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Roadhawg
09-17-2012, 08:58 AM
I thought it was a pretty cheap thing to do an onside kick when your leading a much lessor team by 38-0. Not sure what Gundy was thinking but it was a low blow to the other team and the Big XII.

Just the facts
09-17-2012, 09:14 AM
He was thinking - I am kicking off from the 50 yard line, I can either kick it in the end zone and they get it at the 25, or I can just kick to the 25 yard. He probably should have just kicked in the end zone but maybe he though the personal foul penalty that moved the kick-off to the 50 yard line was bad enough to warrant his own application of punishment (for full disclosure - I didn't see the penalty).

onthestrip
09-17-2012, 09:34 AM
I saw nothing wrong with it. They cheap shot blind sided our backup QB with a very late hit and we got to kick from the 50. It was a good time to practice an onside kick in a real game setting when the result wouldnt have mattered. Also, as mentioned above, the fact that touchbacks go the to 25 now you dont have much to lose trying an onside in a situation like this.

Wont be surprised to see OU fans fill up this thread on why they thought it was wrong.

venture
09-17-2012, 11:09 AM
Eh it is what it is.

Personally I would like to see teams that have massive 40-50 point leads to just take the ball to the opponents 1 yard line and take a knee...turning it over on downs. Of course at some point though you need to let all of your back ups play, so that would defeat the purpose of getting them experience.

ou48A
09-17-2012, 11:33 AM
While at Texas Tech Mike Leach started finding it more difficult to line up non-conference opponents to play at home because he ran up the scores. OSU could develop the same reputation and have simulular scheduling problems if they continue what they have done for their first 2 home games this year.

Tech had to pay more money to get opponents to play them at home and they had to agree to play on the road in places that they probably wouldn’t have had to go, if Leach had not been runing up scores.

RadicalModerate
09-17-2012, 11:50 AM
I thought it was a pretty cheap thing to do an onside kick when your leading a much lessor team by 38-0. Not sure what Gundy was thinking but it was a low blow to the other team and the Big XII.

I'll bet the carpenter that Coach Gundy fired, from a personal remodeling project, for wearing an OU jersey/shirt on the job, was laughing his ass off.

wallbreaker
09-17-2012, 12:26 PM
Last year the Ragin Cajuns scored 34 points in the second half. That was with a health QB and a stronger offense on OSU's side. Continuing scoring when you're at 38, with an injured QB is not running up the score. It's winning the game.

Yeah, at some point you put in your third string, and do what you can not to score. We saw that 2 weeks ago. ULLA is not a team you shut down and quit playing, unless you want an upset.

As for the onside kick, it makes sense to practice it when you don't need it to when, rather than waiting till it is critical and trying it out.

Just the facts
09-17-2012, 02:19 PM
If these small schools don't like it, they don't have to play. They should do what Boise St did, play teams even worse than themselves, build a winning tradition, then play a good team every once in a while, then eventaully after enough 9-3 and 8-2 seasons people will just assume they are good.

td25er
09-19-2012, 09:12 AM
If these small schools don't like it, they don't have to play. They should do what Boise St did, play teams even worse than themselves, build a winning tradition, then play a good team every once in a while, then eventaully after enough 9-3 and 8-2 seasons people will just assume they are good.

2002--12-1
2003--13-1
2004--11-1
2005--9-4
2006--13-0 Oregon St and OU
2007--10-3
2008--12-1 won At Oregon
2009--14-0 beat Oregon and #4 TCU
2010--12-1 beat VaTech basically on the road and Oregon St
2011--12-1 beat GEORGIA basically on the road

10 years and they have lost more than 1 game TWICE. They ARE good.

wallbreaker
09-19-2012, 09:36 AM
Of those 10 years, they tend to have 1 ranked team on their schedule (2 some years). And the losses they get? Against the ranked team typically.

If they played the type of season that big 12 or sec teams play, they'd be stuck at the 7-5 level, at best. They're not that good.

onthestrip
09-19-2012, 02:02 PM
Of those 10 years, they tend to have 1 ranked team on their schedule (2 some years). And the losses they get? Against the ranked team typically.

If they played the type of season that big 12 or sec teams play, they'd be stuck at the 7-5 level, at best. They're not that good.

Actually they typically beat the ranked teams. The losses theyve had the last 5 years (excluding this season) have been to TCU, Nevada, Washington, Hawaii, and East Carolina. To act like they arent a good team is ridiculous. Did them beating OU not prove anything?

Just the facts
09-19-2012, 02:29 PM
2002--12-1
2003--13-1
2004--11-1
2005--9-4
2006--13-0 Oregon St and OU
2007--10-3
2008--12-1 won At Oregon
2009--14-0 beat Oregon and #4 TCU
2010--12-1 beat VaTech basically on the road and Oregon St
2011--12-1 beat GEORGIA basically on the road

10 years and they have lost more than 1 game TWICE. They ARE good.

That is what I am saying - the model I presented works. More teams should try it.

OSUPeterson
09-19-2012, 03:35 PM
Actually they typically beat the ranked teams. The losses theyve had the last 5 years (excluding this season) have been to TCU, Nevada, Washington, Hawaii, and East Carolina. To act like they arent a good team is ridiculous. Did them beating OU not prove anything?

Boise St. is basically the ultimate trap team.

I will agree that they are better / were better than I want to give them credit for. They have pulled off some impressive upsets.

But on the other hand, they do not deal with the bruising schedule that teams in larger conferences do. Instead of playing 1 or 2 top tier teams a year, if they had to do it almost every weekend, I bet they would have a much worse record. If OSU (or any other big 12 team) played OU and Kansas St, then basically a bunch of Louisiana Lafayettes all season, they would a much different record. Going 10-2 or 11-1 or better every season would be completely logical.

wallbreaker
09-19-2012, 07:31 PM
Boise St. is basically the ultimate trap team.

I will agree that they are better / were better than I want to give them credit for. They have pulled off some impressive upsets.

But on the other hand, they do not deal with the bruising schedule that teams in larger conferences do. Instead of playing 1 or 2 top tier teams a year, if they had to do it almost every weekend, I bet they would have a much worse record. If OSU (or any other big 12 team) played OU and Kansas St, then basically a bunch of Louisiana Lafayettes all season, they would a much different record. Going 10-2 or 11-1 or better every season would be completely logical.

Exactly. Any team can get up and going for one big game. It's nothing special.

wallbreaker
09-19-2012, 07:34 PM
Actually they typically beat the ranked teams. The losses theyve had the last 5 years (excluding this season) have been to TCU, Nevada, Washington, Hawaii, and East Carolina. To act like they arent a good team is ridiculous. Did them beating OU not prove anything?


4 our of 6 losses in the past 5 years were to ranked teams. They rarely win against the ranked teams. Got back 6 years, and yeah, they beat OU by 1 point. Only ranked opponent. Go back 7 years, and 3 losses, to the only ranked teams they played. Same thing if you go back 8 years.

Cupcake schedules and two big wins in 10 years does not make you a good team. If so, UCO should be up there playing in the Big 12.

catcherinthewry
09-19-2012, 07:57 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned that they ran a reverse after the onside kick. Stay classy Gundy.

OKCisOK4me
09-20-2012, 01:03 AM
Wow, 49 post man must be a Sooner... Stay classy redneck.

RadicalModerate
09-20-2012, 03:09 AM
Wow, 49 post man must be a Sooner... Stay classy redneck.

No one with the handle "catcherinthewry" could possibly be a redneck.
Unlike observations validating the allegations of the tendency for Coach Gundy to lean in that direction once in a while.

(just out of curiosity--no foul intended . . . have you looked up the common definitions of "robust" and "sarcastic" lately?)

worthy cook
09-20-2012, 08:50 AM
Ive heard sometimes on the sports animal through pat jones and other guests that it is not uncommon where the head coach of the massively favored team to call the lesser team coach the week of the game and either give a heads up/ask if it is OK for them to try onside kicks, fake punts, ect, just to give the team practice against an unfamiliar opponent.

Just the facts
09-20-2012, 09:02 AM
The answer is Yes - $100K per attempt.

onthestrip
09-20-2012, 10:09 AM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned that they ran a reverse after the onside kick. Stay classy Gundy.

Who, Louisiana? OSU didnt recover the onside. Maybe you meant later in the game OSU ran a reverse, which is so rude. No one ever runs reverses these days...

wallbreaker
09-20-2012, 11:23 AM
Who, Louisiana? OSU didnt recover the onside. Maybe you meant later in the game OSU ran a reverse, which is so rude. No one ever runs reverses these days...

I know! Obviously OSU should have taken a knee every single play, and carried the Louisiana QB on their shoulders to the end zone. How dare they put effort into this game! Classless!

RadicalModerate
09-20-2012, 12:46 PM
I know! Obviously OSU should have taken a knee every single play, and carried the Louisiana QB on their shoulders to the end zone. How dare they put effort into this game! Classless!

LMFAO!!! (. . . and then they could tear down the goalposts and give the pieces to the losing team as trophies for their effort.)

catcherinthewry
09-20-2012, 09:38 PM
Who, Louisiana? OSU didnt recover the onside. Maybe you meant later in the game OSU ran a reverse, which is so rude. No one ever runs reverses these days...

I haven't looked back over the play by play summary but I thought that it was the series right after the onside kick. Either way it's classless to run trick plays when a game is out of reach against an outmanned opponent. Plus it's stupid to let future opponents see your trick plays.

P.S. Were you a redneck when you had 49 posts, OKCis OK4me?

wallbreaker
09-20-2012, 11:55 PM
Oh yeah.. shhh... everyone... a reverse. It's a suprise trick play that EVERY SINGLE FOOTBALL TEAM in the fing world uses constantly. Why not call lateral pass a trick play?

Spartan
09-21-2012, 01:03 AM
While at Texas Tech Mike Leach started finding it more difficult to line up non-conference opponents to play at home because he ran up the scores. OSU could develop the same reputation and have simulular scheduling problems if they continue what they have done for their first 2 home games this year.

Tech had to pay more money to get opponents to play them at home and they had to agree to play on the road in places that they probably wouldn’t have had to go, if Leach had not been runing up scores.

OSU does practically every possible thing to not run up the score...how often do they even have a starting qb play an entire half? Come on...

Unless they get in a shoot out with their crappy defense.. a la KSU last year, Bedlam in recent years, or Arizona this year.

catcherinthewry
09-21-2012, 06:52 AM
Oh yeah.. shhh... everyone... a reverse. It's a suprise trick play that EVERY SINGLE FOOTBALL TEAM in the fing world uses constantly. Why not call lateral pass a trick play?

Of course everybody uses reverses, just not up 38-0. That's the point of this thread.

Just the facts
09-21-2012, 07:50 AM
As long as it is their 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th string I don't care if the score is 212-0. You have to keep running your offense because your 4th string player is only 3 injuries away from being a starter. And with all the legal problems in college football, it doesn't even take an injury.

Snowman
09-21-2012, 08:38 AM
I haven't looked back over the play by play summary but I thought that it was the series right after the onside kick. Either way it's classless to run trick plays when a game is out of reach against an outmanned opponent. Plus it's stupid to let future opponents see your trick plays.

I could see an argument against trick plays after the game is out of reach since it shows you are working on them but practicing edge cases of the playbook after the game is out of reach before the season starts seems fair game.

OKCisOK4me
09-21-2012, 10:27 AM
I like how everyone arguing against the Mike Gundy philosophy is a UO fan... How bout I start a thread talking crap on UO and watch you guys go nuts. Time to leave it up to the fans of the team to critique their own players. Jeesh!

catcherinthewry
09-21-2012, 10:51 AM
I like how everyone arguing against the Mike Gundy philosophy is a UO fan... How bout I start a thread talking crap on UO and watch you guys go nuts. Time to leave it up to the fans of the team to critique their own players. Jeesh!

I like how you assume "everyone arguing against Mike Gundy" is an OU fan. Anyway, I think Gundy can take a little criticism, after all, he is a man.

ou48A
09-21-2012, 12:47 PM
OSU does practically every possible thing to not run up the score....

Not true…. and you are not even close to being correct.

Throwing the ball and touchdown passes when up by 60 or 70 points is generally not doing everything you can do to not run up the score and there is more that Gundy could have likely done.

Stan Silliman
09-24-2012, 06:28 PM
I'll bet the carpenter that Coach Gundy fired, from a personal remodeling project, for wearing an OU jersey/shirt on the job, was laughing his ass off.

Thanks Radical for helping me summon up this column:

Silliman on Sports
By Stan Silliman

THE COACH AND THE CARPENTER


“If I had a hammer!
I’d hammer in the morning…”

“Not in that damn shirt, you won’t!”

It is OSU football coach Mike Gundy, folks. He’s here to tell carpenters who may wish to do trim carpentry at his house they best choose their working attire carefully. He also wants them to know if they happen to see one of his quarterbacks eating chicken near the construction site, don’t write anything about it. If you want to tell someone about the chicken eating, leave the young man out of it. You can take up your chicken-eating grievances with Mike himself, who happens to be a man, age 44.

Here’s another thing not to do if you’re doing carpentry at the Mike and Kristen Gundy house: don’t play “Boomer Sooner” on your boom box. And, especially, don’t mouth the words, even if you know all of them, to that song.
This advice I’m giving to you carpenters, you need to heed. It’ll save you, may even make you, money. Another carpenter (named Brent Loveland of Choctaw, OK if you really must know) had an $ 80,000, three month job yet made the mistake of wearing an OU Sooner baseball shirt in the 44 year-old man’s house.

And, allegedly, sailors would be blushing after the expletives Mike Gundy strung together in response to Mr. Loveland picking out the wrong shirt. Such classics as “You wore %@&#** crimson into my house? With f-bombing BROWN @*%& shoes? You insult my wife by effing walking in here with your effing shirt and those SHOES?

See, I’m not even a sailor… and I’m blushing.

Mr. Loveland, according to a suit he filed, was told to pack his sh*t and hit the road. Now, we know there’s a song in there somewhere. Maybe Garth Brooks will sing it. If not Garth, Toby Keith might. It sounds like a country song:
“Pack your sh*t and hit the ro-o-ad
Get on out… do as you’re told
What you’re wearing sure ain’t gold…
Oh, pack your sh*t and hit the ro-oad”

Will it make the Top 40 like Mike’s viral hit “I’m a Man?” No, probably not. But it is catchy, anyway.

If Brent Loveland had read the book “Dress for Success” he might still have the job. Even when you pull a shirt out of your drawer in the 4:30 am darkness of a hot, summer Oklahoma morn, you still want to make a good first impression. That’s why God created always-open Wal-Marts; so dumb guys wouldn’t need to wear OU Sooner shirts into OSU Cowboy coach’s homes. Wait a moment! Sounds like another song:

“That’s why God created Wal-Marts
For all the dummies… with no smarts
Who grabs a shirt up… in the dark…
If brains be matches… his don’t spark
For anyone with a way too early start…
That’s why God created Wal-Mart”

On second thought, forget the songs. If you’re a subcontractor, don’t offend your client. If you’re a cabinetmaker putting in library shelves at a professor’s home, don’t walk in wearing a tee reading “BOOKS” with a big circle around it and a slash through it. Or, for instance, if you’re a bald plumber and you’ve contracted to re-do the piping in all seven of a rich senator’s houses, don’t walk in wearing an Obama shirt. In other words, don’t sh*t where you eat. Wait a moment! That has the makings of another song.

“Hey Buddy, here’s advice I tell everyone I me-et
If’n you wanna keep standin’; stayin’ up on your fe-et
‘N you don’t wanna be kicked out; out in the stre-et
Just listen to me, so I don’t, don’t need re-pe-eat
Just don’t do it, don’t sh-*t-it-it where you e-eat”

RadicalModerate
09-26-2012, 11:13 AM
Thanks Radical for helping me summon up this column:

Don't mention it . . .
(oh! wait!! i feel a song a-comin' on . . . =)

If I Were an OU Carpenter
(with insincere apologies to
Tim Hardin, Bobby Darin, Homer and Jethro
and Weird Al Yankovic)

If I were a carpenter
and you were Mike Gundy
And I wore a shirt of red
Would you go all Ted Bundy?

If your kitchen countertop
Were to need a refit
How you gonna git 'er done
What with all your bullsh!t?

Hate my shirt psychotically
Hate my shirt with reason
I'm still billing for a service call
Wishing you a rotten season

If I were a Cowboys fan
Not givin' you the crimson blues
Just planin' down a stickin' door
Would you still dis' my brown shoes?

If a nailer were my trade
And I did not wear orange
Would you kick me out angrily
Ere I fixed your door hinge?

If I were a carpenter
And you were Mike Gundy
And I wore a shirt of red
Would you go all Ted Bundy

And I wore a shirt of red
Would you go all Ted Bundyyyyyyyyyyyyy

(probably should be something in there about "being a man, not a baby" or "onside kicks" or "turds in punchbowls" or whatever, but we can't have everything.... can we? Maybe David Allen (Alan?) Coe knows . . . =)

Dubya61
09-26-2012, 11:27 AM
Dude! You had a rhyme for orange!

RadicalModerate
09-26-2012, 11:32 AM
Yup. There's a rumor that "sporange" also rhymes with it, but it has nothing to do with football, Mike Gundy, unsportmanlike conduct/contracting, etc . . . and so forth . . . et.al. . . .

I've heard that "Glenmorangie" might rhyme with "Orange-y" . . . but only in Scotchland.

OKCisOK4me
09-26-2012, 02:38 PM
My favorite rhyme with sooners is gooners

RadicalModerate
09-26-2012, 03:19 PM
Here . . . Have a cigar! =)
And a can of Orange Crush.

Stan Silliman
09-26-2012, 04:31 PM
Gundy and Ted Bundy, have to like it.
Could've gone with Al Bundy... and his ten commandments... er, make it nine
After all Ed O'Neil and Al Bundy were football players
Ed played at Youngstown State, Ohio University and the Pittsburg Steelers

wallbreaker
09-27-2012, 12:15 AM
Gundy and Ted Bundy, have to like it.
Could've gone with Al Bundy... and his ten commandments... er, make it nine
After all Ed O'Neil and Al Bundy were football players
Ed played at Youngstown State, Ohio University and the Pittsburg Steelers

yeaaah... you're no radicalmoderate...