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Thunder
08-10-2011, 11:23 PM
Some people are discussing the topic of Morality. Well, here is one...more specifically with our weather and natural occurrence. Time will come when mankind will be able to stop extreme weather such as tornadoes and hurricanes. What do you think? When that technology becomes available, what are your moral beliefs and feelings telling you? Earth was here first. Weather was here first. Humans came upon the Earth and we learned how to deal with natural disasters. What if we were to take a step further? Do you consider it right or wrong to interfere with mother nature? Even if it benefits us to prevent loss of property and life, but would we be in the right position to interfere with Earth's natural weather? Today, some people are able to induce a limiting effects to some thunderstorms (something that I had read about in testing years ago).

A lot of people will be supporting the technological advances to prevent an E-F5 tornado from forming in the first place that could potentially impact their neighborhood. But, is that selfish of them? Humans do not own the Earth. In fact, we are at the mercy of Mother Nature. We reside on this planet, yes, and it is our home, but it is not under our ownership. We try to do things to lessen the harmful impact on our ecosystem that we have caused (such as Co2, etc), which I consider is fine, because we are trying to repair the damage we caused for decades. But to control Mother Nature is a no-no. We have to learn how to adapt and live with it in order to survive through them.

OKCisOK4me
08-11-2011, 01:41 AM
Read a book by Michio Kaku called Hyperspace. In it he discusses the types of civilizations, types 0 thru 4. 0 is us now, 1 can control weather patterns and systems, 2 can journey through their solar system, 3 can journey through their galaxy (like in Star Trek), and 4, to galaxies beyond. He said to achieve class 4 status would take 1,000+ years of technological advancement...meaning no nuclear wars.

HewenttoJared
08-11-2011, 05:19 AM
Right now our climate engineering is trending towards stronger, not weaker, storm systems.

Larry OKC
08-11-2011, 10:50 PM
Climate/weather control has been mentioned a few times in the various Star Trek incarnations. Stated just as fact that it exists on Earth and can't recall them ever discussing it being used as a weapon or moral implications ("morality plays" were something that the original Trek was especially known). So it strikes me a bit odd that they never approached the possibility (but maybe they did, and I just missed it). In an episode of Next Gen, I caught part of recently when a young Star Fleet cadet aged female Q's parents had been killed in a tornado that somehow escaped the weather control system. As a race, Q's are for the most part considered to be almost omnipotent beings ... very god-like and the possibility of them being killed in an accident like that was considered to be remote at best. The suggestion was that they were murdered by other Q for some reason or the other.

Larry OKC
08-11-2011, 11:18 PM
Some people are discussing the topic of Morality. Well, here is one...more specifically with our weather and natural occurrence. ...Earth was here first. Weather was here first. ... Even if it benefits us to prevent loss of property and life, but would we be in the right position to interfere with Earth's natural weather? ... Humans do not own the Earth. In fact, we are at the mercy of Mother Nature. We reside on this planet, yes, and it is our home, but it is not under our ownership. We try to do things to lessen the harmful impact on our ecosystem that we have caused (such as Co2, etc), which I consider is fine, because we are trying to repair the damage we caused for decades. But to control Mother Nature is a no-no. We have to learn how to adapt and live with it in order to survive through them.
Thunder: These are good questions that you are asking, consider the following from the Judeo-Christian perspective (presumably there are similar expressions in other religions). There are other places in the Bible were this is expressed but ran across this to get it started, from Genesis 1:26-28, King James Version (KJV)

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


What does dominion mean in the Bible?
Authority, rulership, or stewardship. It means to have control of something. For example, in Genesis 1:26-28 when god created humans, they were to "take dominion" over the earth. Meaning they were to act of God's stewards in care for, guarding and controlling what happens on the earth.

The Hebrew word (radah) there translated "dominion" is also translated in other verses as "rule, reign, have, rule over, and prevail against.
While the above passage is mainly talking about the other lifeforms, could easily be interpreted to include things such as weather and other "natural" events. Dealing with them as best as you can, preventing them if/when that becomes possible. So is it wrong or a "no-no" to do so?

To put it in more basic terms, is it wrong to dam a river or change it's "natural" course in order to provide water to support life (drinking water, crop irrigation etc)? generally the answer would be "no", but it can be wrong when it effects others.

That very issue was brought up in this week's Gazette where the morality of keeping "Oklahoma" water in the state and diverting it from those that would normally receive it's benefit further down stream needs to be considered (and according to the writer of that piece, is controlled by law/agreements anyway, to do so goes against those agreements).