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Hawk405359
03-05-2013, 03:16 PM
(CNN) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has died, Vice President Nicolas Maduro said Tuesday.

In a national broadcast, Maduro said Chavez died Tuesday at 4:25 p.m.

Flanked by Cabinet ministers, Maduro teared up as he announced the news.

"We must unite now more than ever," he said, calling on Venezuelans to remain peaceful and respectful.

In the coming hours, Maduro said, plans for Chavez's funeral would be announced.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez dies - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/05/world/americas/venezuela-chavez-main/index.html)

Larry OKC
03-05-2013, 03:21 PM
Didn't they say recently that he was recovering and rumors of his imminent demise were premature?

s00nr1
03-05-2013, 03:26 PM
So long to another socialist tyrannical dictator.

MadMonk
03-05-2013, 03:44 PM
Good riddance. We'll have to see if Maduro can maintain power, or if things go from bad to worse for the Venezuelans.

frontallobotomy
03-05-2013, 04:03 PM
Didn't they say recently that he was recovering and rumors of his imminent demise were premature?

That's what happens when you go to Cuba for medical care.

GaryOKC6
03-05-2013, 04:06 PM
He and Sadam Hussan are roasting marsmellows together they are waithing for the president of Iran to join them in hell.

zookeeper
03-05-2013, 04:17 PM
U.S. propaganda has demonized Chavez. It's the American Way. If we can't plunder them for their oil and resources and have our own dictatorial puppet, we'll demonize their elected president. Even the young man that challenged him back in October admitted the election was fair and the people had spoken. U.S. propaganda is powerful but there is no question the masses of Venezuelans are much better off today than before Chavez's election in 1998. Nobody disputes this. The methods are debated, but the end result is a stronger Venezuela. The rich who fled the land they plundered and left a nation of very rich and very poor don't like him and are the voice of Venezuela as far as US media is concerned.

The people of that country have lost their president and even his detractors have been seen in tears saying he was larger than life and had led Venezuela with a sense of humor and charisma that lifted Venezuela from 100% inflation in 1999 to a country of great influence. In other words, just as Republican leaders would find nice things to say if President Obama were to die in office. He was not the monster the U.S. propaganda machine would have you believe.

I know better and if people didn't allow the corporate media to spoon feed them, they would know too.

RIP Comandante Chavez - not a perfect man, but he wasn't launching cowardly drone strikes that kill many innocent people either.

WilliamTell
03-05-2013, 04:27 PM
I have an honest question - what did chavez ever do to me and you ?

The United States has a long history of propping up leaders in other countries with our money and weapons and the moment that they dont do exactly as told by the powers that be; the American public is sold the line that they are dangerous terrorist. If he was a ruthless dictator that secretly killed his enemys and anyone who opposed him, condoned high powered government officials living in the lap of luxury while rights and hard earned benefits were being stripped from the general population; a general population that were so intentionally divided by white, black, brown, yellow, liberal, moderate, democrat, and conservative that they could never truly organize and fight back their true oppressor...

Get what I mean.

Mel
03-05-2013, 05:12 PM
The important question is will gas go up or down.

rezman
03-05-2013, 05:36 PM
I have an honest question - what did chavez ever do to me and you ?

The United States has a long history of propping up leaders in other countries with our money and weapons and the moment that they dont do exactly as told by the powers that be; the American public is sold the line that they are dangerous terrorist. If he was a ruthless dictator that secretly killed his enemys and anyone who opposed him, condoned high powered government officials living in the lap of luxury while rights and hard earned benefits were being stripped from the general population; a general population that were so intentionally divided by white, black, brown, yellow, liberal, moderate, democrat, and conservative that they could never truly organize and fight back their true oppressor...

Get what I mean.


Yes, sounds quite familiar .... Hmmm.

Stew
03-05-2013, 05:41 PM
U.S. propaganda has demonized Chavez. It's the American Way. If we can't plunder them for their oil and resources and have our own dictatorial puppet, we'll demonize their elected president. Even the young man that challenged him back in October admitted the election was fair and the people had spoken. U.S. propaganda is powerful but there is no question the masses of Venezuelans are much better off today than before Chavez's election in 1998. Nobody disputes this. The methods are debated, but the end result is a stronger Venezuela. The rich who fled the land they plundered and left a nation of very rich and very poor don't like him and are the voice of Venezuela as far as US media is concerned.

The people of that country have lost their president and even his detractors have been seen in tears saying he was larger than life and had led Venezuela with a sense of humor and charisma that lifted Venezuela from 100% inflation in 1999 to a country of great influence. In other words, just as Republican leaders would find nice things to say if President Obama were to die in office. He was not the monster the U.S. propaganda machine would have you believe.

I know better and if people didn't allow the corporate media to spoon feed them, they would know too.

RIP Comandante Chavez - not a perfect man, but he wasn't launching cowardly drone strikes that kill many innocent people either.

Thank you Zookeeper.

GaryOKC6
03-05-2013, 06:07 PM
I have a very good friend that is from there. His family is still in Venezula. He tells a very different story. No corporate medeia information here just real life experience. People are afraid to speak out for fear of what he will do to them, their family or business. He takes what he wants from the people for his own profit. He is a very successful businessman in Norman but it would be different for him there.

Jim Kyle
03-05-2013, 06:21 PM
Interesting. I also have a friend who's there and he reports a very different story. According to him, the country had been ruled by an aristocracy for many years, that kept all power and privilege within their own ranks, and Chavez began dismantling that structure as soon as he came into power. The result, my friend says, is that the living standard of the average person has greatly improved, but the ousted aristocrats still seize every opportunity to try to undermine the Chavez government.

If we truly believe in a peoples' right to self-determination, we should just keep our hands away from the country and let the people themselves decide.

WilliamTell
03-05-2013, 06:33 PM
I used to work closely (literally sat in a cube next to him) with a younger engineer for about a year and he always had positive things to say; but I noticed when someone who didnt know him very well asked about the country he would immediately downplay/ slightly talk negative about the situation so he didnt have to explain himself or look like he was a sympathizer.

Biggest negative I heard him talk about was the price of electronics and how when he went back home he would take ipods (this is around 2007) because they were 2-3 times the price there.

MadMonk
03-05-2013, 07:03 PM
I've got no problem with them electing him. They have to live with the choice they made just like we do. However I don't have to idolize the socialistic blowhard (Chavez that is). Judging by some of the responses here I wouldn't be surprised to learn that screen printers are already cranking out Che-style t-shirts with Chavez's image. Happy marshmallow roasting indeed.

Jersey Boss
03-05-2013, 07:39 PM
It would be hard to make an argument that Venezuela and the average citizen there is not better off than they were before him. Yes he was a strong nationalist and ruled in the same manner as many Latin American strongmen. In view of this he was elected twice by popular vote gaining 56% in his first election. He did not sacrifice the interests of his nation to satisfy the interests of a foreign power. Can the same be said for the despots that the CIA installed in El Salvador, Guatemala, Chile, etc.? There will be plenty of CIA puppets in hell. Idolize? no. Respect what he did for his country? yeah. Certainly not a sell out. Had the USA not supported the coup leaders in 2002 who held power for all of 2 days, he might not have been so antagonistic to the USA. Never the less, he still provided the bulk of his petro exports to America.

RadicalModerate
03-05-2013, 08:26 PM
I've got no problem with them electing him. They have to live with the choice they made just like we do. However I don't have to idolize the socialistic blowhard (Chavez that is). Judging by some of the responses here I wouldn't be surprised to learn that screen printers are already cranking out Che-style t-shirts with Chavez's image. Happy marshmallow roasting indeed.

Ernesto "Che" Guevara:
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3Nyw6Hw3ZVgL0eA0Hx8KizCCT8m_IJ lbntlKnZZeOYX5zFLCB

Hugo "The Dearly Departed" Chavez:
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/chavez.jpg

I'd buy a Hugo Tee . . . it's way cooler . . . and more colorful.
(does the parrot with a beret signify that he's was a Jimmy Buffet fan? or just a mouthpiece for Fidel?)

anniemae
03-06-2013, 06:49 AM
Those who love Socialism will be saddened.

okcboomer
03-06-2013, 06:55 AM
He and Sadam Hussan are roasting marsmellows together they are waithing for the president of Iran to join them in hell.

I was unaware God posted on okctalk!

frontallobotomy
03-06-2013, 07:21 AM
I was unaware God posted on okctalk!

Only on special occasions.

Jersey Boss
03-06-2013, 08:33 AM
Those who love Socialism will be saddened.
Plutocrats will rejoice.

Just the facts
03-06-2013, 08:46 AM
People like socialism - we get that. But why do people who like socialism support people who use socialism as a front for personal wealth and power? That is the part I can't figure out.

Analyst estimates Chávez?s family fortune at around $2 billion (http://newsfromvenezuela.tumblr.com/post/867542155/analyst-estimates-chavezs-family-fortune-at-around-2)

In 12 years Chavez amassed $2 billion. My guess is he didn't do it trading cattle futures.

RadicalModerate
03-06-2013, 09:14 AM
Plutocrats will rejoice.

Neptunians are throwing a big shindig. The price of parrots is going through the roof.
Sounds like, in addition to "Das Kapital", 'Ooooogo Chavez read and internalized that slogan from "Animal Farm":
"All Animals Are Equal, But Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others"

Achilleslastand
03-06-2013, 10:08 AM
Did Sean Penn send flowers?

Bunty
03-06-2013, 10:12 AM
U.S. propaganda has demonized Chavez. It's the American Way. If we can't plunder them for their oil and resources and have our own dictatorial puppet, we'll demonize their elected president. Even the young man that challenged him back in October admitted the election was fair and the people had spoken. U.S. propaganda is powerful but there is no question the masses of Venezuelans are much better off today than before Chavez's election in 1998. Nobody disputes this. The methods are debated, but the end result is a stronger Venezuela. The rich who fled the land they plundered and left a nation of very rich and very poor don't like him and are the voice of Venezuela as far as US media is concerned.

The people of that country have lost their president and even his detractors have been seen in tears saying he was larger than life and had led Venezuela with a sense of humor and charisma that lifted Venezuela from 100% inflation in 1999 to a country of great influence. In other words, just as Republican leaders would find nice things to say if President Obama were to die in office. He was not the monster the U.S. propaganda machine would have you believe.

I know better and if people didn't allow the corporate media to spoon feed them, they would know too.

RIP Comandante Chavez - not a perfect man, but he wasn't launching cowardly drone strikes that kill many innocent people either.
So as justhefacts asked, where did his $2 billion in wealth come from? Or is that a lie from the propaganda?

RadicalModerate
03-06-2013, 11:08 AM
"Party On, dudes . . ."
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"I have to go buy some flowers for the Silent H-Man."

Mel
03-06-2013, 01:01 PM
Dang, the bbq with Dennis Rodman is going to be cancelled now.

zookeeper
03-06-2013, 03:37 PM
People like socialism - we get that. But why do people who like socialism support people who use socialism as a front for personal wealth and power? That is the part I can't figure out.

Analyst estimates Chávez?s family fortune at around $2 billion (http://newsfromvenezuela.tumblr.com/post/867542155/analyst-estimates-chavezs-family-fortune-at-around-2)

In 12 years Chavez amassed $2 billion. My guess is he didn't do it trading cattle futures.

People say this all the time about ANY leader that doesn't toe the line of the USA. There is absolutely no proof of any kind of this stealing of billions. Please, learn about this blogger. NewsFromVenezuela.com is a right-wing blog that lies on a daily basis and has for several years in an effort to undermine the current elected government of Venezuela. They admit they have left Venezuela and are part of the ultra-wealthy who left when it was clear that Chavez was no puppet for the US. Drudge linked to this article today and took it down after he realized the blogger has a dog in the fight and the "analyst" linked to is nothing but a one-man shop in DC who is aligned with Latin American right-wing interests.

I love it when you write on what you know about, and I support you. But you've swallowed the kool-aid on this one.

zookeeper
03-06-2013, 08:43 PM
I'm not much into conspiracies, but remembering the many attempts by the CIA to kill Castro, including the use of poison, you really have to wonder.

"Moscow, March 7 (IANS/RIA Novosti) The death of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez from cancer may have been part of a plot by the US to infect its enemies in Latin America with the disease, according to Gennady Zyuganov, leader of Russia's Communist party.

"How did it happen that six leaders of Latin American countries which had criticised US policies and tried to create an influential alliance in order to be independent and sovereign states, fell ill simultaneously with the same disease?" Zyuganov told Russian state television.

"In my view, this was far from a coincidence," said Zyuganov, head of Russia's second-largest political party.

He urged an investigation under "international control" into Chavez's death. Here's the full story: Russian leader accuses U.S. of causing Chavez and six other leaders cancer (http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130306/179849093/Chavez-Death-Could-Be-US-Plot--Russian-Communist-Leader.html)

Mel
03-06-2013, 08:57 PM
They all used bulgarian umbrellas.

zookeeper
03-06-2013, 09:05 PM
They all used bulgarian umbrellas.

This reads like something from The Onion, but this list from Mental Floss is all too true. 10 Ways the CIA Tried to Kill Castro | Mental Floss (http://mentalfloss.com/article/30010/10-ways-cia-tried-kill-castro)

RadicalModerate
03-07-2013, 07:46 AM
They all used bulgarian umbrellas.
That was PERFECT! ("Ricin . . . It's not just for defecting journalists anymore!")

In Breaking News . . .
The recent alleged murder of Hugo Chavez has been declared invalid because the agent's License to Kill was expired and he could not produce proof of insurance coverage. Details and film at 11.

Just the facts
03-07-2013, 01:24 PM
People say this all the time about ANY leader that doesn't toe the line of the USA. There is absolutely no proof of any kind of this stealing of billions. Please, learn about this blogger. NewsFromVenezuela.com is a right-wing blog that lies on a daily basis and has for several years in an effort to undermine the current elected government of Venezuela. They admit they have left Venezuela and are part of the ultra-wealthy who left when it was clear that Chavez was no puppet for the US. Drudge linked to this article today and took it down after he realized the blogger has a dog in the fight and the "analyst" linked to is nothing but a one-man shop in DC who is aligned with Latin American right-wing interests.

I love it when you write on what you know about, and I support you. But you've swallowed the kool-aid on this one.

The number came from CJIA - not the blogger. Are you now going to claim Celebritynetworth.com is part of the vast right wing conspiracy (right after saying you don't believe in conspiracies while quoting a communist Russian about a conspiracy)?

Hugo Chavez Net Worth | Celebrity Net Worth (http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/hugo-chavez-net-worth/)


Hugo Chavez net worth: Hugo Chavez was a Venezuelan politician who had a net worth of $1 billion at the time of his death on March 5th 2013. A 2010 report from Criminal Justice International Associates (CJIA), a global risk assessment and threat mitigation firm estimated that the Chavez family assets totaled between $1 and $2 billion USD.

Larry OKC
03-07-2013, 01:54 PM
Did Sean Penn send flowers?

Not sure if he sent flowers, but…

Hugo Chavez Dead: Sean Penn, Oliver Stone Comment (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hugo-chavez-dead-sean-penn-426205)


"Today the people of the United States lost a friend it never knew it had. And poor people around the world lost a champion," says Penn in a statement to The Hollywood Reporter. "I lost a friend I was blessed to have. My thoughts are with the family of President Chavez and the people of Venezuela."
"Venezuela and its revolution will endure under the proven leadership of Vice President Maduro," adds Penn.
Penn, who has been a longtime supporter of Chavez, made a surprise appearance in Bolivia in December to attend a candlelight vigil for the health of the leader. Said Penn at the vigil: “He’s one of the most important forces we’ve had on this planet, and I’ll wish him nothing but that great strength he has shown over and over again. I do it in love, and I do it in gratitude."

WilliamTell
03-07-2013, 03:37 PM
"How did it happen that six leaders of Latin American countries which had criticised US policies and tried to create an influential alliance in order to be independent and sovereign states, fell ill simultaneously with the same disease?" Zyuganov told Russian state television.


Numerous times it has came out that the US was behind some leaders mysterious and rather sudden death. To think that it could not be a possibility is almost laughable.

RadicalModerate
03-07-2013, 03:43 PM
Numerous times it has came out that the US was behind some leaders mysterious and rather sudden death. To think that it could not be a possibility is almost laughable.

Fer shure . . . like, expecially wit' de CjIA lurking in the background . . .

(edited to change "wif'" to "wit'" in order to maintain political correctness in regard to the dearly departed dictator.)

RadicalModerate
03-07-2013, 04:48 PM
Stay tuned for updates on the breaking crisis in Venezuela . . .

RadicalModerate
03-07-2013, 04:51 PM
Not sure if he sent flowers, but…


Hugo Chavez Dead: Sean Penn, Oliver Stone Comment (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hugo-chavez-dead-sean-penn-426205)

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. . . tater salad? or not? you be the judge. click the link.
(it's up . . . and to the left.)

MadMonk
03-14-2013, 09:13 AM
http://i.qkme.me/3td2rc.jpg