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OKCisOK4me
09-12-2012, 04:40 PM
I just used Google to try and find your nonsense but it didn't work...no results. Link?

torea
09-12-2012, 06:10 PM
I just used Google to try and find your nonsense but it didn't work...no results. Link?

No need to use Google: everyone knows that these guys are only looking for the (publicity) money they get from your searches.

try this:

UBS whistleblower nets $104 million reward - Sep. 11, 2012

torea
09-12-2012, 06:12 PM
Or rather this:

UBS whistleblower nets $104 million reward - Sep. 11, 2012 (http://www.money.cnn.com/2012/09/11/news/companies/ubs-whistleblower-reward/index.html?iid=Lead)

(sorry, this avoids the need to use Google...)

venture
09-12-2012, 06:14 PM
Which has nothing to do with trains.

This thread was dead 2 months ago, Pete or Mmm can you please lock this and put it out of its misery?

Snowman
09-12-2012, 06:20 PM
Which has nothing to do with trains.

This thread was dead 2 months ago, Pete or Mmm can you please lock this and put it out of its misery?

Since this is something like the third sequel, I fully expect a 2013 version

OKCisOK4me
09-12-2012, 06:30 PM
Better yet, just ban Torea's IP address.

kevinpate
09-12-2012, 06:32 PM
Since this is something like the third sequel, I fully expect a 2013 version

almost wanna call it a blue jeans jenner thread

torea
09-12-2012, 06:35 PM
Since this is something like the third sequel, I fully expect a 2013 version

Sure thing, and a 2014, 2015 and 2016 sequel too ... unless yall vote for Obama ....

torea
09-12-2012, 07:45 PM
Which has nothing to do with trains.

This thread was dead 2 months ago, Pete or Mmm can you please lock this and put it out of its misery?

And this, Ladies and Gentlemen is an authentic call for censure, all the way against the freedom of expression as we are used in the USA.
Mr. Venture79 might want to move to Russia or better: Siberia... so he can talk to Sara Palin from his yard !...

venture
09-12-2012, 10:09 PM
And this, Ladies and Gentlemen is an authentic call for censure, all the way against the freedom of expression as we are used in the USA.
Mr. Venture79 might want to move to Russia or better: Siberia... so he can talk to Sara Palin from his yard !...

Oh, are you still talking?

Perhaps you would like to review the part where the First Amendment doesn't apply to privately owned message boards. You can be banned, silenced, muted, whatever you want to call it and there isn't a thing you can do about it. Luckily, we do have ignore available! Tah tah!

RadicalModerate
09-13-2012, 07:50 AM
I read a very interesting statement published by RadicalModerate:

"A vote for Romney is a vote for more train horns blowing".

Good job RadicaModerate: lets all vote for Obama and get rid of this silly trains honking loud and keeping us from our sleep....

Uh . . . I guess all those train horns blowing have begun to affect your reading and reasoning skills.
http://www.okctalk.com/politics/31160-romney-11.html#post574187#post574187

Or is this just another example of putting a "liberal" spin on the facts?
Even if the facts themselves are invented. (And although "Liberal" is a long way from Kansas City)

If your browser doesn't redirect you to the exact post on that thread--like mine didn't--I actually said:

All of that may or may not be "true" . . .
Yet a Vote for Romney is a Vote Against Train Horns.

(Linked Thread: Post #267)

boscorama
09-13-2012, 08:06 PM
Love me some train horns a'honkin.

Skyline
09-13-2012, 09:18 PM
Wednesday night seemed excessively loud all throughout the night and into the early morning hours. I would like to know why some nights trains blow their horns more and for longer periods of time than other nights.

CaptDave
09-13-2012, 09:24 PM
They got word Torea was downtown..;)

Roadhawg
09-14-2012, 06:34 AM
Illuminating an American railroad – CNN Photos - CNN.com Blogs (http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/14/illuminating-an-american-railroad/?hpt=hp_c2)

torea
09-14-2012, 07:37 AM
Wednesday night seemed excessively loud all throughout the night and into the early morning hours. I would like to know why some nights trains blow their horns more and for longer periods of time than other nights.

The Federal Railroad Administration forces every train to honk 4 times before crossing each and every railroad crossing. There is no standard nor limit for this horn blowing, so you can hear at any time extremely loud and long honking anywhere in the USA. Nobody likes this noise pollution, except a few nostalgic kids polluting this forum.

You could go to the FRA website (FRA | Home (http://www.fra.dot.gov)) and file a complaint.
You might contact also your representative and ask what he can do about this useless honking noise. He might consider this as a suggestion to save taxpayers money by eliminating useless government agencies.

Dubya61
09-14-2012, 08:57 AM
Nobody likes this noise pollution, except a few nostalgic kids polluting this forum.

You whippersnappers had better get off my lawn!!!!

Roadhawg
09-14-2012, 09:04 AM
a few kids polluting this forum.

You really shouldn't talk about yourself like that.

venture
09-14-2012, 10:06 AM
You really shouldn't talk about yourself like that.

He may just need a hug.

Roadhawg
09-14-2012, 10:23 AM
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torea
09-14-2012, 11:17 AM
These last messages are exactly showing what I mean: they are published by a couple of frustrated kids who cant give any serious argument why trains have to be forced to honk and disturb millions of people in the USA:

Originally Posted by Skyline:
Wednesday night seemed excessively loud all throughout the night and into the early morning hours. I would like to know why some nights trains blow their horns more and for longer periods of time than other nights.

The Federal Railroad Administration forces every train to honk 4 times before crossing each and every railroad crossing. There is no standard nor limit for this horn blowing, so you can hear at any time extremely loud and long honking anywhere in the USA. Nobody likes this noise pollution, except a few nostalgic kids polluting this forum.

You could go to the FRA website (FRA | Home) and file a complaint.
You might contact also your representative and ask what he can do about this useless honking noise. He might consider this as a suggestion to save taxpayers money by eliminating useless government agencies.

OKCisOK4me
09-14-2012, 07:39 PM
Can you tell us something we don't know already...obviously you're a whiny little bastard that should know that none of us can help you with your frustration of honking train horns. This is www.okctalk.com, not www.whineandmoantowashingtondc.com

torea
09-14-2012, 08:02 PM
Can you tell us something we don't know already?[/url]

Maybe you can just continue your childish insults and games, for a short while at least:

The people who are disturbed by this polluting and uncontrolled train honking noise currently have a new way to involve our (very active) politicians:
Whoever wins (Democrats or Republicans) will have to cut seriously in the budget allocated to these useless federal Agencies (such as the FRA).

I have the impression you might be one of these useless guys ... all the best for you anyway!

OKCisOK4me
09-14-2012, 08:07 PM
You could just reply with a chuckle and say, "that was pretty funny"...

torea
09-14-2012, 08:13 PM
You could just reply with a chuckle and say, "that was pretty funny"...

Loosing your job is never funny ... there are plenty of cheap houses available nearby the railroads. Just get used to the loud honking and other noises and don't worry... be happy.

HewenttoJared
09-15-2012, 08:11 AM
This new FRA rule does not reduce the number of accidents.


Clearly, the FRA disagrees. I have seen their math showing that this rule does reduce vehicle-train accidents when used on a large scale. According to their website, the criteria for creating a quiet zone is that the zone must be shown to meet certain safety standards. Your time would probably be better sent figuring out what those standards are and bringing them up at city meetings. If SO many people are that upset about it maybe you can get the funding to put these alternative safety measures in place.

Roadhawg
09-15-2012, 08:48 AM
Clearly, the FRA disagrees. I have seen their math showing that this rule does reduce vehicle-train accidents when used on a large scale. According to their website, the criteria for creating a quiet zone is that the zone must be shown to meet certain safety standards. Your time would probably be better sent figuring out what those standards are and bringing them up at city meetings. If SO many people are that upset about it maybe you can get the funding to put these alternative safety measures in place.

But that would require action rather than whining.

torea
09-15-2012, 08:50 AM
I can imagine that the FRA will always disagree with opinions criticizing their own rules creating this incredible noise pollution!
Did the FRA ever hear about existing solutions like traffic camera's?
Almost all vehicle-train accidents are created by reckless drivers, neglecting the already existing red lights, barriers and alarm bells. Loud blowing train horns is not changing this reckless attitude.
A nice picture of their crime could be used to confiscate their car, drivers license and why not some reflection time in jail.

Several independent studies have shown that the train horns do not reduce the number of vehicle-train accidents. Nor do the creation of "safe zones" (costing millions of $$ impossible to finance by smaller cities).

HewenttoJared
09-15-2012, 09:05 AM
Can you link to one of those studies?

torea
09-15-2012, 09:42 AM
Can you link to one of those studies?
(You could use Google to find many more comparable stories) ...

Here is some interesting lecture about the disturbance created by the FRA honking rule:
Can those trains be muzzled (http://www.thezephyr.com/trainmuzzle.htm)

statistically speaking grade-crossing collisions are relatively rare events by the FRA's own admission. And closer reading of the FRA reports reveals two key mitigating factors: (a) 55 percent of collisions occurred when motorists deliberately drove around lowered gates and (b) another 18 percent of the collisions occurred while motorists were stopped on the crossings, probably waiting for vehicles ahead to move forward and an additional smaller percentage of collisions involved vehicles that were stalled or abandoned on the tracks. In other words at least three out of four collisions resulted from drivers violating existing traffic laws or behaving stupidly and there is little reason to expect that the presence of a train horn would have made much difference in these cases.

What the FRA study did not consider is the detrimental quality of life impact of forced exposure to dozens and dozens of near continuous train horns by residents who live, work or shop in proximity to Galesburg's busiest rail lines. Noise frustration long ago reached the breaking point in many communities across this country with high rail traffic. The seven-county Chicago metropolitan area; much of Florida; Madison, Wisconsin; and even Washington, D.C. all long ago implemented some form of quiet zones to silence train horns.

HewenttoJared
09-15-2012, 12:02 PM
That's what you call speculation, not data that supports your claim. Whether or not this author feels that motorists who ignore rules would also ignore whistles doesn't mean jack to me. And it shouldn't mean jack to you.

torea
09-15-2012, 12:34 PM
That's what you call speculation, not data that supports your claim. Whether or not this author feels that motorists who ignore rules would also ignore whistles doesn't mean jack to me. And it shouldn't mean jack to you.

Well if you prefer (lots of) data, here is a recent detailed report (published by the FRA)
Good luck with your calculations but if you search in this document for the number of trespassers, you will agree that the above mentioned author's summary is not speculation at all

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=fra+train+accident+causes&source=web&cd=31&ved=0CCEQFjAAOB4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsafetydata.fra.dot.gov%2FOfficeof Safety%2FProcessFile.aspx%3Fdoc%3D2011-PRELIM-MAY.pdf&ei=pcdUUICgL4jk0QGA0YHYAQ&usg=AFQjCNGeJDB6e6b9aNrxFlQIkVoo6idblw

torea
09-15-2012, 12:51 PM
I learn also from above FRA detailed report that the total number of vehicle-train accidents is extremely low compared to the large railroad network and the many railroad crossings in the USA.
Why do we need this continuous honking, disturbing millions of people? (I frankly don't care about these accident creating trespassers)

HewenttoJared
09-15-2012, 01:08 PM
So you don't have any studies to back up this claim?

This new FRA rule does not reduce the number of accidents.

torea
09-15-2012, 01:31 PM
Yes, look at the totals in the above FRA statistical documents. The number of accidents decreases at the same rate before and after the new FRA honking rule (mandatory since 2005).

Do you have any idea why the USA has the most noisy (honking) trains in the world?

I guess the whole world is wrong again and our honking trains are just the biggest and the best and the loudest?

venture
09-15-2012, 04:29 PM
I learn also from above FRA detailed report that the total number of vehicle-train accidents is extremely low compared to the large railroad network and the many railroad crossings in the USA.
Why do we need this continuous honking, disturbing millions of people? (I frankly don't care about these accident creating trespassers)

Why do we need Air Traffic Control considering the the extremely low rate of accidents in this country compared to others, especially when the vast majority of air fields are uncontrolled?

Why do we need this continuous drain on our budget and the annoying control towers disrupting the pretty views of the horizon from the golf courses and cemeteries that surround airports? Something must be done!

torea
09-15-2012, 04:46 PM
Why do we need Air Traffic Control considering the the extremely low rate of accidents in this country compared to others, especially when the vast majority of air fields are uncontrolled?

Why do we need this continuous drain on our budget and the annoying control towers disrupting the pretty views of the horizon from the golf courses and cemeteries that surround airports? Something must be done!

Air traffic control does not create disturbing noise. Planes and trains and cars make noise otherwise they can't move. Honking is ridiculous and useless.
Why don't we create a rule to make all cars honk 3 times before crossing each road (even if the traffic light is green)? We would show the world a good example of "How we think to be safe in an extremely noisy country"

kevinpate
09-15-2012, 05:49 PM
Just had to smile. I was scanning the new posts list and saw this thread. Just then, a train coming into Norman hit its horn. Music to my ears, a flash of memory, and a big ol' smile. Life ain't bad. It ain't bad at all.

HewenttoJared
09-15-2012, 06:43 PM
Air traffic control does not create disturbing noise. Planes and trains and cars make noise otherwise they can't move. Honking is ridiculous and useless.
Why don't we create a rule to make all cars honk 3 times before crossing each road (even if the traffic light is green)? We would show the world a good example of "How we think to be safe in an extremely noisy country"

Honking isn't useless. It saves lives, even according to the stuff you quoted.

HewenttoJared
09-15-2012, 06:45 PM
Yes, look at the totals in the above FRA statistical documents. The number of accidents decreases at the same rate before and after the new FRA honking rule (mandatory since 2005).

Do you have any idea why the USA has the most noisy (honking) trains in the world?

I guess the whole world is wrong again and our honking trains are just the biggest and the best and the loudest?

If I was able to find other countries doing the same thing would you suddenly take honking seriously? Because I can..

torea
09-15-2012, 07:28 PM
If I was able to find other countries doing the same thing would you suddenly take honking seriously? Because I can..

Show me what you can, HewenttoJared.

Tell me where trains honk as loud, as many times, using random sound tones and levels as in the USA.

I will be soo glad to use this info for my next travel plans....

CaptDave
09-15-2012, 07:43 PM
Show me what you can, HewenttoJared.

Tell me where trains honk as loud, as many times, using random sound tones and levels as in the USA.

I will be soo glad to use this info for my next travel plans....

Basically anywhere in the world a rail line crosses streets at grade. Only grade separated tracks permit trains to run through populated areas or cross roads without sounding a horn.

venture
09-15-2012, 07:55 PM
Air traffic control does not create disturbing noise. Planes and trains and cars make noise otherwise they can't move. Honking is ridiculous and useless.
Why don't we create a rule to make all cars honk 3 times before crossing each road (even if the traffic light is green)? We would show the world a good example of "How we think to be safe in an extremely noisy country"

This thread is ridiculous and useless.

torea
09-15-2012, 07:56 PM
Basically anywhere in the world a rail line crosses streets at grade. Only grade separated tracks permit trains to run through populated areas or cross roads without sounding a horn.

That's not my experience while visiting almost every country in Europe: Trains are only allowed to honk in emergency situations, not at all repetitively (4 times) before every crossing.

Maybe you are talking about Africa, or Panama where the US introduced the railroad system.... or any other "civilized" part of this world?

Roadhawg
09-15-2012, 08:36 PM
This thread is ridiculous and useless.

It was 9 pages ago as well as the other thread about this.

Roadhawg
09-15-2012, 08:39 PM
That's not my experience while visiting almost every country in Europe: Trains are only allowed to honk in emergency situations, not at all repetitively (4 times) before every crossing.


You may want to recheck your facts on that one.

HewenttoJared
09-15-2012, 10:38 PM
That's not my experience while visiting almost every country in Europe: Trains are only allowed to honk in emergency situations, not at all repetitively (4 times) before every crossing.

Maybe you are talking about Africa, or Panama where the US introduced the railroad system.... or any other "civilized" part of this world?

I'll find them if you promise that it will make you change your opinion on this. If it won't, then tell me what facts would.

RadicalModerate
09-16-2012, 09:09 AM
After much soul-searching I have decided Torea is correct:
In 2012 trains should NOT still have to be blowing horns.
They should be equipped with these:
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Maybe in 2013. In a few years it will become the new nostalgia.

(p.s. a train is blowing its outdated horn two miles away.)

Roadhawg
09-16-2012, 10:18 AM
Good point RM... I think all those police cars, fire trucks and rescue squads should stop their sirens. The noise warning people is just too loud.

torea
09-16-2012, 12:52 PM
This thread is ridiculous and useless.

If you don't like it what are you doing here? (even kids go an play somewhere else when they don't like it...

torea
09-16-2012, 12:56 PM
I'll find them if you promise that it will make you change your opinion on this. If it won't, then tell me what facts would.

Please feel free to send me some examples, I'm very interested.
Where int he world are trains forced to blow their horns 4 times before crossing each railroad to road crossing (even if quipped with lights, bells and arms)?

Roadhawg
09-16-2012, 01:43 PM
If you don't like it what are you doing here? (even kids go an play somewhere else when they don't like it...

Mostly I'm making fun of your inane and useless posts. I'm not sure if I ever saw your answer, I know you've been asked, why are you on an OKC message board when you live in KC and as far as I know have never lived here?

torea
09-16-2012, 01:56 PM
Mostly I'm making fun of your inane and useless posts. I'm not sure if I ever saw your answer, I know you've been asked, why are you on an OKC message board when you live in KC and as far as I know have never lived here?

Have fun. (at least something useful)

HewenttoJared
09-16-2012, 02:14 PM
Please feel free to send me some examples, I'm very interested.
Where int he world are trains forced to blow their horns 4 times before crossing each railroad to road crossing (even if quipped with lights, bells and arms)?

Nuh-uh-uh. First, you have to say that it will influence your position. If it's just a curiosity, you can do the legwork. If, however, it'll make you happy(and not miffed enough to complain anymore) because you'll realize that it's reasonable then I'd be glad to help.

Roadhawg
09-16-2012, 02:14 PM
Mostly I'm making fun of your inane and useless posts. I'm not sure if I ever saw your answer, I know you've been asked, why are you on an OKC message board when you live in KC and as far as I know have never lived here?


Have fun. (at least something useful)


Guess you missed my question lol

torea
09-16-2012, 02:32 PM
Nuh-uh-uh. First, you have to say that it will influence your position. If it's just a curiosity, you can do the legwork. If, however, it'll make you happy(and not miffed enough to complain anymore) because you'll realize that it's reasonable then I'd be glad to help.

Of course it will influence my position and my opinion about train honking. Isn't that what every discussion is about (at least between adult people)?

torea
09-16-2012, 02:43 PM
And just to introduce the discussion:

Train horn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_horn)

Here you can read how GB, France and Germany (just to name a few large developed countries) have regulated train horns.

torea
09-16-2012, 02:51 PM
I'm sorry, I forgot India:

India moves to ban passengers travelling on top of trains - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/7260838/India-moves-to-ban-passengers-travelling-on-top-of-trains.html)

This country is as you can see above in full development and I'm sure you don't want to compare the train rules in the USA with the current rules in India

Roadhawg
09-16-2012, 04:55 PM
I'm sorry, I forgot India:

India moves to ban passengers travelling on top of trains - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/7260838/India-moves-to-ban-passengers-travelling-on-top-of-trains.html)

This country is as you can see above in full development and I'm sure you don't want to compare the train rules in the USA with the current rules in India

Interesting link... I did find the following in it.

A ban on sounding locomotive horns in Florida was ordered removed by the FRA after it was shown that the accident rate doubled during the ban.

Speaking of not forgetting India "Locomotive horns are sounded before trains enter a station and upon departure, passing over bridges as well as road crossings."

Didn't you post train whistles were only blown in cases of emergency in Europe. The evidence you've presented doesn't support that.

torea
09-16-2012, 05:47 PM
Interesting link... I did find the following in it.

A ban on sounding locomotive horns in Florida was ordered removed by the FRA after it was shown that the accident rate doubled during the ban.

Speaking of not forgetting India "Locomotive horns are sounded before trains enter a station and upon departure, passing over bridges as well as road crossings."

Didn't you post train whistles were only blown in cases of emergency in Europe. The evidence you've presented doesn't support that.

Huh? Did you say that India is in Europe? Look at Germany, UK and France and then you can make make a summary for The European situation.

In India, trains even blown horns when they go over a bridge ... probable to want the passengers on to of the roofs, making sure they don't jump into the water.... Is this the ideal situation you want the trains in the USA to compare too ?? Good luck my friend, but first have some lessons in geography....