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kelroy55
01-25-2013, 08:26 AM
I wonder if this was his choice or not.

Sonic Corp. President Scott McLain will step down as president | NewsOK.com (http://newsok.com/sonic-corp.-president-scott-mclain-will-step-down-as-president/article/3748826)

ljbab728
01-25-2013, 10:01 PM
I wonder if this was his choice or not.

Sonic Corp. President Scott McLain will step down as president | NewsOK.com (http://newsok.com/sonic-corp.-president-scott-mclain-will-step-down-as-president/article/3748826)

Why?

kelroy55
01-26-2013, 08:40 AM
Because he's still a fairly young man.

ljbab728
01-26-2013, 09:05 PM
Well that's certainly a great reason to think he might have been pushed out. LOL
I've seen more than one report about this with nothing hinting at it being anything but voluntary.

SoonerDave
01-26-2013, 09:06 PM
Because he's still a fairly young man.

No idea. But while we've kinda backed off fast food in general the last couple of years, I will say we'd backed off Sonic a lot even before then. We just got frustrated with cold, stale, undercooked food, greasy, limp, undercooked fries, slow service, and....shall I continue? Worse still is that they just don't act like they give a you-know-what.

We still go there every once in a great while, as I will partake of an occasional grilled chicken sandwich, but more often than not, it becomes an exercise in frustration. Mind you, I understand that's as much a franchise problem as a "corporate" problem, but if this kind of (non) QC has more than one franchise playing fast and loose with their own standards, eventually it reflects very badly on the corporate side. Sonic has tried to improve its menu, but until they get better, more consistent food and better service, I'm not sure how bright Sonic's future is.

ljbab728
01-26-2013, 09:11 PM
I don't think this topic really has anything to do with Sonic's quality of food or service but I still go there just as often as ever and it seems exactly the same as it has been for years. I see no reason to question Sonic's future.

SoonerDave
01-26-2013, 09:33 PM
I don't think this topic really has anything to do with Sonic's quality of food or service but I still go there just as often as ever and it seems exactly the same as it has been for years. I see no reason to question Sonic's future.

Hmmm..perhaps I'm just weird, but to me the quality of food at a restaurant chain might be quite germane to the departure of that restaurant's CEO. For us, the decline in Sonic has been precipitous and unmistakable across many of their outlets. They made a strident effort to improve things about three years ago, I think, but those efforts IMHO have faded. I'm glad your experience has been different.

ljbab728
01-26-2013, 09:43 PM
Yes it has and I see absolutely no connection.

SoonerDave
01-26-2013, 10:10 PM
Yes it has and I see absolutely no connection.

You don't see how the quality of food and service at a company that exists solely to serve food might be related to the departure of that company's leadership? You see absolutely no connection? C'mon, dude, you can't be that naive. I'm not saying it is in this case, but to state categorically there's absolutely no connection's a bit out there.

Oh, well, who knows. Maybe they caught him eating at Burger King.

ljbab728
01-26-2013, 10:18 PM
No, I see no connection and I also see no problem with the quality of food or service. I was talking about Sonic specifically and you may have been making a general observation about food service companies in general. I'm hardly naive about anything. You are connecting dots that are a little too far apart.

RadicalModerate
01-27-2013, 07:05 PM
He should have listened to my suggestion from at least 10 or 15 years ago that Sonic should reincarnate the Cheese Frenchees and the Tuna Frenchees that used to be served by King's Fine Foods Drive-Ins back in the day. (or . . . could it be . . . the "new opportunities" mentioned will be a different chain of drive-ins that specialized in them??? =)

Or maybe the shareholders decided that he hadn't acted fast enough to correct the singular blemish to the Sonic name represented by the location at 122nd and Penn . . .

SoonerDave
01-28-2013, 07:01 AM
No, I see no connection and I also see no problem with the quality of food or service. I was talking about Sonic specifically and you may have been making a general observation about food service companies in general. I'm hardly naive about anything. You are connecting dots that are a little too far apart.

No, this is a thread about Sonic, so as to end any confusion, I'm making a very specific observation about the abject deterioration of Sonic in general, across multiple restaurants at multiple locations. And I'm brazen enough to infer I"m not the only one making such an observation, as I've seen several local stores offer "Under new ownership" banners, at least indicating issues with one (or more?) franchise owners. Maybe that does indicate some level of response on the part of the corporate entity in response to reports of poor performance, deteriorating food, deteriorating service, and indifferent management over a period of years.

All that aside, your strident defense makes it fairly clear I've it some personal nerve of yours, and perhaps you know the departed executive and/or someone who owns a franchise, so I apologize if I've caused offense. It's just burgers.

RadicalModerate
01-28-2013, 09:21 AM
That was a great post. Still, I wonder . . . Has Sonic REALLY deteriorated that much over the years? (honest question, no snark implied or intended).
Personally, I think their offerings are as good or better than they ever were, but I should mention that I only eat at Sonic maybe once every two months (and I tip the carhop). Besides that, their commercials are some of the best on TV. =)

Please be advised that my observations regarding a non-slide in the quality of Sonic overall does not apply to the location at 122nd and Penn. It was bad when it opened and has only gone downhill from there. (of course, to be fair, I never go to that one but rather the one on Britton Rd or the one on N. May so my opinion in this context may not be completely accurate--as compared to my normal opinion =)

"It's Just Burgers" . . .
(classic: should be a motto to live by. or a bumpersticker.
perhaps, in order to create a taste of ConFusion Cuisine, even a Zen Mantra! =)

s00nr1
01-28-2013, 09:33 AM
I'm in agreement with SoonerDave that many of the older Sonic locations have put out food recently that is nowhere near the quality of years past. It really is a crapshoot depending on the location you visit whether or not you're going to get a decent product.

RadicalModerate
01-28-2013, 09:51 AM
I'm in agreement with SoonerDave that many of the older Sonic locations have put out food recently that is nowhere near the quality of years past. It really is a crapshoot depending on the location you visit whether or not you're going to get a decent product.

Hopefully, in terms of basic food prep hygene and protocols, the term crapshoot will remain only metaphorical (or analogilogical or similiarian or whatever) specifically as applied to Sonic. Say! I wonder if there would be a way to work this idea into one of their humorous commercials! The guys could drive by a Taco Bell . . . a McDonalds . . . a Burger King . . . a Long John Silvers/A&W . . . a Popeye's Chicken . . . a KFC . . . and pull into a Sonic. Then one of them could say something like: "Fast Food that isn't Sonic is a Crapshoot . . ." (Igor! Gather a focus group immediately!)

SoonerDave
01-28-2013, 09:52 AM
That was a great post. Still, I wonder . . . Has Sonic REALLY deteriorated that much over the years? (honest question, no snark implied or intended).
Personally, I think their offerings are as good or better than they ever were, but I should mention that I only eat at Sonic maybe once every two months (and I tip the carhop). Besides that, their commercials are some of the best on TV. =)

Please be advised that my observations regarding a non-slide in the quality of Sonic overall does not apply to the location at 122nd and Penn. It was bad when it opened and has only gone downhill from there. (of course, to be fair, I never go to that one but rather the one on Britton Rd or the one on N. May so my opinion in this context may not be completely accurate--as compared to my normal opinion =)

"It's Just Burgers" . . .
(classic: should be a motto to live by. or a bumpersticker.
perhaps, in order to create a taste of ConFusion Cuisine, even a Zen Mantra! =)

LOL thanks Rad :)

I really do believe Sonic has deteriorated in all honesty. Now, its easy to develop that one opinion over a single data point, and I fully understand one data point does not a conclusion make. But with kids/teenagers that like drinks (esp in the summer) and activities often necessitate quick if less-than-ideal meals, we happen to frequent several Sonics around our area, and we see the problems fairly consistently.

Simple example: The fries and tater tots used to be great, but now are seemingly always undercooked. Okay, one store at one time, in a rush, they pull the things out of the fire too soon. That happens. But from store to store to store, we observe the same level of "undercookedness." To me, that's a pattern.

A few years ago, Sonic started using these "puffy" buns that dwarfed the meat, were never toasted, and were sometimes refrigerator cold -- again, at multiple Sonics. A supplier changed, I presume, that affected several places, and the bun was so "poofy" all you could taste in the burger was the bread. All that, coupled with wrong orders, slow service (which I won't go into detail about here) we just decided to go somewhere else. It wasn't more than a few months after that they started a campaign about their "improved food, bigger and better burgers.." As much as I'd LOVE to think that was JUST because of me :), I know that a campaign like that had to emerge from their own feedback/research that told them they had a quality problem. And it did, in fact, improve. For a while. But that appears to have been temporary.

Now, as I said, my dietary wisdom has increased greatly over the last 18 months, and I haven't had a decent burger in that span (58 pounds ago!) so my recent experience with Sonic has decreased. But we do go there for things like (some) drinks and grilled chicken sandwiches...but we still finding the same inconsistency, wrong orders, cold food, hit-and-miss, slow service that was their bane before, so I just do what most consumers would do, vote with my feet and my dollars....just go somewhere else if I can.

ljbab728
01-28-2013, 08:52 PM
No, this is a thread about Sonic, so as to end any confusion, I'm making a very specific observation about the abject deterioration of Sonic in general, across multiple restaurants at multiple locations. And I'm brazen enough to infer I"m not the only one making such an observation, as I've seen several local stores offer "Under new ownership" banners, at least indicating issues with one (or more?) franchise owners. Maybe that does indicate some level of response on the part of the corporate entity in response to reports of poor performance, deteriorating food, deteriorating service, and indifferent management over a period of years.

All that aside, your strident defense makes it fairly clear I've it some personal nerve of yours, and perhaps you know the departed executive and/or someone who owns a franchise, so I apologize if I've caused offense. It's just burgers.

You've not hit a nerve at all and my only connection with Sonic is as a regular customer since the early 60's. I'm just commenting as I see things and obviously I see it differently than you do and disagree with your theory without better evidence.

ThomPaine
01-28-2013, 09:58 PM
I hate to pile-on, but I've been a loyal Sonic customer for the last 30 years, and I have absolutely stopped buying food there. I still buy drinks, but I've had my last burger, rings, or fries there. Their hot dog options were pretty good there for awhile, but the last four or five times (four different locations in the metro), their food has been awful. In all honestly, their rings have gone down hill to the point of being inedible.

i'm still in on their great selection of drinks, with their Sonic cups filled with Sonic ice, but no more food for me as there are plenty of better options.

ljbab728
01-28-2013, 10:11 PM
A question I would have, because I really don't know, is does anyone know how Sonic's bottom line has changed since the departing president has been there? I would think that would be much more important to them if they were considering making a change at the top than individuals complaining about food or service.

RadicalModerate
01-29-2013, 12:17 AM
Here is a sample of one facet of the diamond of "bottom line" corporate priorties . . .
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Lesson Two is to make sure that the contents of the bag are fit to eat.
(i, personally, have no complaints . . . except regarding the location at 122nd and Penn. And the fact there are neither Cheese or Tuna Frenchees on the ever-changing menu board)

Pete
06-26-2013, 12:28 PM
Interesting strategy by Sonic.

Believe it or not, there are still only a handful of Sonics in Southern California and the ones that are open seem to do a huge business. They are all franchises out here but the closest one to me is over an hour a way.

*************

SONIC Drive-In Expands Franchise Development in Small Town, USA

As SONIC (NASDAQ: SONC) continues franchise development across the country, the company has its sights set on a particular market segment that’s showing major demand: small towns throughout the Central United States. In recent months, SONIC has opened drive-ins in Shattuck, Okla., and Valliant, Okla., and signed 13 franchise development commitments in other small towns, including: Iowa, La.; Cherokee, Okla.; Medford, Okla.; Verdigris, Okla.; Murfreesboro, Tenn.; Boyd, Texas; Cotulla, Texas; DeQuincy, La.; Dilley, Texas; Nixon, Texas; Shallowater, Texas; Stockdale, Texas; and Three Rivers, Texas.

“New SONIC Drive-In development continues to be an important priority for the company, and our strategy is creating strong momentum,” said Cliff Hudson, chairman, chief executive officer and president of Sonic Corp. “In addition to bringing SONIC to new major markets, we’ve identified an opportunity to bring SONIC to small towns, particularly in our core markets in the heart of the country. The redesign of our prototype building offers a number of benefits, including reduced building costs and land requirements, making it easier for these local owner-operators to open a drive-in and see a greater return on their investment. In addition, our increase in funding for national advertising creates increased consumer demand and positions our franchisees for successful new drive-in openings.”

“Many of these small town economies are thriving due to local energy plays, and civic leaders, residents and workers are craving new restaurant options. We’ve met a number of entrepreneurs who know their local communities, see the opportunity and recognize that SONIC is the perfect franchise to seize it,” said Bob Franke, senior vice president of franchise sales and international development for Sonic Corp. “We’re in a unique position to meet their needs, and we’re flexible in working with our franchise partners. For example, we’ve worked with them to reduce the building footprint, reduce the number of drive-in stalls and add a drive-thru, without sacrificing sales capacity and the SONIC experience our customers expect and love.”

SONIC is currently discussing opportunities with prospective owner-operators in small towns across the country, and many franchise opportunities are still available. Individuals interested in pursuing a SONIC Franchise are encouraged to visit sonicdrivein.com/franchise for more information.

Rover
06-26-2013, 02:53 PM
I used to drive by the Sonic in Ontario, CA and it was always PACKED. Frankly, there were more cars waiting there than the nearest In-N-Out. Never understood why they don't expand in Cal.

Plutonic Panda
06-26-2013, 04:23 PM
I don't want to derail this thread, but I ate at an In-N-Out and it sucked.

dmoor82
06-26-2013, 05:21 PM
I remember seeing Sonic food and a cup on Entourage,and another tv show I can't remember! I bet getting a Sonic in an area that doesn't have one would kind of be like us getting an In N Out burger!

Pete
06-26-2013, 05:35 PM
Yeah, for those guys on Entourage to make a Sonic run, they would have to drive over an hour to go to Palmdale or Anaheim. The few that are around here are in out-lying areas.

I looked into the franchise rights for L.A. but they had already been committed. Wish whoever bought them would get going!


I miss their drinks.

Praedura
06-26-2013, 05:37 PM
Yeah, for those guys on Entourage to make a Sonic run, they would have to drive over an hour to go to Palmdale or Anaheim. The few that are around here are in out-lying areas.

I looked into the franchise rights for L.A. but they had already been committed. Wish whoever bought them would get going!


I miss their drinks.

Are there any Braums in California? That's what I would really miss if I ever moved out of state.

Pete
06-26-2013, 05:39 PM
No, Braums will only build a certain distance from their main dairies.

So, they are only in OK, TX, KS, and a couple in AR and MO.


Miss Braums more than Sonic!

OKCTalker
06-26-2013, 07:06 PM
At least one national fast feeder has red-lined California due to the time & expense necessary to open a restaurant.

bradh
06-26-2013, 07:16 PM
Sort of related, but does anyone know the rhyme and reason behind where Sonic decides to put sand volleyball courts on property of their establishments? The one by my ex-girlfriend's house in Corpus Christi was always packed with HS and college kids playing.

RadicalModerate
06-26-2013, 07:33 PM
The opened a Sonic in Cambridge, Minnesota a while back. I think it only stayed open a year or two then closed. I find that to be astounding.

bradh
06-26-2013, 07:57 PM
Minnesotans are weird, look who they elect for politicians :)

Jim Kyle
06-26-2013, 07:58 PM
No, Braums will only build a certain distance from their main dairies.I believe it's 300 miles by road from Tuttle. I've found them as far south as Waco, but no farther...

bluedogok
06-26-2013, 08:28 PM
Sort of related, but does anyone know the rhyme and reason behind where Sonic decides to put sand volleyball courts on property of their establishments? The one by my ex-girlfriend's house in Corpus Christi was always packed with HS and college kids playing.
That would probably be the local franchise owners decision.

I remember some guys that I was working with out of Sacramento in 2004, they were talking about this great new burger place in Modesto that we were going to stop at when we finished our survey there....we pulled into a Sonic, and I laughed. I told them that in OKC they are on every other corner like a Subway and my sister worked at one. We rarely went to one in Austin and only a few times here in Denver, usually for cherry limeades.

As far as Sonic and small towns, most of them in Texas that have a decent size (more than a few thousand) have three places, a Sonic, a DQ and a Pizza Hut if they have anything. We do wish the DQ's up here had the Texas food menu but then Texas DQ is a quasi-separate entity from the DQ mothership.


I believe it's 300 miles by road from Tuttle. I've found them as far south as Waco, but no farther...
They want their drivers to be able to round trip to/from Tuttle in one day. Hillsboro is the furthest south, it was a regular stop to stock up on trips north from Austin. There have been rumors of them opening up in Waco. The others along the south edge of DFW that I know of would be Mineral Wells, Corsicana and Athens. We stopped at one in Amarillo (none in Lubbock) last weekend on the way back to Denver, The closest to us are Amarillo/Dumas and Salina, Kansas. I wish they would expand their reach but I can understand why they don't. I wish we had Whataburger and Taco Bueno up here, the closest Whataburger is Amarillo or Albuquerque, Bueno is in Amarillo.

Jim Kyle
06-26-2013, 08:45 PM
Do they still have any Cousin Jack's places in Denver? They were everywhere, like Sonic in OKC, when I last spent a few days in the mile-high city. Their specialty was Cornish Pastys -- great eating!

bluedogok
06-26-2013, 08:55 PM
I haven't seen that name around.

kevinpate
06-26-2013, 08:56 PM
... The closest [Braum's] to us are Amarillo/Dumas and Salina, Kansas. ...

Suddenly caught myself on memory lane. Late in 1982 I was involved in seismic work and was freezing my tushie off as a Ding Dong Daddy in Dumas. God love the Key Motel kitchenettes and all the humor that odd little place provided, and Mr. Gatti's too.

Jim Kyle
06-26-2013, 08:57 PM
Well, it's been almost 40 years ago that I was there, so it's not surprising that a fast-food chain had bitten the dust...

bradh
06-26-2013, 09:06 PM
Wishing for a Bueno? Don't hear that often.

I wish we had more Taco Cabana's up here. Love that place.

Bellaboo
06-26-2013, 09:34 PM
The opened a Sonic in Cambridge, Minnesota a while back. I think it only stayed open a year or two then closed. I find that to be astounding.

Too cold up there for outside eating.

bluedogok
06-26-2013, 09:42 PM
Wishing for a Bueno? Don't hear that often.

I wish we had more Taco Cabana's up here. Love that place.
We had one open up in our part of South Austin, being away from it for quite a few years I grew to miss it. There just isn't the same type of place up here, it was always good for what it is. I just think of Taco Cabana as a different type of fast food, more fast casual. Not Bueno/Bell but a step up, I rarely went there even before Torchy's Tacos opened up a few blocks from TC, after Torchy's opened TC was an afterthought.

sooner88
06-27-2013, 11:29 AM
I've had friends and family who live in the New York area that came to visit, and one of the first places they wanted to visit was Sonic. It was one of those places (like In-N-Out is to us) that gets hyped up and talked about a lot by transplants to those areas... The drinks are good, but don't really care for most of the food.

SoonerDave
06-27-2013, 12:50 PM
I like Sonic, but I kinda wish Sonic would pay at least part of its attention to improving the service at its local drive-ins. We only go for the occasional drink these days, but we just gave up on improperly filled food orders, delays, mistakes, chronically undercooked tots/fries (yuck) etc. etc. Some of their newer food offerings aren't bad, but when it just takes too long, or gets filled wrong, you kinda just throw up your hands eventually...YMMV, of course...

venture
06-27-2013, 01:09 PM
Too cold up there for outside eating.

People up north don't eat Sonic outside. Every one I've seen the car hop parking area will be empty, but the drive thru will have a long line. They just don't know any better.

Bunty
06-27-2013, 10:59 PM
I don't want to derail this thread, but I ate at an In-N-Out and it sucked.

Big Deal. Name any fast food chain. Someone is always going to insist it sucks, such as Jack-in-the-Box for another example.

Bunty
06-27-2013, 11:01 PM
I don't want to derail this thread, but I ate at an In-N-Out and it sucked.

And to get back in thread topic--Sonic, too.

Bunty
06-27-2013, 11:04 PM
I like Sonic, but I kinda wish Sonic would pay at least part of its attention to improving the service at its local drive-ins. We only go for the occasional drink these days, but we just gave up on improperly filled food orders, delays, mistakes, chronically undercooked tots/fries (yuck) etc. etc. Some of their newer food offerings aren't bad, but when it just takes too long, or gets filled wrong, you kinda just throw up your hands eventually...YMMV, of course...
Some of those things happen with me, but not too often.

For the summer, I love their half priced shakes after 8pm and now in many flavors.

Plutonic Panda
06-27-2013, 11:08 PM
Big Deal. Name any fast food chain. Someone is always going to insist it sucks, such as Jack-in-the-Box for another example.im not trying to say its a big deal and it is my opinion. Of course, as with anything, there is going to people who will dislike it. I just wanted to throw in mt two cents.

Plutonic Panda
06-27-2013, 11:10 PM
And to get back in thread topic--Sonic, too.sonic, I momism mot great or anything like that .i mainly eat three for their peanut butter shake, limeades, and I do like their new spicy popcorn chicken

traxx
06-28-2013, 10:32 AM
I would assume Braum's limit on how far out they'll put a restaurant has more to do with quality control than anything since they are a vertically integrated company and freshness is a big concern for them. I just can't understand why they can't get their restaurants figured out. They need to be cleaner and more efficient.

Pete
01-08-2014, 03:49 PM
Great article on Sonic:

As McDonald's Struggles, Retro Burger Chain Sonic Soars - DailyFinance (http://www.dailyfinance.com/2014/01/08/burger-chain-sonic-soars-mcdonalds-sales-struggle/)

dankrutka
01-08-2014, 08:16 PM
^^^^

"McDonald's has been on a health kick lately. It's been promoting its grilled chicken salads and recently added breakfast sandwiches made with egg whites. Sonic, on the other hand, is crediting no small part of the success of its most recent quarter to its milkshakes and new Cheesecake Bites. Consumers may talk about eating healthier, but they do something else when they're eating out. We're seeing this in the chains that continue to do well. Chipotle Mexican Grill's (CMG) chunky burritos aren't healthy. Cheesecake Factory (CAKE) throws portion control to the wind with entrees that could feed entire families.

Sonic, by the same token, is merrily rolling along, blending up peanut-butter-and-bacon shakes. (Yes, that's a thing.)"

That's a little depressing to read. I am always looking for healthier, low calorie options at fast food restaurants when I'm on the run and Sonic has few offerings. I guess I'm in the minority because the only thing I'll order at McDonald's are a strawberry/banana smoothie and the egg white delight breakfast sandwich.

ljbab728
01-08-2014, 11:28 PM
I'm not surprised about the comments about McDonald's. I don't go there often but, when I do, it's to buy their traditional offerings like a Big Mac, not the new frufru offerings.

MWCGuy
01-09-2014, 12:28 AM
McDonald's has proven they will sell what the people will buy. Granted they keep their junk food staples but, they are working hard to provide something for everyone. You can eat their and eat healthy if you really want to.

Subway is just as bad as McDonald's for the calories, fat content and carbs. The sandwhich is only healthy if you eat wheat/or whole grain bread, with veggies, lean meat, no cheese and no dressing. I don't very many people that can eat that way except your health food junkies. The problem with fattening foods is that our portions are way too big. You should never eat as much as we eat these days. Years ago a six inch sub or a single patty burger would fill somebody up. Now people are not full unless they eat a 12 inch sub and have two three patties on the burger.

ljbab728
01-09-2014, 12:32 AM
McDonald's has proven they will sell what the people will buy. Granted they keep their junk food staples but, they are working hard to provide something for everyone. You can eat their and eat healthy if you really want to.

Subway is just as bad as McDonald's for the calories, fat content and carbs. The sandwhich is only healthy if you eat wheat/or whole grain bread, with veggies, lean meat, no cheese and no dressing. I don't very many people that can eat that way except your health food junkies. The problem with fattening foods is that our portions are way too big. You should never eat as much as we eat these days. Years ago a six inch sub or a single patty burger would fill somebody up. Now people are not full unless they eat a 12 inch sub and have two three patties on the burger.

People can do the same thing eating at home. It's a choice and nothing more. You can't force people to eat a certain way.

bombermwc
01-09-2014, 06:53 AM
Not to be a downer here, but fast food eateries are there to make money. They're going to push what people buy. So if we're getting fat off of it, it's because we chose to buy it. Nobody forces anybody else to buy a Big Mac or to put 4 kinds of meat on their Subway sub. Take personal responsibility for the actions folks. If you don't want to get fat from it....shock, don't eat it! Every home has this thing in the kitchen that converts the stuff in your fridge to a meal....it's called a stove. Use it.

OKVision4U
01-09-2014, 08:07 AM
I would assume Braum's limit on how far out they'll put a restaurant has more to do with quality control than anything since they are a vertically integrated company and freshness is a big concern for them. I just can't understand why they can't get their restaurants figured out. They need to be cleaner and more efficient.

Braums is beyond conservative, they are a cheap organization. Its one of the nastiest places to eat.

Why doesn't Braums build a new corporate HQ in Bricktown? ... That would be a nice start to (re-investing) in your company and bringing your "brand" to the front again.

dankrutka
01-09-2014, 11:13 AM
Not to be a downer here, but fast food eateries are there to make money. They're going to push what people buy. So if we're getting fat off of it, it's because we chose to buy it. Nobody forces anybody else to buy a Big Mac or to put 4 kinds of meat on their Subway sub. Take personal responsibility for the actions folks. If you don't want to get fat from it....shock, don't eat it! Every home has this thing in the kitchen that converts the stuff in your fridge to a meal....it's called a stove. Use it.

I totally agree, but... what do you do when people show the inability to make smart health decisions? We have an epidemic in this country that is straining our health system because people are unable to make smart choices for them and their children (which is mindboggling to me) and it's affecting the entire country. Even though I generally eat healthy, the poor decisions of others affect me indirectly because of rising medical costs, etc.

I think the biggest problem is that most people do not know, or think about, what they're eating. They lack consciousness. They're not conscious that if they eat 1,200 calories at lunch, they probably need to run 3-5 miles to work the extra calories off. What would happen if there was a "sin tax" on unhealthy food? Maybe just a penny (no the dollar) tax, but these unhealthy items would be clearly marked, thus forcing people to at least consider what they're putting in their bodies. Even just requiring restaurants to list calories with food could at least help to raise consciousness and assist people in making better decisions. Anyway, I know the "sin tax" probably won't happen, but isn't unhealthy eating as destructive as smoking (which is taxed) for many people? I'm just thinking out loud so please don't make this into a huge partisan slugfest.

dmoor82
01-09-2014, 01:15 PM
Braums is beyond conservative, they are a cheap organization. Its one of the nastiest places to eat.

Why doesn't Braums build a new corporate HQ in Bricktown? ... That would be a nice start to (re-investing) in your company and bringing your "brand" to the front again.

1) that's your opinion 2) Sonic already has built a new(ish) corporate hq in Brick town off of Reno Avenue.

bombermwc
01-10-2014, 06:41 AM
dankrutha - I can totally appreciate that stance on the whole subject. On one hand I agree that if you tax it, it would force people to think about it. On the other hand, those of us that make good choices then also pay to have a soda. Is that terrible? Probably not, especially since I'm not going to have one often. But the more difficult side of that is the good ole' choice battle. Here in the U.S., if you choose to eat terribly and become a 400 tub-o-lard, that's your right. Unfortunately, the way the medical world is designed in the U.S., that also means we all pay for those poor choices.

What do you think about this to help with the choice incentivation? Go ahead with the use tax you mentioned (if it's >x calories for that one item)...then take it to a new level. Make the tax scale up so for every X calories over the limit, add the tax again. And if it's over other thresholds, double it, and so on. So maybe 25 cents per 50 calories up to 100, then 50 cents....remember this is per item, not for the meal. That way when you order a la carte, you still get it. Now here's the new whopper (forgive the pun) of a change.

Have the insurance companies start charging more in premiums for BMI (or some other index) over a healthy amount. AND give a premium reduction for those paying for a gym membership or can otherwise prove they are exercising.

Just some ramblings.

dmoore - I agree that Braum's is pretty crappy on the corporate side, but I actually like their burgers very much. I don't think they have the corporate staff to need a downtown location though. Their offices are pretty small in comparison to the rest of the facility up on I-35 (warehouse, store, etc). I have a friend that worked for them in the corporate office for a short time....it was not a pleasant experience either.

OKVision4U
01-10-2014, 07:15 AM
1) that's your opinion 2) Sonic already has built a new(ish) corporate hq in Brick town off of Reno Avenue.

It is not an opinion, Braums is incredibly conservative. So much so, they miss opportunities in the market place.

Also, was referring to Braums moving their HQ to Bricktown, it would help their brands' positioning in this region. Sometimes we forget about Braum's and thats their fault. (marketing)