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Pete
09-10-2012, 01:46 PM
229 E. Sheridan (http://goo.gl/maps/jzsy1)
sq. feet=6,968
http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/229esheridanwiki1.jpg
Information & Latest News
10/21/14: Sold to HGL Construction of Midwest City for $850,000
10/18/13: $200,000 building permit application (http://www.okc.gov/Access/Cap/CapDetail.aspx?Module=Permits&TabName=Permits&capID1=13BRE&capID2=00000&capID3=11857&agencyCode=OKC&IsToShowInspection=)
1/13/13: Design review application (http://www.okc.gov/Access/Cap/CapDetail.aspx?Module=Planning&TabName=Planning&capID1=12SPZ&capID2=00000&capID3=00280&agencyCode=OKC&IsToShowInspection=)

Links
County Assessor Record (http://www.oklahomacounty.org/assessor/Searches/AN-R.asp?ACCOUNTNO=R020026600)

Gallery

Pete
09-10-2012, 02:05 PM
He just filed an application with the Bricktown Design Review Committee to renovate the building and surrounding streetscape.

However, I can't see the application itself, so I don't know the details.

HangryHippo
09-10-2012, 02:20 PM
So is he finally letting go of the canal side property and giving up his objections for something better going in there?

Pete
09-10-2012, 02:23 PM
So is he finally letting go of the canal side property and giving up his objections for something better going in there?

That property is for sale and whoever buys it will have to come up with their own plan and have it approved by the Bricktown Design Review committee.

wschnitt
09-10-2012, 04:41 PM
This is cool. That is one of the few boarded up buildings in Bricktown-albiet only one window is boarded up, but no the less.

Pete
09-10-2012, 04:57 PM
If you look at all the recent activity, Bricktown property and Deep Deuce are getting very close to being completely built out.

Probably 20 different projects in progress right now and a bunch more to come.

rcjunkie
09-11-2012, 07:02 PM
I heard he wanted to turn it into parking (including digging out below to put in underground parking). Not joking.

You heard wrong. If your relying on second help gossip, you need to find a better group of people to hang with.

soonerguru
09-11-2012, 07:16 PM
You heard wrong. If your relying on second help gossip, you need to find a better group of people to hang with.

Don't forget to take your Metamucil, Gramps. And you don't always have to be such a scold. "Got off my lawn!"

Steve
09-11-2012, 07:45 PM
You heard wrong. If your relying on second help gossip, you need to find a better group of people to hang with.

Um, rcjunkie, when it comes to information about applications before Bricktown Urban Design, I'd put my complete trust in Cafe. He's THE GUY who accepted the applications until a few weeks.

HangryHippo
09-11-2012, 09:29 PM
Cafe, why do you no longer take the applications? Leaving okc?

LakeEffect
09-12-2012, 07:34 AM
You heard wrong. If your relying on second help gossip, you need to find a better group of people to hang with.

It's hard to call it second hand when it was the applicant himself telling me... :)

LakeEffect
09-12-2012, 07:36 AM
Cafe, why do you no longer take the applications? Leaving okc?

Yes, I left for a cushy private sector job. :) I left the City at the end of April to pursue an outside opportunity that I couldn't pass up.

Spartan
09-12-2012, 01:05 PM
I'm amazed at this new Chris Johnson rumor though. Wow, just wow.

Pete
10-04-2012, 02:09 PM
Here are the renderings for this project that will be considered in the next Bricktown Design Review Committee.

City staff has recommended Johnson re-work the side deck so as not to interfere with the public right-of-way.



http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/229esheridan1.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/229esheridan2.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/229esheridan3.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/229esheridan4.jpg

LakeEffect
10-04-2012, 02:19 PM
I think the staff report says he needs to re-work the front (Sheridan) vestibule, not the side deck.

Pete
10-04-2012, 02:21 PM
Do you know the use?

Offices for his business or someone else?

Retail location for t-shirts?

CaptDave
10-04-2012, 03:14 PM
That is pretty darn nice. Is the patio to be part of a restaurant or coffee shop?

LakeEffect
10-04-2012, 03:14 PM
Yes, that's what staff is calling out. I agree with their position.

I think Chris actually intends to move Bedlam here and do a cafe with the outdoor deck. He's got some good ideas, but his insistence on parking has been his holdup.

CaptDave
10-04-2012, 03:17 PM
Yeah - I assume you are referring to the angled parking on the east (?)side. That may be worth conceding since it isn't on the main thoroughfare and the setback exists today if the rest of the project is built according to the drawings.

wschnitt
10-04-2012, 03:31 PM
That parking will likely narrow the street much in keeping with mainstreet programs/project 180 which would overall be a plus. This looks great.

LakeEffect
10-04-2012, 03:44 PM
Actually, I was referring to his previous development proposal, and the idea he had to add parking inside 229 E Sheridan. I think he's finally abandoned trying to make money off of parking and move toward making an actual retail impression in Bricktown.

wschnitt
10-04-2012, 03:54 PM
I really l like the new footprint. The angled parking and the effective bulb-out behavior of the new patio and sidewalk is great. If he flattened out the streetwall I'd give this one a 100% awesome rating.

Only thing you could do if you were dreaming big is extend the patio to the north more. But there may be physical reasons that doesn't make sense.

I do not agree with you on much, but on this I agree 100%

Urbanized
10-04-2012, 04:27 PM
The parking proposal for inside of that building was not a paid parking scheme. It was tied to a development he was working on for the canal lots. It's nothing that has been discussed here or anywhere else publicly, so I'm not comfortable going into any further details, but just know that parking in that building was merely the byproduct of what he was working on elsewhere. I'm assuming that plan has stalled if he's moving on to developing the Sheridan building as retail, but I haven't discussed it with him lately.

Spartan
10-06-2012, 12:01 PM
So what about parking on this project? I am not seeing anything in the proposal for parking despite reading something earlier about his insistence on parking, and this being Chris Johnson of course...

Pete
10-09-2012, 01:19 PM
In today's Journal Record, it's reported Johnson hopes to attract a "nationally know restaurant chain".

catch22
10-09-2012, 01:23 PM
Maybe the Panera Bread that's been rumored? About the right size and has a patio....

Would help to make Bricktown a little more mixed use. Housing nearby (DD and the new development on E Sheridan), the new hotels. Reasonably close to the business district and some of the office space in Bricktown.

HangryHippo
10-09-2012, 01:49 PM
Maybe the Panera Bread that's been rumored? About the right size and has a patio....

This was my exact thought. Did the article give a timeline for when he hopes to have this deal announced?

catch22
10-09-2012, 01:57 PM
Regardless, it will be good to have a little more national presence in Bricktown/downtown. Too much is bad, but it helps to have a little. Sometimes, as a visitor, you need to see things you recognize and national chains have tight quality control. So, having a "safe bet" for visitors is always a good thing. I know when I am traveling, I do look for national brands if I am not feeling too adventurous with the local offerings or am unsure of exactly what local restaurants are good. Until I get a feel for the area I am in or have had a chance to talk to a local who can give a recommendation for a local joint, I feel better spending my money in a chain because I am familiar with what I will be ordering and receiving.

onthestrip
10-09-2012, 01:58 PM
That's not the Panera location. Look for panera to be adjacent to I235

Pete
10-09-2012, 02:01 PM
That's not the Panera location. Look for panera to be adjacent to I235

Perhaps the OCURA land on Reno / Lincoln / I-235?

Mr. Cotter
10-09-2012, 02:06 PM
Regardless, it will be good to have a little more national presence in Bricktown/downtown. Too much is bad, but it helps to have a little. Sometimes, as a visitor, you need to see things you recognize and national chains have tight quality control. So, having a "safe bet" for visitors is always a good thing. I know when I am traveling, I do look for national brands if I am not feeling too adventurous with the local offerings or am unsure of exactly what local restaurants are good. Until I get a feel for the area I am in or have had a chance to talk to a local who can give a recommendation for a local joint, I feel better spending my money in a chain because I am familiar with what I will be ordering and receiving.

I've successfully avoided chains while traveling since the introduction of Urban Spoon. Before that, I used my grandfather's trick (he owns a BBQ place in Texas): look for phone company trucks and police cars in the parking lot.

onthestrip
10-09-2012, 02:20 PM
Perhaps the OCURA land on Reno / Lincoln / I-235?

No, not on ocura land.

Anything that goes on ocura land has to go through a request for proposal and then selected by ocura.

HangryHippo
10-09-2012, 02:27 PM
No, not on ocura land.

Can we get a closer approximation of where along 235? Please.

Just the facts
10-09-2012, 02:46 PM
Regardless, it will be good to have a little more national presence in Bricktown/downtown. Too much is bad, but it helps to have a little. Sometimes, as a visitor, you need to see things you recognize and national chains have tight quality control. So, having a "safe bet" for visitors is always a good thing. I know when I am traveling, I do look for national brands if I am not feeling too adventurous with the local offerings or am unsure of exactly what local restaurants are good. Until I get a feel for the area I am in or have had a chance to talk to a local who can give a recommendation for a local joint, I feel better spending my money in a chain because I am familiar with what I will be ordering and receiving.

When I travel to a new city or area and I am not sure what the area around hotel is like I do a search for the nearest Starbucks. If one is near by then the area should be nice. If there isn't a Starbucks I keep looking. I don't frequent Starbucks, I just use them to gauge the area.

onthestrip
10-09-2012, 03:04 PM
Can we get a closer approximation of where along 235? Please.

Eh, let's just say its west of 235, not bricktown.

HangryHippo
10-09-2012, 03:16 PM
Eh, let's just say its west of 235, not bricktown.

Thanks. Are we going to see it start soon?

betts
10-09-2012, 08:16 PM
I smell a Deep Deuce. Wait, that doesn't sound right.. We do have a Jimmy Johns. I don't know if there's empty space in that building. That's not a location I would pick but it is just west of 235. Surely it's not going to go into LEVEL or the Aloft. That would be a disappointment.

Pete
11-08-2012, 09:39 AM
This project was to be heard at the Nov. 14th design review meeting but the owners have asked for a 30-day continuance.

Fantastic
06-02-2013, 10:32 PM
It's been a while... any new news on this???

Pete
06-02-2013, 11:46 PM
They were hung up with the design review committee until a couple of weeks ago and I'm not sure if they got everything worked out or not.

Some small details about encroaching on the sidewalk, creating parking on the side street, etc.

metro
06-03-2013, 09:19 AM
I kinda prefer the original buildings, they have more character and urban grit to them. The new renderings look to "faux Bricktown".

LakeEffect
06-03-2013, 09:57 AM
I kinda prefer the original buildings, they have more character and urban grit to them. The new renderings look to "faux Bricktown".

But that's what the current Bricktown Urban Design Committee wants.

NOT AN ENDORSEMENT on my part, only making that statement based on recent design review decisions.

Urbanized
06-03-2013, 10:38 AM
Agreed. Faux Bricktown is a good term for what they seem to want.

Just the facts
06-03-2013, 11:55 AM
Once again - I don't get the whole faux thing. Are they using fake bricks?

Pete
06-03-2013, 12:00 PM
They are planning to tack on a new front vestibule and paint the original brick to match.

Just the facts
06-03-2013, 12:10 PM
They are planning to tack on a new front vestibule and paint the original brick to match.

So what is fake about that?

metro
06-03-2013, 12:26 PM
Once again - I don't get the whole faux thing. Are they using fake bricks?

If having bricks alone is the new standard, by your definition wouldn't half of OKC and Edmond be considered Bricktown?

Pete
06-03-2013, 12:32 PM
So what is fake about that?

I think the issue is moving away from the genuine warehouse look and feel in favor of a false front and painting the original surfaces.

Just the facts
06-03-2013, 12:38 PM
If having bricks alone is the new standard, by your definition wouldn't half of OKC and Edmond be considered Bricktown?

Maybe, but so what. 90% of Bricktown didn't exist in its current form 20 years ago. Heck, for one there is a giant canal where California St was and a movie theater where some railroad tracks used to be. And don't get me started on restaurants and bars where industrial work used to take place. Adaptive re-use and expansion is not fake. Plastic walls molded to look like stone work is fake (Disneyland).

Rover
06-03-2013, 12:46 PM
While I don't care for painting the bricks and the mortar, I guess I don't see the real fuss in the changes. If the idea is to keep Bricktown as a historically accurate neighborhood, then hardly any of the buildings down there now would pass, except the ones that are run down and don't have anything happening in them.

Do the posters who object to this re-do propose to keep the garage doors as the access area and have no outdoor patio? Is it the new windows on the sides? Is any updating permissible or advisable? Just curious how authentic is "authentic" and what the objecting posters think is faux.

Pete
06-03-2013, 12:54 PM
I don't see a big fuss either but it's a valid point that the existing building stock is often being remodeled in a way that detracts from the original character of the warehouses.

Not a huge deal but it is a bit of a shame to take an authentic warehouse and make it look like anywhere new construction.


It should be noted, however, that this particular structure was built in 1952 and not really a great historic building or architectural gem.

hoya
06-03-2013, 01:02 PM
Well, it's historically accurate right now. And it's closed down. Any sort of renovation is going to be substantial in order to make it useful. I'm sure the inside is all warehousey right now. The only question is what they do to the outside, which they'll have to change as well. So is it just a question of repainting?

Martin
06-03-2013, 01:16 PM
the only issue i'd have with the design is if the bricks are painted instead of dyed... -M

CaptDave
06-03-2013, 01:52 PM
They are planning to tack on a new front vestibule and paint the original brick to match.

Seems like that vestibule is going to take up over half the sidewalk unless they plan to remove the parking spaces in front of the building. But that does not appear to be the case and would be completely out of character for OKC to remove "front door" parking for a sidewalk.

Just the facts
06-03-2013, 08:19 PM
Remove sidewalk space (unless it is for sidewalk dining) should be a non-starter.

catch22
10-18-2013, 10:14 AM
$200,000 Building Permit filed today for 2 story, 6,968 sqft. remodel of this building from Warehouse to Club / Tavern.

Pete
10-18-2013, 10:15 AM
$200,000 Building Permit filed today for 2 story, 6,968 sqft. remodel of this building from Warehouse to Club / Tavern.

I thought the design review was still pending on this project but just researched and found they did give approval back in January.

Wonder who the operator may be?

OKCisOK4me
10-18-2013, 10:50 AM
$200,000 Building Permit filed today for 2 story, 6,968 sqft. remodel of this building from Warehouse to Club / Tavern.

On Pg. 1, I spotted some renderings (wanted to do my research) of a faux fake front 2 story grand entry, so does that mean they're actually building up beyond the roof?

catch22
10-18-2013, 10:52 AM
There's probably a basement, or since it's a warehouse, the loading dock might count as a separate story since it's on a separate elevation.

OKCisOK4me
10-18-2013, 11:05 AM
Ehhh...either way, will be nice for this corner lot to finally be developed since it's right across from hotel row.