagine anyone saying what Shadid is reported to have said.

Also, there appears to be a lot more to this story than The Gazette reported. I saw references to "choking" his wife, "free basing" cocaine. What casual user of cocaine free bases? I've never done coke but I would imagine If I would have, I would have started our snorting a few lines before advancing to free basing, which I understand is a complicated and dangerous endeavor.I do to and I have heard pretty bad things. Also, how do you know he even said that?

soonerguru
12-20-2013, 10:30 PM
If people thought the Toronto mayoral allegations were bad, this certainly takes things to a different level. OKC is about to receive some unwanted national media coverage.

Plutonic Panda
12-20-2013, 10:32 PM
Plupan, without a recording there can be no more evidence about this than there is about a statement supposedly made in any court case.That is what I'm saying, so there is no reason to get worked up over a comment that may or may not have been said. Stop demonizing this guy. I am sure he loves his kids to death and wants what is best for OKC, he just has his own ideas of what to do; they just happen to be--unfortunately for him--horrible ones.

ljbab728
12-20-2013, 10:33 PM
If people thought the Toronto mayoral allegations were bad, this certainly takes things to a different level. OKC is about to receive some unwanted national media coverage.

Well, we don't need to be the subject of one of Jay Leno's monologues again.

soonerguru
12-20-2013, 10:34 PM
I do to and I have heard pretty bad things. Also, how do you know he even said that?

I don't know about the statement I quoted. However, in the story on Fox, a lot of the allegations, such as the drug use references, were actually admitted to by Shadid. Not sure if he admitted to the disgusting quote, but I guess we will know soon enough.

Regardless, as you pointed out, this guy should be nowhere near public office of any kind.

Plutonic Panda
12-20-2013, 10:35 PM
If people thought the Toronto mayoral allegations were bad, this certainly takes things to a different level. OKC is about to receive some unwanted national media coverage.We'll see. . . Wasn't the Toronto mayor the actual mayor and not a candidate?

Oh, and Toronto is a world class Tier 1 city in the ranks of NYC. OKC is not as likely to receive the kind of media attention much larger cities would. I bet if this were NYC, this would be big, but not that big, seeing as Ed Shadid is not the mayor.

betts
12-20-2013, 10:35 PM
The story says his wife allegedly recorded those words. And I agree that we all have the right to refuse to incriminate ourselves, but a lot of us would have no reason to need to do so.

SouthsideSooner
12-20-2013, 10:36 PM
"Documents show quotes from Shadid allegedly recorded by his ex-wife. She said Shadid was talking about achieving sobriety and staying out of rehab and said:

"Just kill the kids if I ever, if I ever go back, I hope the kids are raped and tortured."

zookeeper
12-20-2013, 10:37 PM
What do you think is not Christ-like?

I took the information from the facts available and concluded that the guy has serious issues. He does. Is that not appropriate?

If he has the myriad issues described in that article, I find it very difficult to believe he's presently entirely "cured" of them. Again, why is that not Christ-like?

If he has these issues, they do go way beyond politics. Why is that observation not Christ-like?

He needs to be out of this race. Why is that observation not Christ-like?

Christ was all about directly confronting the real issues that real people faced. He faced the woman at the well. He faced the rich man. He did not ignore the realities that were in front of Him.

If taking the direct court records and drawing the conclusions about his obvious problems is not Christ-like, I'd like to understand how. I didn't judge him. I didn't say he was condemned or going to Hell. In fact, I tried to express the importance of him getting out of this race now to avoid further exposure that damages him and his family.

Do I hope he exorcises these demons? Of course. I hope he comes to a saving knowledge of Christ as well. But he has no business in public office.

Well, for one, you began your post: "Good heavens, this guy is thoroughly screwed up." It just didn't come across as Christ-like, compassionate (for all involved) to me. I read your "Christian" posts and they mean nothing to me anymore. Ironically, you mentioned the woman at the well, maybe you should read that story again. He handled that in a completely opposite way than what you wrote and how you wrote it. But then again, evangelicals aren't exactly known for paying too much attention to those parts of the New Testament anyway.

Sorry, this whole thing has stunned me. From Shadid AND from the media to print this. But I sure hate to see the "Christians" here act so judgmental and pure.

Plutonic Panda
12-20-2013, 10:39 PM
I don't know about the statement I quoted. However, in the story on Fox, a lot of the allegations, such as the drug use references, were actually admitted to by Shadid. Not sure if he admitted to the disgusting quote, but I guess we will know soon enough.

Regardless, as you pointed out, this guy should be nowhere near public office of any kind.I agree with you that Ed should never be in any kind of public office and really any sort of important decision making process for a long time if ever. I'm just trying to keep things in perspective here. If he really did say that, I don't know what else to say.

Saying something that sinister is really hard to forget or forgive. If he did say that, maybe he was drunk, on drugs, or maybe both.

soonerguru
12-20-2013, 10:40 PM
He also clearly has lied to the public about the nature of why he wanted to keep these records sealed.

His alleged involvement with gay prostitutes doesn't bother me that much, however, the allegations that he 1) watched porn in front of his kids, and 2) choked his wife I find very disturbing. I will say that even his alleged free basing of cocaine wouldn't bother me that much on its own, but considering these things allegedly happened while he was married with kids is not comforting.

Plutonic Panda
12-20-2013, 10:40 PM
The story says his wife allegedly recorded those words. And I agree that we all have the right to refuse to incriminate ourselves, but a lot of us would have no reason to need to do so.Alright, well she will either need to show the evidence or it will be nothing but a story with no credibility.

Plutonic Panda
12-20-2013, 10:42 PM
He also clearly has lied to the public about the nature of why he wanted to keep these records sealed.

His alleged involvement with gay prostitutes doesn't bother me that much, however, the allegations that he 1) watched porn in front of his kids, and 2) choked his wife I find very disturbing. I will say that even his alleged free basing of cocaine wouldn't bother me that much on its own, but considering these things allegedly happened while he was married with kids is not comforting.Yeah, now the porn in front of the kids was extremely disturbing. I don't know how someone could do that and why she allowed that to happen is beyond me. Is that even legal to do something like that?

I also did not know about him choking his wife, I must of missed that part in the article.

soonerguru
12-20-2013, 10:43 PM
"Documents show quotes from Shadid allegedly recorded by his ex-wife. She said Shadid was talking about achieving sobriety and staying out of rehab and said:

"Just kill the kids if I ever, if I ever go back, I hope the kids are raped and tortured."

There's a recording of this? I would think this recording would sink any political campaign on any level, and would probably cause people to lose their jobs. Who would say something like this? As Plutonic Panda points out, perhaps he was very high on drugs, but I've done numerous substances in my life and I cannot imagine saying something of that nature.

SoonerDave
12-20-2013, 10:46 PM
Dave, I don't like Ed Shadid. I said what I had to say about it above.
But for someone, like yourself, who writes regularly about their walk with Christ - that was not a very Christ-like post.
What would Jesus do? Your religious views mean nothing to anybody when you show so little compassion at times like this.

zoo, I'm going to reply to this again since you modified your previous post and emphasized certain aspects of mine.

1. Do you not think there exists a non-trivial number of people that wish they were privy to this information before they voted him as their councilor?
2. If he's truly "addicted" as many offer, there's a fairly standard holding that addicts are never truly "cured." He's worked very hard to project the image that those issues are behind him. I think that's disingenuous if addictions are what's at hand.

What would Jesus do? He would not ignore these issues and pretend they were gone. He told the woman at the well that the man she was living with wasn't her husband. He charged her to go and sin no more. He turned over the moneychanger's tables outside the synagogue for making a mockery of giving to the church. He did not ignore wrong in the name of compassion.

I appreciate the fact that you've seen my references regarding my faith in Christ in my other posts here, and if I've said something inappropriate or offensive in that light, one that diminishes what you see of Christ in me, then I have to be accountable for it. Perhaps the wording was too strident. But whom is in the greatest need for compassion? I don't think of just Ed, I think of his kids, or perhaps even his extended family who is now living through this exposition. But I stand behind my opinion that he has no business anywhere near public office, and the folks who voted for him have every right to wish they had known who they were electing. Lastly, I stand by my assertion that the very best thing he can do now is get out of this race, and frankly away from his council seat, for the benefit of those kids he was presumably trying to protect.

Plutonic Panda
12-20-2013, 10:47 PM
There's a recording of this? I would think this recording would sink any political campaign on any level, and would probably cause people to lose their jobs. Who would say something like this? As Plutonic Panda points out, perhaps he was very high on drugs, but I've done numerous substances in my life and I cannot imagine saying something of that nature.Yeah and to really answer the main question of this thread, I do think he should drop out and resign from his current position as a ward councilman.

ljbab728
12-20-2013, 10:48 PM
Alright, well she will either need to show the evidence or it will be nothing but a story with no credibility.
plupan, I would think that information about a recording would have been produced in court if it was needed. Someone who would say in court that they had something recorded and couldn't back that up would be very stupid.

soonerguru
12-20-2013, 10:49 PM
Yeah, now the porn in front of the kids was extremely disturbing. I don't know how someone could do that and why she allowed that to happen is beyond me. Is that even legal to do something like that?

I also did not know about him choking his wife, I must of missed that part in the article.

That was reported on Channel 9.

Plutonic Panda
12-20-2013, 10:50 PM
plupan, I would think that information about a recording would have been produced in court if it was needed. Someone who would say in court that they had something recorded and couldn't back that up would be very stupid.Ok, so where is it? Are we just supposed to assume it existed because they stated in court they had a recording?

soonerguru
12-20-2013, 10:53 PM
Ok, so where is it? Are we just supposed to assume it existed because they stated in court they had a recording?

I'm sure we're going to know more when the Oklahoman comes out with its story. As for me, I've seen enough to indicate the guy should drop out of the race -- and resign his council seat. I'm also regretful that I worked to help him get elected in the first place.

I understand many people go through hard times, but Ed Shadid is not fit to be mayor, and he has not been honest with the citizens of OKC about his past -- or his campaign positions.

Plutonic Panda
12-20-2013, 10:58 PM
I can agree with that! I just want to keep things in perspective and not get all bent out of shape about things we don't whether are true or not.

SouthsideSooner
12-20-2013, 11:02 PM
What kind of man chooses to remain in the race and have this unsealed and become public record instead of dropping out and it remained sealed?...seriously? Apparently his kids reading these things are less important...

He went negative from the jump and I can only imagine the TV spots that will run leading up to the election...

What affect is this likely to have on his medical practice?

His ego is truely out of control...

zookeeper
12-20-2013, 11:14 PM
What kind of man chooses to remain in the race and have this unsealed and become public record instead of dropping out and it remained sealed?...seriously? Apparently his kids reading these things are less important...

He went negative from the jump and I can only imagine the TV spots that will run leading up to the election...

What affect is this likely to have on his medical practice?

His ego is truley out of control...

I don't think there was ever a suggestion of a quid pro quo. The Oklahoman wasn't blackmailing him out of the race - or else they'd publish the records.

I think he simply has to get out now. Not a moment too soon.

ljbab728
12-20-2013, 11:15 PM
Ok, so where is it? Are we just supposed to assume it existed because they stated in court they had a recording?


I don't know where it is and don't care. If you want to file perjury charges against someone for saying it exists when it doesn't that is always a possibility. I doubt very seriously that will happen because I don't think a lawyer would allow a client to make a statement like that without being able to back it up. In any case, I don't think the audio will be posted here for you to listen to.

ljbab728
12-20-2013, 11:18 PM
He went negative from the jump and I can only imagine the TV spots that will run leading up to the election...

If you're thinking that Mick will bring this up in any TV spots, don't hold your breath. I expect him to stay completely away from this issue.

SouthsideSooner
12-20-2013, 11:20 PM
If you're thinking that Mick will bring this up in any TV spots, don't hold your breath. I expect him to stay completely away from this issue.

Mick won't and doesn't need to... It will be something along the lines of "Citizens for..."

SoonerDave
12-20-2013, 11:25 PM
Well, for one, you began your post: "Good heavens, this guy is thoroughly screwed up." It just didn't come across as Christ-like, compassionate (for all involved) to me. I read your "Christian" posts and they mean nothing to me anymore. Ironically, you mentioned the woman at the well, maybe you should read that story again. He handled that in a completely opposite way than what you wrote and how you wrote it. But then again, evangelicals aren't exactly known for paying too much attention to those parts of the New Testament anyway.

Sorry, this whole thing has stunned me. From Shadid AND from the media to print this. But I sure hate to see the "Christians" here act so judgmental and pure.

Zoo, the man is messed up. Are you saying that he isn't?

Again, I do not back down for a second that Christ never ignored wrong in the name of compassion. He offered her the fount of life from Him, and still encouraged her to "sin no more." If that's still a misreading as far as your concerned, and from there you're going to put me into whatever box you choose, there's nothing I can do about it.

If it comes to compassion and judgmentalism, I respectfully would offer that you need to take a look in your own mirror about how you've packaged, judged, and condemned me on the basis of your own notions of how "evangelicals...(don't) pay too much attention to those parts of the New Testament." You obviously have broader issues with "evangelicals," and for whatever reason found a way to lump me into a pile you've already marked down in your own mind.

I'm not going to further derail this thread into a theological discussion. Ed Shadid is as open to salvation as any one that has ever lived. Christ died for him as much as he did you or me. It is not lacking compassion to make the obvious assertion that the man has serious, serious issues facing him - issues that go way beyond the boundaries of politics. If making that statement offends you, or the phrasing I used in making that statement offends you, I'm sorry. Maybe I need some compassion, too :)

I'm finished with this aspect of the thread. zoo, you're going to get the last word on me...

SouthsideSooner
12-20-2013, 11:28 PM
I don't think there was ever a suggestion of a quid pro quo. The Oklahoman wasn't blackmailing him out of the race - or else they'd publish the records.

I think he simply has to get out now. Not a moment too soon.

I don't think so either but had he chosen to back out and resign his public office, he would have had a very strong argument to keep the records sealed...

gjl
12-20-2013, 11:52 PM
What makes a person even consider running for public office with these kinds of skeletons in their closet? In this day and age, do they really think this kind of stuff won't eventually come out?

ljbab728
12-20-2013, 11:53 PM
Mick won't and doesn't need to... It will be something along the lines of "Citizens for..."

I don't expect that either. It would be a total waste of money and not needed.

soonerguru
12-21-2013, 12:18 AM
I can agree with that! I just want to keep things in perspective and not get all bent out of shape about things we don't whether are true or not.

The stuff that we know is true is already enough. He lied to keep this secret. He said it was only about his pot addiction. BS. He also lied about his position on MAPS and other stuff, too, so there's that. The guy is anything but "transparent," though, so let's put that mythology to rest.

Midtowner
12-21-2013, 08:12 AM
Good heavens, this guy is thoroughly screwed up. Decades of drug abuse?? And the comment about the kids?? Seriously?

How many people wish they'd never put him as their freakin' councilor now?

This is waaay beyond politics or the mayor's race. This guy has issues. Serious issues. And if someone wants to tell me he's 100% cured of everything, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya....

Someone needs to have a heart-to-heart with this guy and tell him to get out of this before the fiasco grows any larger. This debacle serves no one now.

The records also say he should have 50% parenting time with the kids. I'll trust the expert who evaluated this couple over a few unfortunate happenings in their past.

That said, focusing on what is actually relevant, i.e., his tenure as the Councilman of Ward 2, he should drop out of the race. He is not mayor material.

hoya
12-21-2013, 08:12 AM
I wonder what Edgar thinks about this.

catcherinthewry
12-21-2013, 08:23 AM
I read your "Christian" posts and they mean nothing to me anymore.


But I sure hate to see the "Christians" here act so judgmental and pure.

That is hilarious! Talk about being judgmental.

betts
12-21-2013, 08:25 AM
Ultimately, voters are going to have to decide what is important to them. I thought Councilman Shadid was a poor choice for mayor long before any of this information came out. I think he is dishonest and manipulative, and that's based on behavior I've observed over the past two years, not something that happened before and during a divorce. I think he has grandiose goals, without workable plans for implementing them. I'm sure he wants to make amends for past behavior, but I don't think our city and its future owe him the right to make it and us the vehicle of his redemption.

Here are some problems with addiction, outlined by the National Institutes of Health. It's food for thought. Every person is different, but as a population, these are some facts about people who have suffered with addiction.:

"Addiction is a chronic, often relapsing brain disease that causes compulsive drug seeking and use, despite harmful consequences to the addicted individual and to those around him or her. Alt-hough the initial decision to take drugs is voluntary for most people, the brain changes that occur over time challenge an addicted person’s self control and hamper his or her ability to resist intense impulses to take drugs.

Similar to other chronic, relapsing diseases, such as diabetes, asthma, or heart disease, drug addiction can be managed successfully. And as with other chronic diseases, it is not uncommon for a person to relapse and begin abusing drugs again. Relapse, however, does not signal treatment failure—rather, it indicates that treatment should be reinstated or adjusted or that an alternative treatment is needed to help the individual regain control and recover.

Long-term abuse causes changes in other brain chemical systems and circuits as well. Glutamate is a neurotransmitter that influences the reward circuit and the ability to learn. When the optimal concentration of glutamate is altered by drug abuse, the brain attempts to compensate, which can impair cognitive function. Brain imaging studies of drug-addicted individuals show changes in areas of the brain that are critical to judgment, decision making, learning and memory, and behavior control."

DrugFacts: Understanding Drug Abuse and Addiction | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) (http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/understanding-drug-abuse-addiction)

Stew
12-21-2013, 09:09 AM
Eh, the oklahoman article did nothing to lower my opinion of Shadid and I doubt I'm alone on here in that. And yes he should drop out but that was true before all this. I almost feel sorry for the guy. Almost.

Pete
12-21-2013, 09:15 AM
I have no dog in this race. If you follow my writings, I've written things that were unappreciated by both candidates. My question: do we know that all of these allegations are true? Divorces get ugly.

Exactly.

How many times are men accused of all kinds of things in divorce proceedings, including child molestation and the like?


People will say terrible things to try and discredit the other person, especially when custody issues are involved.

I've had several good friends who were accused of the most vile things imaginable by their now ex-wives, and of course none of it was substantiated or likely even remotely true.

The fact his ex-wife is so supportive of him now tells me that she must respect the man.


Ugh, I can't believe this race has come down to the sorrid details of a divorce proceeding.

Pete
12-21-2013, 09:55 AM
I will also say this: I am a very clean-living person who has literally never even smoked pot, yet I would be mortified if a spurned and motivated ex was allowed to place into court proceedings and thus public record any and all wild, hurt-fueled accusations and opinions.

Absolutely no one would look good when cast in this light.


As an example, one of my best friends went through a very ugly divorce. His wife cheated on him and ultimately left, and continued the relationship with the new lover, even though he himself was married. They had two school-aged kids.

I knew both the man and wife very well in this situation, and considered her a close friend as well. And I happened to know for a fact my male friend was an absolutely fantastic father and husband, helping out around the house, leaving work early to pick the kids up from school, providing a beautiful home and unlimited spending money for his wife.

So, when she cheated, left and filed for divorce, I thought, "How on earth can she spin this? What is she telling her parents and friends?" You just knew she had to find the right way to save face.

And then the divorce proceedings began and it all came out: He was verbally abusive, had a terrible temper, paid her no attention... She feared for the children's safety due to his outbursts. (Nevermind they had never even had a heated argument in their 10-year marriage.)

She had to say something, so that's what she said. She certainly didn't need any proof or witnesses, but if you read their divorce proceedings it's all in there. He never said anything negative about her, other than she cheated which was completely true. She ended up marrying the new guy the DAY her alimony expired.


This is what happens when people divorce and I personally would not put stock into anything an ex-wife says in the heat of these battles.

soonerguru
12-21-2013, 10:07 AM
Eh, the oklahoman article did nothing to lower my opinion of Shadid and I doubt I'm alone on here in that. And yes he should drop out but that was true before all this. I almost feel sorry for the guy. Almost.

The Oklahoman article?