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venture
04-29-2011, 11:30 PM
This thread will be used to discussion upcoming/ongoing severe weather events through the month of May. This initial post will contain information, images, and links that can be used at any time. Images posted later through the thread may or may not be accurate on the day you are viewing them (check the post comments). Information contained in this thread should not be used as an alternative to weather radios, media, or other means of getting weather warnings/advisories.

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venture
04-30-2011, 01:18 AM
Going to jump right into the May outlook as April 30th doesn't look to have any severe weather except in extreme far SE OK.

Sunday May 1
Showers and storms develop in Southern OK mainly south of I-40. This will increase through the evening and bring some heavy rain across SC and eastern OK.

Monday May 2
Light rain remains around the state building into Central and Southern OK through the day. Some areas could see over a half inch of rain, but these will mainly be to the southeast areas of the state.

May 3rd and 4th look mostly quiet some some northerly winds turning to the south late in the period.

Thursday May 5th
Strong southerly winds will start to bring moisture back to the state. A cold front will be moving into the state and approaching Central OK by mid afternoon. Some showers and storms ahead of the front. Most instability will be kept south of I-40 during this. Severe risk looks marginal at this time.

Friday May 6th
Quiet across the area.

It appears we will be entering an extended period for severe weather risk after May 6th.

Saturday May 7th
Strong high pressure system moves to the east providing very strong southerly and southeasterly winds before day break. Moisture return could very well be in question with the front that passes a couple days earlier, but right now the models are thinking moisture return will happen. By early evening, dewpoints in the mid 60s are widespread along and east of I-44. A a frontal boundary looks poised to move into NW OK by later in the afternoon/evening. A dryline will also setup somewhere along the OK/TX border and move east. Forecast instability by evening will be highest across most of Central Oklahoma from Lawton to Tulsa. CAPE could approach or exceed 4000 j/kg. LI values will be around -10 across the area. Forecast sounding is definitely concerning when looking at the prime indicators for severe weather. The atmosphere should be at a very comfortable level with moisture content and the cap will be very breakable, but not too easy. 00Z May 8 OKC sounding is pretty loaded - bunch of techie figures coming. Lapse Rates (L57) are around 7.0, LCLs will be decently low at 875 make surface based storms probably, LI at -8.4, SI at -7.4, Total Totals Index at 60, K-Index at 40, SWEAT index at 610, EI at -4.2, CAPE at 2571, CAP at 1.7, HEL at 290, SRDS 10.3, EHI at 3.8, BRN at 16.4, and BSHR at 157. These numbers and their ideal values for severe weather can vary based on how they are exactly calculated and who is doing it.

So what do we tend to need for severe storms...here is a quick break from the outlook for some mind numbing info. CAPE we normally want north of 2500, Total Totals over 55, LI will below -5 (approaching -8 or less). BRN anywhere from 10-50...but ideally in the teens for supercells. SWEAT over 500 is significant. EHI higher than 1.5 is pretty siginificant. HEL near 200 is a good indicator that if a tornado occurs, the energy present could aid in the formation of a moderate or stronger tornado.

So looking at Saturday, there is definitely an elevated risk of severe weather. If the models were forecasting this 24 hours out, we would probably look at a moderate risk. Since we are 7 days out, not happening yet. :-) These things can change down to the final few hours, so would just advise to make note of this date and follow along. One last piece is that forecast storm motions are going to be 307 at 22 kts. So storms will be moving roughly NE at 25 mph. Models do initiate precip starting in North central OK and back build through Central OK.

Sunday May 8th
This was our previous day to watch...nothing is changing. Fairly strong surface low is coming out and while precip forecasts are pretty sparse here, the amount of instability is extremely high. There will be a much stronger cap forecast for this day, so that can really keep a high instability day in check. We’ve seen plenty of moderate risk days with tornado watches around and not a cloud in the sky. This very well could be one of those. Dryline will punch into SW OK but lag back through the Northern TX panhandle. Dewpoints could reach well into the 70s in Central and SE OK, but the models may be a bit crazy with that. Winds strong out of the SE for most of the state. Instability again will be very high over central and Southeast OK. Bullseye of enhanced values over South central OK with LI values less than -12 and CAPE values approaching 6000 j/kg. Forecast sounding is much more mixed and not as unified as the Saturday sounding. Some indices are on target for an elevated severe day, others aren’t buy anything at all and keep it very quiet. At this point we just need to wait and see, but it could be significant if a storm is able to pop.

Monday May 9th
Another day, another elevated risk for severe. That last two days are pretty wordy but I’ll make this quick. Take Sunday, copy it, raise the instability a bit, and move it from I-35 to the east. Dryline should be about 50 miles west of I-35 by evening. Forecast sounding looks week, but we just have to keep this one in mind.

Tuesday May 10th
Okay, broken record. Same as Monday …and Sunday. Move it back to the west a bit more except for extreme SW OK. CAP looks rough still. Instability extremely high again though. CAPE values over 4000 for most of Central and Eastern OK. LI values -10 or lower over the same areas. Forecast sounding looks good, not exceptional.

Wednesday May 11th
Better chance of precip this day. CAP looks to be a bit weaker and precip is forecast somewhere around the I-44 corridor. Highest instability roughly along and east of I-35 with CAPE values mainly 2000 or more. LI values generally -6 or lower across the same areas.

Thursday May 12th
Are you sick of severe weather yet? Tired of going through your 3rd fence you installed for the week? Stop reading now. LOL I think I’m just going to copy and paste going forward. I can only type the same thing so much. Sounding looks good to great. LI’s are crazy -11 or lower. LCLs look good. CAP looks good. CAPE over 5000 over Central OK along the I-35 corridor (east and west of it by like 50 miles)…with values over 4000 for most of the state except far western OK. Storms look like they’ll form in Northern OK and build south over the eastern 2/3rds of the state. Not a lot of rain, but chance is there.

Friday May 13th
Hey guess what? You know when we were all complaining about snow and blizzards and cold. Yeah Spring time in Oklahoma. Same deal…but areas Central and Southern OK. Blah blah blah. Not as intense as Thursday, but yeah.

Saturday May 14th
Not an extreme day again, but risk is there. But hey…more rain right? Best severe risk looks like central and south central OK.

Sunday May 15th
Wait What? Low instability?? Rain chances??? North winds???? Could it actually be a cold front coming through calming things down? Maybe, but this day always changes so don't read much into it.

Okay so that’s the outlook. It looks rough starting next weekend, but just keep in mind. This is a LONG way out. Forecasts change. Severe weather is impacted by many factors and any preceding activity each day can change how the following day is. Boundaries, left over clouds, nothing taking place, etc. So take it will a grain of salt. I honestly expect most of the forecast to dramatically change before we get into the period. The best guess right now is that we will likely see some severe weather during this period and it can occur on one of those days. Getting more specific this far out is just play darts with the weather map.

Thunder
04-30-2011, 01:46 AM
Hi, just making a post to subscribe. Will be back later to read this. Thanks.

Thunder
04-30-2011, 07:09 PM
Here is a map provided by KOCO for May 3rd, 1999.

http://kocoweatherblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/bigoutbreak.png

12 years anniversary coming up

venture
04-30-2011, 10:02 PM
Here is a map provided by KOCO for May 3rd, 1999.

http://kocoweatherblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/bigoutbreak.png

12 years anniversary coming up

That's actually by NWS Norman, not KOCO. More info is from here: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/?n=events-19990503

Thunder
04-30-2011, 10:05 PM
Kool. I only remember that one tornado on that day. I had no clue about all the other tornadoes. I know people said how many tornadoes was in that state on that day, but I don't remember seeing them. All I remember was that one monster and all the stations was so focused on that. I wonder how it was for the many others affected by the other tornadoes. Interesting tracks on the map.

venture
04-30-2011, 11:34 PM
No major update to the forecast tonight. I won't do another complete run down until Sunday or Monday evening. Long range models change too much and the work going into to reviewing each day would make it a waste of time at this point.

General change for tonight's run is a more easterly setup for the main storms and an extremely strong cap overhead when our chances are the highest. It is way to early to really weigh the chances or specifics of the setup again. So with a pretty broad brush we can say...

- Between May 6th and 10th there will be a risk for severe weather in roughly the eastern 2/3rds of the state on at least one of those days. Models have continued to indicate such a setup, so it seems likely...just that location, frequency, and every other specific are pretty much up in the air.
- Cap strength will be a very big player and forecast precip amounts are extremely low or non-existent.
- May 12th or 13th may provide another chance for storms over the area or at the very least a widespread area of rainfall (really the only major chance after this weekend). Front comes in around the same time which will dry things out and quiet them down considerably...again.

Thunder
05-01-2011, 07:46 AM
Nice rain today. Probably for all day. Should be quite enjoyable for many. Enjoy it while the rain lasts.

Also look at the very first post. There is a NEXRAD radar showing all the rain.

venture
05-01-2011, 10:18 AM
Some nice rain around, few storms rolling in...but nothing major.

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
1109 AM CDT SUN MAY 1 2011

OKZ024-025-027>029-039>041-045-046-011630-
CANADIAN OK-OKLAHOMA OK-CLEVELAND OK-GRADY OK-MCCLAIN OK-
JEFFERSON OK-MURRAY OK-GARVIN OK-CARTER OK-STEPHENS OK-
1109 AM CDT SUN MAY 1 2011

...SIGNIFICANT WEATHER ADVISORY...

THIS SIGNIFICANT WEATHER ADVISORY IS FOR CANADIAN...CARTER...
CLEVELAND...GARVIN...GRADY...JEFFERSON...MCCLAIN.. .MURRAY...OKLAHOMA
AND STEPHENS COUNTIES.

SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS...EXTENDING FROM WESTERN SIDES OF THE
OKLAHOMA CITY METRO...TO MARLOW...TO JUST WEST OF ARDMORE...WILL
MOVE QUICKLY NORTHEAST THROUGH NOON. MOST STORMS WILL PRODUCE A
BRIEF PERIOD OF SMALL HAIL AND HEAVY RAIN.

SEVERE WEATHER IS NOT EXPECTED AND NO WARNINGS ARE ANTICIPATED AT
THIS TIME.

Thunder
05-01-2011, 11:23 AM
It was major! I was at the store and was leaving early (pain too extreme) and there was a whole bunch of hail outside! Out on streets felt like winter wonderland. :-O Then drive a bit, no hail, then get home, lots of hail. Nice hailstorm all around.

venture
05-02-2011, 02:48 PM
Holding off on any other major updates still. Generally models still indicate the chance for two periods of unsettled weather coming up.

The first starts on Friday, May 6th and runs until Tuesday May 10th. Instability will be high to very high in certain portions of the state during this time period. However, cap strength will also be pretty stout so that could keep thunderstorm coverage to a min. Best area it appears at this time would be Northern OK on the 9th and transitioning to mostly the eastern one-half of Oklahoma there after. By the end of this period, most of the activity should push into SE OK before leaving the state.

Looks like a 3 day break and another period of unsettled weather from Saturday May 14th until Tuesday May 17th or so (model coverage ends here). Coverage areas bounce around a lot here, but this looks to be mostly Central and southern OK.

Everything bounces around a lot though from run to run, so as we get closer we should be able to nail things down a bit better. By tomorrow the early portion of the first period will be covered by more models, so we can use those to compare.

venture
05-03-2011, 11:32 AM
Going to do a more thorough look at the upcoming storm chances since some local people are already talking up next week. ECMWF is indicating a pretty deep trough digging in out west early next week that should help change the weather pattern we've been stuck in. Since a lot of data from that model is limited, will be sticking mostly with GFS for this here. Please remember things change almost every 6 hours when a new model run is started, so what is said here is never set in stone until you see it out the window.

Friday - May 6

Looks like it will be a quiet day with both NAM and GFS keeping instability low to moderate with a strong cap. No major features in the state to really get activity going as dryline doesn't look like it will be established yet.

Saturday - May 7

Instability increases along with more low level moisture. Dewpoints should easily make it in to the 60s by Saturday and a dryline will be established along the OK/TX border out west. Wide swath of high to extreme instability will be present over much of Western, Central, and Northeast Oklahoma...the highest values from Central into NE OK. Forecast sounding indicates an environment that would be favorable for severe storms, except for one little factor. The Cap. The cap looks to be pretty stout on Saturday, but not unbreakable with enough forcing. Should a storm go up, it will likely be severe with large hail and if allowed to mature, the environment would be favorable for a tornado. However, if nothing can break through - it'll be a sunny and quiet day.

Sunday - May 8

Another day with high to extreme instability in the state. Another day with an intense cap present. Much like Saturday, most of the ingredients are present for higher end severe weather, but a very strong cap will be in place to stop a lot from happening. By all accounts if a storm would happen to go up this day, the energy and dynamics in the atmosphere would definitely offer up some very large hail and tornadoes. However...its dry upstairs and we may be lucky to see a cloud form. We'll need to watch this because the potential is there.

Monday - May 9

Another day with strong instability mainly along and east of I-35. Dryline appears to surge east quite a bit this day and taking the chance of storms, potentially, east of OKC proper...but other areas of the metro area could still be in the thick of it. Storm chances look low still due to a decently strong cap.

Tuesday - May 10

First realm shot of storms according to the models as they do break out precip finally in the state. This is a bit more uncertain because GFS isn't having much run to run consistency on this time period. It has bounced around from East of I-44, to all but western 1/4th of OK, to SE 1/3rd of OK. So it is really going to depend on where things setup on Tuesday. If the cold front doesn't come through as fast as forecast, severe weather chances will be further west and north. If it comes in faster, further south. We'll just have to wait and see on this one.

Wednesday - May 11

This one started to get hyped a bit by a local met, but it really depends what you look at. If you focus on last nights 06Z GFS, yeah severe chances are there. If you look at yesterdays 00Z run and today's 12Z run, everything is south of OK. So if we average it out, everything is south of OK as it looks now.

Friday - May 13

Forecast doesn't show much in the way of severe weather, but it does appear we could have some decent rain towards evening into Saturday morning.

Saturday - May 14 to Wednesday May 18th

General risk of storms pretty much every day somewhere in Oklahoma. Models are pretty erratic at this point so won't really get into much detail with them. We'll just have to wait and see.

ou48A
05-03-2011, 05:07 PM
On her noon weather show today KFOR’s Emily Sutton discussed her thoughts about a significant severe WX event 8 days from now.

jn1780
05-03-2011, 09:30 PM
On her noon weather show today KFOR’s Emily Sutton discussed her thoughts about a significant severe WX event 8 days from now.

Morgan was highlighting Tuesday. It seems way to early to be showing a special graphic when the dryline and cold front can set up anywhere at this point in time, but you know its May 3, so they want to talk about the next possible severe weather event.

venture
05-04-2011, 01:29 AM
Okay here we go. Pretty thorough review again with pictures. YAY! Anyway... LOL here is how things look via the evening model runs.

Friday - May 6th

http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/May/Slide1.PNG

Instability will increase on friday as moisture starts to return from the Gulf. We aren't looking at things being too crazy however. A strong cap will be in place but models are hinting on a SLIGHT weakness in SW OK. If I storm would happen to go up (right now it looks like less than 10% of a chance), it will likely go severe if it can get established and break the cap. Dynamics would be favorable for rotating storms with some moderately large hail. Not going to outlook any type of risk since the chance for a storm is so low, but it may be a slight risk day if the cap weakens enough or we get some upper air support that isn't showing up.

Saturday - May 7th

http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/May/Slide2.PNG

Pretty simply setup. Dryline is chillin' out in western Oklahoma enjoying the scenery, moisture flowing up from the Gulf, and instability continues to rise as we warm up. Surface features are a little challenging to pinpoint here. Models show a push of very dry air coming into SW OK by late afternoon but keeps the wind shift (normally associated with the dryline) well west of the OK/TX border. So we'll just have to see how that plays out. Instability like I mentioned will be increase in the area shaded green. There is some hint that the CAP could weaken a bit along I-44 as well which could help a storm or two break through. So far forecast precip amounts remain zero for the period, so will hold off on any risk outlooks. Forecast sounding is really quite volatile for the day, so if anything does form it has the chance to go severe very quickly with large hail and maybe a risk for tornadoes.

Sunday - May 8th

http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/May/Slide3.PNG

Instability continues to build and starts to get into what some would call the "extreme" category. Dryline shifts further into the state towards the afternoon as well. This is another day where forecast soundings are very impressive and anything will go severe should a storm be able to form. However, the cap is forecast to be extremely stout this day so activity could be kept to maybe a storm if anything at all.

Monday - May 9th

http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/May/Slide4.PNG

Pretty similar to Sunday, except the dryline is a bit further east. Cap is still pretty rough and instability continue to be very high to extreme.

Tuesday - May 10th

http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/May/Slide5.PNG

So we come to the hyped Tuesday forecast. Dryline will have retreated Monday evening to the west and begins to push east again...with some help. Storm system will be moving through the Midwest and another piece of energy closer to home. Cap is forecast to weaken ahead of the dryline over an area that will be extremely unstable. Looking at the forecast soundings, some of the values are pretty incredible...which others highlight how hard it is to forecast something like this a week out. Let me be clear, not every parameter is in place that screams major tornado outbreak. Most of the values are there though that would say that if things stay on course, a higher end severe weather day for the southern plains could be on tap. The other interesting part of this, is this is the first day out of all of these reviewed that models actually initiate precip in the state (ahead of the dryline). If the trend continues the next couple of days I'll probably bump things up to a slight risk and tweak as we get closer. I also won't be shocked if SPC started following this on their 4-8 Day Outlook. We will just need to watch it, but it is a week out so if things keep going the way they do...everyone should at least be prepared to monitor conditions on Tuesday. Storm motion forecasts have storms moving Northeast @ 25-30 mph...so typical severe weather day if this verifies when it comes to tracks of the storms.

Wednesday - May 11th & Thursday - May 12th

http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/May/Slide6.PNG

The cold front arrives and will bring to an end most of the severe weather, at least in Northwest OK. Dryline will still be in the state in far SW OK, but quickly overtaken by the front. Storms will fire ahead off the front and dryline and march east. Forecast precip amounts show very heavy rainful in the green area. The purple area is where the highest instability is located and where the risk of additional severe weather would be.

Moving into Thursday...

http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/May/Slide7.PNG

Potentially heavy rain will move east some and bring a good soaking for central OK and Northeast OK. Models forecast activity will move out of the state later in the day, but we'll just need to see if this continues. Models have jumped around a bit here so we'll see to see how it goes.

After Thursday things appear to dry out quit a bit. Next round of storm chances increase on May 17th, but won't touch those for now due to time constraints.

venture
05-04-2011, 06:46 AM
Here is the Day 4-8 Outlook from SPC...

DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0259 AM CDT WED MAY 04 2011

VALID 071200Z - 121200Z

...DISCUSSION...
MODELS DEPICT A WNWLY FLOW REGIME FROM THE PACIFIC NW INTO THE MID
ATLANTIC ON SAT/D4 WITH PERHAPS AN EMBEDDED DISTURBANCE MOVING
QUICKLY EWD SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE NRN PLAINS INTO THE OH VALLEY. BY
THIS TIME...LOW LEVEL MOISTURE WILL HAVE BEGUN TO RETURN NWD FROM
THE SRN PLAINS INTO THE LOWER MO VALLEY. ELEVATED THUNDERSTORMS MAY
BE ONGOING SAT MORNING OVER PORTIONS OF IA/MO/IL/IND...SHIFTING EWD
AS A LOW LEVEL JET VEERS. SEVERITY OF THIS CONVECTION WILL DEPEND ON
THE STRENGTH OF ANY UPPER SUPPORT...BUT AS PREVIOUSLY ALLUDED
TO...PREDICTABILITY IS NOT HIGH AT THIS TIME.

BY SUN/D5...THERE IS STRONG EVIDENCE THAT A LARGE UPPER TROUGH WILL
BEGIN TO TAKE SHAPE ACROSS THE WRN STATES WITH AN 80+ KT MID LEVEL
JET DIGGING SWD ALONG THE W COAST. THE BOUQUET OF MREF SOLUTIONS AS
WELL AS DETERMINISTIC MODELS SHOW LITTLE AGREEMENT ON D5 WITH HOW
QUICKLY AND HOW FAR S THIS TROUGH WILL DEVELOP. THIS WILL HAVE AN
IMPACT ON THE PROBABILITY OF SEVERE CONVECTION OVER THE SRN/CNTRL
HIGH PLAINS NEAR THE DRYLINE WHERE CAPPING WILL BE A CONCERN...AND
ALSO WITH POSSIBLE NOCTURNAL CONVECTION FOCUSED OVER NEB/IA/MO/IL
OVERNIGHT WITH A SWLY LOW LEVEL JET. BOTH THESE AREAS HAVE
POTENTIAL...BUT NOT ENOUGH TO INTRODUCE ANY SEVERE AREAS WITH SUCH
UNCERTAINTY.

FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE PERIOD MON/D6 TO WED/D8...THERE WILL LIKELY
BE A SEVERE THREAT EACH DAY ALONG THE DRYLINE ACROSS THE CNTRL/SRN
PLAINS...AND PERHAPS EXTENDING EWD FROM A SURFACE LOW/WARM FRONT
ACROSS THE MIDWESTERN REGION AS THE UPPER TROUGH...AND/OR PIECES OF
THE TROUGH EMERGE OVER THE REGION.

SEVERE AREAS BEGINNING SUN/MAY 8TH AND LASTING THROUGH ABOUT MAY
10TH ARE LIKELY FORTHCOMING FOR MUCH OF THE CNTRL U.S. AS THE EVENT
NEARS AND PREDICTABILITY INCREASES.

venture
05-04-2011, 11:35 PM
No real changes to the forecast for now. Chance might be a bit better Friday and Sunday for an isolated storm or two. We'll have to see. Conditions continue to appear favorable for severe weather through Thursday should storms forms. Tues/Wed still look to be the most favorable for any significant severe weather to take place.

venture
05-05-2011, 10:48 AM
SPC has started to add areas to their outlook for Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. All 3 days have a risk associated with them now mainly along and WEST of I-35 - how's that for something new.

DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0400 AM CDT THU MAY 05 2011

VALID 081200Z - 131200Z

...DISCUSSION...
FORECAST MODELS AND VARIOUS ENSEMBLE MEMBERS ARE IN RELATIVELY GOOD
AGREEMENT THROUGH SUN/D4 IN DIGGING A STRONG UPPER TROUGH ACROSS THE
WRN STATES...AND MOVING AN UPPER LEVEL RIDGE AXIS FROM THE CNTRL
PLAINS EWD TO THE MS RIVER BY 00Z MON. AS THIS OCCURS...LOW PRESSURE
WILL DEEPEN OVER THE CNTRL HIGH PLAINS...AND SLY SURFACE FLOW WILL
BRING MID TO UPPER 60S F BOUNDARY LAYER DEWPOINTS INTO OK AND SRN KS
E OF A DRYLINE. STRONG HEATING AND MIXING W OF THE DRYLINE BENEATH
WSWLY MID LEVEL FLOW OF 30-40 KTS AND A VERY STEEP LAPSE RATE
PROFILE SHOULD BE FAVORABLE FOR SUPERCELLS CAPABLE OF VERY LARGE
HAIL...GUSTY OUTFLOW WINDS AND PERHAPS A FEW TORNADOES...ALTHOUGH
T/TD SPREADS MAY BE TOO HIGH FOR A SIGNIFICANT TORNADO THREAT.
ALTHOUGH LOW LEVEL MOISTURE QUALITY WILL BE GREATER WITH EWD
EXTENT...CAPPING WILL BE A PROBLEM. STORM MOTIONS SHOULD BE
SLOW...SO EXPECT STORMS TO AFFECT A RELATIVELY CONCENTRATED AREA
BEFORE DYING BY LATE EVENING.

ON MON/D5...MODELS REMAIN IN GOOD AGREEMENT WITH THE UPPER AIR
PATTERN AS THE TROUGH SINKS SWD ACROSS THE GREAT BASIN. LOW PRESSURE
WILL AGAIN DEEPEN OVER THE CNTRL HIGH PLAINS WITH SLY SURFACE FLOW
PERSISTING. WITH MOISTURE IN PLACE...IT APPEARS MORE DRYLINE STORMS
WILL OCCUR...SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS DAY.

BY TUE/D6 INTO WED/D7...FLOW OVER THE PLAINS WILL BECOME
INCREASINGLY MERIDIONAL AS THE UPPER TROUGH BOTTOMS AND BEGINS
MOVING EWD. ALSO AT THIS TIME...A SUBTROPICAL JET IS EXPECTED TO
MOVE NWD AND PHASE WITH THE MAIN TROUGH...INCREASING UPPER LEVEL
WIND PROFILES. ALL THE WHILE...A DRYLINE WILL REMAIN ACROSS THE
CNTRL/SRN PLAINS WITH STRONG INSTABILITY AND AMPLE VEERING SHEAR
PROFILES FOR SUPERCELLS EACH DAY. TUE AND WED APPEAR TO HAVE A
GREATER TORNADO THREAT THAN ON SUN/MON WITH HIGHER THETA-E AIR AND
BETTER HODOGRAPHS. AN ISOLATED STRONG TORNADO MAY OCCUR...ESPECIALLY
ON TUE WHEN A STRONG NOCTURNAL LOW LEVEL JET RESPONSE IS FORECAST TO
OCCUR DURING THE EVENING.

GIVEN SOME SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCES WITH THE TROUGH ON D7...WILL
DEFER ON ADDING ANY ADDITIONAL AREAS.

venture
05-05-2011, 01:01 PM
We'll probably see some tweaks to a Sunday outlook, but this is what it is looking like so far.

http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/05-05-11-a.png

Dryline will be established in Western OK. Behind it, extremely dry with temps well into the 90s if not low 100s. Fire danger will likely be very high to extreme in those areas. Ahead of the dryline moisture will be flowing in on decent SE winds at the surface. Instability will be pretty high anywhere ahead of the dryline but the highest levels will be from Central into Northern OK. Depending on the position of the dryline will really depend on where things setup. Positioning right now is for early evening, which it'll likely start to retreat afterwards.

http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/05-05-11-sounding.GIF

Forecast sounding is pretty mixed on the ability for severe weather to occur. The two figures to really look at are CINH and CAP about mid way down. A CAP strength of 5.1 is going to be pretty tough to break. Instability looks very favorable for high end severe weather, but it does no good if a cloud can't even form. Should any storms get established, storm motion will be ENE at 25 mph.

I'll get more details on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday as we get closer. Right now it still looks like Tuesday/Wednesday could be significant severe days for the southern plains.

venture
05-06-2011, 01:18 AM
Updated outlook graphics. These are my forecasts, the SPC forecasts are from Thursday and the Friday update isn't available yet. Have 4 days of focused outlooks.

http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/050811-outlook.png

Not going to put out an outlook for Sunday, but the SPC area isn't too bad. If I were to put out an area it would be a bit more to the east of the SPC are and north of a Lawton to Norman line. There will be a batch of energy that will eject out as displayed on the 500MB images covering the late afternoon/early evening time frame. The cap is forecast to be very strong (See: http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/05-08-11-sounding.GIF) but we might see some weakening of it. Any upper air support that will bring lift will help in any storm formation, but coverage should be very low and therefore won't put an outlook up now. If things look like the cap will break for one or two storms, I'll put one in.

http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/050911-outlook.png

Monday looks a bit better. I did put in a slight risk area over the eastern half of the SPC area. This will be in an area ahead of the dryline, in mostly high instability, and where there are indications of the cap being weakest. Doesn't appear to be the same batch of energy passing over to help with convection development, but with a weaker cap a few storms seem more likely. Forecast sounding: http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/05-09-11-sounding.GIF

http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/051011-outlook.png

Tuesday looks like a severe weather day over a large area. Instability will be high, the cap will be weakening, and a batch of energy will eject out over SW OK by late afternoon. Storms will likely start forming in SW OK around 5-7PM and increase in coverage through the evening. Conditions will be favorable for severe storms with large hail, damaging winds, and a growing tornado threat. SPC has outlined Western & Central OK and already mentioned the risk of strong tornadoes. This could be one of those typical "Day before the Day" events that weather geeks tend to refer to. I went ahead and did a pretty broad slight risk for most of Oklahoma. Forecast Sounding: http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/05-10-11-sounding.GIF

http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/051111-outlook.png

Flat out severe weather day. Outbreak potential will be there. The main batch of energy will be ejecting out through the afternoon. Cold front will be dropping into NW OK and a dryline extending through SW OK. Instability will be very high ahead of these boundaries along and west of I-35. The cap will also be weakest in these areas. Did another pretty broad slight risk area for this day as the models have been extremely consistent in this day and it seems like this is going to happen. Forecast Sounding: http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/05-11-11-sounding.GIF

venture
05-06-2011, 01:33 AM
New SPC Day 3 Outlook is out and they have included a slight risk for most of Western OK.

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day3prob_0730.gif

...SRN HIGH PLAINS...
DRYLINE WILL LIKELY MIX EWD INTO SCNTRL KS...WRN OK AND CENTRAL
EDWARDS PLATEAU REGION BY 21Z SUNDAY. STRONG EML WILL BE
PROBLEMATIC AS CAPPING CONCERNS PREVAIL. HOWEVER...WEAK HEIGHT
FALLS ASSOCIATED WITH AN EJECTING IMPULSE IN COMBINATION WITH VERY
HOT BOUNDARY LAYER TEMPERATURES WILL BE IMPETUS FOR WIDELY SCATTERED
TSTMS FROM SCNTRL KS SWD INTO WRN N TX LATE SUNDAY AFTERNOON.
BUOYANCY WILL BE ROBUST OWING TO AMPLE BOUNDARY LAYER MOISTURE AND
8.5 DEG C PER KM H7-H5 LAPSE RATES AND SUPERCELLS WILL BE LIKELY
SHOULD STORMS FORM WITH VERY LARGE HAIL AND POSSIBLY A TORNADO.
ACTIVITY SHOULD DIMINISH BY MID-EVENING AS STORMS MOVE INTO
INCREASINGLY CAPPED NOCTURNAL BOUNDARY LAYER ENVIRONMENT.

venture
05-06-2011, 08:35 AM
New Day 4-8 Outlook is up highlighting Tuesday & Wednesday

DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0353 AM CDT FRI MAY 06 2011

VALID 091200Z - 141200Z

...DISCUSSION...
UPPER FLOW WILL BECOME MORE MERIDIONAL ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN THE
MEDIUM RANGE AS THE WEST COAST TROUGH DEEPENS AND THEN BEGINS TO
EJECT ENE INTO THE PLAINS BY TUE AND WED. AS THE TROUGH DIGS INTO
THE GREAT BASIN...SWLY LOW/MID-LEVEL FLOW WILL TRANSPORT A VERY
STRONG EML ACROSS THE PLAINS FROM THE MEXICAN PLATEAU. AT THE SAME
TIME...THERE WILL BE IMPROVING LOW-LEVEL GULF MOISTURE ACROSS THE
PLAINS...PARTICULARLY TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY.

DRYLINE TSTM INITIATION IS COMPARATIVELY MORE UNCERTAIN ON MONDAY
AFTN THAN ON SUNDAY AS MID-LEVELS FURTHER WARM IN ADVANCE OF THE
DIGGING IMPULSE INTO THE DESERT SW. MORE ROBUST SEVERE EVENTS
APPEAR LIKELY ON TUESDAY AND...PARTICULARILY...ON WEDNESDAY /DAY 5
AND 6/ AS THE UPPER STORM SYSTEM BODILY MOVES ONTO THE PLAINS.
THESE STORMS WILL DEVELOP IN INCREASINGLY LARGE HODOGRAPHS AND
BUOYANCY...YIELDING THREATS FOR VERY LARGE HAIL...TORNADOES AND
DAMAGING WIND GUSTS.

BEYOND DAY 6...MEDIUM RANGE GUIDANCE INTRODUCES A INCREASING SPREAD
ON THE HANDLING OF THE TROUGH AS IT TRANSLATES EWD ACROSS THE
MIDWEST AND NERN STATES. THIS RENDERS THE REMAINDER OF THE MEDIUM
RANGE PREDICTABILITY TOO LOW TO DELINEATE SVR WEATHER AREAS.

venture
05-06-2011, 02:29 PM
Nothing new from the afternoon OUN AFD...but just reaffirming the severity of next week.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
244 PM CDT FRI MAY 6 2011

.DISCUSSION...WARMING TREND WILL CONTINUE THE NEXT FEW DAYS ACROSS
THE FA WITH FIRE WEATHER ISSUES BECOMING A CONCERN IN THE WEST.
WEAK SURFACE BOUNDARY WILL DRIFT INTO NRN PARTS OF THE FA LATE
TONIGHT AS S/W TROUGH MOVES THROUGH THE NRN PLAINS. MODELS
CONTINUE TO DEVELOP PRECIP TO THE NE OF THE FA OVERNIGHT AS LLJ
INTERACTS WITH DEVELOPING WARM FRONT NEAR KS BORDER. ALTHOUGH IT
LOOKS LIKE MOST OF THE ACTIVITY SHOULD REMAIN NORTH OF THE FA WILL
INCLUDE SOME LOW POPS FOR FAR NE PARTS OF THE FA TONIGHT. WEAK
BOUNDARY IS EXPECTED TO DRIFT SWD INTO NRN PARTS OF THE AREA
SATURDAY BEFORE WEAKENING AND LIFTING BACK NORTH. ALTHOUGH W4RM
MID LEVEL TEMPS WILL INHIBIT STORM INITIATION ALONG THE DRYLINE
THROUGH MONDAY...VERY HOT TEMPS AND CONVERGENCE ALONG THE DRYLINE
MIGHT BE SUFFICIENT TO INITIATE A STORM OR TWO. THUS WILL CONTINUE
THE TREND OF PREVIOUS FORECAST AND LEAVE MENTION OF ISOLATED
THUNDERSTORMS IN FOR THOSE AREAS. IF STORMS CAN INITIATE...THEY
WILL LIKELY BE SEVERE GIVEN THE STRONG INSTABILITY. THUNDERSTORM CHANCES
WILL BEGIN TO IMPROVE TUESDAY...AND ESPECIALLY WEDNESDAY...AS THE
MAIN UPPER TROUGH BEGINS TO LIFT NEWD FROM THE ROCKIES INTO THE
PLAINS AND THE COLD FRONT/DRYLINE PUSH FARTHER INTO THE AREA.
CONDITIONS WILL BE FAVORABLE FOR MORE WIDESPREAD SEVERE WEATHER
DURING THAT TIME FRAME. COOLER AND DRIER WEATHER WILL THEN RETURN
THURSDAY AS THE FRONT PUSHES WELL SOUTH OF THE AREA.

venture
05-07-2011, 12:00 AM
No major update for tonight. 00Z GFS has sped up a bit with the system, a tend it has shown all day today with each run. It is crashing the cold front through much faster on Wednesday. Initially last nights run had it just west of Highway US 281 near Weatherford. Tonights run has it almost 30 miles to US 177 east of the Metro area. Comparing ECMWF and GFS there is a pretty wide gab between the two. The EC is definitely slower than GFS and has been more stable in predicting this storm. The GFS has tended to get closer aligned to it through time, but they still aren't lining up for Wednesday. So we can't really take GFS too literal as there isn't a lot of agreement out there right now. Also we've seen GFS be very consistent on the placement, for the most part, for the last several days and now it is accelerating more and more. We are also just now seeing the first part of this storm system come on shore out west, so I'm not ready to make any wild changes.

Below is the visible satellite image from early Saturday morning just after midnight local time. You can see the system moving out of the Northern Plains that brought a weak boundary through the state yesterday that gave NE OK some light rain and a rumble of thunder. Our main system we are watching is still off the coast of BC with the first batch of energy from it now moving through the Pac Northwest. Once the system is fully on shore we'll be able to get more accurate measurements for the models to correctly pick up on.

http://www.chatokc.com/images/save/sat-5711-1am.png

venture
05-07-2011, 12:18 AM
Day 2 Outlook has continued with a slight risk by the SPC over Central and SW Oklahoma. It is also a hatched area which is in respect to the instability and dynamics in place that large hail will be likely with any storm that can form and get going. Tornado threat is not zero and will be possible should any storm get established. The graphic below I have the SPC outlook area and some other information show the region with a very strong cap, the dryline out west, and a quick look at the surface vs. 500 mb winds. As storms move east into the capped area, they will like start to decrease rapidly unless it is intense enough to work through it. Day 2 outlook below but took out most of the text that doesn't apply to us.

http://www.chatokc.com/svroutlook/050811-outlook.png

DAY 2 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK CORR 1
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1246 AM CDT SAT MAY 07 2011

VALID 081200Z - 091200Z

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS ACROSS THE CNTRL/NRN PLAINS...

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS ACROSS THE SRN HIGH PLAINS...

CORRECTED FOR PROBABILITY LINES

...SYNOPSIS...
UPPER FLOW REGIME WILL BECOME INCREASINGLY MERIDIONAL ON SUNDAY AND
FEATURE A DEEP TROUGH OVER THE N ATLANTIC AND A DIGGING IMPULSE OVER
THE WRN STATES. A WEAK MID-LEVEL SHORTWAVE TROUGH WILL EJECT ENE
AHEAD OF THE LATTER SYSTEM INTO THE CNTRL/SRN PLAINS BY SUNDAY
AFTERNOON. AT THE SFC...A COLD FRONT TIED TO THE ATLANTIC TROUGH
WILL SETTLE INTO THE CAROLINAS. TAIL END OF SAME FRONT WILL
REDEVELOP NWD AS A WARM FRONT FROM THE MIDWEST INTO THE DAKOTAS AS A
DRYLINE/LEE TROUGH STRENGTHENS ACROSS THE CNTRL/SRN HIGH PLAINS.

...SRN PLAINS...
CONDITIONAL THREAT FOR ISOLD SUPERCELL STORMS WILL EXIST MID-AFTN
SUNDAY INTO THE MID-EVENING HOURS. MODELS CONTINUE TO INDICATE THAT
A WEAK TROUGH/HEIGHT FALLS WILL GRAZE THE REGION DURING PEAK
HEATING. FCST TEMPERATURES WILL BE IN EXCESS OF 100 DEG F WEST OF
THE DRYLINE AND THERE MAY BE A SUFFICIENTLY DEEP CIRCULATION ALONG
THE BOUNDARY FOR WEAKENING CINH/ISOLD TSTM INITIATION ACROSS WRN
OK/NW TX. ROUGHLY 50 KTS OF CROSS-BOUNDARY DEEP-LAYER SHEAR AND
VERY STEEP MID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES WILL BE FAVORABLE FOR VERY LARGE
HAIL WITH ANY STORM THAT CAN FORM. A TORNADO CANNOT BE RULED OUT
EARLY IN THE EVENING...BUT LCL/S WILL BE SOMEWHAT HIGH. THE ZONE OF
SVR THREAT WILL BE NARROW SINCE ANY SUSTAINED STORM WILL MOVE INTO
AN INCREASINGLY CAPPED ENVIRONMENT OVER NCNTRL TX/CNTRL OK DURING
THE LATE EVENING.

MORE UNCERTAINTY EXISTS FOR CONVECTIVE INITIATION ELSEWHERE ALONG
THE DRYLINE FROM CNTRL KS TO THE E PARTS OF THE EDWARDS PLATEAU
WHERE CAP WILL REMAIN VERY STRONG.


..RACY.. 05/07/2011

Boo1083
05-07-2011, 12:18 AM
I love this blog site! Do you give blog imformation on southeast Oklahoma too? I'm in Poteau, and I like to be ahead of severe weather !

Thunder
05-07-2011, 12:38 AM
So, nothing to expect for the 7th, which is today? *sighs* The time seem to have gotten slower and slower, but it could be the storms keep pushing further days away. All we can do is wait, wait, and wait. It is like having that feeling, "Will it be my house this year?"

venture
05-07-2011, 02:59 AM
SPC 4-8 Day Outlook is out now... Lot of the things I picked up on earlier this evening are mentioned. They seem to like the consistency of the ECMWF model which slows thing down a bit...Keeps Tuesday as an isolated day (as previously thought) and a potential outbreak for Wednesday.

DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0353 AM CDT SAT MAY 07 2011

VALID 101200Z - 151200Z

...DISCUSSION...
ATTENTION IN THE MEDIUM RANGE WILL REVOLVE AROUND THE EJECTION OF
THE WRN STATES UPPER TROUGH INTO THE MID-SECTION OF THE COUNTRY.
GUIDANCE HAS DECIDEDLY BECOME HIGHLY VARIED AND CONFIDENCE HAS
DECREASED...ALTHOUGH 00Z ECMWF SEEMS TO BE THE MOST CONSISTENT.

THE LEAD WAVE THAT CRESTS THE ROCKIES ON MONDAY WILL CONTINUE ENE
ACROSS THE DAKOTAS ON TUESDAY. THIS MAY HELP SUPPORT STRONG TO
SCATTERED SVR STORMS OVER THE UPR MS VLY/ERN DAKOTAS ON DAY 4...TOO
SPARSE FOR A MEDIUM RANGE OUTLOOK. MEANWHILE...HOT BOUNDARY
LAYER...WEAK HEIGHT FALLS AND CONVERGENCE ALONG THE DRYLINE MAY
YIELD ISOLD SVR STORMS OVER SW OK INTO W TX ON TUESDAY...THOUGH
CONFIDENCE IS NOT HIGH...ESPECIALLY GIVEN STRENGTH OF THE EML.

ECMWF WOULD LEND CREDENCE TO A HIGHER POTENTIAL FOR A HIGHER-END SVR
EPISODE ON WEDNESDAY AS PRIMARY TROUGH EJECTS INTO THE CNTRL/SRN
PLAINS. SFC LOW SHOULD REMAIN ON THE CO/KS BORDER...ALLOWING
DRYLINE TO SET UP FROM W KS INTO NW TX. COOLING MID-LEVEL
TEMPERATURES AND ASCENT/MOISTENING SHOULD WEAKEN THE CAP AND
ORGANIZED STORMS SHOULD EVOLVE WEDNESDAY AFTN/EVE ACROSS CNTRL
KS...WRN/CNTRL OK AND NCNTRL/NWRN TX WITH ALL FACETS OF SVR WEATHER
POSSIBLE.

BEYOND WEDNESDAY...FLOW REGIME EXHIBITS PARTICULARLY LOW
PREDICTABILITY.

Thunder
05-07-2011, 03:45 AM
I get the feeling we are going to have an EF5 sweeping through the metro. Possibly an EF6. Maybe higher.

PennyQuilts
05-07-2011, 07:23 AM
Maybe an EF7!

Bostonfan
05-07-2011, 07:45 AM
Can we keep this thread informational? Maybe make an "I hope for death and destruction" thread somewhere else? My God.

Thunder
05-07-2011, 08:08 AM
We don't want death and destruction. Its just the history that happens after a strong La Nina. Looking at the SE, now its our turn, so it is scary. Reflect back on May 3rd, 1999.

venture
05-07-2011, 09:07 AM
Can we keep this thread informational? Maybe make an "I hope for death and destruction" thread somewhere else? My God.

Will have to side with Bostonfan here for this. We could be looking at a high end event for us that yes, could involve a tornado outbreak, so let's not get anyone freaked out if at all possible. :-)

bandnerd
05-07-2011, 09:14 AM
I think we've all reflected enough. Let's be prepared without panicking or causing a panic.

Andrew4OU
05-07-2011, 11:55 AM
Uhm... seriously, Thunder? Good gosh.

venture
05-07-2011, 12:26 PM
Updated Day 2 for Sunday...

...SRN PLAINS...
A CONDITIONAL THREAT OF SUPERCELLS CAPABLE OF VERY LARGE HAIL WILL
EXIST. STRONG CONVECTIVE INHIBITION WILL GENERALLY LIMIT DEVELOPMENT
THROUGH MUCH OF THE AFTERNOON/EVENING. HOWEVER...HEATING/MIXING WEST
OF THE DRYLINE CHARACTERIZED BY HOT TEMPERATURES IN THE MID 90S TO
NEAR 100 F SUGGEST THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE CAP MAY ERODE IN A
NARROW CORRIDOR ACROSS WRN/CNTRL OK SWD INTO TX AS A WEAK UPPER
TROUGH/SUBTLE VORT MAX APPROACH THE AREA. GIVEN VERY STEEP MID LEVEL
LAPSE RATES IN EXCESS OF 8.5 C/KM...AND DEEP LAYER SHEAR VECTORS
ORIENTED PERPENDICULAR TO THE DRYLINE...A FEW HIGH-BASED SUPERCELLS
MAY DEVELOP. ALTHOUGH A TORNADO CANNOT BE RULED OUT...HIGH-BASED
NATURE SUGGESTS LOW PROBABILITIES OF THIS OCCURRING.

venture
05-08-2011, 12:33 AM
Severe threat today is mostly for hail...

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day1probotlk_1200_hail.gif

...SRN PLAINS...

CONDITIONAL RISK OF SEVERE STORMS IS FORECAST ALONG THE DRYLINE
SUNDAY...PRIMARILY FROM SWRN OK INTO SWRN TX. LATEST NAM/GFS
GUIDANCE HAS GRADUALLY EASED AWAY FROM CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT ALONG
THIS ZONE THE LAST SEVERAL MODEL RUNS. EARLY EVENING SATELLITE
IMAGERY DOES SUGGEST A FEW MINOR IMPULSES EMBEDDED WITHIN THE FLOW
ACROSS THE SWRN U.S. WHICH SHOULD APPROACH THE DRYLINE BEFORE THEY
WEAKEN. THIS NEUTRAL-WEAK LARGE SCALE SUPPORT MAY ALLOW ISOLATED
THUNDERSTORMS TO DEVELOP AS TEMPERATURES SOAR INTO THE 90S TO NEAR
100F. ANY STORMS THAT EMERGE ACROSS THIS REGION COULD CERTAINLY
PRODUCE LARGE HAIL BEFORE WEAKENING BY 03Z.

venture
05-08-2011, 03:05 AM
Pretty much steady as she goes for Wednesday. The Day 4-8 SPC Discussion is below. Looking at the models tonight...ECMWF is still favored (per SPC) and GFS and NAM are a bit different, but really not by a lot. NAM only goes out 84 hours, so that takes us to Weds morning. We'll need to wait for late morning to get more specific for Wednesday evening.

Comparing GFS and ECMWF, GFS kicks things through faster than ECMWF. At 7PM Wednesday, GFS has the southern Low kicking up through SW Nebraska, whereas ECMWF has it located in SW/SC Kansas. Either way, dryline will be across western OK with a cold front over extreme NW OK. Some storms may be on going early on Wednesday, so those could come into play. However, storms will fire in an environment that will have some cap, but be very breakable. At this point, storms will likely be severe with very large hail and tornadoes as the main risks.

Forecast Sounding for Wednesday evening showing an extremely unstable environment.

http://www.chatokc.com/images/okcsounding-51111.GIF

-------------------
DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0330 AM CDT SUN MAY 08 2011

VALID 111200Z - 161200Z

...DISCUSSION...
SRN PORTIONS OF THE WRN STATES UPPER TROUGH WILL BE IN THE PROCESS
OF EJECTING ENE FROM THE SRN ROCKIES INTO THE CNTRL/SRN PLAINS BY
TUESDAY NIGHT AND WEDNESDAY /DAY 4/. 00Z ECMWF SOLUTION IS
PREFERRED IN MAINTAINING STRONGER HEIGHT FALLS/JET AS IT MOVES INTO
KS/OK/W TX WITH TRIPLE POINT LIKELY EVOLVING OVER SW KS WEDNESDAY
AFTN. MAGNITUDE OF FORCING...COOLING MID-LEVEL TEMPS AND 50-60 KTS
OF SWLY MID-LEVEL FLOW ASSOCIATED WITH THE TROUGH SHOULD LEAD TO
ORGANIZED SEVERE STORMS FROM KS/NEB BORDER SWD INTO NRN TX. THESE
STORMS WILL THEN TRANSLATE ENE TOWARD SE NEB...ERN PARTS OF KS/OK
AND NCNTRL TX WEDNESDAY NIGHT. AT THIS POINT...DAY 4 APPEARS TO BE
SETTING UP FOR AN ACTIVE SEVERE EVENT WITH ALL FACETS OF SEVERE
WEATHER POSSIBLE.

venture
05-08-2011, 02:57 PM
Some sporadic CU trying to develop along the dryline, but nothing major to worry about right now.

Thunder
05-08-2011, 03:00 PM
Some sporadic CU trying to develop along the dryline, but nothing major to worry about right now.

Will they be capable of spawning those swirling monsters?

venture
05-08-2011, 03:05 PM
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/mcd0700.gif

MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0700
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0357 PM CDT SUN MAY 08 2011

AREAS AFFECTED...PORTIONS OF SWRN OK AND WRN PORTIONS OF NORTH TX

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH UNLIKELY

VALID 082057Z - 082300Z

AN ISOLATED SVR STORM OR TWO COULD DEVELOP ACROSS PORTIONS OF SWRN
OK AND WRN PORTIONS OF NORTH TX.

A DRYLINE CONTINUES TO SHARPEN FROM CNTRL OK INTO WRN PORTIONS OF
NORTH TX...EXTENDING FROM 15 W CHK TO THE RED RIVER 20 W SPS TO 25
ENE SJT AND FARTHER SW INTO SWRN TX. A BROAD MOIST SECTOR EXISTS
EAST OF THE DRYLINE WHERE SFC DEWPOINTS ARE IN THE MIDDLE 60S TO
NEAR 70. OVERLAYING THIS MOISTURE...VERY STEEP MID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES
/APPROACHING DRY ADIABATIC PER 12Z OBSERVED SOUNDINGS AT KOUN AND
KDDC/ IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE STRONG ELEVATED MIXED-LAYER ARE
CONTRIBUTING TO A VERY UNSTABLE AIR MASS EAST OF THE DRYLINE /MLCAPE
VALUES AOA 3000 J PER KG/. THUS FAR...STRONG CAPPING EAST OF THE
DRYLINE IS SUPPRESSING THE DEVELOPMENT.

CONTINUED STRONG INSOLATION OVER THE WRN PERIPHERY OF THE RICH
MOISTURE AXIS AND ERN PERIPHERY OF THE THERMAL AXIS COULD REDUCE
CONVECTIVE INHIBITION SUFFICIENTLY TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF A
THUNDERSTORM OR TWO ALONG AND IMMEDIATELY EAST OF THE DRYLINE. THERE
IS MUCH UNCERTAINTY IN THIS POTENTIAL...OWING TO LACK OF SUPPORT
FROM CONVECTIVE-ALLOWING MODELS AND UNCERTAINTY IN THE DEGREE OF
SUPPRESSION OF CONVECTIVE INHIBITION. HOWEVER...THE PRESENCE OF A
DEVELOPING CUMULUS FIELD NEAR THE DRYLINE...WHERE ENHANCED
CONVERGENCE IS PRESENT AND RAPID REFRESH FORECAST SOUNDINGS INDICATE
CONVECTIVE INHIBITION AOB 25 J/KG...LEND CREDENCE TO THIS THREAT
/ALBEIT SMALL/.

ANY STORM THAT FORMS COULD QUICKLY BECOME SEVERE...GIVEN THE DEGREE
OF POTENTIAL UPWARD BUOYANCY PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED. WHILE
LOW/MID-LEVEL FLOW IS NOT PARTICULARLY IMPRESSIVE...MODERATE
UPPER-LEVEL FLOW COUPLED WITH LARGE STORM DEPTHS WILL YIELD
EFFECTIVE BULK SHEAR MAGNITUDES FROM 35 TO 40 KT TO SUPPORT
SUPERCELLULAR STRUCTURES. THIS WILL ESPECIALLY BE THE CASE IF ANY
STORM IS STEERED INTO THE DEEPER MOISTURE EAST OF THE DRYLINE. DMGG
WINDS AND LARGE HAIL /POTENTIALLY VERY LARGE/ WILL BE THE MAIN
THREATS WITH ANY STORMS. THE ABSENCE OF STRONGER LOW-LEVEL FLOW PER
AREA VWPS IS EXPECTED TO MITIGATE THE TORNADO POTENTIAL. GIVEN THAT
ANY FORCING FOR CONVECTION WILL LARGELY BE TIED TO THE DRYLINE
/WHICH IS EXPECTED TO MAKE LITTLE EWD PROGRESS THROUGH THIS
EVENING/...GIVEN THE CONVECTIVE INHIBITION EAST OF THE DRYLINE...AND
GIVEN ONLY ISOLATED CONVECTIVE COVERAGE...THE SPATIAL EXTENT OF ANY
SEVERE THREAT IS EXPECTED TO BE LOW.

..COHEN.. 05/08/2011

silvergrove
05-08-2011, 03:16 PM
When driving home to see my folks in Yukon, I noticed those cumulus clouds towards the west-northwest. They're not really big but they at least are trying!

venture
05-08-2011, 04:33 PM
We do have storms attempting to go up now in Caddo County.

venture
05-08-2011, 05:01 PM
Bulletin - immediate broadcast requested
severe thunderstorm warning
national weather service norman ok
559 pm cdt sun may 8 2011

the national weather service in norman has issued a

* severe thunderstorm warning for...
Central grady county in central oklahoma...
Eastern caddo county in southwest oklahoma...

* until 645 pm cdt

* at 559 pm cdt...national weather service radar indicated a
severe thunderstorm centered 7 miles southwest of verden...moving
east northeast at 25 mph.

Hazards in the warning include...
Hail up to the size of quarters...
Wind gusts to 60 mph...

* locations in the warning include amber...bridge creek...
Chickasha...laverty...middleberg...ninnekah...norg e...tabler and
verden.

venture
05-08-2011, 05:03 PM
Chat room at www.chatokc.com is now up and going.

silvergrove
05-08-2011, 05:18 PM
Back in my home away from home in the MLK neighborhood, those clouds to my southwest look rather scary! Looking forward to possible rain though :)

venture
05-08-2011, 05:55 PM
Bulletin - immediate broadcast requested
severe thunderstorm warning
national weather service norman ok
653 pm cdt sun may 8 2011

the national weather service in norman has issued a

* severe thunderstorm warning for...
Cotton county in southwest oklahoma...

* until 730 pm cdt

* at 653 pm cdt...national weather service radar indicated a severe
thunderstorm 7 miles south of devol...moving northeast at 40 mph.

Hazards in the warning include...
Hail up to the size of golf balls...
Wind gusts to 60 mph...

* locations in the warning include cookietown...devol...randlett...
Taylor...temple and walters.

This includes interstate 44 between mile markers 1 and 24.

Lat...lon 3415 9858 3416 9861 3424 9860 3445 9846
3429 9813 3414 9837 3406 9843 3406 9848
time...mot...loc 2353z 228deg 41kt 3412 9853

venture
05-08-2011, 09:09 PM
Special weather statement
national weather service norman ok
959 pm cdt sun may 8 2011

okz028-029-090315-
cleveland ok-mcclain ok-
959 pm cdt sun may 8 2011

...significant weather advisory...

This significant weather advisory is for cleveland and mcclain
counties.

At 1000 pm cdt...a strong thunderstorm was located 3 miles east of
criner...moving northeast at 35 mph.

Hazards include...
Hail up to one-half inch...
Wind gusts to 50 mph...

Monitor the weather situation closely and be alert for threatening
weather conditions.

venture
05-09-2011, 12:18 AM
New Day 2 Outlook is out for Tuesday. Monday no risk associated as cap is expected to be very strong.

...ERN PARTS OF CNTRL/SRN PLAINS...
REGION WILL REMAIN IN SUSTAINED SLY LOW-LEVEL FLOW THAT WILL
MAINTAIN RELATIVELY RICH BOUNDARY LAYER MOISTURE /SFC DEW POINTS IN
THE 60S/ THROUGH TUESDAY. THIS MOISTURE WILL BE TOPPED BY A STRONG
EML THAT WILL RESULT IN A STRONG CAP...BUT POTENTIALLY VERY STRONG
INSTABILITY GIVEN 8+ DEG C/KM H5-H7 LAPSE RATES.

SECONDARY MID-LEVEL WAVE...EXPECTED TO BEGIN AN ENE TREK TO THE SRN
ROCKIES BY TUESDAY AFTN...WILL RESULT IN WEAKLY DIFLUENT UPR FLOW
REGIME ACROSS THE DRYLINE DURING THE AFTN/EVE. ALTHOUGH STORM
INITIATION CANNOT BE RULED OUT FROM NRN OK INTO CNTRL/ERN
KS...HIGHER PROBABILITIES WILL EXIST FROM CNTRL/SWRN OK INTO THE ERN
EDWARDS PLATEAU OF TX WHERE HOTTEST BOUNDARY LAYER TEMPERATURES
SHOULD EXIST. WIND PROFILES CONSISTING OF VERTICAL SHEAR OF 45-50
KTS...AND THE MAGNITUDE OF LAPSE RATES WILL YIELD SUPERCELLS WITH
LARGE HAIL AND PERHAPS ISOLD TORNADOES/DMGG WIND GUSTS DURING THE
EVENING. ACTIVITY MAY PERSIST INTO LATE EVENING ACROSS ERN OK TO
CNTRL TX WITH AT LEAST ISOLD LARGE HAIL.

MEANWHILE...WRN FRINGES OF EVENING MOISTURE SURGE MAY IGNITE INTO
TSTMS VERY LATE IN THE PERIOD AS THE UPPER TROUGH EDGES TO THE SRN
HIGH PLAINS. THESE STORMS MAY PRODUCE ISOLD LARGE HAIL FROM THE TX
S PLAINS INTO THE TRANS-PECOS REGION OF SW TX.

Thunder
05-09-2011, 01:09 AM
Hi, I have a question and I hope you can answer it.

Lets say there is a broad area of strong cap and a storm successfully bust through an area of weaker cap. Does the surrounding strong cap prevent the storm, or at least slow the movement, from doing much? Like for an example, a ship trying to sail thru thick ice in ocean and sometime getting stuck. Is it that way with the storms? Do they have to struggle moving thru the strong cap or it doesn't matter once they bust an area?

venture
05-09-2011, 01:40 AM
Hi, I have a question and I hope you can answer it.

Lets say there is a broad area of strong cap and a storm successfully bust through an area of weaker cap. Does the surrounding strong cap prevent the storm, or at least slow the movement, from doing much? Like for an example, a ship trying to sail thru thick ice in ocean and sometime getting stuck. Is it that way with the storms? Do they have to struggle moving thru the strong cap or it doesn't matter once they bust an area?

Actually really good question and analogy. So let's take Sunday evening for example. Storms broke the cap and went severe. However around I-35 and to the east the cap was significantly stronger and move convective inhibition was present. As the storm moves into this, the ability to maintain itself becomes harder and it can get choked off. There are occasions where a strong is strong enough that it can start to create its own environment around itself and do what it wants. Those are rare though.

venture
05-09-2011, 01:44 AM
Significant Severe Weather risk is increasing for Wednesday.

New Day 3 Outlook from SPC...

Enhanced risk area is roughly along and west of I-35...including most of the OKC metro area.

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day3prob_0730.gif

DAY 3 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0228 AM CDT MON MAY 09 2011

VALID 111200Z - 121200Z

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS OVER A LARGE PORTION OF THE
PLAINS AND UPPER MS VLY/MIDWEST...

...CNTRL/SRN PLAINS...
AN ACTIVE WEATHER WEDNESDAY IS EXPECTED AS PRIMARY PORTION OF THE
WRN STATES UPPER TROUGH BEGINS TO EJECT AS A NEGATIVE-TILT ENTITY
INTO THE CNTRL/SRN PLAINS. ACCOMPANYING LEE LOW WILL DEVELOP FROM
SE CO INTO NCNTRL KS DURING THE AFTN AS THE DRYLINE MIXES EWD INTO
CNTRL KS...WRN OK AND ERN EDWARDS PLATEAU IN TX. 60S SFC DEW POINTS
AND 7-8.5 DEG C/KM MID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES WILL CONTRIBUTE TO VERY
UNSTABLE CONDITIONS FROM CNTRL TX NWD TO THE NCNTRL KS/SCNTRL NEB
BORDER.

THERE ARE SOME MODELS THAT SUGGEST THAT A LEAD SUB-TROPICAL IMPULSE
MAY AID IN THE INITIATION OF TSTMS ACROSS NCNTRL TX INTO SERN OK
DURING THE EARLY-MID AFTN...BUT CONFIDENCE IS LOW AT THIS TIME AS IT
IS UNCLEAR ON EXACTLY WHAT INITIATING BOUNDARY MAY PLAY A ROLE IN
THIS INITIATION. THIS POSSIBILITY WILL HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED AND
WAS INCLUDED IN 15% SVR PROBS SINCE VERTICAL SHEAR/BUOYANCY WILL BE
SUFFICIENT FOR ORGANIZED STORMS.

MEANWHILE...AS MID-LEVEL COOLING AND ASCENT TIED TO THE TROUGH
SPREADS ACROSS THE HIGH PLAINS...COMBINATION OF HEATING AND ERODING
CAP WILL LEAD TO TSTM INITIATION NEAR TRIPLE POINT OVER NWRN/CNTRL
KS SWD ALONG THE DRYLINE INTO CNTRL TX BY MID-LATE AFTN. SUPERCELLS
WILL BE LIKELY WITH VERY LARGE HAIL...TORNADOES AND DMGG WINDS.
STRONGER ASCENT WILL SPREAD ENE ACROSS KS/NEB AND TOWARD IA/NW MO
WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND LIKELY SUPPORT ONE OR MORE CLUSTERS OF
STRONG/SVR STORMS. ADDITIONAL LONGER-LIVED TSTMS WILL LIKELY EXIST
THROUGH MOST OF THE NIGHT ACROSS PARTS OF CNTRL/NRN TX WITH SIMILAR
THREATS FOR HAIL AND HIGH WINDS.

Thunder
05-09-2011, 02:01 AM
Thanks.

And its about time when things are set up for the western half. I am sick of all the rain the eastern half kept getting. :-)

venture
05-09-2011, 02:17 AM
Sure thing. :-)

Yeah, the west needs some rain...unfortunately the severe weather comes with it this time of year so we just need to prepare.

Couple of side notes...

The chat room is up and running at www.chatokc.com and will be moderated during active weather or when conditions warrant.

The new sister site for the chat room, www.storm-scope.com is back up and running with a new format. I'm in the process of adding more content to it. Any requests will tried to be honored. Want to have a fast and easy to navigate one stop site to find critical weather info.

Charlie40
05-09-2011, 09:14 AM
Venture, Does Wednesdays storms look like a mod to high end even for us here in central Oklahoma or just a few scattered storms popping up here and there? Whats the timeline for the Metro to see storms roll through on Wednesday? Thanks for all you do !!

ou48A
05-09-2011, 11:53 AM
Venture,,,,,What are the chances of long tracked large and damaging Tornados on Wednesday?

Thanks

Thunder
05-09-2011, 12:25 PM
The chances are there. All of that. There is the potential. I think this is the greatest potential of the season so far and that the coverage is now including the western half. Slight risk that I see now and possibly upgrade to Mod risk (just my opinion) tomorrow maybe. I dunno, Venture knows it all, tho. :-)

His best advice will be just to be prepared. That is all we can do. Just be prepared and expect to change plans, etc. Keep watch on the weather, etc, there are multiple text and email alerts you can subscribe to for current on-goings. There are a whole lot of factors in play.

Its like next to impossible to predict if there will be long-track tornadoes, etc. Each storm/super cell has a mind of their own and it just depend. But the chances is there for severe storms with the potential. That is the best I can say. Venture can provide more.

ou48A
05-09-2011, 12:40 PM
The chances are there. All of that. There is the potential. I think this is the greatest potential of the season so far and that the coverage is now including the western half. Slight risk that I see now and possibly upgrade to Mod risk (just my opinion) tomorrow maybe. I dunno, Venture knows it all, tho. :-)

His best advice will be just to be prepared. That is all we can do. Just be prepared and expect to change plans, etc. Keep watch on the weather, etc, there are multiple text and email alerts you can subscribe to for current on-goings. There are a whole lot of factors in play.

Its like next to impossible to predict if there will be long-track tornadoes, etc. Each storm/super cell has a mind of their own and it just depend. But the chances is there for severe storms with the potential. That is the best I can say. Venture can provide more.

Thanks
It’s those high end EF5 armageddon tornadoes that really scare me.

Thunder
05-09-2011, 12:52 PM
Thanks
It’s those high end EF5 armageddon tornadoes that really scare me.

I get excited watching them out in open fields, but quickly become scared when they get closer.

Thunder
05-09-2011, 12:54 PM
This is the current risk for Wednesday.

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day3otlk_0730.gif

Venture has the basics all on the First Post, so look there often to see the updates.

Day 1 is today. Day 2 is tomorrow. Day 3 is next day, and so on.

Today's Day 3 is Wednesday. Tomorrow's Day 2 is Wednesday.

Sometime the weather guys (usually KFOR is first to do it) post Moderate/High/Exceptional risk way ahead of SPC/NWS based on their own experience. As Venture would say... Take those TV guys' statement with a grain of salt. :-P