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SoonerBoy18
06-16-2012, 01:10 PM
It was not one of Westbooks better games, especially in the first quarter. But I've seen him play worse. I think some people **coughMagicJohnsoncough** were WAY out of line to drill him they way they did. Everyone can get an off game and the postion Westbrook has he can't just have a bad game. He becomes a scapegoat for the whole team. I feel badly for him. I think he is amazing player and will only get better as time goes by. If he doesn't let all these people trying to dogpile on him get him down.

I know he is an amazing player but I am worried about game 3, being that its his first finals game on the road, I hope he doesnt play like he's pouting and trying to prove a point.

Jake
06-16-2012, 01:28 PM
Perhaps Westbrook was forced to try to score. Who else was going to? Perk? Thabo? Ibaka? None of them are consistent enough to go to. KD was having some shooting problems himself. Sometimes when it seems like Russell is taking shots at random, it's because no one else is open. He gets far too much criticism, considering what he's achieved at the ripe old age of 23. We're in the finals, something I didn't expect to happen this year. Russ is certainly at least a secondary reason why we're here.

^^^ This. The starting 5 basically has two players that have the ability to score and create offense for themselves: Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook. Durant is being obviously keyed on by both LeBron James and Shane Battier, two really, really good defenders. That leaves Sefolosha, a guy that hesitates to take even wide open three-pointers, Ibaka, who couldn't catch a pass to save his life and who's jump shot is inconsistent as ever, and Perkins. I don't think I even need to talk about his offensive ability....*shudders*

Does Westbrook take ill-advised shots? Of course he does. But people are forgetting that he is a key component to why this team is in the Finals in the first place. Games 1 and 2 against Dallas come to mind. Other than Durant's game winner, he was struggling in those games. Westbrook pretty much single handedly kept the team in a position to win.

Easy180
06-16-2012, 02:24 PM
Wade sucked in game 1 and the Heat lost...Westbrook sucked in game 2 and the Thunder lost...Wade got hated on some then Westbrook got hated on some...So it goes when you are a star

Hopefully it will be time to hate on Wade again by 10:00 Sun evening

dankrutka
06-16-2012, 02:59 PM
Westbrook did not play terribly in game 2. His stat line was amazing. He had only 2 turnovers. He made a couple bad decisions, but overall played a decent (not bad) game. The one problem was that his shooting percentage was a little low, but even at's a little deceiving if you actually look at a few of the end-of-the-shot-clock shots he was forced to take. Don't listen to the media narrative. Just look at the box score and you'll realize that perception is not reality in this case.

OKCisOK4me
06-16-2012, 05:31 PM
No doubt...as a matter of fact it was a quiet game and he was two boards away from having a triple double. His numbers were pretty impressive!

MDot
06-16-2012, 10:42 PM
No doubt...as a matter of fact it was a quiet game and he was two boards away from having a triple double. His numbers were pretty impressive!

That was game 1 wasn't it? Or did he do it again in game 2? Or are we talking about game 1 now instead of game 2? I'm lost...

Snowman
06-16-2012, 10:45 PM
That was game 1 wasn't it? Or did he do it again in game 2? Or are we talking about game 1 now instead of game 2? I'm lost...

That was game 1, he would have needed 2 more rebounds and 3 more assists to get a triple double in game 2.

MDot
06-17-2012, 01:11 AM
That was game 1, he would have needed 2 more rebounds and 3 more assists to get a triple double in game 2.

I didn't really watch the game (too nervous and had a bad feeling which was ultimately confirmed four minutes into the game) or read the stat line afterwards but compared to what I've heard that's like a total 180 considering what some made/make it seem. From what I got out of the little bit I did watch it was just a complete off night for the Thunder so you can't really point a finger at one individual no matter how instinctive it may be.

Here's to hoping they worked out their kinks and get the W in game 3.

OSUMom
06-17-2012, 01:05 PM
I know he is an amazing player but I am worried about game 3, being that its his first finals game on the road, I hope he doesnt play like he's pouting and trying to prove a point.


A year or two ago, I think that might be a very real concern. But I do believe that he has matured as a player so much this year that I don't think this will happen. I could be wrong of course.

Spartan
06-17-2012, 01:16 PM
I didn't really watch the game (too nervous and had a bad feeling which was ultimately confirmed four minutes into the game) or read the stat line afterwards but compared to what I've heard that's like a total 180 considering what some made/make it seem. From what I got out of the little bit I did watch it was just a complete off night for the Thunder so you can't really point a finger at one individual no matter how instinctive it may be.

Here's to hoping they worked out their kinks and get the W in game 3.

I think this series will be more about who is playing with their backs up against the wall, less about adjustments. The Heat were playing desperate not to get behind the other night, now the Thunder are in that role. This is the Finals (to state the obvious lol), these teams have already made every possible combination of adjustments under the sun to get to this point. The most effective adjustment they can make is to play with fire.

MDot
06-17-2012, 01:28 PM
I think this series will be more about who is playing with their backs up against the wall, less about adjustments. The Heat were playing desperate not to get behind the other night, now the Thunder are in that role. This is the Finals (to state the obvious lol), these teams have already made every possible combination of adjustments under the sun to get to this point. The most effective adjustment they can make is to play with fire.

To add to that, the Thunder have always played with fire when need be. That's the main reason I don't get panicked when they slip up like they did in game 2.

Easy180
06-17-2012, 07:24 PM
Hey look a close game at half!

SoonerBoy18
06-17-2012, 09:12 PM
I Believe in OKC! Team is Oklahoma!

venture
06-17-2012, 09:16 PM
One step at a time. Win or lose they improved this year. Doesn't mean we can't get back next year to win it.

workman45
06-17-2012, 09:45 PM
Correct a few mistakes, make your free throws and we take the next 2 in Miami.

dcsooner
06-18-2012, 04:50 AM
Correct a few mistakes, make your free throws and we take the next 2 in Miami.

The level of enthusiasm demonstrated by some in regards to the remaining possibility for an OKC championship is admirable. BUT we really need to face the difficult reality that this team is really young and climbing the championship mountain will likely take a bit more maturing on the part of our team. NOT a knock but an ever more clear reality

Bellaboo
06-18-2012, 06:58 AM
The level of enthusiasm demonstrated by some in regards to the remaining possibility for an OKC championship is admirable. BUT we really need to face the difficult reality that this team is really young and climbing the championship mountain will likely take a bit more maturing on the part of our team. NOT a knock but an ever more clear reality

+1.............as much as I'd like to win it all this year, it may be a little early yet.

BoulderSooner
06-18-2012, 07:09 AM
I was referring to the "Big 3" rather than stature, but you're right that was an obvious oversight. I like the idea of subbing Harden for Westbrook just because Harden has proven to be a more difficult defensive assignment for the Heat, but Grantland likes the idea of Harden in for Perkins as a defensive adjustment for the Thunder (it's hard for me to think of Harden as a defensive player, I just don't ever watch him closely on that end of the court, but maybe it would work?) but they do seem to be advocating going small. I think that may be a bit premature..

how has harden proven to be a more difficult defensive assignment???

by scoring less points and by being less efficient??

MonkeesFan
06-18-2012, 01:30 PM
With the missed free throws and turnovers, I am suprised that it was not a Heat blowout win

Spartan
06-18-2012, 01:45 PM
how has harden proven to be a more difficult defensive assignment???

by scoring less points and by being less efficient??

Obviously.

OKCisOK4me
06-18-2012, 04:01 PM
Must win Game 4. I want The Finals to come back to OKC!!

OSUMom
06-18-2012, 04:49 PM
With the missed free throws and turnovers, I am suprised that it was not a Heat blowout win


That's the one thing I'm holding on to. We are playing like crap and it is still close games.

SoonerBoy18
06-18-2012, 06:23 PM
I really want to see Thabo step it up, he has it in him and has been doing it he's just not consistent with it.

SoonerBoy18
06-18-2012, 06:25 PM
Must win Game 4. I want The Finals to come back to OKC!!

If the NBA is really "fixed" then yeah we win game 4, 6, and 7.

OKCisOK4me
06-18-2012, 10:45 PM
If the NBA is really "fixed" then yeah we win game 4, 6, and 7.

I guess Jim Rome is predicting the Heat to be victorious then...

Bill Robertson
06-19-2012, 06:49 AM
With the missed free throws and turnovers, I am surprised that it was not a Heat blowout winVery true. In game 1 win the Thunder played well but not like they have proven they can play. Games 2 and 3 were a couple of their wost games of the season. Even then the missed free throws would have made up the difference. Also Hardin, Ibaka and Sefolosha especially need to have good games and have not been. Brooks made a good call in getting Perkins out and Collison in early for game 3 and then Collison got in immediate foul trouble. We just need a good, solid game.

Lord Helmet
06-19-2012, 09:38 AM
Agree with what most of you are saying. We've yet to play up to our potential in the Finals thus far. I'm hoping that now that our backs are against the wall the boys respond!

venture
06-19-2012, 08:30 PM
Well they played an amazing 1st quarter for a change...now if they could just combine it with playing strong in the last half they would win. :-P

SOONER8693
06-19-2012, 08:38 PM
Thunder body language looks like they're done.

adaniel
06-19-2012, 08:50 PM
^^
Westbrook is fighting with everything, but yeah the rest look wiped out. Not good. Can we pull a little 4th quarter magic again?

Hate to be "that guy" but these refs are dreadful tonight.

bluedogok
06-19-2012, 08:58 PM
Hate to be "that guy" but these refs are dreadful tonight.
So...nothing much different tonight?

I am not watching it, I get tired of yelling at the TV......

Spartan
06-19-2012, 09:07 PM
The officiating is just as criminal as it has been throughout this series. The agitating thing is that the Thunder would still be way ahead in this game if they weren't having the invisible lid problem with all of their shots inexplicably rattling out despite good looks. Anything Harden puts up...

bucktalk
06-19-2012, 09:08 PM
I can't decide which is worse in this game tonight - the horrible calls or the horrible sportscaster....HORRIBLE!

adaniel
06-19-2012, 09:22 PM
^^
Word.

Say what you will about him, but Charles Barkley and TNT runs circles around these fools.

OSUMom
06-19-2012, 09:50 PM
Westbrook drives to the basket like crazy and aggressively all 4th quarter and only one time he gets fouled? Seriously, that's three games in a row where it almost seemed like two different sets of rules. And yeah, I hate being 'that guy' too. But.... damn.

venture
06-19-2012, 09:52 PM
Maybe the whole thing is give LeBron his ring this year and Durant gets his next year? I dunno.

At least the home team won the first ever NBA Finals game to be played in OKC.

adaniel
06-19-2012, 10:01 PM
True, the refs sucked, but its extremely rare for a team this young to win it all. We've got a bright future, I can wait one more year.

If one positive comes out of this game I hope people finally get off Westbrook's butt. He is an amazing player and OKC is blessed to have him

Lebron is probably getting his ring. He should get an Emmy as well for the superb acting job he did in the 4th quarter. Next stop, Hollywood!

Soonerman
06-19-2012, 10:01 PM
I wish NBC still carried NBA games. As for the Thunder I think this series is over. :(

OKCJapan
06-19-2012, 10:18 PM
Game 4 was given to the heat by the refs. Plain and simple! Now, we know that in the NBA, players, coaches, or anybody else cannot blame the refs for deciding a game. However, a real case can be made for the outcome of this game.

Looking past the atrocious refereeing, another reason for G4 is because The Thunder were not able to knock down shots at the end. They haven’t been able to do it at the end of the past 3 games. I guess Charles Barkely is right when he said “I don’t know if the Thunder can win a NBA Championship because they are a jumpshooting team”.

Another case for the lost tonight was the play by Harden. Westbrook was great, keeping the thunder in it. The Heat were denying Durant the ball all game long.
Harden only scores 8 points. That cannot happen if the Thunder want to win in Miami or at the Peake.

I still think OKC can win but it isn’t looking favorable at this point. The country and the world got what they wanted, LeBron vs Durant. Maybe that is what Stern wanted. And maybe it is true that Stern wants James to get his ring. Whether or not he as the influence to make things like this happen, is debatable. However, I would have to agree with this, if Lebron and the Heat win, it makes for better media coverage and the more coverage, the more advertising dollars you get. Just better for business I guess. The last small market team to win the Finals was Bill Walton and the Trail Blazers. That was 35 years ago when basketball was not the big media extravaganza that it is today. Stern said that when Oklahoma City has over 1000 hotel rooms available in downtown, then he would consider us hosting an all star game. I heard there wasn’t enough hotel space to accommodate the media for the First 2 games.

I love OKC and the Thunder. I really don’t want to believe this, but I wonder how much of it is true. I still have faith that the Thunder can win game 5, but it is wavering just a bit.

Jake
06-19-2012, 10:48 PM
I wish James Harden was good at basketball again. He's been absolutely awful in these Finals.

OKCisOK4me
06-19-2012, 10:59 PM
The Thunder were in a hurry
Its been somewhat of a flurry.
Last year it was the
Western Conference Finals
And the Mavericks put us in Denial.
Two thousand twelve
Is the season the Mavs have shelved,
And just the same, the Lakers twelve.
The Thunder has tried,
To Thunder the F-bomb Up,
But the relentless Heat
Has severed our cup.
One game to prove the nation that,
WE, Thunder Domination
Can bring the series back to OKC
And forge through the thought of elimination.
My mind is weary, my vest is tried,
My soul says 'Screw you Miami',
Im Thunderfied!

Spartan
06-20-2012, 12:02 AM
I don't think it gets better than the last three close losses for the Thunder. The players got too emotionally upset at the criminal officiating and you could see it affect their play and decision-making. Can Brooks take any official action whatsoever, like file a very quiet request for a different officiating crew or something?

OKCisOK4me
06-20-2012, 12:03 AM
Negative

MonkeesFan
06-20-2012, 03:30 AM
Thunder and Heat Finals reminds me of Magic-Lakers Finals

Magic-Young and has inexperience in Finals
Thunder-Young and has inexperience in Finals

Lakers-Old and has experience in Finals
Heat-Old and has experience in Finals

Thunder has room to grow, it is just not their year

I hope my Magic and Thunder will meet in the Finals next year

Just the facts
06-20-2012, 08:54 AM
Key to Thunder victory - stop shooting 3s. If you have a wide-open 3 then drive to the basket instead. Also, if you get fouled and the refs don't call it - STOP POUTING AND GET BACK ON DEFENSE!!!!!

Lord Helmet
06-20-2012, 09:03 AM
The only question remaining is how they respond to being potentially back door swept by the Heat? Do they come out and play with pride and determination or something less? I'm betting we see the Thunder's best on Thursday night...but will it be enough?

There are teams out there that have been in the league a lot longer than us that have never even BEEN to the NBA Finals (Denver?)...so I hope our guys realize that this is an opportunity that doesn't come around very often. Gotta play Thursday night like it's our last chance at a title (even though we'll be in the mix for the foreseeable future).

Just the facts
06-20-2012, 09:06 AM
If this was a made for TV movie then Thunder win 3 in row and take the series.

Lord Helmet
06-20-2012, 09:16 AM
If this was a made for TV movie then Thunder win 3 in row and take the series.

Never been done. It would be a massive achievement. One for the history books.

TaoMaas
06-20-2012, 09:27 AM
Thunder and Heat Finals reminds me of Magic-Lakers Finals

Reminds me more of Kings-Lakers playoff of 2002.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070729080856AAujSCl[

SOONER8693
06-20-2012, 12:31 PM
The only question remaining is how they respond to being potentially back door swept by the Heat? Do they come out and play with pride and determination or something less? I'm betting we see the Thunder's best on Thursday night...but will it be enough?

There are teams out there that have been in the league a lot longer than us that have never even BEEN to the NBA Finals (Denver?)...so I hope our guys realize that this is an opportunity that doesn't come around very often. Gotta play Thursday night like it's our last chance at a title (even though we'll be in the mix for the foreseeable future).
At the end of the game last night and post game presser, they looked like "toast" to me. I hope I'm wrong. I think they are worn out discouraged in having to beat the Heat and the officials.

OSUMom
06-20-2012, 04:28 PM
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/06/20/nhl-players-mock-lebron-james-leg-cramps-via-twitter-during-game-4-of-nba-finals/


Kinda funny.

MonkeesFan
06-21-2012, 05:14 AM
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/19392294/sources-magic-choose-thunder-exec-hennigan-as-new-gm

As a Magic fan, I am very excited about the hire! I am hoping he will do well for the Magic! It is going to be a very interesting week since Henningan will try to convince Dwight to stay or Dwight still wants to be traded before the NBA draft next week!

If Dwight still wants out, how about Dwight for Kevin straight up? :tongue:

Stan Silliman
06-21-2012, 02:15 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/19392294/sources-magic-choose-thunder-exec-hennigan-as-new-gm

As a Magic fan, I am very excited about the hire! I am hoping he will do well for the Magic! It is going to be a very interesting week since Henningan will try to convince Dwight to stay or Dwight still wants to be traded before the NBA draft next week!

If Dwight still wants out, how about Dwight for Kevin straight up? :tongue:

Dwight for Harden and Perkins. I think that's in the works.

MonkeesFan
06-21-2012, 02:44 PM
Dwight for Harden and Perkins. I think that's in the works.

I can not stand Harden and Perkins is terrible, no thanks

SoonerBoy18
06-21-2012, 03:02 PM
Reminds me of the 2010 finals, Boston won game 2, 4, and 5 and Lakers won it all. We are very capable of doing just that. I still believe in Thunder.

MonkeesFan
06-21-2012, 03:57 PM
Reminds me of the 2010 finals, Boston won game 2, 4, and 5 and Lakers won it all. We are very capable of doing just that. I still believe in Thunder.

That is not going to happen since they choked 2 big leads, they do not have the mentality

OSUMom
06-21-2012, 04:37 PM
We thought that way when they were 2 down against The Spurs. Gonna be tough, but hopefully they can at least make a series out of it.

poe
06-21-2012, 06:11 PM
Regardless who wins, it's nice to see Oklahoma City and the Thunder getting national exposure.

Jake
06-21-2012, 09:13 PM
Was this one of the most over-hyped NBA Finals ever?

ljbab728
06-21-2012, 09:15 PM
No.