View Full Version : Restaurant that makes buttermilk or sourdough pancakes from scratch?



SSEiYah
03-02-2011, 10:50 AM
Is there a restaurant in Oklahoma City Metro that actually makes their pancakes from scratch? I have yet to find one.

jbkrems
03-02-2011, 12:58 PM
West

SSEiYah
09-26-2011, 08:41 PM
I tried West, they make their pancakes from a mix. The best I have had was from Nic's Grill, however they are not a buttermilk or sourdough pancake. Beverly's does the mix thing as well, same with Jimmys Egg and Cracker Barrel/Ihop/Other chains.

I'm just saying, I'd love to go to a place that makes buttermilk pancakes from scratch, it only takes flower, baking powder, baking soda, milk, eggs, butter, and buttermilk to make them and they are delicious if done right. Sourdough pancakes are a bit more difficult but I like both and I'd go for some good home-style buttermilk pancakes if I could find them.

I have not been able to try Cheevers on a Sunday, I've been there a few times and there is a massive line, so I assume they are doing something right.

jbkrems
09-26-2011, 09:22 PM
West does NOT make their pancakes from a mix. If they DO make them from a "mix," they are making it from a HOME-MADE mix, which is from "scratch."

Debzkidz
09-26-2011, 09:43 PM
I tried West, they make their pancakes from a mix. The best I have had was from Nic's Grill, however they are not a buttermilk or sourdough pancake. Beverly's does the mix thing as well, same with Jimmys Egg and Cracker Barrel/Ihop/Other chains.

I'm just saying, I'd love to go to a place that makes buttermilk pancakes from scratch, it only takes flower, baking powder, baking soda, milk, eggs, butter, and buttermilk to make them and they are delicious if done right. Sourdough pancakes are a bit more difficult but I like both and I'd go for some good home-style buttermilk pancakes if I could find them.

I have not been able to try Cheevers on a Sunday, I've been there a few times and there is a massive line, so I assume they are doing something right.

I don't believe Cheevers even has pancakes on their brunch menu. I don't recall ever seeing them. Theirs is not your typical breakfast fare, but they do make killer chicken and waffles though. Their brunch is awesome. Just make reservations online. We learned when we first moved here, never to try Cheevers without reservations.

jbkrems
09-27-2011, 12:24 AM
Cheevers does make excellent chicken and waffles. They do NOT have pancakes on their brunch menu, to my knowledge.

BBatesokc
09-27-2011, 06:34 AM
Is Red Cup or 501 from a mass produced mix? I've had pancakes at both those places and really liked them. They were pricey too, which has me hoping they were from scratch to justify the price.

Skyline
09-27-2011, 07:58 AM
I'll second Cafe 501, although I have no knowledge as to these pancakes being a mix or made from scratch.

Larry OKC
09-27-2011, 08:43 AM
I am missing something here...what is the difference between putting all of the dry ingredients together in advance (a mix) and one at a time when made???

Folks use mixes for convenience and consistency. You can do it the hard way, but why?

BBatesokc
09-27-2011, 09:25 AM
I am missing something here...what is the difference between putting all of the dry ingredients together in advance (a mix) and one at a time when made???

Folks use mixes for convenience and consistency. You can do it the hard way, but why?

I couldn't tell you "why" the difference exists, but it is certainly there. You can always tell the difference in pancakes, cakes, bread, mashed potatoes, veggies, etc. when they are fresh or store bought, canned or boxed.

I love when the wife makes a cake or pancakes from scratch. They look and taste different (better).

Larry OKC
09-27-2011, 08:22 PM
That may be cause they contain different ingredients? Look at it this way. if you made a large batch of the dry ingredients and used them over a period of time, and also made a batch "from scratch", in a side by side taste test, would you be able to tell which was which? Exact same ingredients etc? Probably not. Especially if it was something that she could serve you without knowing in advance that one cookie was from the homemade "mix" and the other was from "scratch"

I am not talking about differences in packing materials as that can change the taste (such as canned, frozen etc) or the same product (say waffles) from different companies, because that can easily go back to different ingredients or recipies.

BBatesokc
09-27-2011, 08:41 PM
Problem is, look at a box of pancake mix and read the ingredients and ask yourself if those chemical sounding ingredients are in your from scratch batch.

BBatesokc
09-27-2011, 08:46 PM
Aunt Jemima:
ENRICHED BLEACHED FLOUR (BLEACHED WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMIN MONONITRATE, RIBOFLAVIN, FOLIC ACID), SUGAR, LEAVENING (SODIUM BICARBONATE, SODIUM ALUMINUM PHOSPHATE, MONOCALCIUM PHOSPHATE), DEXTROSE, DRIED BUTTERMILK, PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED SOYBEAN OIL, SALT, WHEAT GLUTEN, DEFATTED SOY FLOUR, CALCIUM CARBONATE, CORN SYRUP SOLIDS, NONFAT DRY MILK, SOY LECITHIN, SODIUM CASEINATE, MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES, SOYBEAN OIL, LACTIC ACID.

Homemade:
Flour, baking powder, sugar, salt, eggs, milk

bluedogok
09-27-2011, 08:55 PM
We had some great pancakes last Friday morning and they were huge, my wife had the buttermilk and I had the wheat and honey pancakes. The only problem is that it was at the Columbine Cafe in Breckenridge, oh well hopefully soon it will be much closer to us.

Larry OKC
09-28-2011, 03:14 AM
Problem is, look at a box of pancake mix and read the ingredients and ask yourself if those chemical sounding ingredients are in your from scratch batch.


Aunt Jemima:
ENRICHED BLEACHED FLOUR (BLEACHED WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMIN MONONITRATE, RIBOFLAVIN, FOLIC ACID), SUGAR, LEAVENING (SODIUM BICARBONATE, SODIUM ALUMINUM PHOSPHATE, MONOCALCIUM PHOSPHATE), DEXTROSE, DRIED BUTTERMILK, PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED SOYBEAN OIL, SALT, WHEAT GLUTEN, DEFATTED SOY FLOUR, CALCIUM CARBONATE, CORN SYRUP SOLIDS, NONFAT DRY MILK, SOY LECITHIN, SODIUM CASEINATE, MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES, SOYBEAN OIL, LACTIC ACID.

Homemade:
Flour, baking powder, sugar, salt, eggs, milk

Please go back and read post #11 again. What you are describing is apples & oranges (NOT the same ingredients). Of course they are going to taste different. Go to Sunflower and buy a bunch of flour, baking powder, sugar, salt. Mix up a batch of the dry goods to cover several meals. Then use the homemade "mix" and compare it to ones you make individually from "scratch".

BBatesokc
09-28-2011, 04:34 AM
Please go back and read post #11 again. What you are describing is apples & oranges (NOT the same ingredients). Of course they are going to taste different. Go to Sunflower and buy a bunch of flour, baking powder, sugar, salt. Mix up a batch of the dry goods to cover several meals. Then use the homemade "mix" and compare it to ones you make individually from "scratch".

I didn't get the impression that's what the original post (#1) was referring to. When someone says "pancakes from a mix" I seriously doubt very many people are thinking about anything other than commercially available box mixes either like you get from a grocery store or from a wholesale food supplier - those are going to have ingredients you most certainly are not going to utilize when cooking from scratch - so, you can't compare them ingredient for ingredient.

If a restaurant makes an item from scratch in large enough quantities to store and utilize over a short period of time, then I think most of us would consider than "made from scratch." Which is not what the original poster was referring in my mind.

The whole reason people prefer made from scratch over what most people define as "a mix" (or not made from scratch) is the fact the ingredients are not the same or even the same quality - which is comparing apples to oranges.

So, maybe we need clarification; SSEiYah (or anyone else), by 'mix' do you mean commercially available boxed mixes?

Larry OKC
09-28-2011, 10:28 AM
No worries BBatesokc, I think you are correct with the original post's intent. The thread and morphed somewhat by the time we got into our exchange. The only reason I can think of for all of the "added" ingredients may extend the shelf life and possibly substituting some of the wet ingredients with dry ones (like the dried buttermilk & milk you mentioned) where all they have to do is add water. Takes up less space and don't have to worry about buttermilk and milk food spoilage/storage issues. Again, it goes back to convenience (faster/easier to dump a package and add water than to measure each ingredient out) and consistency. Only have to get one measurement right instead of six. If eggs are not added, don't have to worry about egg shells and stuff.

Now if the places are using commercial mixes (like Aunt Jemima) rather than a custom mix just for that chain, that is a different animal entirely.

OkieHornet
09-28-2011, 11:19 AM
anyone had pancakes at first watch?

jbkrems
09-28-2011, 11:26 AM
Yes, I've had pancakes at First Watch, and I don't like them, as much. They are really sweet and slightly rubbery on the interior. A little bit dry and "sugary" on the inside. West makes the best pancakes for Sunday Brunch.

BBatesokc
09-28-2011, 11:56 AM
anyone had pancakes at first watch?

I was really excited to try this place - only to find it marginal.

OkieHornet
09-28-2011, 12:30 PM
I was really excited to try this place - only to find it marginal.

same with me. we had some groupon/eataroundokc deal and found it to be ok, but nothing spectacular. i had an omelette but figured i'd try the pancakes on the next trip.