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Patrick
06-28-2005, 11:06 AM
Block bounded by Walker, Dewey, Robert S. Kerr, and NW 4th
301 N. Walker (http://goo.gl/maps/VP22Z)

Developed by Mike Henderson, sold to Inland Real Estate Acquisitions, Inc. in 2008
Recently sold for $39,000,000 (then a per-unit state record)
height=4 stories
sq. feet=304,833
acreage=6.23
303 residential units, plus street-level retail and restaurants

http://www.okctalk.com/images/wikiphotos/legacy1.jpg

Information & Latest News
3/18/14: Avana makeover planned (http://newsok.com/avana-arts-district-makeover-planned/article/3944332)
3/14/14: Renovation renderings and plans revealed (http://www.okctalk.com/showwiki.php?title=Avana%20Arts%20District&page=4#post759684)
Tenants

Steak and Catfish
Hobby's Hoagies (http://www.hobbyshoagies.com/show_page.php?page_id=348)
La Cueva Grill (http://www.facebook.com/pages/La-Cueva-Grill/151749451584153)
Comet Cleaners
Velvet Monkey Salon (http://velvetmonkeysalon.com/)

Links
County Assessor Record (http://www.oklahomacounty.org/assessor/Searches/AN-R.asp?ACCOUNTNO=R013360260)
Avana Website (http://www.avanaartsdistrict.com/)
Gallery

okcpulse
06-28-2005, 12:36 PM
At least it's good to know the project is still alive. I believed it was, but I wasn't 100 percent sure.

brianinok
06-29-2005, 02:51 PM
I am actually kinda surprised that project still has some life in it. But, I am very, very glad that it does.

soonerguru
06-29-2005, 09:00 PM
Still, the article is rather vague as to when the project will turn dirt. It seems everything the OCURA touches turns to ****.

metro
06-08-2006, 04:23 PM
***UPDATE ***
The name has changed to Legacy Summit at Arts Quarter now that the Arts District has added "Arts Quarter" to the area. Additionally, some of the first story walls have gone up today. I took pictures and will upload them into my gallery here shortly. Can't wait to see this sprout up.

BDP
06-09-2006, 08:21 AM
Maybe if it gets delayed long enough they'll build something that won't suck.

Doubt it. Still waiting for mediocrity...

John
06-09-2006, 09:52 AM
Maybe if it gets delayed long enough they'll build something that won't suck.

Doubt it. Still waiting for mediocrity...

Amen.

What is being built is quite different from what was originally proposed.

Par for the course from Mr. Henderson. :fighting2

It'll be better than an empty field next to downtown, though...

Pete
06-09-2006, 10:41 AM
Ultimately, Henderson will have to face the competition of more imaginative developments that are planned, underway, or to come.

The sophisticated urban dweller is a much harder to please than the typical suburbanite.

Perhaps this development will serve the lower end, that is after rents are forced down by other projects.

metro
06-09-2006, 12:05 PM
Check out the pics in my gallery. I'll take some more next week as well.

metro
06-30-2006, 02:35 PM
Just drove by a few minutes ago. Looks like they started putting walls up on the second story today! Although most of us agree the design of this complex could have been more urban, it will be a much appreciated sight compared to the eyesore that the empty field was. It will also bring some street level retail to the CBD.

metro
07-25-2006, 10:41 AM
Drove by this morning on my usual route to work, work has started on the 3rd story on a few buildings now. Can't wait to see some windows and exterior finish going in. I'll take some pics this week.

jdsplaypin
07-25-2006, 01:41 PM
I could look but i'm lazy. How many stories will this be total. 3?

jbrown84
07-25-2006, 09:45 PM
Four.

Luke
07-25-2006, 10:10 PM
how urban.

jbrown84
07-26-2006, 10:46 AM
yes. very.

metro
07-26-2006, 03:00 PM
New pic in my gallery:

http://www.okctalk.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=204

Patrick
07-27-2006, 11:45 AM
4 is better than 3, right? LOL! I don't think it's the height that makes the difference, as much as the way the structures are built.

jbrown84
07-27-2006, 07:11 PM
4 is definitely better than three. It makes the difference between suburban apartments and quasi-urban ones. Do we have any idea what kind of street level retail there will be? It would be a great place for a Starbucks.

Patrick
07-28-2006, 01:04 PM
Deep Deuce is 3 story, yet is was built with an urban feel......buildings on the street, parking in back.

metro
07-28-2006, 03:25 PM
Deep Deuce is 3 story, yet is was built with an urban feel......buildings on the street, parking in back.

Patrick, is that similar to a mullet, business in the front, party in the back?? :tweeted: :congrats:

metro
08-02-2006, 03:19 PM
I talked with their marketing manager yesterday at a Chamber event. Looks like they are slating Nov. 1st as their first move-ins as well as first retail to open up. No word yet on any retail tenants.

metro
08-23-2006, 01:10 PM
Private-public cooperation wins praise as new retail-residential complex grows

By Steve Lackmeyer
The Oklahoman

After years of delays, a stretch of Walker Avenue that connects downtown’s Arts District and MidTown is being transformed from an eyesore filled with vacant lots and empty buildings to a reinvigorated urban corridor.
The fifth and final floor is being built at the $30 million Legacy at Arts Quarter. Meanwhile, the city is tearing up Walker Avenue in front of the complex and replacing it with a “streetscape” that will result in new sidewalks, landscaping, vintage-style street lamps, curbside parking and a narrower street planners hope will be friendlier to pedestrians.

When the Legacy apartments open, the 303-unit complex with first-floor retail space will be downtown’s largest residential complex yet. Development coordinator Kathy Bridges said the project is on track for the first units to open by November.

“We’re getting a lot of calls from people wanting to live at Legacy,” Bridges said. “And we’re very close to getting some retail tenants. It’s going great, and we’re very excited.”

Such enthusiasm is a far cry from last winter, when Urban Renewal commissioners were threatening to cancel the development deal after two years of delays. Legacy developer Mike Henderson, however, had to overcome a string of complications ranging from dealings with the Department of Housing and Urban Development to a spike in construction costs caused by Hurricane Katrina.

“Though all of us would have liked to have seen this two years ago, the quality is there and the market is now ready,” said Dave Lopez, president of Downtown Oklahoma City Inc. “If it had come sooner, I’m not sure it would have had the demand it has now.”

The project involved extensive coordination with the downtown Tax Increment Financing District, which helped finance a 485-space, four-story garage for the complex and the reopening of Dewey Avenue between Legacy and the neighboring Sycamore Square.

The city timed construction of Walker so that the portion that passes the new complex will be ready when the first tenants arrive.

“The city has been fabulous working with us,” Bridges said. “We’ve coordinated through Urban Renewal to get all this timed right.”

Engineer Tim Johnson, whose firm designed the streetscape, said such private-public cooperation was critical to his project. Both Henderson and neighboring developer Rick Dowell agreed to pay for brick to be placed in plazas where a concrete in-lay will be installed by the city.

“The whole project will look better because the developers are stepping up and participating,” Johnson said.

Johnson’s $3.5 million streetscape will rebuild Walker Avenue between Robert S. Kerr Avenue and NW 13, and will also include a new roundabout at NW 10 and Shartel.

“It’s not friendly for pedestrians now,” Johnson said. “You used to have to walk on the grass where the apartments are being built. When done, it will be similar to what’s been done on NW 10. It will be better lit, and with the trees, it will be a lot cooler to walk through.

“Ten years from now, this will be a great place to take a walk.”

ruok2
08-26-2006, 08:59 PM
Living at Sycmore Square, I'm not sure I like the new neighbors. I think the building is a monstrosity, and a slightly better eyesore than that barren field that it replaced. Sycamore Square isn't exactly urban, but at least it's tucked away from the street. The Legacy is very close to RS Kerr, and I'd hate to live in those apartmetns. I'd only be happy if the retail space includes a grocery store, but that's a dream. I'm not talking a Homeland, but something more along the lines of Trader Joe's or Whole Foods. Ahh, to dream.

Midtowner
08-26-2006, 10:17 PM
ruok2,

As a complex-neighbor, I can share your sentiment as to the need for a grocery store. I doubt that's happening with our new neighbors.

I'm just excited to see what kind of retail actually goes in -- and I pray that we don't see bail bondsmen setting up shop there.

soonerguru
08-26-2006, 11:46 PM
“Ten years from now, this will be a great place to take a walk.”

What the heck does Tim Johnson mean by that quote? Will they plant trees that are so small that it will be ten years before they produce any shade? Will it take ten years for retail or restaurants to move in?

Hopefully, it will be a nice place to walk as soon as the apartment opens, but Mr. Johnson's comment seems to apply to a lot of things this city has done in the past.

ruok2
08-28-2006, 01:06 AM
As a complex-neighbor, I can share your sentiment as to the need for a grocery store. I doubt that's happening with our new neighbors.

I'm just excited to see what kind of retail actually goes in -- and I pray that we don't see bail bondsmen setting up shop there.

Another bail bondsmen - now that made me laugh. Unfortunately, it would probably do quite well in that location. Personally, I'd be content with a coffee shop.

The lack of a grocery store is a fairly big deterrent to living downtown. I've tried the Homeland on 18th, but I've found that the smell of fried chicken permeates your clothes after about 2 minutes of being inside. There's really no where convenient to go. Let's hope the new residents at Legacy Summit increase the critical mass towards a legit grocery store.

Midtowner
08-28-2006, 06:43 AM
ruok2:

Some say I'm a pretty funny guy when I want to be.

-- but looks aren't everything.

metro
10-04-2006, 01:19 PM
I just drove by a few minute ago. Looks to be coming in right on target for early November. (well depending on who you talk to considering it was supposed to be done almot 3 years ago). Anyhow, the Brick is going up now, windows are in, and the retail storefronts are going to be a welcome addition to the Arts Quarter and the west side of downtown. I'm anxious to see who they announce as the first tenants.

Luke
10-04-2006, 05:37 PM
I'm anxious to see who they announce as the first tenants.

Indeed.

It'll be great for foot traffic in that area to get more good retail.

Maybe mid/upper class people will outnumber bums on non-show nights at the Civic Center.

;)

Patrick
10-05-2006, 10:48 AM
I drove by there a few minutes ago, and I think we're going to be impressed with this development. The apartment buildings will be right on the street like Deep Deuce......as close ot "urban" as we're probably going to get. And they're building the parking garage in the middle of the complex. This is one of the few apartment complexes I know that will have a parking garage. Not bad! And the buildings look pretty classy with the brick going up and all.

I think this will be a nice addition to downtown. We've all been big on Sycamore Square all these years, but these will probably actually be more urban in design than Sycamore, at least the way they'll be set up with parking in the middle in a structured parking format, and retail fronts at the street side.

Pete
10-05-2006, 01:10 PM
Glad to hear all this good news.

I've been very worried about this development for quite some time but it sounds like things are looking up.


I personally never liked Sycamore Square because it was a suburban development in an urban environment. IMO this is why it struggled from the word go.

ChristianConservative
10-05-2006, 01:21 PM
Glad to hear all this good news.

I've been very worried about this development for quite some time but it sounds like things are looking up.


I personally never liked Sycamore Square because it was a suburban development in an urban environment. IMO this is why it struggled from the word go.


I've also see these apartments in recent days. I would say they're somewhere between Deep Deuce and Sycamore Square. They have angled roof lines like Sycamore Square, which gives a suburban feel, but they're right up against the street, with a parking garage in the middle, which gives an urban feel. I applaud the developers for their use of structured parking. They need to talk to the developer of Lower Bricktown and explain to him what structured parking means!

Doug Loudenback
11-27-2006, 07:33 AM
Here are a few updates taken yesterday ...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/misc/random_11_26_06_10.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/misc/random_11_26_06_11.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/misc/random_11_26_06_12.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/misc/random_11_26_06_13.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/misc/random_11_26_06_14.jpg

The Old Downtown Guy
11-27-2006, 10:11 PM
It's great to look west down 4th Street and see the project from a little distance filling that former gigantic void. A decent infill development. The overhaul of Walker is coming along as well. Spring '07 will be extra special in OKC.

metro
12-10-2006, 08:12 PM
emailed them a week or so ago and just got this response about the latest:


Hello,

Thank you for your inquiry into Legacy At Arts Quarter. We are actually scheduled to open in late January, and feel that is should be the final extension. We are preleasing apartments to move in on February 1st.

Retail tenants that have been confirmed are Bodywerks Fitness Salon opening on January 2nd, and The Velvet Monkey Salon and Boutique, opening on March 1st. We currently have working a coffee shop, a dry cleaners, and a convenience store. These contracts should be finalized within the upcoming weeks.

If you are interested in securing an apartment home for Feb. 1st move-in, please contact me at 605-2787 for more information!

Sincerely,

Kathy Tisland
Director of Marketing
Legacy Communities

bandnerd
12-10-2006, 08:58 PM
emailed them a week or so ago and just got this response about the latest:


Wow, I got pretty much the same response. I asked about pricing, and got some specifics, and the lady even offered to give me a hardhat and a tour lol.

I'm excited about the velvet monkey salon going in! I can walk next door to get my hair "did." haha. And if the price is right I can walk to my gym, too. That would so sweet.

BG918
12-11-2006, 12:10 AM
Convenience store eh? Maybe a CVS-type store with groceries? They have urban models that are smaller than your typical CVS, something like that would be a great anchor for more residential growth in the Arts District. A coffee shop would be cool as well and would be frequented by residents and downtown office workers.

jbrown84
12-11-2006, 09:21 AM
They definitely have the right idea with the retail.

CuatrodeMayo
12-11-2006, 09:30 AM
Convenience store eh? Maybe a CVS-type store with groceries? They have urban models that are smaller than your typical CVS, something like that would be a great anchor for more residential growth in the Arts District.

When I was in San Antonio in May they had one of these right on the Paseo del Rio. I thought it was an odd place for a drug store, nevertheless it was a life-saver when you stay on the river for several days. Speaking from experience, I know that a CVS would not only be great for residents, but fabulous for out-of-towners staying downtown.

BG918
12-12-2006, 03:17 PM
Exactly, I was in Dallas a few months ago and I wanted some pop so I walked down the street to the "urban" CVS. Something like that on Walker would not only benefit residents of Legacy Summit but also Sycamore Square, Montgomery Lofts, and the other residential projects on the westside of downtown and in Midtown. And of course it would be used by office workers and people from out of town staying in downtown hotels.

I drove by today and I must say this project looks pretty good. How it comes up to the sidewalk with retail space on the street is how the Residence Inn in Bricktown should have been designed. I would love to see MORE development like this because most of those units aren't too expensive and more people would be able to live downtown. Turn Walker into a dense urban street like it has the potential to be.

okcitian
12-12-2006, 04:16 PM
When I was in Georgetown in DC this past summer, I was about a block away from an urban CVS which was pretty conventient. Sounds like a first step for the Legacy Summit to get a convenience store nearby.

Doug Loudenback
04-01-2007, 04:20 PM
I had to do some work at the office today and (of course!) just happened to take my camera with me! My original intent was to take an updated Sieber pic (did that, posted in my "Other downtown hotels" post) but as I was driving by the now-called "Legacy At Arts Quarter", it caught my fancy, too, and I got adventuresome when I saw a construction gate open and took some from the inner courtyard, too. Crews were working all around and it's obviously not done yet, but a guy on site I spoke with said that THIS WEEK some of the premises would start to be occupied by residential tenants. He also said that some of the "upper" level units would be condos and not apartments, which fact I've either not known or forgotten. Anyway, here are some pics ... click on a pic for a 1024 px wide view ...


The Main Entry With A Petite Waterfall

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_00s.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_00.jpg)

Same image but not cropped as much

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_01s.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_01.jpg)

Closer Look At The Main Entry

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_04s.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_04.jpg)

Another View

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_03s.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_03.jpg)

Further North Along Walker

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_02s.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_02.jpg)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_05s.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_05.jpg)

South Side Showing A Masochistic Fitness Facility
(nothing against this one at all, but aren't they all?)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_09s.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_09.jpg)

Inside The Courtyard

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_06s.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_06.jpg)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_07s.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_07.jpg)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_08s.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/apartments_condos/legacy_4_1_08.jpg)


I didn't get a close-up pic of the pool ... it's not very large, but the common/courtyard area looks as though it will be a nice place to kick back and hang out after one would walk home from the office just a block or three or so away! Even the courtyard view of the parking garage isn't bad to look at! All in all, I think that this project (finally getting done after, what, 3 years, delay) is a very worthwhile addition to downtown.

HOT ROD
04-01-2007, 05:33 PM
very suburban looking, something I'd expect (and rather) see along NW Expressway but hey .. its a "start" for downtown.

It would have been better if it were taller and the roofs were not pitched.!!

Spartan
04-01-2007, 05:44 PM
I don't believe it is bad at all.

Pete
04-01-2007, 05:53 PM
It's not horrible, but it's a long way from what was originally proposed.

Also, the size of the lettering on the awnings is garishly large.

bandnerd
04-01-2007, 06:07 PM
Yay, a Velvet Monkey AND a gym next door to me! Screw the $75/mo for a second parking space and bring on the retail!

Nixon7
04-02-2007, 07:03 PM
Looks similar to the centennial on the canal!! Wish it had some more color, but hey, its good to see housing coming up downtown.

okclee
04-02-2007, 07:41 PM
Would like to have seen more brick, maybe two stories of brick, buy at there is one level of brick. Well at least it will put more people living downtown.

Does anyone have a picture of what this project was supposed to look like when it was first submitted to Okc?

HOT ROD
04-04-2007, 01:16 AM
I thought, originally, a long time ago - that the Sycamore Square addition aka Legacy at Arts Central was supposed to be a highrise or two.

I REALLY hope we can get out of the suburban building mentality in the inner city. Sure, its better than nothing - but we are really selling ourselves short building low rise HUGE complex type buildings in downtown with the thought that they could be torn down and replaced later.

Urban Renewal had this same thought in the 1980's yet look at what they did to downtown and how long it has taken us to recover from their mistakes!!!

I think we need to have a master plan which shows high rise development (greater than 12 storeys) in the core downtown cbd (and expansion area) as well as the areas of the other downtown districts that are immediately adjacent to the CBD. Out from there, there could be a 5-storey minimum, then dropping further down.

I can't believe Legacy is ONLY going to have 3 floors occupied with ho-hum retail on the ground. What a waste! Especially considering the boom that will soon happen on Walker Ave.

This project is more suitable for the MidTown and UpTown areas (with the pitched roofs removed of course) or NW Expressway (with the pitched roofs) and under 5-storeys.

I think this is VERY POOR PLANNING by the city - there should have been better coordinated efforts to make this project taller (at least 6 storeys, come on!!!) with better retail options on the ground.

True, what we have is better than nothing and will go a long way toward giving downtown some much needed density - but look at the opportunity wasted!! Someone will have to come along later, at higher expense, to fix what happened here.

Come on, let's think BIG!!!

okclee
04-04-2007, 07:09 AM
We have residential, suburban builders and developers in the core of downtown doing what they do best, and that is building residential, suburban type buildings.

The more I look at this project the worse it gets. Just think this is as good as it is going to look right now, being that it is new. That stucco / siding that is being used on the Legacy will look like junk in about 5 years. I know this because I am in the residential building business, and I see it on apartments all around the metro.

When is the city going to put their foot down and say NO?, say NO to projects that are sub-par of what they could be. The city is so desperate to be BIG that they are making poor decisions. The city needs to raise it's standards all around the metro, and if that means that some builders aren't willing to build than so be it, there will be others that will.

I love the master plan that I see for downtown and the Core to Shore project. On paper it looks fantastic, but let's see how it plays out with the city. Will the city get desperate and sell short? Let's hope that the city will learn from it's mistakes and realize that downtown Okc is a prime spot for building and development and not just another spot in the suburbs. Downtown Okc deserves better.

Pete
04-04-2007, 11:29 AM
I was looking for the original plan / renderings for this project but can't seem to locate them. I can assure you that looked much better than what we now have.

Perhaps more concerning than the selection process is how OCURA allowed this project to change significantly after it was chosen and then let the developers miss repeated "final deadlines" without penalty, re-opening the property to other developers or going through any sort of formal review process.

I have the meeting minutes when all this was going and JV Bullard would just report on the status, call Henderson by his first name like he was a drinking buddy, and just let him carry on.

This is what really scares me about the Overholser Green project... They selected it and Wiggin immediately expressed concern about being able to sell such expensive units. The whole reason it was chosen (supposedly) was because of it's architecture and tie-ins with Heritage Hills. What do you bet that will all change down the road, and all to the advantage of the developer and not the community?

okclee
04-04-2007, 11:37 AM
The Legacy is in what Okc is calling the "Arts District", is that correct?

Since when did using more BRICK become such a problem? and what is with that pitched roof? I have seen better looking apartment complexes along south I-240.

Flatlander
04-05-2007, 06:59 PM
okclee which apartments do you think look better along I-240?

metro
04-05-2007, 07:09 PM
actually okclee, they renamed the area the Arts Quarter as a subsection of the arts district, but yeah you get the point.

jbrown84
04-05-2007, 07:15 PM
Are you sure about that? I thought it was all renamed the Arts Quarter.

okclee
04-05-2007, 08:12 PM
okclee which apartments do you think look better along I-240?

My point is that the Legacy isn't anything special, as far as architectural aspect, especially for being downtown in the new "Art Quarter District". The use of all of the stucco-siding, to me looks cheap, because it is a cheap material. The general contractor has built this same Legacy project all over the metro and with the same Legacy name.

Maybe we can get ERC to build downtown for the Core to Shore housing project?

Flatlander
04-05-2007, 08:22 PM
To me its better than a vacant lot.

Pete
04-05-2007, 10:22 PM
Here was one of the renderings when Henderson was originally chosen as developer, a far cry from what we have now:

www.okctalk.com/images/pete/legacyoriginal.jpg

HOT ROD
04-06-2007, 05:07 AM
OMG, Urban Renewal should be fired. They should have mandated that this ^^ be built.

It just looks like the developer came up with this rendering to "swoo" the city into giving him the land - -- then only to change it from 5 to 4 storeys, nice use of brick and elegant siding to STUCCO, and flat roofs with Townhouse pitches to all pitches, "apartment complex style". BORING.

I agree, Legacy belongs in the suburbs - this project would have been great for downtown Edmond or Midwest City,

BUT Downtown Oklahoma City????

Come on...... We shouldn't be that desparate. I bet if URWL had re-bid the land, perhaps a developer would have come along with the original Sycamore Square plan that called for highrises in that lot. Or what about Brownstones?

Anything but something you'd see on NW Expressway (or I-240). Wake UP OKC city!!!

Flatlander
04-06-2007, 06:09 AM
I too believe it is not meant for this area,but still better than a vacant lot imo.Lets see how many highrise apartments have been built downtown lately,uh none.Why dont a developer build highrise apartments downtown?cost? I dont know.