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rezman
03-21-2013, 02:55 PM
Those pics are kind of sad. I spent a lot of time in that store over the years ... and a lot of money too!

GaryOKC6
04-18-2013, 08:45 AM
NEW SEARS ? I noticed a building permit to erect a 16000sf structure near Quail Springs Mall. the permit indicates Sears Reatil space. Location is 14040 JOEL MCDONALD DR

Pete
04-18-2013, 08:55 AM
NEW SEARS ? I noticed a building permit to erect a 16000sf structure near Quail Springs Mall. the permit indicates Sears Reatil space. Location is 14040 JOEL MCDONALD DR

I called the contractor of record about this but haven't heard back.

The address is the vacant lot north and a little east of Barnes and Noble.


Not sure what this is... Perhaps a smaller Sears store?

okc_bel_air
04-18-2013, 09:06 AM
Could be a Sears Hometown store location. Let me check with my Sears contacts.


From what he heard it is a Hometown Store. Local owned. He thinks the store in Edmond is moving since they are getting busier and need more room.

Pete
04-18-2013, 09:54 AM
Sears Hometown Store makes sense, and they are all pretty much franchisee-owned.

SomeGuy
04-18-2013, 11:18 AM
I hope Quail does not end up like crossroads soon and gets very low class tenants like IMAGE, Eargazum or something along those lines. Maybe they could put in a temporary anchor in the Sears before they start renovating it into a Von Maur

Plutonic Panda
04-18-2013, 12:11 PM
Have they not started already?

bchris02
04-18-2013, 05:26 PM
I hope Quail does not end up like crossroads soon and gets very low class tenants like IMAGE, Eargazum or something along those lines. Maybe they could put in a temporary anchor in the Sears before they start renovating it into a Von Maur

Image has already taken over the Abercrombie & Fitch location at Quail Springs. Many spaces are filled by similar tenants. The decline really has started. I hope the mall can hang on until Von Maur opens. Until then, I hope the owners are more pro-active at recruiting better tenants while nudging the low-end ones out. The good news is Quail Springs is only showing early signs of decline and the process can still be reversed.

SomeGuy
04-18-2013, 07:35 PM
Image has already taken over the Abercrombie & Fitch location at Quail Springs. Many spaces are filled by similar tenants. The decline really has started. I hope the mall can hang on until Von Maur opens. Until then, I hope the owners are more pro-active at recruiting better tenants while nudging the low-end ones out. The good news is Quail Springs is only showing early signs of decline and the process can still be reversed.

If I was GGP I'd add some PS like stores to it. Put a Banana Republic in that IMAGE space, add an Apple store and maybe a Microsoft store. I'm shocked Hollister is still there after A &F pulled out of Quail Springs. I hope when Von Maur comes the mall won't be 2006 Crossroads when it started to go on the decline.

bchris02
04-18-2013, 09:38 PM
If I was GGP I'd add some PS like stores to it. Put a Banana Republic in that IMAGE space, add an Apple store and maybe a Microsoft store. I'm shocked Hollister is still there after A &F pulled out of Quail Springs. I hope when Von Maur comes the mall won't be 2006 Crossroads when it started to go on the decline.

I am not sure metro OKC could support a second Apple store or Microsoft store, but I definitely think Quail Springs should recruit more upscale tenants and at the same time nudge out the low-end ones. After Von Maur opens that should be easier.

As I said before, Quail Springs currently has warning signs but it can still be saved easily. From what I've seen recently from GGP it seems like they are trying to right the ship before its too late.

CuatrodeMayo
04-19-2013, 06:44 AM
While I agree Quail Springs leases to some less-than-desirable tenants, It is not likely QS will take the Crossroads path if for no other reason than location.

Pete
04-19-2013, 07:03 AM
Almost all enclosed 70's & 80's era malls are struggling.

Think about how many big-box retailers have popped up since these centers were constructed... The retail business has completely changed in the last two or three decades, especially with on-line shopping.

QS is at least pretty well leased and replacing a failed anchor with one that is more high-end. They are doing much better than most malls.

bchris02
04-19-2013, 07:38 AM
Almost all enclosed 70's & 80's era malls are struggling.

Think about how many big-box retailers have popped up since these centers were constructed... The retail business has completely changed in the last two or three decades, especially with on-line shopping.

QS is at least pretty well leased and replacing a failed anchor with one that is more high-end. They are doing much better than most malls.

Quail Springs in particular was once pretty heavy on tenants that have been replaced by online shopping like music and video stores. Wherehouse, F.Y.E., Disc Jockey, and Suncoast all had locations in Quail Springs 10 years ago.

SomeGuy
04-19-2013, 08:26 AM
Imagine if Penn Square lost an Anchor, lets say Dillards. That would leave them with 2 empty anchor spaces and it would be harder to get more anchors in there than QS

traxx
04-19-2013, 11:45 AM
While I agree Quail Springs leases to some less-than-desirable tenants, It is not likely QS will take the Crossroads path if for no other reason than location.

I'm sure that's what people thought about Crossroads 20 years ago.

BoulderSooner
04-19-2013, 11:58 AM
I'm sure that's what people thought about Crossroads 20 years ago.

really next to a landfill was a good location?

traxx
04-19-2013, 12:27 PM
really next to a landfill was a good location?

I thought the landfill came later. Did it not?

BoulderSooner
04-19-2013, 01:06 PM
I thought the landfill came later. Did it not?

the landfill was there 20 years ago for sure

traxx
04-19-2013, 03:22 PM
the landfill was there 20 years ago for sure

Well Crossroads has been there nearly 40 years so...

bchris02
04-19-2013, 03:23 PM
I'm sure that's what people thought about Crossroads 20 years ago.

I always thought the construction on I-35 combined with the shooting was the death of the mall. Crossroads held its own up until about 2006ish. The 2008 recession and the closure of Crossroads' remaining anchors was really the final blow.

SomeGuy
04-20-2013, 04:26 PM
There needs to be a Quail Springs thread. Poor mall doesn't get much love

Chadanth
04-20-2013, 07:55 PM
There needs to be a Quail Springs thread. Poor mall doesn't get much love

Probably because it's mediocre at best

Pete
01-21-2014, 08:28 AM
Photos from metro... $20 million project moving towards Fall 2014 opening:


http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/retail-services/6248d1390317406-von-maur-vm11914.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/retail-services/6249d1390317407-von-maur-vm11914b.jpg

OklahomaNick
01-21-2014, 10:20 AM
Drove by there this weekend. It's crazy for me to see that they have stripped it down to the steel structure only!
Have we seen any renderings as to what it's going to look like?

Will
01-21-2014, 10:49 AM
They also have a huge chunk of the parking lot fenced off now. Are they expanding at all? Or is that just going to be an area for construction equipment and such?

bchris02
01-21-2014, 11:02 AM
This plus the H&M rumors, if true, should give QSM a much-needed boost. Hopefully this will spur Dillard's and Macy's to remodel their QSM locations. Their Penn Square locations are so much nicer it's hard to believe they are even the same chain.

MWCGuy
01-22-2014, 02:23 AM
I went to Quail this weekend to see Anchorman 2. I was impressed with overall appearance of the mall. It looks like they have made it brighter and cleaned up the food court. I like new lighting, the tile and the overall apperance of the place. We are down to two malls and I think both Penn Square and Quail Springs can make a go of it if they do it right.

Pete
02-18-2014, 10:12 AM
Tracked down the renderings and full merchandising plan for Von Maur; posted in the article at the top of the page.

http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/retail-services/6753d1392740569-von-maur-vmsouth.jpg

SoonerFP
02-18-2014, 10:46 AM
Interesting to see the big tornado shelter area in the back of the first level. Does anyone know if the other anchor stores at QSM have tornado shelters like this? Never noticed any signage before...

CuatrodeMayo
02-18-2014, 12:25 PM
Cool!

A few of observations:
-The shoe stockroom is pretty good size. Hopefully they have a nice selection of shoes we don't already have here.
-There is an alterations area off the men's fitting room...awesome!
-The ladies appear to have a very nice lounge at the 2nd floor.
-I'm excited to see the piano in the plans!


Interesting to see the big tornado shelter area in the back of the first level. Does anyone know if the other anchor stores at QSM have tornado shelters like this? Never noticed any signage before...

I don't think there are official "shelters" per se, but the way each department store is built into the hillside provides a great deal of protection.

OKCisOK4me
02-19-2014, 11:04 AM
Interesting to see the big tornado shelter area in the back of the first level. Does anyone know if the other anchor stores at QSM have tornado shelters like this? Never noticed any signage before...

Quail Springs Mall has reinforced concrete slab walls behind all the food court area. We were at QSM in 1986 shopping for Mothers Day when that tornado formed over Lake Hefner and they evacuated everyone in the mall down into those corridors (at least customers). I remember that my dad kept our thoughts off of impending doom by sliding pennies across the floor and whoever was closest to the wall would win.

The tornado skipped over QSM but bounced around in SW Edmond, particularly the Fairfield edition.

Urbanized
02-19-2014, 01:56 PM
I remember that tornado. Wiped out Braum's at 15th and Santa Fe.

Pete
02-19-2014, 02:07 PM
Regarding the piano in the center court area, Nordstrom's does this as well with a gifted pianist playing beautifully most days, and it's awesome.

I really think Von Maur is closer to Nordies than Dillard's. Should be a great addition to OKC's retail scene.

bchris02
02-19-2014, 02:19 PM
Regarding the piano in the center court area, Nordstrom's does this as well with a gifted pianist playing beautifully most days, and it's awesome.

I really think Von Maur is closer to Nordies than Dillard's. Should be a great addition to OKC's retail scene.

I agree. It will be great that OKC will finally have an upscale department store.

Do you think this will prompt Dillard's and Macy's in QSM to also up their game?

Soonerman
02-19-2014, 03:44 PM
It's going to be a super nice department store judging by the renderings.

Dustin
04-23-2014, 12:25 PM
Is this still on track to be complete by Fall of 2014?

It doesn't look like it.

Pete
04-23-2014, 12:30 PM
I would be shocked if they don't move heaven and earth to be open before the holidays.

There is certainly nothing overly complicated about the construction; just a square box with a nice build-out.

Dustin
04-23-2014, 10:52 PM
Ya, you're right.

It would be a stupid business move not to be open by Black Friday.

Pete
04-25-2014, 05:37 PM
Thanks to Plutonic Panda for these great photos of the progress:



http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/retail-services/7623d1398468839-von-maur-vm042514b.jpg



http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/retail-services/7624d1398468839-von-maur-vm042514a.jpg

Soonerman
04-25-2014, 06:37 PM
Looks like it's coming along.

Dustin
06-06-2014, 07:36 PM
Thought about stopping and taking photos today but I was starving!

Brick is going up fast now!

Pete
06-06-2014, 07:37 PM
Thought about stopping and taking photos today but I was starving!

Brick is going up fast now!

Get your priorities straight!! ;)

FritterGirl
06-07-2014, 06:33 PM
Get your priorities straight!! ;)
Will these do? The first three are of the north facade. I couldn't get as close to the east face because of the way they have the fencing set up for their construction site.

8096

8097

8098

8099

Pete
06-07-2014, 06:35 PM
Will these do?

Very nicely, yes.


Thank you!!

DowntownMan
06-07-2014, 09:10 PM
It looks like they built a covered loading dock area with potentially large rollup doors? I like that so you don't have to see the loading area which was right by the both east entrance.

Cardsfan
06-07-2014, 10:27 PM
The mall has stated they are on schedule for a October opening. This will be the biggest thing to happen to either Penn square or Quail Springs in quite some time.

Pete
06-08-2014, 01:33 PM
Here is another one from David:


http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/retail-services/8107d1402255914-von-maur-vonmaur060814.jpg

bchris02
06-08-2014, 01:37 PM
The mall has stated they are on schedule for a October opening. This will be the biggest thing to happen to either Penn square or Quail Springs in quite some time.

I know. I am hoping this is the beginning of a comeback for Quail Springs from what appeared to be the early stages of becoming Crossroads.

Rover
06-08-2014, 08:19 PM
I know. I am hoping this is the beginning of a comeback for Quail Springs from what appeared to be the early stages of becoming Crossroads.

Huge difference between Crossroads and QSM. Surrounding neighborhoods is a huge one.

bchris02
06-08-2014, 08:23 PM
Huge difference between Crossroads and QSM. Surrounding neighborhoods is a huge one.

Absolutely, but I remember Crossroads in the late '90s and early '00s when the national chains started to be replaced by cheap mom and pop stores. That was starting to happen at Quail Springs. That is always the first step towards the eventual decline of a mall. Crossroads has Valley Brook near it but Quail Springs has the large swaths of problem apartments at 122nd and Penn. Both malls have very high-income areas within their trade areas.

Rover
06-08-2014, 09:12 PM
I'm sorry, i think it's a stretch to say QSM was on the same path.

jn1780
06-09-2014, 09:21 AM
I'm sorry, i think it's a stretch to say QSM was on the same path.

I would say having an AMC theater inside the mall definitely helped. If it wasn't for the theater, there's a good chance a developer would have eventually come in and put a strip mall in its place.

jn1780
06-09-2014, 09:25 AM
Absolutely, but I remember Crossroads in the late '90s and early '00s when the national chains started to be replaced by cheap mom and pop stores. That was starting to happen at Quail Springs. That is always the first step towards the eventual decline of a mall. Crossroads has Valley Brook near it but Quail Springs has the large swaths of problem apartments at 122nd and Penn. Both malls have very high-income areas within their trade areas.

That's also the main workforce for the area that keeps all these retail establishments along Memorial supplied with workers. Those apartments could be a lot worse, their "Blue collar worker" apartments.

jn1780
06-14-2014, 01:45 PM
I noticed at least 3 spaces around Von Maur have closed. I'm guessing the mall decided to not renew the leases so they could get some better tenants in.

Pete
06-14-2014, 01:53 PM
I noticed at least 3 spaces around Von Maur have closed. I'm guessing the mall decided to not renew the leases so they could get some better tenants in.

Where exactly?

Are they all next to one another? Could they be consolidated for a bigger tenant?

bchris02
06-14-2014, 02:29 PM
I noticed at least 3 spaces around Von Maur have closed. I'm guessing the mall decided to not renew the leases so they could get some better tenants in.

Interesting. I wonder where the rumored H&M will go if it ends up in QSM.

CuatrodeMayo
06-16-2014, 11:02 AM
The last couple of times I visited QSM, that wing of the mall was pretty much a ghost town. Without an anchor on that end, not much traffic that makes it down there. I wouldn't be surprised is some of the store closings could be at least partially attributed to a loss of business.

bchris02
06-16-2014, 11:04 AM
The last couple of times I visited QSM, that wing of the mall was pretty much a ghost town. Without an anchor on that end, not much traffic that makes it down there. I wouldn't be surprised is some of the store closings could be at least partially attributed to a loss of business.

The same thing happened at Crossroads when Montgomery Wards went out of business. That wing slowly lost business and died.

Pete
06-16-2014, 11:09 AM
On the other hand, Von Maur will be the biggest draw to any mall in OKC so those spaces should become much more coveted than they ever were when Sears was in business.

jn1780
06-16-2014, 12:08 PM
Where exactly?

Are they all next to one another? Could they be consolidated for a bigger tenant?

Pearl Vision moved and the GNC store closed. There's also a store on the lower level that closed.