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Geographer
07-03-2013, 08:52 AM
I thought I would go ahead and start a thread since the city will be re-doing Lindsey street from the interstate to (at least) Berry. What would you like to see?

5 lanes with middle turn lane?
4 lanes?
2 lanes with bike lanes/street parking?
2 lanes with bike lanes/street parking and a median?
2 lanes with bike lanes and non-interrupted sidewalks all the way down Lindsey?
Dedicated space for bus pull-offs?
Replace intersection lights with roundabouts?


Personal preference: 2 10' car lanes with a bike lane on each side. Roundabouts replace the street lights at 24th/Lindsey, McGee/Lindsey, and Berry/Lindsey. The Roundabouts would help congestion along Lindsey as cars would not have to wait for lights, but simply merging into a roundabout. This Lindsey street project has an opportunity to be a model street for Norman and the surrounding areas...since it is a gateway into the city/university...this is all personal preference though. Revamping Lindsey Street is a MUST though. Retail Space per square foot has fallen recently in the shopping centers along Lindsey. A new, complete, streetscape could revamp the corridor and put reinvestment/renovation into the strip centers along the corridor.

EDIT: Last week, President Boren voiced his support for re-doing Lindsey from Berry into campus as long as it can be done "tastefully"....meaning two lanes/sidewalks, etc...as long as it does not destroy the current tree canopy, etc.

jedicurt
07-03-2013, 09:04 AM
my preference would be 3 lanes, one each way with a dedicated turn lane, bike lanes on each side, and dedicated spaces for bus pull-off

Geographer
07-03-2013, 09:15 AM
I'm not sold on the dedicated middle turn lane. I think a median that's well landscaped would do wonders for the street scape as a whole. Left turns into businesses aren't absolutely essential, especially if you have roundabouts at intersections where you can easily enter the roundabout and make a U-turn.

But I am totally with you on the bike lanes and dedicated space for bus pull offs, if there's enough space and the city doesn't have to purchase a ton of right-of-way...which is where it could get costly.

Geographer
07-03-2013, 09:22 AM
I prefer 2 lanes, no median, bike lanes, and angled parking (if possible). Back in parking is even better.


Reverse Angle parking is fantastic. It's much safer....having the street parking would also set the stage to move buildings along lindsey closer to the street. I am not sure that would be able to get approved though, given the vast amount of parking lots along Lindsey.

Geographer
07-03-2013, 09:33 AM
Something like this would be really cool too for Lindsey at I-35. Where you have the on/off ramps that come into two roundabouts on either side of the interstate.

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jedicurt
07-03-2013, 09:43 AM
As long as U-turns at intersections (either by roundabout or traffic light) are allowed and encouraged, then i would be okay with a median or a no left turn policy if there is no median. I just know that if you allow left turns, there will be big issues for traffic backups. that is why i support a middle turn lane.

Roger S
07-03-2013, 09:44 AM
From an engineering viewpoint I love the concept of RAP but at the same time my wife can barely back her car out of our garage without taking the house down and I know she's not alone in her inability to back a vehicle.

So how often would I be coming back out to my vehicle to find out that a well seasoned citizen or someone like my wife has backed into my vehicle?

BoulderSooner
07-03-2013, 09:45 AM
isn't it already decided that it will be 2 lanes each direction with a turn lane .. and new sidewalks ..

Geographer
07-03-2013, 09:48 AM
From an engineering viewpoint I love the concept of RAP but at the same time my wife can barely back her car out of our garage without taking the house down and I know she's not alone in her inability to back a vehicle.

So how often would I be coming back out to my vehicle to find out that a well seasoned citizen or someone like my wife has backed into my vehicle?

I suppose so, but from a safety standpoint, I would rather "pull into traffic" than "back out into traffic", as what happens with standard angle parking. I don't think people be able to back into a parking spot would be a giant issue though.


EDIT: Added a photo of reverse angle parking, just so everyone knows exactly what it looks like....where you back in and have some extra space between the parking space and where the driving lane actually starts. 3907

Geographer
07-03-2013, 09:49 AM
isn't it already decided that it will be 2 lanes each direction with a turn lane .. and new sidewalks ..

It is not totally decided. There was a meeting last week with Dan Burden (walkable and livable communities expert) which was attended by a few council members, engineering firm hired for the lindsey project, mayor of Norman, President Boren, etc. The workshop was specifically about a "Livable Lindsey Street" and what the design should be.

HangryHippo
07-03-2013, 09:51 AM
Here's my preference:

1) A beautifully landscaped center median
2) Lindsey St. is 2 lanes each way with U-turns allowed at the signaled intersections with 24th Ave, McGee, Berry, Flood, and Chautauqua
3) Dedicated areas for buses to pull off
4) Uninterrupted wide sidewalks the entire length of Lindsey

Roger S
07-03-2013, 09:52 AM
I suppose so, but from a safety standpoint, I would rather "pull into traffic" than "back out into traffic", as what happens with standard angle parking. I don't think people be able to back into a parking spot would be a giant issue though.

You have more faith in the skills of Oklahoma drivers than I do. :wink:

Geographer
07-03-2013, 10:03 AM
You have more faith in the skills of Oklahoma drivers than I do. :wink:

haha...I can be optimistic sometimes ;)

I just know that people don't like backing out directly into traffic on main street...you're literally back into a driving lane on Main...and if there's a parked car next to you that's blocking your view then it's a crapshoot backing out.

Just the facts
07-03-2013, 10:30 AM
let me say that I am presently surprised by this change of design criteria. When the bond issue was being discussed and voted on the desire was for Lindsey to move as many cars as possible as fast as possible between Berry and I-35.

http://www.okctalk.com/norman/31544-vote-norman-transportation-bond-package-today.html

http://www.okctalk.com/norman/27534-norman-transportation-plan-moving-forward.html

Geographer
07-03-2013, 10:32 AM
let me say that I am presently surprised by this change of design criteria. When the bond issue was being discussed and voted on the desire was for Lindsey to move as many cars as possible as fast as possible between Berry and I-35.

http://www.okctalk.com/norman/31544-vote-norman-transportation-bond-package-today.html

http://www.okctalk.com/norman/27534-norman-transportation-plan-moving-forward.html


Yeah, I am surprised as well, but I think that people and city leaders are beginning to understand that we don't want to "robinson our lindsey street" (I'm coining that phrase hah). It was encouraging to see local leaders involved in last week's workshop.

Here is the video from the workshop, towards the end of the video are some examples of what Lindsey could look like.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw_m1oVwwx8



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Roger S
07-03-2013, 01:26 PM
I just know that people don't like backing out directly into traffic on main street...you're literally back into a driving lane on Main...and if there's a parked car next to you that's blocking your view then it's a crapshoot backing out.

That's exactly why I like the concept of RAP. And I suppose in the long run the damage from someone backing into me compared to the damage of someone clipping me doing 30-40 MPH is going to be a lot less extensive....... Unless they run into me doing 30-40 MPH while I'm backing into my parking space.

Plutonic Panda
07-03-2013, 02:29 PM
Does this street run though downtown?

On edit: just noticed that it doesn't, or so I think. Anyhow, a six lane divided BLVD. with dual left turns, and right turn lanes as well as 11ft. Trails would be good.

When it runs through OU it should narrow down to 4 lanes and bike lanes on both sides

Geographer
07-03-2013, 02:39 PM
Does this street run though downtown?

No, Lindsey is the street that leads into the heart of the university

venture
07-03-2013, 02:41 PM
Does this street run though downtown?

Google Maps! /whip

But no it does not.

Personally I like the refocus on not doing another boring 4/5 lane road to Berry. However, we have to understand that traffic is going to be pretty heavy so I think that eliminates any on street parking for safety reasons.

A new corridor with wide sidewalks, beautiful landscaping including a median, and a setup that promotes the easy flow of traffic is what is needed. Of course we'll hear from those that want a 5 lane road all the way to campus and houses and trees be damned, but thankfully those people are few and far between. Even less now that half of the old city council is out the door as of yesterday.

Plutonic Panda
07-03-2013, 02:46 PM
Google Maps! /whip

But no it does not.

Personally I like the refocus on not doing another boring 4/5 lane road to Berry. However, we have to understand that traffic is going to be pretty heavy so I think that eliminates any on street parking for safety reasons.

A new corridor with wide sidewalks, beautiful landscaping including a median, and a setup that promotes the easy flow of traffic is what is needed. Of course we'll hear from those that want a 5 lane road all the way to campus and houses and trees be damned, but thankfully those people are few and far between. Even less now that half of the old city council is out the door as of yesterday.yeah i went to gmaps right after I posted lol But you can look at my post above. It has my thoughts on it

Geographer
07-03-2013, 02:50 PM
Does this street run though downtown?

On edit: just noticed that it doesn't, or so I think. Anyhow, a six lane divided BLVD. with dual left turns, and right turn lanes as well as 11ft. Trails would be good.

When it runs through OU it should narrow down to 4 lanes and bike lanes on both sides


Please tell me you're joking about the six lane boulevard. That would make it the largest street in Norman. For a street that has been LOSING traffic over the past 12 years. Lindsey works fine now as two lanes, it just needs to have the street lights removed with roundabout replacing.

A six lane road on Lindsey would not only cost a fortune to construct (right of way purchases as well) but an absolute disaster for the area. I hope you were kidding.

Plutonic Panda
07-03-2013, 03:02 PM
Please tell me you're joking about the six lane boulevard. That would make it the largest street in Norman. For a street that has been LOSING traffic over the past 12 years. Lindsey works fine now as two lanes, it just needs to have the street lights removed with roundabout replacing.

A six lane road on Lindsey would not only cost a fortune to construct (right of way purchases as well) but an absolute disaster for the area. I hope you were kidding.if it really has been loosing traffic, then it shouldn't be six lanes. Everything else on my list remains same though. I'm going by your word.

Btw, on gmaps it has Lindsey at five lanes one way, what am I missing here???? Where is the two lanes at?

Geographer
07-03-2013, 03:30 PM
if it really has been loosing traffic, then it shouldn't be six lanes. Everything else on my list remains same though. I'm going by your word.

Btw, on gmaps it has Lindsey at five lanes one way, what am I missing here???? Where is the two lanes at?

I have no clue where you're looking. Lindsey Street between I-35 on the west and Berry Road on the east. Lindsey is a mile south of Main Street and a mile north of Highway 9.

venture
07-03-2013, 03:31 PM
if it really has been loosing traffic, then it shouldn't be six lanes. Everything else on my list remains same though. I'm going by your word.

Btw, on gmaps it has Lindsey at five lanes one way, what am I missing here???? Where is the two lanes at?

Lindsey is only 4 lanes until just east of 24th SW then it goes to 2 lanes with a center turn lane all the way to Berry. I think you are looking at Hwy 9.

Plutonic Panda
07-03-2013, 04:58 PM
I have no clue where you're looking. Lindsey Street between I-35 on the west and Berry Road on the east. Lindsey is a mile south of Main Street and a mile north of Highway 9.


Lindsey is only 4 lanes until just east of 24th SW then it goes to 2 lanes with a center turn lane all the way to Berry. I think you are looking at Hwy 9.ah, I think I see it now. So if it is that kind of street they should add bike lanes, center median w/ landscaping, 12' sidewalks and that would be swell. Also, dedicated turn lanes to.

Geographer
07-22-2013, 03:33 PM
Lindsey Stakeholder's meeting today about the new lindsey street scape project...I believe a public meeting will be held on Thursday with different workshops.

BG918
07-24-2013, 12:02 PM
Lindsey Stakeholder's meeting today about the new lindsey street scape project...I believe a public meeting will be held on Thursday with different workshops.

Are you going? I really like your ideas for Lindsey, especially the roundabouts. Put some fountains in the middle and you have a really nice entrance into the city and university.

Geographer
07-25-2013, 06:53 AM
Are you going? I really like your ideas for Lindsey, especially the roundabouts. Put some fountains in the middle and you have a really nice entrance into the city and university.

Yes I will be at the meeting today.

The last public meeting will be held today at 4:00 at Legends Times Two (1313 W Lindsey Street). Boren, OU Institute invite ideas about Lindsey Street makeover » Headlines » The Norman Transcript (http://normantranscript.com/headlines/x2040133534/Boren-OU-Institute-invite-ideas-about-Lindsey-Street-makeover/?state=taberU)

ou48A
07-25-2013, 09:10 AM
I'm all for making Lindsey street look nice, but they have got to find a way to significantly increase that streets capacity. After all that's the bottom line on what the city of Norman voters voted for.

Hopefully the city will do better than they did on Flood Street just north of Robinson where they had to tear out several hundred feet of vegetation due to poor decision making.

There are a lot of times when something looks real good on a blue print but the practicality is virtually nil and in the mean time a great deal of money is wasted by people with good intentions but use far too little common sense.

Our city leaders far to often resort to expensive studies and outsiders rather than using good local judgment.

Geographer
07-25-2013, 09:16 AM
I'm all for making Lindsey street look nice, but they have got to find a way to significantly increase that streets capacity. After all that's the bottom line on what the city of Norman voters voted for.

Hopefully the city will do better than they did on Flood Street just north of Robinson where they had to tear out several hundred feet of vegetation due to poor decision making.

There are a lot of times when something looks real good on a blue print but the practicality is virtually nil and in the mean time a great deal of money is wasted by people with good intentions but use far too little common sense.

Our city leaders far to often resort to expensive studies and outsiders rather than using good local judgment.

Then come to the LOCAL meeting and voice your opinion, it'll be a great forum for discussion.

ou48A
07-25-2013, 09:34 AM
Then come to the LOCAL meeting and voice your opinion, it'll be a great forum for discussion.

I was actually thinking about attending, but I have had a situation that just came up that I can't get out of this afternoon. Hopefully somebody will say something close to what I posted and make it clear about what the voters thought they were voting for.

My air-conditioner broke down late night but I managed to seclude a repair person late this afternoon. You know what they say this time of year when it comes to air conditioning, beggars cant be to choosy.

Geographer
07-25-2013, 09:43 AM
I was actually thinking about attending, but I have had a situation that just came up that I can't get out of this afternoon. Hopefully somebody will say something close to what I posted and make it clear about what the voters thought they were voting for.

My air-conditioner broke down late night but I managed to seclude a repair person late this afternoon. You know what they say this time of year when it comes to air conditioning, beggars cant be to choosy.

I feel your pain, I had to have my AC repaired in June.

I do hope that you can find time to come though. There will be renderings, drawings, workshops, presentations and general good discussion. It will be good.

venture
07-25-2013, 09:53 AM
I was actually thinking about attending, but I have had a situation that just came up that I can't get out of this afternoon. Hopefully somebody will say something close to what I posted and make it clear about what the voters thought they were voting for.

There are ways to increase capacity without slapping down ton more pavement. I like the idea of 4 lanes, divided if possible, with bike and walking lanes - well landscaped at that, with roundabouts instead of traffic lights. It would increase capacity of the road without the need to making it any wider.

ou48A
07-25-2013, 03:57 PM
I feel your pain, I had to have my AC repaired in June.

I do hope that you can find time to come though. There will be renderings, drawings, workshops, presentations and general good discussion. It will be good.

AC is back on and fixed 100% free of charge.... Its already down to 72 degrees.

Please give us a report on the presentation.

ou48A
07-26-2013, 11:32 AM
In principle I can support most of this.

I understand this is just a start but without redoing Lindsey street from Berry to campus its almost a project to nowhere.
When Boren said that OU would start with a roundabout at Jenkins its pretty irritating because a large amount of money was just spent rebuilding this intersection.
It shows how little planing goes into their thinking process and the low levels of basic economic common sense that too many of our decision makers have.
I hope they are smart with the landscaping plants.




Lindsey Street set for a makeover » Headlines » The Norman Transcript (http://normantranscript.com/headlines/x1913000907/Lindsey-Street-set-for-a-makeover)



July 26, 2013
Lindsey Street set for a makeover

By Joy Hampton The Norman Transcript The Norman Transcript Fri Jul 26, 2013, 01:05 AM CDT

NORMAN — Imagine if west Lindsey Street looked more like Campus Corner or downtown, with gently flowing traffic, bicyclists and people walking and laughing. Imagine trees and sidewalk cafes. Imagine Lindsey Street as more of a village and less of a strip mall.
Imagine Lindsey Street as a destination to meander through and enjoy on the way to the university.

“You get one good chance to reinvent Lindsey, and it’s now,” community planner Dan Burden told a full house at Legends Times Two on Thursday evening. “A great street is something that harvests the best of the community and sets a template for the community.”
Burden is the co-founder and director of innovation and inspiration at the Walkable and Livable Communities Institute, a nonprofit that helps communities build healthier, more livable environments. He spoke to Norman residents and stakeholders about the possibilities for Lindsey Street to become a model of what a great street can be.

Currently, Lindsey is ranked as the No. 1 traffic congestion corridor in the Oklahoma City metropolitan area, with a crash rate nearly three times the national average for similar roadways. In August, Norman voters approved a $42 million transportation bond package with 62 percent support. Federal matching funds will pay for a strong portion of the eight proposed projects in the bond package.

The Lindsey Street widening and storm drainage portion of that bond package accounts for more than $21 million — half the total approved package. Federal funds will pay an additional $11.5 million of the Lindsey project costs.
The vision for Lindsey presented to voters included landscaping, continuos sidewalks, bike lanes, two lanes of traffic each way and a center turn lane.

That cement river of road between cement seas of parking lots and strip malls is exactly what Norman should avoid, said Burden and his team, Lynn Richards, Loeb Fellow at the Harvard Graduate School of Design, and Michael Wallwork, an engineer with 40 years of experience in traffic engineering, road construction and transportation design.
Officials from the University of Oklahoma agree.

“We have an opportunity to make (Lindsey Street) beautiful and make traffic flow,” University of Oklahoma President David Boren said.
To make the streetscape beautiful — to take the plan for a good street and turn it into a great street — Burden proposes a triple canopy of landscaping. Instead of a center turn lane, a center median with trees would form a third area of landscaping to compliment the streetside landscaping.

Bike lanes and landscaping provide a buffer to make pedestrians on sidewalks feel safe and secure, Burden said.
Burden also proposed roundabouts instead of traffic lights at intersections. To start with, 24th Avenue and McGee Drive would retain their signal lights, but roundabouts at other intersections would slow vehicles down and provide a smoother flow of traffic at Murphy, Wiley Street and Berry Road.

Roundabouts are a different way of doing an intersection. They calm traffic, but vehicles get to destinations more quickly because there is continuous flow instead of a backlog from stopping at lights. Roundabouts create a more pedestrian-friendly environment, Burden said, and reduce crashes and fatalities.

Pedestrian crossings could be incorporated at halfway points and would increase accessibility for pedestrians and bicyclists because people cross one lane of traffic safely to the median, then cross a single lane of traffic from the median to the other side. This means a pedestrian only has to watch for traffic coming from one direction.
Additionally, U-turns incorporated into the medians would allow vehicles easy access to both sides of the street versus trying to cross over several lanes of traffic during peak hours. Bus stops are another portion of the multimodal transportation portfolio envisioned for Lindsey.

Burden said accidents and injuries are dramatically lowered with these types of street improvements.
“It was not a popular idea when I started,” Burden said. “Now 80 percent of Americans want to live in a walkable community.”
The Lindsey project can’t be delayed and must meet bond goals and specifications as presented to the community, but many of the improvements suggested could be incorporated, he said. Colored bike lanes, for example, would increase visibility and safety along with aesthetic appeal.
Too often the real world we live in means sitting in traffic, Burden said, but a well-designed street can improve the economy along with improving quality of life.
“People now want beauty,” Burden said.

Boren said the university is on board with making Lindsey really beautiful and slowing traffic down to a pedestrian-friendly, continuous flow.
“We don’t want to see five lanes or six lanes of concrete divide our campus,” Boren said. “This could have the potential for doing something even beyond Berry Road.”

Boren praised the triple canopy streetscaping idea. He said he believes the proposed changes by Burden also would give better access to Lindsey Street businesses.
“You’re a lot better off if you never stop, you’re always moving,” Boren said.

Boren said OU would start with a roundabout at Jenkins and make it beautiful.

“I think it’s something we, from the university’s point of view, would be willing to look at,” he said. “I think we’ll kick ourselves 25 years from now if we don’t do everything imaginable to make (Lindsey Street) better. It could be so much more beautiful, so much more interesting. We could be a model in Oklahoma.”

venture
07-26-2013, 11:35 AM
Great news out of meeting yesterday on the Lindsey redesign. A lot of elements many want appear to be the main focus. First and foremost, the 5 lane Lindsey Street plan is dead it would seem.

Story in the Transcript: Lindsey Street set for a makeover » Headlines » The Norman Transcript (http://normantranscript.com/headlines/x1913000907/Lindsey-Street-set-for-a-makeover)

Main elements...



Traffic lights will be removed and roundabouts put in the intersections. Murphy, Wiley, and Berry would be the first converted. 24th and McGee would retain their lights for now.
A center landscaped median will be added.
U-Turns would be permitted in various cuts along the median.
Bike lane added, possible painted to a different color, and additional landscaping to provide a buffer with sidewalks.
Continuous sidewalks making Lindsey a more walkable street.
Lindsey would be 2 lanes in each direction with new crosswalks over the median.
Additional bus stops added along Lindsey.


All in all very pleased with this. The plan has the full support of President Boren, which is huge. He also stated he can see doing the same through Campus and also stated Jenkins would be the first intersection to go to a roundabout.

Geographer
07-26-2013, 11:50 AM
It was a fantastic meeting. I loved the revealed designs.

It's funny...the city traffic engineer's presentation took about 3 minutes. There was no narrative, no excitement. Dan's presentation was full of excitement, passion, reasons why we should do this, why it matters (economically, traffic-wise, etc), etc.

Venture I must correct you though, Lindsey will be two lanes each direction but with a much better overall design than what was originally planned.

All in All, the meeting went great....there were concern questions but it was mostly positive concern...not immediate "turn-offs" on the project. We shall see what happens. I'm thrilled though.


The funniest part of the meeting? A former councilman stated "Norman is not a city".

Sigh.

venture
07-26-2013, 11:53 AM
Thanks Trey...it was hard to tell from the text when they said pedestrians only had to cross one lane of traffic at a time. So that through me off.

Geographer
07-26-2013, 11:56 AM
Thanks Trey...it was hard to tell from the text when they said pedestrians only had to cross one lane of traffic at a time. So that through me off.

I think the author meant one "direction" of traffic at a time. There's a median in the middle with a spot dedicated to pedestrians where they can wait and cross.

venture
07-26-2013, 12:01 PM
Another good part is that Boren definitely sounds like he doesn't want Lindsey any wider into campus. I could see Lindsey remaining 1 lane each way, but adding in a center landscaped median. This should be pretty easy to do since the turn lanes aren't needed anymore. Asp would probably go to a roundabout at some point, but its going to be a tight fit.

venture
07-26-2013, 12:01 PM
I think the author meant one "direction" of traffic at a time. There's a median in the middle with a spot dedicated to pedestrians where they can wait and cross.

Yeah I was able to get that out of it...but I think you are right, he just got the phrasing wrong.

All in all still glad with this design. We avoid the 5 lane concrete monster and get a better traffic management system in place. I would imagine speed limits will stay around 30 mph through this.

Just the facts
07-26-2013, 12:05 PM
Well, let me say that I am blown away by this turn of developments. Maybe they learned their lesson from UNP. I am glad they are on the right track now.

Geographer
07-26-2013, 12:07 PM
Well, let me say that I am blown away by this turn of developments. Maybe they learned their lesson from UNP. I am glad they are on the right track now.

Thanks to intervening by a couple of groups of people....haha...came in at the nick of time too.


HOWEVER...none of this is final though! It still has to be approved and whatnot....we shall see how much of this (if any of it) gets approved...

HangryHippo
07-26-2013, 12:55 PM
Thanks to intervening by a couple of groups of people....haha...came in at the nick of time too.


HOWEVER...none of this is final though! It still has to be approved and whatnot....we shall see how much of this (if any of it) gets approved...

Were there any council members present? Any idea how it sits with them?

venture
07-26-2013, 01:12 PM
Thanks to intervening by a couple of groups of people....haha...came in at the nick of time too.

HOWEVER...none of this is final though! It still has to be approved and whatnot....we shall see how much of this (if any of it) gets approved...

Hopefully we can keep out the people that want their 5 lane concrete abomination going through the middle of Norman and this proposal sales through.

Geographer
07-26-2013, 01:19 PM
Were there any council members present? Any idea how it sits with them?

Yes there were 3-4 council members there...and at least 1 previous council member. As far as I could tell, it went okay with them, but you know I don't really know what they're thinking. We'll see.

traxx
07-26-2013, 01:28 PM
Are there any renderings or videos of what was discussed/presented etc.?

Geographer
07-26-2013, 01:33 PM
Are there any renderings or videos of what was discussed/presented etc.?

I will see if I can get ahold of the presentation that Dan gave.

HangryHippo
07-26-2013, 02:22 PM
Trey, was Dan's presentation just a slideshow of what might be possible with Lindsey St? Or was it more detailed in offering precise solutions for what could (should) be done with Lindsey St? Does that make sense?

ljbab728
07-26-2013, 03:44 PM
Was anything mentioned about continuing to make Lindsey one way in places on football days?

ou48A
07-26-2013, 08:39 PM
The city, OU & state should consider making Flood street one way north to Robinson after football games.

They need to better coordinate the traffic lights on Flood street and cover some stop signs.
They should look at doing this to others major Norman streets?

BG918
07-26-2013, 08:40 PM
Bike lane added, possible painted to a different color, and additional landscaping to provide a buffer with sidewalks.


Maybe a crimson-colored bike lane? :)

Sounds like they have a solid plan in place, hopefully it gets constructed that way. The sidewalks will be a huge improvement, especially between Berry and campus.

ou48A
07-26-2013, 09:35 PM
Maybe a crimson-colored bike lane? :)

Sounds like they have a solid plan in place, hopefully it gets constructed that way. The sidewalks will be a huge improvement, especially between Berry and campus.

Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen any plans to offer even basic sidewalks from Berry to campus.
Clearly they are needed.

venture
07-26-2013, 09:48 PM
Was anything mentioned about continuing to make Lindsey one way in places on football days?

I would imagine it would be one way from campus to Berry and then go two way with the divided median. Of course one way traffic on the roundabout at Berry probably would be pretty complex - depending on how many forward westbound lanes there are.

I think the biggest issue would be if they decide to put in additional roundabouts at Pickard, Flood, Chautauqua, and Elm. It would make sense that they add them in. We do run into space issues at most of those intersections though where the city would have to acquire some additional right of way to make it work.


The city, OU & state should consider making Flood street one way north to Robinson after football games.

They need to better coordinate the traffic lights on Flood street and cover some stop signs.
They should look at doing this to others major Norman streets?

I can't see it being feasible in that area. If it wasn't cutting completely through neighborhoods it would probably be feasible, but we aren't talking just a mile of road.

Chautauqua or Jenkins one way would probably be better, to the south, pushing more traffic on to Hwy 9.


Maybe a crimson-colored bike lane? :)

Sounds like they have a solid plan in place, hopefully it gets constructed that way. The sidewalks will be a huge improvement, especially between Berry and campus.

Keep in mind that this is just for the I-35 to Berry portion. I would imagine we'll see something in a couple years for the next segment. OU is going to handle the portion on campus. I think crimson colored lanes sound good though. :)

Just the facts
07-26-2013, 10:43 PM
Maybe a crimson-colored bike lane? :)

How about a checkerboard crimson and cream bike lane (and maybe crosswalks)?

http://www2.gpmd.com/imagel/t/ltopq4111.jpg

kevinpate
07-27-2013, 05:01 AM
The city, OU & state should consider making Flood street one way north to Robinson after football games.

They need to better coordinate the traffic lights on Flood street and cover some stop signs.
They should look at doing this to others major Norman streets?

Or, stadium event participants could simply accept that 80,000+ spectators are not going to go from seat to gate to car to NW Norman residential or hit interstate at speed without a wee bit of inconvenience. Besides, I would think one could funnel more cars faster out E Lindsey, up and down 12th than adding to the mix of folks using Lindsey West through its narrowest path. If I wanted 35 or NW Norman after a game, E Lindsey to 12th to Tecumseh and then west would be my magic carpet.

Just the facts
07-27-2013, 07:09 AM
Considering most fans start leaving half way through the 4th quarter, if you just wait until the clock reads 0:00 most traffic will be gone by the time you get to the car.

ou48A
07-27-2013, 10:39 AM
Considering most fans start leaving half way through the 4th quarter, if you just wait until the clock reads 0:00 most traffic will be gone by the time you get to the car.

That's not at all true.......... In FACT its just exactly the opposite!


The traffic becomes very backed up for the people who wait until the end of the game because so many leave early to beat traffic.
One little problem on a street such as Lindsey causes hours worth of problems for some.

ou48A
07-27-2013, 10:45 AM
Or, stadium event participants could simply accept that 80,000+ spectators are not going to go from seat to gate to car to NW Norman residential or hit interstate at speed without a wee bit of inconvenience. Besides, I would think one could funnel more cars faster out E Lindsey, up and down 12th than adding to the mix of folks using Lindsey West through its narrowest path. If I wanted 35 or NW Norman after a game, E Lindsey to 12th to Tecumseh and then west would be my magic carpet.

The problem with that line of thinking is that the OU football traffic congestion is a safety hazard that has been noted by officials.

Due to new city parking and street restrictions along with stadium expansion and the thousands who now come to tail-gate only and never attend the games the congestion problem has grown much worse in recent years.

Better organization is needed.

PS: Via many years of experience I have discovered there are far better way that save a lot more time than your magic carpet solution

ou48A
07-27-2013, 10:52 AM
I can't see it being feasible in that area. If it wasn't cutting completely through neighborhoods it would probably be feasible, but we aren't talking just a mile of road.

Chautauqua or Jenkins one way would probably be better, to the south, pushing more traffic on to Hwy 9.



Keep in mind that this is just for the I-35 to Berry portion. I would imagine we'll see something in a couple years for the next segment. OU is going to handle the portion on campus. I think crimson colored lanes sound good though. :)

It may or may not be feasible to make Flood one way, but they will need to do something when Lindsey street is rebuilt.
As it is now Highway 9 is very clogged for at least 2 hr after close games. Most experienced people avoid it because of its congestion.