Welcome to the 2013 edition of this thread.

Below is the recap of the changes we saw in 2012 for Will Rogers Airport.

DestinationAirlineJan 2012 FlightsDetailsDec 2012 FlightsDetailsChangeChicago O'HareAmerican42x CR7, 2x ER442x CR7, 2x ER40Dallas/Ft WorthAmerican77x MD8077x MD800Los AngelesAmerican22x CR722x CR70AtlantaDelta52x MD88, 1x CR9, 2x CR753x MD88, 1x CR9, 1x CR70DetroitDelta22x CR721x CR9, 1x CR70MemphisDelta33x CRJ33x CRJ0Minneapolis/St PaulDelta22x CRJ33x CRJ1Salt Lake CityDelta22x CR733x CR71DenverFrontier22x 31921x 319, 1x E900BaltimoreSouthwest11x 73G11x 7370Chicago MidwaySouthwest01x 733 - June 3rd Start11x 7371Dallas LoveSouthwest53x 73G, 2x 73355x 7370DenverSouthwest33x 73733x 7370Houston HobbySouthwest44x 73333x 737-1Kansas CitySouthwest21x 73G, 1x 73322x 7370Las VegasSouthwest21x 73G, 1x 73322x 7370PhoenixSouthwest22x 73G22x 7370St. LouisSouthwest21x 73G, 1x 73322x 7370Chicago O'HareUnited54x CR7, 1x ER443x CR7, 1x ER4-1ClevelandUnited0No service0Starting Feb 20130DenverUnited41x 319, 3x ER441x 319, 1x CR7, 2x DH40Houston InctlUnited93x DH4, 6x ER4101x 320, 1x CR7, 8x ER41Los AngelesUnited11x CR711x CR70New York/NewarkUnited11x ER411x ER40San FranciscoUnited11x CR711x CR70Washington DullesUnited11x CR711x CR70

Announced Upcoming Air Service Changes - KOKC


United Express starting service to Cleveland in February
Southwest increasing Chicago Midway to 2x daily flights.
Southwest offering seasonal nonstop service to Orlando from Feb 15 - April 13.
American increasing LAX service from 2x daily to 3x daily in April.


Tulsa (KTUL) - Tulsa International


Atlanta: Delta (1x 738, 1x 319, 2x CR9, 1x CR7)
Chicago O'Hare: American (1x 738, 3x ER4), United (2x CR7, 2x ER4)
Dallas/Fort Worth: American (2x 757, 1x 738, 4x M80, 1x ER3)
Dallas Love: Southwest (5x 737)
Denver: Southwest (3x 737), United (1x 738, 1x CRJ, 2x ER4)
Detroit: Delta (2x CR7)
Houston Hobby: Southwest (3x 737)
Houston Intercontinental: United (8x ERJ)
Las Vegas: Southwest (1x 737)
Los Angeles: United (1x CR7)
Memphis: Delta (1x CRJ)
Miami: American (1x 738 - Saturday Only)
Minneapolis/St. Paul: Delta (1x CRJ)
New York/Newark: United (1x ERJ)
Phoenix: Southwest (2x 737)
Salt Lake City: Delta (1x CR7)
St. Louis: Southwest (2x 737)
Washington Dulles: United (1x CR7)


Announced Upcoming Air Service Changes - KTUL


United will be ending LAX service in April.
Southwest will start nonstop service, 1x daily, to Tulsa.


Lawton (KLAW) - Lawton/Ft. Sill Regional Airport


Dallas/Fort Worth: American (5x ER3)


Other Oklahoma Airports that use to have recent commercial airline service:


Enid: ENID WOODRING MUNI AIRPORT (http://www.enidairport.com/default.htm)
Guymon
Ponca City
Woodward: West Woodward Municipal Airport, Woodeward Oklahoma - City of Woodward (http://www.cityofwoodward.com/airport-89/)

Just to point out that United did announce they will end TUL-LAX service in April.

I think you meant to say TUL-MDW not "to Tulsa."

I think you meant to say TUL-MDW not "to Tulsa."

Ugh yes. Oh well...beyond the edit point. :-/

What kind of loads does AA have on those 757s to DFW out of TUL? And why does TUL-ORD see mainline on AA? (Is it simply because of the maintenance base AA's has at TUL?) Also, how's the MIA flight doing on Saturdays from TUL? Also, was interesting to see that DL runs 738s and 319s to TUL and we see the MD88s here in OKC...wonder why?

What kind of loads does AA have on those 757s to DFW out of TUL? And why does TUL-ORD see mainline on AA? (Is it simply because of the maintenance base AA's has at TUL?) Also, how's the MIA flight doing on Saturdays from TUL? Also, was interesting to see that DL runs 738s and 319s to TUL and we see the MD88s here in OKC...wonder why?

I would say a lot of it has to do with the mx base in TUL. However, I did want to answer your questions when it comes to the loads.

First Delta before I get into everything American. To ATL they are averaging a 72% load factor. Delta mainline is running at 62%. For OKC, we are averaging 71% load factor on Delta mainline, so stronger there and also in the overall at 76%. I wouldn't get hung up at all on the aircraft type. For the first 6 months of 2012 OKC-ATL had a total of 84,324 seats available. Tulsa only had 68,817 seats available. Keep in mind that the capacity on the MD-88s is going to be right between the 319 and 738, so to me it isn't a big deal at all.

AA between TUL and DFW average a load factor of 78% based on the first 6 months of 2012 (all that is currently available). If we look at the 757s only they were: Jan - 60%, Feb - 64%, Mar - 67%, Apr - 66%, May - 83%, and Jun - 83%. All in all pretty acceptable.

For AA on TUL-ORD average load factor is 66%. Now the American Eagle portion of the service is doing quite well most of the time. Load factors range from around 70% during Jan/Feb in the slow season and up into the mid 80s by Spring. If we look at mainline only, it is horrible. Jan - 21%, Feb - 23%, Mar - 39%, Apr - 39%, May - 53%, and Jun - 53%.

TUL-MIA on American appears to be seasonal service, based on the numbers the gov't has, and operates November through March. I'm adding 2011 as well to have a comparison. Looking at these numbers, any other airline would pull the plug on this service. However, I think they need to route a 738 up to TUL, so that is the only reason it is still around.

MonthFlightsPaxSeatsLoad FactorJan '119428140430.5%Feb '11214132044.1%Nov '11216929657.1%Dec '11542775256.8%Jan '12428859248.6%Feb '12431060451.3%March '12553475271.0%

Venture,
What's the word on when we might hear about the DCA route on US?

Venture,
What's the word on when we might hear about the DCA route on US?

DOT has a 90 day ruling period, IIRC. So we should hear about Southwest's new Houston-DCA route in February.

Anyone else really looking forward to this announcement? I sure am.

American Airlines (http://www.aa.com/newamerican)

Wow this should be interesting. Please keep updated on this. :)

Wow this should be interesting. Please keep updated on this. :)

new logo

“While American Airlines completes the evaluation of whether a merger could build on its strengths, it is important that it remains steadfast in the work that has been done and continues to be done to modernize the airline. Today, it takes the next step in that journey by revealing its much-anticipated new logo and livery.”

Airline Biz Blog | Dallas Morning News Business writers blog about airlines, travel and items of interest to the aviation community (http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/)

new logo

“While American Airlines completes the evaluation of whether a merger could build on its strengths, it is important that it remains steadfast in the work that has been done and continues to be done to modernize the airline. Today, it takes the next step in that journey by revealing its much-anticipated new logo and livery.”

Airline Biz Blog | Dallas Morning News Business writers blog about airlines, travel and items of interest to the aviation community (http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/)Oh, man! I was sure they were going to announce a new hub here in OKC! lol.. jk :P It will be neat to see what they come up with. A lot of companies have been changing out their logos.

Ya I knew the new livery was being announced today.....just interested to hear if there is any other news (US merger?).

This is what I have seen rumored:

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00015481.jpg

that is terrible .. i guess we will see in 7 min

It's terrible.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/uf/42901/middle/phpO1WHBb.jpeg

Aaaaaannd website launch fail.

Venture that is quite possibly the worst livery I've ever seen.....this coming from a long-time AA traveler.

My god, that is the worst livery I have ever seen. Just because of this, I hope they merge with US Airways and take on their livery. This is nauseating.

on a crisp white plane i don't think it is terrible ..

After watching the video I can conclude that the US merger is just a matter of when now and not if.

on a crisp white plane i don't think it is terrible ..

The planes aren't crisp white though. They're silver.

After rewatching the video, I don't think the new logo is all that bad, but that tail is just the absolute worst.

I was hoping they were just going to update the scissor eagle into a more modern look -- not completely abandon it. It absolutely blows my mind that they spent two years coming up with this very underwhelming new livery/logo. What was upper management thinking and how bad does their graphics team look??

Saw this on airliners.net and had a good laugh:

http://chamosaurio.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/11.gif

haha, no lover for Cubana??

Well, to be honest, I guess I shouldn't have had much hope for AA's new livery based on the "design work" that went into their updated webpage. It's 2013 and they can't get a decent webpage? We got about the same quality with the new livery.

I guess I'm the odd one out here-I like it. It's a pretty good modernization of the eagle and the livery. But as they say, to each his own.

I actually liked the one with the large eagle on the blue tail. The pearlescent white reminds me of Northwest's livery before they were absorbed into the Delta matrix.....

It's actually silver mica, the paint that was used to give that reflective metallic look to the planes since the new 787s and 350s that have been ordered will have an all-composite fuselage. The 319s/320s/321s won't but if you're going to do a change on one/two might as well change it all around. By the way, here's a video how the new paint scheme was designed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-KD0PdI1Ek).

I think AA would have a winner if the took the concept of the large eagle design for the tail and keep the rest of the new scheme. I really like the new logo and just about everything BUT the tail design. Flying through DFW or ORD will give me a headache just because of how busy it is. Hopefully someone comes to their senses and stops the tail design.

So,any rumor if American Eagle will get a new look as well?

Actually calling it a modern design makes sense, the Modern art period ended in the 70's, which is about where the tail design fells like it came from.

So,any rumor if American Eagle will get a new look as well?

Yeah everything is getting redone. It'll probably look exactly like it just with "American Eagle" or "American Connection" on the side.

Edit...

And I just found a picture of it. LOL It actually doesn't look that terrible on the T-Tail design.

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/todayinthesky/2013/01/17/img_aa_newamericaneagle1-4_3_r541_c540.jpg?729ef1a5e3c69f5da0197e57e2bd3dd3 fdfcd35f

Official numbers are in.

OKC had a total of 3,683,051 passengers for the year of 2012 Jan 1 - Dec 31. A 3.41% gain over 2011. This places at around 2006 levels, about 100,000 shy of the 2007 levels which is still the record year. If the local and national economy holds up, 2013 looks promising to break that record, although the past 4-5 months have been bearish. I honestly think due to Chesapeake's reduction in spending, the trends occurred at roughly the same time. That is to say, the big Chesapeake shakedowns happened in sync with the pulling back of growth at WRWA. I don't know of any other local events that could explain it other than that.

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/todayinthesky/2013/01/17/img_aa_newamericaneagle1-4_3_r541_c540.jpg?729ef1a5e3c69f5da0197e57e2bd3dd3 fdfcd35f

I've thought about this since the debut of their new livery, and I really think they're making a mistake by not putting the new logo on the tail in lieu of that bomb pop vomit tail they chose. Based on this picture, the new logo seems like a match made in heaven for the tail and would just look perfect.

Official numbers are in.

OKC had a total of 3,683,051 passengers for the year of 2012 Jan 1 - Dec 31. A 3.41% gain over 2011. This places at around 2006 levels, about 100,000 shy of the 2007 levels which is still the record year. If the local and national economy holds up, 2013 looks promising to break that record, although the past 4-5 months have been bearish. I honestly think due to Chesapeake's reduction in spending, the trends occurred at roughly the same time. That is to say, the big Chesapeake shakedowns happened in sync with the pulling back of growth at WRWA. I don't know of any other local events that could explain it other than that.

At some point, I remember someone saying that if OKC could hit 4 million passengers per year, OKC would start to see some real changes in OKC service offerings, but they weren't much more specific than that. Will we reach 4 million next year?

I wouldn't plan on it. Anything is possible though.

If passenger service does increase, there are a few areas it could happen.

American: Chicago - more CR7s or A319s when they come in. Dallas - Pretty flat but maybe some fluctuation as the MD-80s get retired. LAX - Already going to 3 flights this year, so that seems about as much as we'll see.

Delta: Atlanta - Maybe more mainline change over, but don't expect anything outside the 738/M88/M90 frame size. Detroit - Probably pretty flat. Memphis - Only further downsizing on the horizon here. We should escape the year before the route is closed. Minneapolis - Maybe some larger RJs but not much else. Salt Lake - No changes.

Frontier: A lot of people think they are on their last leg here. I personally would love to see them try a focus city operation here, but I don't think there is enough opportunity left.

Southwest: New seasonal MCO route should hopefully do well. Would like to see BNA, ATL, and maybe OAK.

United: I would like to see more to EWR, but I think we are pretty much capped out on them right now.

If passenger service does increase, there are a few areas it could happen.

American: Chicago - more CR7s or A319s when they come in. Dallas - Pretty flat but maybe some fluctuation as the MD-80s get retired. LAX - Already going to 3 flights this year, so that seems about as much as we'll see.

Delta: Atlanta - Maybe more mainline change over, but don't expect anything outside the 738/M88/M90 frame size. Detroit - Probably pretty flat. Memphis - Only further downsizing on the horizon here. We should escape the year before the route is closed. Minneapolis - Maybe some larger RJs but not much else. Salt Lake - No changes.

Frontier: A lot of people think they are on their last leg here. I personally would love to see them try a focus city operation here, but I don't think there is enough opportunity left.

Southwest: New seasonal MCO route should hopefully do well. Would like to see BNA, ATL, and maybe OAK.

United: I would like to see more to EWR, but I think we are pretty much capped out on them right now.

I agree with everything here. Going forward (maybe not this year but likely in the short term) I would say more EWR and SFO are likely. Both perform well, just not really enough large RJ's in the system to go around. As more 737's come online, it will free up more capacity systemwide to upguage some of the longer routes (EWR) or add frequency (SFO). Delta did attempt some mainline to SLC...so I wouldn't rule out something happening with that route either.

Also, PIT has put out an incentive program targeting several markets, OKC is among those listed. I also believe we will see US Airways in here or at least announced this year regardless of the outcome of the slot deal.

Pittsburgh International Airport offers incentives for nonstop destinations - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/business/news/pittsburgh-international-airport-offers-incentives-for-nonstop-destinations-670944/)

http://old.post-gazette.com/pg/images/201301/20130118pgh_airport_nonstop545.png

Would be cool to have the option of visiting PIT nonstop, but is there that much traffic?

Also, in relation to my earlier question, what is special about the 4 million pax per year?

Nothing special. Just a 'milestone' that would place you in a higher tier. For example, OKC (proper) passing the "600k". There's no actual deal with it, just places you in a more prominent tier when compared to other cities. So OKC would be viewed by the scheduling, capacity, and yield management departments at airlines as a 4M+ city instead of a 3M+ city. Might allow for some larger types or such we'd be considered/perceived to be a larger city.

If passenger service does increase, there are a few areas it could happen.

American: Chicago - more CR7s or A319s when they come in. Dallas - Pretty flat but maybe some fluctuation as the MD-80s get retired. LAX - Already going to 3 flights this year, so that seems about as much as we'll see.


No kidding - 3x daily to LAX! Wow - way to go AA! I'm taking this flight next month (connecting to CX) so I'm excited to try it out. Just curious do you have a link a press release or something? Google came up empty...

No kidding - 3x daily to LAX! Wow - way to go AA! I'm taking this flight next month (connecting to CX) so I'm excited to try it out. Just curious do you have a link a press release or something? Google came up empty...

It's in the reservation systems -- airlines don't typically do press releases for capacity/schedule increases.

This should help with the upgauging to Chicago and maybe even bringing in MIA.

http://www.embraer.com/en-US/ImprensaEventos/Press-releases/noticias/Pages/Embraer-e-Republic-Airways-assinam-contrato-de-USD-4-bilhoes-para-ate-94-jatos-E175.aspx


São José dos Campos, Brazil, January 24, 2013 – Embraer and Republic Airways Holdings Inc., operator of the largest E-Jets fleet in the world, announced today a contract for the sale of 47 EMBRAER 175 jets. The agreement also includes options for an additional 47 aircraft, providing a potential for 94 E175s, which could reach a total value of approximately USD 4 billion, in 2013 economic conditions, at list price.

The new aircraft will be operated by Republic Airlines, a Republic subsidiary, under American Eagle brand in the American Airlines’ regional network. The deal is subject to court approval which is expected to occur in the first quarter of 2013. The E175 will be featured in a dual-class layout, seating up to 76 passengers and the first delivery is scheduled for mid-2013.

From everything I'm hearing is that the 175s are going to be based in Chicago and the CR7s are moving south of DFW and MIA.

It's in the reservation systems -- airlines don't typically do press releases for capacity/schedule increases.

Well often they're tied in with "service enhancements" and the like, so I'm surprised it's not at least mentioned somewhere (that I can find). AA/Eagle do a pretty good job of publicizing their new routes/frequencies.

This should help with the upgauging to Chicago and maybe even bringing in MIA.

http://www.embraer.com/en-US/ImprensaEventos/Press-releases/noticias/Pages/Embraer-e-Republic-Airways-assinam-contrato-de-USD-4-bilhoes-para-ate-94-jatos-E175.aspx



From everything I'm hearing is that the 175s are going to be based in Chicago and the CR7s are moving south of DFW and MIA.

Agreed - I'd be shocked if we don't see the Ejets on OKC-ORD. Not pure mainline but a major step up from what we have now! Although there are more CR7s on OKC-ORD now than I remember in the past which I suppose is a positive (given that they actually have a regional F cabin). I wonder how feasible MIA would be - or are yields too low? Or what about OKC-JFK - is there enough int'l traffic from OKC that AA might want to feed its international bank there?

I think OKC-ORD is starting to top-out a little bit. WN has added quite a few seats in the CHI market, I know it has hurt some of the loads on the OKC-ORD trips.

I think OKC-ORD is starting to top-out a little bit. WN has added quite a few seats in the CHI market, I know it has hurt some of the loads on the OKC-ORD trips.

True. Many people going to Chicago from here are going to conventions or other business interests and prefer Midway.

Hopefully not speaking prematurely, but appears the seasonal second daily on UA to LAX will come back JUN-AUG. (Haven't looked up exact dates)

With AA's 3 daily, that's a total of 5 (!!) daily roundtrips to LAX, and a total of 6 daily roundtrips to the state of California. Very, very impressive.

I didn't check all dates but UA recently cut back on Saturday nonstops.

06jun-thu-see sna/ont for lax alt.
Alternate service\
1aa3654* laxokc 845a 115p cr7 0 230\
2aa3651* laxokc 1220p 500p cr7 0 240\
3ua6442 laxokc 1250p 543p cr7 0 253\
4aa3634* laxokc 600p 1035p cr7 0 235\
5ua5541 laxokc 810p 1259a 1 cr7 0 249\ >

06jun-thu-see sna/ont for lax alt.
Alternate service\
1ua6246 okclax 600a 704a cr7 0 304\
2aa3635* okclax 705a 805a cr7 0 300\
3aa3660* okclax 150p 250p cr7 0 300\
4aa3663* okclax 535p 635p cr7 0 300\
5ua6442 okclax 800p 904p cr7 0 304\ >

any chance of an OKC-MSY direct fly ever? I go down there at least 5-10 times a year on Southwest and there always seems to be a good amount of okc people on my flights.

any chance of an OKC-MSY direct fly ever? I go down there at least 5-10 times a year on Southwest and there always seems to be a good amount of okc people on my flights.

Umm who was it...Trans States I think that tried it. They did sell it under the UA brand but they had full financial responsibility for the route. I can't remember how the numbers were on the route. I don't really see WN attempting it right now. Much of the focus is going to be getting the rest of AirTran network converted and also getting Love Field opened up next year.

I mentioned this just a couple days ago. It's happening.

Delta will be reducing MEM flights down to just 1 daily starting in April, it's has already been cut back to 2 daily (thought it was still 3). I expect this route to be dead by the end of the year.

Someday in the future (probably not short term) I could see WN starting it. I'm guessing there might be some oil/energy traffic?

I mentioned this just a couple days ago. It's happening.

Delta will be reducing MEM flights down to just 1 daily starting in April, it's has already been cut back to 2 daily (thought it was still 3). I expect this route to be dead by the end of the year.

That's really too bad - but I guess was inevitable with the DL/NW merger. Always enjoyed connecting in MEM. Surprised MEM has stayed this strong for these many years being in such close proximity to the the colossus ATL.

Will this mean an increase in service to another DL city? I hate to lose a city,but even more so hate to lose seats. Im hoping that this lose of service(eventually) is counteracted with a seat increase to another city...

Southwest officially announced today flights to Kansas City will be ending August 11th.

Will this mean an increase in service to another DL city? I hate to lose a city,but even more so hate to lose seats. Im hoping that this lose of service(eventually) is counteracted with a seat increase to another city...

Doubtful. Most of the pax can probably be accommodated on existing services.

Southwest officially announced today flights to Kansas City will be ending August 11th.

Disappointing to see this. But not unexpected due to the increase in MDW service.