View Full Version : What's the City's Problem with keeping up with street light maintenance?



metro
05-20-2013, 09:32 AM
So over the last 2 months or so, I've noticed a significant increase in number of street lights out across the city. I've never seen a city the size of OKC or bigger that has such an issue with it (we won't talk about the color of lights being random either). Over the last few weeks, including this past weekend (and no, I don't think it was storm related, as random lights were out, and other business lights were on); I've noticed I-44 near the fairgrounds completely out, the fairgrounds lights out, NW 10th street lights out (both directions including on/off ramps), the new I-40 many of the lights are off including all the on/off ramps at Agnew, Penn, Western and Shields. When you get off on the Western exit heading into downtown, all the lights on Western until Reno are out. Plenty of lights were out on NW Expressway as well. Just a 15 minute drive from Expressway to DT I probably saw several hundred lights out. Again, this has been on multiple occasions and not just this weekend during storms. To have entire sections of freeway completely dark, especially the "gateway to downtown" is absolutely ridiculous.

HangryHippo
05-20-2013, 09:48 AM
So over the last 2 months or so, I've noticed a significant increase in number of street lights out across the city. I've never seen a city the size of OKC or bigger that has such an issue with it (we won't talk about the color of lights being random either). Over the last few weeks, including this past weekend (and no, I don't think it was storm related, as random lights were out, and other business lights were on); I've noticed I-44 near the fairgrounds completely out, the fairgrounds lights out, NW 10th street lights out (both directions including on/off ramps), the new I-40 many of the lights are off including all the on/off ramps at Agnew, Penn, Western and Shields. When you get off on the Western exit heading into downtown, all the lights on Western until Reno are out. Plenty of lights were out on NW Expressway as well. Just a 15 minute drive from Expressway to DT I probably saw several hundred lights out. Again, this has been on multiple occasions and not just this weekend during storms. To have entire sections of freeway completely dark, especially the "gateway to downtown" is absolutely ridiculous.

I'll add to this that I'm sometimes perplexed at how many lights OKC puts up. It must be unreal to try and keep up with.

metro
05-20-2013, 10:05 AM
Yes, but the City needs to have a better mechanism other than the "Action" Center for being proactive on keeping lights on major thoroughfares from having large sections going burnt out. That's embarrassing on our city to both residents and outside visitors passing through.

Jim Kyle
05-20-2013, 10:13 AM
A few years ago, the problem wasn't burnt-out bulbs, but hungry rodents. The underground wiring was sheathed in a lead wrap for waterproofing, and gophers apparently loved the taste of lead. As they gnawed away, they would bite through all the insulation, short out the wiring, and blow fuses. Since the gopher perished before the fuse let go, they never learned not to do this.

Now, of course, the use of lead is a no-no for environmental reasons, but I'm not sure the gophers aren't still working on the wiring. It's a bit suspicious that most of the outages are along highways...

adaniel
05-20-2013, 11:19 AM
This sounds like something you may want to call ODOT for. I believe a lot of that was turned off during the 40 reconstruction. I've definitely noticed some of the mast lighting off around the 40/44 interchange.

ljbab728
05-20-2013, 11:42 PM
So over the last 2 months or so, I've noticed a significant increase in number of street lights out across the city. I've never seen a city the size of OKC or bigger that has such an issue with it.

And just how have you been able to track the number of lights out in cities the size or OKC or bigger?

Plutonic Panda
05-21-2013, 03:24 AM
I agree 100% on this. I'm hoping that when they get I-40 100% complete and all of the interchanges done, that this will be solved. The other night, the entire I-35/I-40 J(j as in j but it's a capital J)unction (both of them!!!!!!) was out.

Is it unreasonable to have a light system where if a light goes out, a computer notifies the maintenance repair team and they just go out and fix it? Also, does anyone know what a halogen light cost and an LED light, for the road light of course.

metro
05-21-2013, 12:30 PM
And just how have you been able to track the number of lights out in cities the size or OKC or bigger?

By observation

metro
05-21-2013, 12:31 PM
This sounds like something you may want to call ODOT for. I believe a lot of that was turned off during the 40 reconstruction. I've definitely noticed some of the mast lighting off around the 40/44 interchange.

I've contacted OG&E and ODOT, very rarely does anything get done. Regardless of who's "responsible" this is a large problem with our CITY, and the CITY needs to have better mechanisms in place to prevent this from happening on such large scales across multiple sections of town. It's embarrassing. No wonder why there is gang graffiti on the highways, sure it won't prevent it, but it will deter it more if adequate lighting actually worked half the time.

Architect2010
05-21-2013, 01:42 PM
I've contacted OG&E and ODOT, very rarely does anything get done. Regardless of who's "responsible" this is a large problem with our CITY, and the CITY needs to have better mechanisms in place to prevent this from happening on such large scales across multiple sections of town. It's embarrassing. No wonder why there is gang graffiti on the highways, sure it won't prevent it, but it will deter it more if adequate lighting actually worked half the time.

Shields boulevard between 44th and 74th is sometimes dark for no apparent reason. That area should be lit as bright as possible. I too, am perplexed by random stretches of unlit thoroughfares.

bchris02
05-21-2013, 07:21 PM
And just how have you been able to track the number of lights out in cities the size or OKC or bigger?

I disagree that OKC is worse in this regard than other cities. Copper thieves are a big deal about everywhere.

UncleCyrus
05-22-2013, 01:51 AM
Is it unreasonable to have a light system where if a light goes out, a computer notifies the maintenance repair team and they just go out and fix it? Also, does anyone know what a halogen light cost and an LED light, for the road light of course.

For the first question, I'm sure it is technically possible, but would probably be cost-prohibitive to install. As for halogen or LED lights, neither are used for roadway lighting. Again, cost is a factor as the HID lamps most commonly used give a lot more light output for the current drawn.

UncleCyrus
05-22-2013, 02:05 AM
Speaking of lights, does anyone know why many of the lights on the bike/walking trails at Lake Hefner haven't been on for a couple of years now? It can get a little spooky in those trees around the south side of the lake.

Plutonic Panda
05-22-2013, 02:34 AM
For the first question, I'm sure it is technically possible, but would probably be cost-prohibitive to install. As for halogen or LED lights, neither are used for roadway lighting. Again, cost is a factor as the HID lamps most commonly used give a lot more light output for the current drawn.Ah, I never thought about HID lights. Are those just modified incandescents? They're really nice for cars(as long as your the person driving with them lol). I also heard somewhere that Kilpatrick was getting new LEDS though.

UncleCyrus
05-23-2013, 11:12 AM
Here you go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-intensity_discharge_lamp

I hadn't heard about LEDs on the Kilpatrick. I'd love to see how those work out. Probably would be less expensive over the long run.

LakeEffect
05-23-2013, 01:19 PM
Here you go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-intensity_discharge_lamp

I hadn't heard about LEDs on the Kilpatrick. I'd love to see how those work out. Probably would be less expensive over the long run.

LEDs are in use in Edmond and OKC (tests). OG&E has installed a few test spots in neighborhoods and along SW 15th between Portland & Meridian.

Plutonic Panda
05-24-2013, 06:28 PM
Here you go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-intensity_discharge_lamp

I hadn't heard about LEDs on the Kilpatrick. I'd love to see how those work out. Probably would be less expensive over the long run.Well, I heard it from just word of mouth and they do look like the they would be LEDs(even though I can't see the actually bulb).

Very cool though!

Questor
05-27-2013, 05:00 PM
Norman's Main Street is supposed to be the first major roadway in OK to go all-LED in the near future. This article is a bit dated; I believe what I've heard is that there were some setbacks because the standards for light pollution and such that the city arrived at were so stringent OG&E did not possess any lights/light poles that would meet spec. So there has been some redesign and they're hoping to get things going in the next year or so.

LED lights could line Main Street Headlines The Norman Transcript (http://normantranscript.com/headlines/x568428672/LED-lights-could-line-Main-Street?mobRedir=false)

Plutonic Panda
06-03-2013, 01:08 AM
Just got back from a late night joy ride, I really hope this is solved soon. There were tons of lights out on the new I-40 and almost every highway had stretches of lights that weren't lit. This is crazy and embarrassing.

metro
06-03-2013, 01:27 PM
Yep, all over the city, big swaths of lights out, and this was before all the storms. Embarrassing indeed.

Bellaboo
06-03-2013, 03:50 PM
Yep, all over the city, big swaths of lights out, and this was before all the storms. Embarrassing indeed.

They're saving power don't you know...

ljbab728
06-03-2013, 10:42 PM
Just got back from a late night joy ride, I really hope this is solved soon. There were tons of lights out on the new I-40 and almost every highway had stretches of lights that weren't lit. This is crazy and embarrassing.

Plupan, you must be independently wealthy if you can afford gas for joy riding. LOL

Plutonic Panda
06-04-2013, 01:48 AM
Plupan, you must be independently wealthy if you can afford gas for joy riding. LOLWell, I don't do it that often, maybe once in a blue moon. Plus, this Malibu I have gets pretty good gas mileage, when I keep my foot of the pedal lol

OKCSteel
06-04-2013, 08:26 AM
Are they out because of the storms and the fact that power to customers is more important? They got the power back on N. Penn quickly and left the street lights while they went and serviced others without power. It could just be a case of priorities.

jccouger
06-04-2013, 10:37 AM
I like how you can get a ticket for having 1 brake light out, but the city does hardly anything about replacing street lights (which is far more dangerous).

HangryHippo
06-04-2013, 11:16 AM
Again, not the city. OG&E maintains the street lights.

Okay, but the point remains. Why are the lights in such shoddy condition?

Rover
06-04-2013, 12:24 PM
Oh, I agree with the point. I just think it's more helpful to know who to blame. OG&E, in my opinion, does a very 'shoddy' job of keeping the street lights maintained.

But it is more fun and on-point to blame the government for all problems. :wink:

metro
06-04-2013, 12:56 PM
Shouldn't the City of OKC keep OG&E accountable, THAT is the issue, as it looks bad on the CITY. Most out of towners noticing the poor lighting aren't going to go, man OKC sure has an OG&E problem.

HangryHippo
06-04-2013, 01:25 PM
Shouldn't the City of OKC keep OG&E accountable, THAT is the issue, as it looks bad on the CITY. Most out of towners noticing the poor lighting aren't going to go, man OKC sure has an OG&E problem.

No. Rover clearly pointed out that asking the city to be accountable is abhorrent.


Obviously, there is a problem with the monopoly OG&E has on street lights. The condition of the lights around town is abysmal, but what kind of accountability does OG&E have to the citizens over streetlights? This needs to be pushed by the citizens on the city until we see better work.

Rover
06-04-2013, 02:59 PM
No. Rover clearly pointed out that asking the city to be accountable is abhorrent.


Obviously, there is a problem with the monopoly OG&E has on street lights. The condition of the lights around town is abysmal, but what kind of accountability does OG&E have to the citizens over streetlights? This needs to be pushed by the citizens on the city until we see better work.

Over-reach a little? LOL

When did it become wrong to hold the RIGHT entity accountable instead of continuing to first and always accuse the "government". Pick up the phone, type an email, text them, protest in front of their office, do whatever you are moved to do, but do it to OG&E. Let THEM know your outrage. Pick the right party to complain about.

There is still lots to hold the government accountable for and to complain about, so have at it.

bchris02
06-05-2013, 01:01 AM
I have said it in this thread before and I will say it again. Compared to many cities, OKC's street lights are in good working condition on its freeways. The lights are out at both ends of the new I-40 I believe because construction is still going on there. Copper theft is a big problem everywhere and when you see a string of lights that all of a sudden stop working, that is many times the culprit.

okcpulse
06-05-2013, 08:33 AM
The high mast lamps in Houston go out all the time for weeks, and when they do go out it happens in long sections, like an entire mile. Eventually, the crews lower the lamps for maintenance only to have them go out again six months later for another four or five weeks. And these are new lamps.

Plutonic Panda
02-21-2022, 10:53 PM
It would be interesting to see ODOT use this type of lighting on freeways to reduce light pollution: https://www.clantonassociates.com/our-projects/i-25-trinidad

Ward
02-22-2022, 01:00 PM
I'd like to know WHY the stripes that denote the middle of the road, and each line, are not being installed or kept up?

Granted, sometimes you'll see them, but maybe paint is too expensive to buy? HAHA thats a joke.

I'm tired of driving at night, or in rainy weather, etc, and not being able to tell what lane I'm in, as well as what lane other vehicles are in.

WTH is up with this?

Bill Robertson
02-22-2022, 01:05 PM
I'd like to know WHY the stripes that denote the middle of the road, and each line, are not being installed or kept up?

Granted, sometimes you'll see them, but maybe paint is too expensive to buy? HAHA thats a joke.

I'm tired of driving at night, or in rainy weather, etc, and not being able to tell what lane I'm in, as well as what lane other vehicles are in.

WTH is up with this?
This!!!!

Pete
02-22-2022, 01:06 PM
^

I mentioned this when I first moved back here.

I was driving on I-44 in the rain going to the airport at night and due to the poor striping and lack of streetlights, I had no idea if I was even in a lane. Very dangerous.

mugofbeer
02-22-2022, 01:46 PM
^

I mentioned this when I first moved back here.

I was driving on I-44 in the rain going to the airport at night and due to the poor striping and lack of streetlights, I had no idea if I was even in a lane. Very dangerous.

Perhaps when someone has a wreck in the rain and in a hiway section where lights have been out an extended period of time, they sue the #s$%%! and name both the city and OG&E in the suit. I would think this would both sort out who is the responsible party and give both parties incentive to keep up lighting and striping.

Jersey Boss
02-22-2022, 01:50 PM
It would be interesting to see ODOT use this type of lighting on freeways to reduce light pollution: https://www.clantonassociates.com/our-projects/i-25-trinidad

It would be interesting to see ODOT use ANY type of lighting on freeways like 240.

TheTravellers
02-22-2022, 03:19 PM
I'd like to know WHY the stripes that denote the middle of the road, and each line, are not being installed or kept up?

Granted, sometimes you'll see them, but maybe paint is too expensive to buy? HAHA thats a joke.

I'm tired of driving at night, or in rainy weather, etc, and not being able to tell what lane I'm in, as well as what lane other vehicles are in.

WTH is up with this?

Been a problem the 40 years I've been driving here, don't know if it will *ever* change. Other municipalities in other states aren't nearly this bad. Self-driving cars will never happen in OKC if things don't change WRT striping.