Is anyone else bothered with this?

I tried to comment on a You Tube video and I had to agree to have a
google + account. Why would anyone want a g+ account?

I don't like it. I don't want a google + account. Heck, I just got rid of
mine.

This is probably going to be a shocker for you... I'm a huge fan of the changes. :D

Do the comments still contain racist rants and bizarre ramblings about President Obama after the changes?

Do the comments still contain racist rants and bizarre ramblings about
President Obama after the changes?
Not where I post. I'm mostly involved with music.

As a matter of fact, I can't stand racism. It serves no purpose.

This is probably going to be a shocker for you... I'm a huge fan of the
changes. :D
Can't say one way or the other.

Is anyone else bothered with this?

I tried to comment on a You Tube video and I had to agree to have a
google + account. Why would anyone want a g+ account?

I don't like it. I don't want a google + account. Heck, I just got rid of
mine.

Don't blame you one bit. In fact, Google has been increasing their leverage in trying to force people into G+ accounts in a way to prop up what amounts to their answer to Facebook, and these days I'm shrinking, rather than expanding, my "online" presence if you will. You can't comment on apps in the Google Play store w/o a G+ account, and I simply refuse, so I just don't comment on apps in the GP store.

Google is making lots of asinine moves as of late. For inexplicable reasons, they completely screwed up the Google Maps app, which was an absolutely brilliant integration of conventional/tablet based access with mobile devices - create a map on Google Maps, save it to My Maps, and you could then load it into Google Maps and Navigation on your Android. That was one of the things that made the Android platform so attractive from a user perspective - GPS without paying Garmin a penny for what seemed perennially new products that were little more than map updates. Now, Google has purpoesly rremoved this very feature, only promising to "restore it in the future" (which I think is code for "while we think of new ways to screw it up when we DO bring it back." And that doesn't even speak to how they've reworked the guts of Maps into a buggy, nearly unusable tool. Talk about screwing up a good thing.....but I digress...

Google is making lots of asinine moves as of late. For inexplicable reasons, they completely screwed up the Google Maps app, which was an absolutely brilliant integration of conventional/tablet based access with mobile devices . . . Now, Google has purpoesly rremoved this very feature, only promising to "restore it in the future" (which I think is code for "while we think of new ways to screw it up when we DO bring it back." And that doesn't even speak to how they've reworked the guts of Maps into a buggy, nearly unusable tool. Talk about screwing up a good thing.....but I digress...

I think this is representative of the vast majority of "IT" "enhancements" to just about everything "computer related" . . . The most recent "improvements" to just about everything are exactly the opposite of improvements. I sometimes think the most recent generation of "programmers" is related to that banjo-picking kid in Deliverance.

Considering I don't pay for YouTube I can't complain too much.

Considering I don't pay for YouTube I can't complain too much.
It's truly amazing, isn't it, how much people complain about services that they do not pay a dime for...

That's because the service is only a delivery vehicle for the product. And the product is NOT the video. The product is YOU.

It's truly amazing, isn't it, how much people complain about services that they do not pay a dime for...

That would be true if one limits their thinking only to currency payments. I'm a vehicle for Google to make money. They're making sizable advertising revenues based on my use of their services. So I will gladly and loudly complain EVERY time they screw something help and have not the slightest compunction about it whatsoever. The degree to which that offends someone else's tender sensibilities bothers me not in the slightest.

That would be true if one limits their thinking only to currency payments. I'm a vehicle for Google to make money. They're making sizable advertising revenues based on my use of their services. So I will gladly and loudly complain EVERY time they screw something help and have not the slightest compunction about it whatsoever. The degree to which that offends someone else's tender sensibilities bothers me not in the slightest.
You could always stop using their services... kinda like those who complain about television programming can always change the channel or stop watching television.

You could always stop using their services... kinda like those who complain about television programming can always change the channel or stop watching television.

Which is precisely why I don't watch 90% of network television AND downloaded the MapQuest navigation tool once Google Maps was put in the dumper by Google. Amazing how I came up with that idea without consult of the Internet, eh? :) I believe public pressure can effect change, too, so griping about stupid decisions on the part of Google is merely my vain attempt in that regard.

It's truly amazing, isn't it, how much people complain about services that they do not pay a dime for...

The complainers would rather not forget Internet service isn't free every month.

This thread is hilarious since the OP worships at the altar of the unrestricted and unregulated free market.....until it affects him personally, then the whining commenced. :wink:

Which is precisely why I don't watch 90% of network television AND downloaded the MapQuest navigation tool once Google Maps was put in the dumper by Google. Amazing how I came up with that idea without consult of the Internet, eh? :) I believe public pressure can effect change, too, so griping about stupid decisions on the part of Google is merely my vain attempt in that regard.
Fair enough. I have no quibbles with that.

This thread is hilarious since the OP worships at the altar of the unrestricted and unregulated free market.....until it affects him personally, then the whining commenced. :wink:

Umm, is the customer (or in Youtube's case - the merchandise) allowed to voice their opinion in a free market? What you described is how the fascist/socialist/communist approach business; you will like what we make.

Umm, is the customer (or in Youtube's case - the merchandise) allowed to voice their opinion in a free market? What you described is how the fascist/socialist/communist approach business; you will like what we make.

Of course voicing opinions is allowed - as is being amused by the "free market can do no wrong - until it affects me" nature of the op.

I'll buy that then. In my book, the only people who make more mistakes than government is business. Both seem to be fixated on short term gains, even if it cost them long-term loses.

I have a different perspective on the commenting change - but I do agree its TERRIBLE.

I'm a YouTube Partner and have been for several years. This just basically means YouTube pays me based on my views.

Partners were told the changes to the commenting feature were to clean up the comments by taking away some of the anonymity.

I call BS - they could have integrated Facebook then if that's all they wanted to do. Fact is Google+ is/was a huge flop and they are trying to force membership to boast fake stats.

Regardless, as a YouTube Partner my interaction with commenters has been hurt greatly. So much so I don't even bother to approve comments anymore and just let them stack up in the queue for the vast majority.

Before it was very easy to maintain.

The YT Partner forums overwhelming hate the new system.

As one who has never ever commented on a You Tube video, doesn't have a Facebook or Twitter account, what I've noticed lately about watching videos on You Tube lately is they seem to be choppier than they ever were and the audio breaks up a lot. I don't know if it is something they have done different on their end or not, but it seemed to coincide with the changes in the way the comments are displayed.

Incorrect and massivly incorrect. Why would you just make that up man?

Exactly how is that statement incorrect?

As of its inception and up to the present its gone from a miserable failure to possibly just a failure.

Will it catch on 'some day' - who knows, but I'm talking about right now.

And no, I'm not one of those people who only see's Google+ as 'another Facebook.' I see their big picture. But they aren't there yet and their commenting change to YouTube is disastrous as of now.

Of course, it just hit me, I'm arguing with someone who said all a company needs is a Facebook page.

I never have commented on you tube. I just hoard video's on my private channel.

More than eight years after uploading the first video on YouTube, in response to YouTube's change to using Google+ for its comment system, Jawed Karim (co-founder of the popular video sharing website) returned to his original YouTube account on November 7, 2013, asking, "why the f**k do i need a google+ account to comment on a video?", expressing his frustration at YouTube's mandatory integration with Google+.

That's a billionaire problem if I ever heard one right there :D

That's a billionaire problem if I ever heard one right there :D

He is only a multi-millionaire. Get it right ;)

Exactly how is that statement incorrect?

As of its inception and up to the present its gone from a miserable failure to possibly just a failure.

Will it catch on 'some day' - who knows, but I'm talking about right now.

And no, I'm not one of those people who only see's Google+ as 'another Facebook.' I see their big picture. But they aren't there yet and their commenting change to YouTube is disastrous as of now.

Of course, it just hit me, I'm arguing with someone who said all a company needs is a Facebook page.

While I'm not entirely sure I am quite the fan of G+ and the broader Google "infrastructure" that Sid is, I don't quite think I'm ready to label G+ a failure, and I think Sid articulated the point(s) why pretty well. They're using it for a massive amount of what you could generalize as "infrastructure research," not just to get public signups for the sake of boosting their public presence. To the seemingly ever-decreasing extent that its possible these days, I'm a privacy-centric kinda guy, and I personally don't like the loss of anonymity. Not because I'm doing anything sinister, but I'm simply reticent to allow any more of my personal information out there than I realize is already there, particularly because so many nutjobs are out there that mine that info just as much as business entities do.

G+ is surely not as ubiquitous on the surface as Facebook, but we also see Facebook trying to do at least some of the kinds of things Google has already done, because I think they may have a better handle on how to push the "envelope" forward than Facebook. The reality for FB is that they're no longer trendy - I don't post there much anymore, and neither of my kids uses it much, either - its already passe to them (and, apparently, an increasing number of their friends). I think Google is trying to build something a lot bigger than just a way to say "I'm at the 7-11 eating a snickers," while I'm not at all sure FB has quite so grand a vision.

Think the next big Google thing is Hangouts, and a lot of underlying integration is going to take place there in the near future, especially in conjunction with Google Voice. Interesting to see how that plays out.

Still not a fan of G+ myself, just 'cuz. :)

The only time that Youtube sort of pissed me off was when they banned that guy ("boopkid"?) who uploaded all those videos showing old 45rpm records being played on a phonograph (along with audio). I think they (Youtube) has since recanted on their exile of the dude, but they may have re-recanted.

I don't have a Google+ account. I'm not going to create a Google+ account. Guess that means I can't comment on YouTube videos. Oh well.

Turns out, once I thought back, I have a Google+ account.
Also turns out it gets used less than my razor.

Let's be intellectually honest here. Sid, while Google+ is not exactly a failure it's also not a stunning success story. It has been in an almost continuous state of morphing from one thing to another. And yes, many in the industry believe that the YouTube commenting policy was a deliberate ploy to inflate the numbers of Google+ users. Your attempting to deny that is ridiculous. You can be a big fan without being a complete fanboy. Edit: I think this assessment on Mashable from June is probably pretty close to accurate. http://mashable.com/2013/06/28/google-plus-2-years/ (The only thing is, since that article, what they had gained in credibility has been really shaken with this latest YouTube integration - which DOES feel forced.... because it is.)

Sid, You used to be a very kind and thoughtful poster here at OKCTalk. You have become combative with so many over so many different things lately. I'm wondering if your move (or upcoming move?) to Seattle has brought on a lot of stress, but seriously, you're whole persona has changed. You always came across as very informed, but never cocky or condescending. That's changed. I hope you'll step back and take note of the difference.

There's not too many things on the internet that I find more disgusting than the comment section on YouTube. If google can find a way to de-jerk it then I'm all in favor of it.

There's not too many things on the internet that I find more disgusting than the comment section on YouTube.

Well do I have some websites to show you, then.

I don't have a Google+ account. I'm not going to create a Google+ account. Guess that means I can't comment on YouTube videos. Oh well.

Dude . . . Like, how can you live without that "power"?
(as i recently said elsewhere, imho: are The Designers the spawn of The Deliverance Banjo Player Kid and Their Ilk? 'R whut? =)
(jest axin' . . . =)

I reckon' I'll have to throw up my hands in protest and wring them for awhile until stuff improves.
(thanks for that, zookeeper. on account of i'm non-"religious" . . . i hope that all o' that doesn't get confused with a prayer=)

As a semi-pro photographer...there are some things I like about Google+...But mostly it just sucks.

Exactly.

Wow Brian.

I never said all a company needs is a Facebook Page. I said there is nothing wrong with a company simply using a Facebook Page as their first and primary way to reach their customers. But feel free to twist something else I've said in the past for cheap shots.

Why do you assume it to be a failure? What was a success to you going to look like? I ask because you apparently know the answer to the question and are quite sure of your position that you can measure Google+ from having "gone from a miserable failure to possibly just a failure".

You're just arguing from ignorance. Google+ is hardly a failure by the industry's standards and certainly not Google's.

Catch on some day? You must just not use it I guess. I feel like I'm having a conversation with Prunepicker now. Where do we start when you're assumptions are so obviously biased and unfounded? Where would you like us to begin? I'll let you decide.

I simply contend that: Google+ is not a miserable failure and is in fact a success for Google as they work to expand their catalogue of identities and better understand their users.

Let's call this exhibit A:

With 1.5 billion image uploads per week, Google+ focuses in on photography (http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/29/google-plus-photos-create-an-audience/)



I use it every day, which is of course anecdotal. But every day there are dozens and dozens of new posts from people I have added there to read through. I certainly don't lack for content. The Communities are great and expanding nicely. Some of the Math ones are my favorites because of the global appeal of the subject. Google is nice enough to translate posts from other languages so it makes the whole conversation really inspiring.

Again, you pick the starting point. Users, velocity, business accpetance...whatever it is, how would you like to prove your assertions. Seriously, pick any metric you'd like.


The best part is virtually everything you throw at me is basically the mirror image of your own tone and attitude. When you say "I disagree that a restaurant must have a website. I think a well-filled Facebook Page works just fine since you can make them public and anyone (even those without a Facebook account) can see them." It obviously reads that a company doesn't need a website (which is what we BOTH said) and that a Facebook page works instead (which IS what you said). I don't see the point you were trying to make in your rebuttal. You basically just confirmed what I said. No 'twisting' and hardly a 'cheap shot.'

I say I think its a failure and your attitude becomes some form of "Oh yeah, you know so much….. prove it (tongue sticking out Im sure)." "You're just arguing from ignorance." - Really, an opinion of someone who not only uses their products but is directly paid by the utilization of one of their products is a perspective of ignorance?

"Google+ is hardly a failure by the industry's standards and certainly not Google's." Jeez, what 'industry standard is that? You'll throw links to positive stories about Google+ and I can counter with negative stories - hardly proof of a black and white standard.

"I feel like I'm having a conversation with Prunepicker now." Now you're just showing your true colors - congrats!

"Where do we start when you're assumptions are so obviously biased and unfounded?" Again, apparently if someone doesn't agree with you then they are biased and unfounded.

I (nor you) know exactly what plan there is for Google+ - but, since we are both in marketing I think we can agree that most often perception is often the rule of measure and the perception of many within the public and 'the industry' is that Google+ is not an obvious success. Obviously that's not the perception of everyone, but it is a large perception.

And yes, Google+ appears to be manipulating stats with their forced participation.

As was pointed out by ZooKeeper - maybe you're just having a bad day, week, month (whatever). But your condescending tone that isn't backed up with anything other than more opinion or the occasional (oh yeah, well I make a living doing this so there) doesn't make your point valid.

Maybe what annoys me the most is that you do come from an educated and informed position, that myself and others can gain additional in sites from, so its a big let down when instead of a real discussion I get what you vomited above.

But, I'm certainly guilty of using inappropriate 'tone' and snarkiness in comments and will continue to from time to time.

I still don't like the new You Tube rules. I finally got rid of google +
because I don't have any use for it.