Oklahoma City is growing in population at a good steady pace, but not all growth is good, we all hear about the good things about the economy growth of Oklahoma City, but we rarely hear about the crime growth, in particular prostitution.

It seems that the prostitution problem in Oklahoma City is getting worse, and expanding to more different parts of the city. Long has S. Robinson been the focal point for prostitution in Oklahoma City, however S. Robinson is no longer the premier track for prostitution Oklahoma City. You now have 10th and McArthur, 122nd and I-35 truck stop, but more astonishing strip clubs.

The strip club prostitution scene has become a major animal that authorities now can't control. I don't understand how a police station can sit in between 3 strip clubs, (literally), and not enforce prostitution in those strip clubs where its the worst. As "john's" and prostitutes are being smarter, and getting off the streets and taking it inside to the strip clubs, where "john's" can simply pick up a prostitute, and leave, and then the prostitute can come back to work in the strip club. Even more, the bartenders/managers of the strip club know this goes on, but they receive a cut.

It seems that the OKC authorities are not taking this seriously and in some fashion they are silently decriminalizing prostitution in Oklahoma City as its getting worse, not better.

What OKC Police station sits in the middle of three strip clubs?

Valley Brook Police Department on S.E. 59th

It goes:

Baby Dolls - Fancy's - Valley Brook Police Department - Little Darlin's

Valley Brook Police Department on S.E. 59th

It goes:

Baby Dolls - Fancy's - Valley Brook Police Department - Little Darlin's

You must be naive to think that Valley Brook is not getting some kind kickback.

LOL....might be, but its crazy...but there are other strip clubs across the city, where its not enforced, especially in the 10th and McArthur area...

If this is such a shady and hidden buisness, how did you find out about it?

If this is such a shady and hidden buisness, how did you find out about it?

Personal research lol

What they do in their personal time is their own personal business. What money they spend on is their choice. Honestly, no one can complain. Quite funny how one would complain about people paying for sex, but not complain about people having free sex.

Ah an OKCTalk prostitution thread.

ITT:

1) Thunder will defend prostitution.
2) Brian Bates will explain yet again how it is anything but a victimless crime.

It might not be such a big deal if it didn't involve people who were almost uniformly molested as children and molded into sex workers who really have no place in the world past the age of thirty or so, who are almost inevitably going to end up strung out on meth or some other drug and dead at a very young age. Sometimes, it is the state's business to protect the stupid from themselves.

Can we tax it and move on? :-P

Oklahoma City is growing in population at a good steady pace, but not all growth is good, we all hear about the good things about the economy growth of Oklahoma City, but we rarely hear about the crime growth, in particular prostitution.

It seems that the prostitution problem in Oklahoma City is getting worse, and expanding to more different parts of the city. Long has S. Robinson been the focal point for prostitution in Oklahoma City, however S. Robinson is no longer the premier track for prostitution Oklahoma City. You now have 10th and McArthur, 122nd and I-35 truck stop, but more astonishing strip clubs.

The strip club prostitution scene has become a major animal that authorities now can't control. I don't understand how a police station can sit in between 3 strip clubs, (literally), and not enforce prostitution in those strip clubs where its the worst. As "john's" and prostitutes are being smarter, and getting off the streets and taking it inside to the strip clubs, where "john's" can simply pick up a prostitute, and leave, and then the prostitute can come back to work in the strip club. Even more, the bartenders/managers of the strip club know this goes on, but they receive a cut.

It seems that the OKC authorities are not taking this seriously and in some fashion they are silently decriminalizing prostitution in Oklahoma City as its getting worse, not better.

Ah, come on, a number of guys are handicapped with their sex appeal, such as having an ugly face and/or are clueless in the romance department as to how to charm a woman out of her clothes without talking business first. But having adequate sex appeal has a lot to do with being able to do that.

As I have suggested before, and as a majority in a poll on the subject in this forum agreed, Oklahoma should go like Nevada and legalize prostition on a county by county basis. How it might turn out, a nearby county whose economy is slow would have a town in it with a motel that is abandoned or barely hanging on. It could be turned into a big whore house with the town and county collecting taxes from it. The whores could pose in their room windows or perform in a strip club in the motel. Hired security would keep things orderly and keep out drug trade. The result for Oklahoma City? Hopefully, most of the whores and johns would flee to that town's legal whorehouse, knowing they can't be arrested.

Oklahoma City is growing in population at a good steady pace, but not all growth is good, we all hear about the good things about the economy growth of Oklahoma City, but we rarely hear about the crime growth, in particular prostitution.

It seems that the prostitution problem in Oklahoma City is getting worse, and expanding to more different parts of the city. Long has S. Robinson been the focal point for prostitution in Oklahoma City, however S. Robinson is no longer the premier track for prostitution Oklahoma City. You now have 10th and McArthur, 122nd and I-35 truck stop, but more astonishing strip clubs.

The strip club prostitution scene has become a major animal that authorities now can't control. I don't understand how a police station can sit in between 3 strip clubs, (literally), and not enforce prostitution in those strip clubs where its the worst. As "john's" and prostitutes are being smarter, and getting off the streets and taking it inside to the strip clubs, where "john's" can simply pick up a prostitute, and leave, and then the prostitute can come back to work in the strip club. Even more, the bartenders/managers of the strip club know this goes on, but they receive a cut.

It seems that the OKC authorities are not taking this seriously and in some fashion they are silently decriminalizing prostitution in Oklahoma City as its getting worse, not better.

I was unaware there was any problem. And it's simply going to happen. Oldest profession. Only way to 100% stop it is to have government control of individuals and tracking and monitoring of conversations.

Ah an OKCTalk prostitution thread.

ITT:

1) Thunder will defend prostitution.
2) Brian Bates will explain yet again how it is anything but a victimless crime.

It might not be such a big deal if it didn't involve people who were almost uniformly molested as children and molded into sex workers who really have no place in the world past the age of thirty or so, who are almost inevitably going to end up strung out on meth or some other drug and dead at a very young age. Sometimes, it is the state's business to protect the stupid from themselves.

It is simply the same as being paid for services such as mowing lawns. Let them do what they want. Most police does it anyway. Ya think they only sit around and eat donuts? :-)

I guess people get the idea that prostitution is wrong from reading the Bible. But interesting how people want to throw people in jail for prostituion, but nobody goes to jail over adultery, even though the Bible clearly states that's wrong, so wrong that it's a part of the Ten Commandments. And I think fooling around in adultery can be a lot more hurtful and upsetting to people than prostitution.

Ah an OKCTalk prostitution thread.

ITT:

1) Thunder will defend prostitution.
2) Brian Bates will explain yet again how it is anything but a victimless crime.

It might not be such a big deal if it didn't involve people who were almost uniformly molested as children and molded into sex workers who really have no place in the world past the age of thirty or so, who are almost inevitably going to end up strung out on meth or some other drug and dead at a very young age. Sometimes, it is the state's business to protect the stupid from themselves.


Oh sure... just take the fun out of my Saturday afternoon activity :(

Before I get on my soapbox, the first video is a pretty realistic overview of the street prostitution in OKC....


http://www.youtube.com/user/videovigilanteokc#p/u/4/68D_t-3hKow


This second video breaks my heart and is of a young girl (guessing age between 13-15) being pimped out on South Robinson Ave. Before you go thinking this is rare, keep in mind the average age a girl is 'turned out' to prostitution is between the ages of 12-16 - so this girl appears to be the norm.


http://www.youtube.com/user/videovigilanteokc#p/u/7/N_CgQOR-Dhs

Brian, those are bad. But I still support "prostitution" when it is legit and done privately...online...inside an adult club.

Brian, do you sign autographs? You should hold a special OKCTalk event, be a guest speaker, and sign autographs.

Can we tax it and move on? :-P

If that happens, then kids mowing lawns will have to be taxed....garage sales to be taxed....sales on Craigslist to be taxed....poor people on the streets to be taxed on their donations...and the list goes on and on.

My personal opinion is prostitution that is 100% private, consensual and unorganized should be decriminalized (not legalized) and that law enforcement efforts should be focused on the street level and forced prostitution.

As for the original post....


It seems that the prostitution problem in Oklahoma City is getting worse, and expanding to more different parts of the city. Long has S. Robinson been the focal point for prostitution in Oklahoma City, however S. Robinson is no longer the premier track for prostitution Oklahoma City. You now have 10th and McArthur, 122nd and I-35 truck stop, but more astonishing strip clubs.

I actually don't believe the problem is getting measurably worse and I'm on the streets and going through arrest records most every day. As for 'other areas' - those areas you mention are not new. The city has officially recognized 14 areas of active prostitution since about 2000. And the areas you mention are contained within those.

What we are seeing is more 'Internet Prostitutes' working the streets than in years passed. This is due to Oklahoma's enforcement of computer crime laws. If a hooker does her lewd act in your front yard, it is most likely just a misdemeanor. If she does it via the Internet (where nobody is complaining) then it is a felony. To avoid the jail that often comes with felony convictions, many of the more attractive Internet girls are working the streets - which attracts more Johns. In reality, most of the prostitution in OKC does still occur on South Robinson Ave.

As for truck stops - that is where underage girls are often worked since they won't be as likely to run into police. For the most part though the truck stop girls are just Robinson girls who weren't turning enough tricks or have warrants.


The strip club prostitution scene has become a major animal that authorities now can't control.

Prostitution and strip clubs have always had a connection. However, I don't hear or see anything that would lead me to believe it is any worse than it has ever been. I don't concern myself with strip clubs however.


It seems that the OKC authorities are not taking this seriously and in some fashion they are silently decriminalizing prostitution in Oklahoma City as its getting worse, not better.

The reality is that prostitution is a VICE crime and a low priority crime at that. Prostitution is primarily policed by OKC vice or Special Projects. Both are under manned and under funded.

Brian, do you sign autographs? You should hold a special OKCTalk event, be a guest speaker, and sign autographs.

I'd have a bigger turn out if it was a dunking booth.


Can we tax it and move on? :-P

It, like all income is taxed already. When the gov't goes after high end prostitutes it most often isn't a prostitution charge they go after - it is tax evasion. This, even though the women had legal escort agency fronts - they still didn't pay their taxes.

but not complain about people having free sex.

I'm no expert...but I'm not sure pimps are interested in free sex.

Brian, those are bad. But I still support "prostitution" when it is legit and done privately...online...inside an adult club.

I don't 'support' it, but would not openly object to it (if you add consensually and unorganized).

While street prostitution is often the 'face' of prostitution, in reality they make up a small portion of the total number of men and women who do prostitute themselves.

These aren't the kinds of jobs the red staters have in mind.

Valley Brook Police Department on S.E. 59th

It goes:

Baby Dolls - Fancy's - Valley Brook Police Department - Little Darlin's

So what do you want done? For the strip clubs to be banned? Didn't some old man by the name of Bob Anderson, who once led Oklahomans for Children and Families, accomplish that years ago? I'm quite sure he managed to get closed down all the porn shops in Oklahoma City and later claimed rape went down in Oklahoma City as a result.

If that happens, then kids mowing lawns will have to be taxed....garage sales to be taxed....sales on Craigslist to be taxed....poor people on the streets to be taxed on their donations...and the list goes on and on.

Hmmmmmmm, those things are already taxed. Kids mowing a couple of lawns is of no concern (probably doesn't even meet minimum income requirements) but garage sales and online sales have been taxed and even enforced for a while now.

G.Walker - you mentioned police enforcement issues. Below is a photo of a pretty good example of why the problem continues even with a regular police presence.
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8262/picture44o.png

This photo was taken in 2011 - and while I don't for a second think anything lewd was going on - I do think it shows how lax and 'friendly' many of the male officers (in this case a supervisor) get with the more attractive prostitutes. It certainly sends the message to the community that relying on police for enforcement is often a joke.

That said, and in sharp contrast, I also know officers that take a zero tolerance approach and write the prostitutes tickets for any and everything - ranging from littering, j-walking, walking the wrong direction, etc. Most often those pedestrian fines are larger than the ultimate prostitution fine.

In my opinion the DA's office should turn over daily prostitution prosecutions to the city. Treat it like a ticket (an expensive one - $1,200) and save the tax payers the cost and delays of a county prosecution.

Hmmmmmmm, those things are already taxed. Kids mowing a couple of lawns is of no concern (probably doesn't even meet minimum income requirements) but garage sales and online sales have been taxed and even enforced for a while now.

Tell us how is it enforced. :-)

... In my opinion the DA's office should turn over daily prostitution prosecutions to the city. Treat it like a ticket (an expensive one - $1,200) and save the tax payers the cost and delays of a county prosecution.

I assume typical fines and costs and collection rates in OK County, and/or if the county uses DA office supervision of folks in lieu of others supervising those out on deferred sentencing or no-time sentences. Sending all such cases to the city would likely take a pretty penny or three out of the coffers that fund the offices of the OK CO courts, the OK CO court clerk and the da's office. So not likely to happen.

Also, as the proceeds garnered through OK County (and Tulsa CO, and to a degree Cleveland CO) also help fund the court system in the smaller counties, I don't see the folks up on Lincoln avenue ever rearranging current laws for such a shift to happen anytime soon. Few, if any, on the 4tha nd 5th floors at the capitol want to see thecourt system needing more general revenue funds (even if it should receive more)

Tell us how is it enforced. :-)

Its called an audit.

I assume typical fines and costs and collection rates in OK County, and/or if the county uses DA office supervision of folks in lieu of others supervising those out on deferred sentencing or no-time sentences. Sending all such cases to the city would likely take a pretty penny or three out of the coffers that fund the offices of the OK CO courts, the OK CO court clerk and the da's office. So not likely to happen.

Also, as the proceeds garnered through OK County (and Tulsa CO, and to a degree Cleveland CO) also help fund the court system in the smaller counties, I don't see the folks up on Lincoln avenue ever rearranging current laws for such a shift to happen anytime soon. Few, if any, on the 4tha nd 5th floors at the capitol want to see thecourt system needing more general revenue funds (even if it should receive more)

Actually, prostitution cases were almost always prosecuted by OKC until then DA Lane took them away from the city and made them the county's problem in around 2000. The city complained because they averaged around $800 - $1,200 per offense with very few ever going to trial. When the county took it over it became a financial burden. Lane admitted this in a report to the Alliance Against Prostitution but said he would have a greater ability to ensure options for rehabilitation and community service. In reality, though offenders (especially Johns) could be heavily fined and pay court costs and supervision, most offenders get fines of $100 or less, no community service, no supervision and not even John school. Costs are often limited to $500. That doesn't come close to covering the cost of the original arrest and prosecution.

DA Prater has spoken to me twice about the possibility of returning prosecution to the city. I hope to see it happen if this is how this crime is going to be prosecuted.

Not to mention, after lots of money and time is spent with police stings, many offenders are never charged. Again, money wasted. Issuing a city ticket would resolve alot of this (while admittedly not addressing the causes of the problem).

Its called an audit.

Don't make sense. I had a huge garage sale last Spring and i did not tax anyone. I was not taxed. I sell a lot of things on Craigslist and I don't do tax. Feds can't do -censored-. :-)

Don't make sense. I had a huge garage sale last Spring and i did not tax anyone. I was not taxed. I sell a lot of things on Craigslist and I don't do tax. Feds can't do -censored-. :-)

Sorry to burst your bubble Thunder, but, yes, you are supposed to report your total sales and pay tax on your garage sale. Naturally, this isn't enforced very much and is hard to prove. However, a family living near SW 89th that had basically turned their frequent garage sales into their income were audited. The city had warned and even fined them for their illegal sales (more than two and no permits). This was used as evidence against them. I don't however know how this turned out in the end.

When you do your taxes there is a space where you are supposed to list your online purchases and pay sales tax on those too. As for you selling via Craigslist, that is also most definitely subject to taxes and bragging about not paying them will get you on their radar.

Anyone remember the UCO kids who were bragging online about how much they were making throwing parties and charging people to get in? The IRS came at them hard. Anyone hear how that turned out?

When I was younger I worked as a bouncer in a strip club. One of my jobs was to make sure the girls weren't dealing in drugs and sex. I also made sure they didn't get into anyone's car but their own when they left.

I do know that some of the girls sold themselves to men and women but that was done off property and that was their business.

I can tell you that on an average night I had to deal with more of the above issues than throwing some drunk customer out the front door. Well actually we threw them out the backdoor and most of the time we had already called the cops and they picked them up from their.

If this is such a shady and hidden buisness, how did you find out about it? Valley Brook has been known for it's strip clubs for years all the way back in the 70's. My sister was a dancer at the Valley Of The Dolls when she was 16 and everybody knew the cops were getting kickbacks it has also been common practice for them to just pull over people on 59th just to give you a ticket for nothing. The fact that all those strip clubs are there nobody will believe you weren't in one so you are stuck paying whatever ticket they give you. I myself have not driven down that street in many years I know how crooked they are if I need to get to 59th & Sunnylane I will detour to 44th or something depending on where I am at the time.

I wasn't aware that Valley Brook was a REAL police department

Valley Brook has been known for it's strip clubs for years all the way back in the 70's. My sister was a dancer at the Valley Of The Dolls when she was 16 and everybody knew the cops were getting kickbacks it has also been common practice for them to just pull over people on 59th just to give you a ticket for nothing. The fact that all those strip clubs are there nobody will believe you weren't in one so you are stuck paying whatever ticket they give you. I myself have not driven down that street in many years I know how crooked they are if I need to get to 59th & Sunnylane I will detour to 44th or something depending on where I am at the time.

59th and Sunnylane is OKCity
Your thinking of 59 and EASTERN

Say it ain't so y'all. The world's oldest profession thriving right here in Bibleland? How is that possible?

Can't they be prayed away?

Say it ain't so y'all. The world's oldest profession thriving right here in Bibleland? How is that possible?

Can't they be prayed away?

Religion has a strong history involving sex. Catholic have the priests openly molesting boys. Baptist have the pastors secretly molesting boys and have sex with men of all age while publicly cry against such act. Anyone want to fill in the rest?

... Can't they be prayed away?

Life is apparently a cosmic balance. For every prayer someone utters that 'the girls need to go away', there is some tipsey horndawg adding a 'with me' alternate ending to the prayer.

They don't call it the world's oldest profession for no reason. It's always been around and always will be. Get over it.

G.Walker - you mentioned police enforcement issues. Below is a photo of a pretty good example of why the problem continues even with a regular police presence.
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8262/picture44o.png

This photo was taken in 2011 - and while I don't for a second think anything lewd was going on - I do think it shows how lax and 'friendly' many of the male officers (in this case a supervisor) get with the more attractive prostitutes. It certainly sends the message to the community that relying on police for enforcement is often a joke.

That said, and in sharp contrast, I also know officers that take a zero tolerance approach and write the prostitutes tickets for any and everything - ranging from littering, j-walking, walking the wrong direction, etc. Most often those pedestrian fines are larger than the ultimate prostitution fine.

In my opinion the DA's office should turn over daily prostitution prosecutions to the city. Treat it like a ticket (an expensive one - $1,200) and save the tax payers the cost and delays of a county prosecution.

What did you expect the officer to do? Was she breaking the law when he was there? Do you know if he was giving her a warning or are you just assuming what you want to believe?

I heard there is no prostitution in Omaha.

I heard there is no prostitution in Omaha.

LOL I think somebody lied to you

What did you expect the officer to do? Was she breaking the law when he was there? Do you know if he was giving her a warning or are you just assuming what you want to believe?

Try reading my post again. I clearly stated what I saw wrong about this. And yes, I've already received a call from OCPD regarding these photos and they agreed it was not handled properly.

No, he didn't give her a written warning. Though if he wanted he could have written her a pedestrian citation or two.

Try reading my post again. I clearly stated what I saw wrong about this. And yes, I've already received a call from OCPD regarding these photos and they agreed it was not handled properly.

No, he didn't give her a written warning. Though if he wanted he could have written her a pedestrian citation or two.

I guess I don't understand.... if you saw nothing wrong why did you post the pictures? Do you know if he gave her a verbal warning? What pedestrian violation did she do?

I guess I don't understand.... if you saw nothing wrong why did you post the pictures? Do you know if he gave her a verbal warning? What pedestrian violation did she do?

The problem is that this community is victimized by the prostitutes, the pimps, the Johns, the drug dealers and all the other opportunistic criminals these types of crimes, criminals and environment attract. In most cases, the only thing these residents and business owners have to rely on for relief is law enforcement. The public face of law enforcement continues to tell these communities that they do care and they are trying to positively impact these areas with zero tolerance policies, but that they are under staffed, under funded and prostitution is a lower priority crime. Residents are reminded to call 911 whenever they see these prostitutes gathering and openly soliciting and flagging cars. However, as this photo shows, often when the police respond they do nothing to discourage the activity. They often befriend and flirt with the more attractive girls and (as shown in this photo) put themselves in situations that further fan the flames of the residents distrust with police.

I saw plenty wrong in the photos and overall situation above and the police representative that contacted me agreed.

According to the prostitute, she was given a standard FI (Field Interview) and she was ran for warrants. She was then shown her information on the MDT. She said the cop just chatted with her a bit and told her residents had called police about her out prostituting. He then left and she continued to prostitute in the neighborhood.

I was a block away to the North and with the cop and her in the same video frame you could tell she was walking the wrong direction on the side of the road. That was probably the only violation the officer would have witnessed. And yes, some officers who patrol the area will write the girls pedestrian violations for walking the wrong direction, j-walking, littering, not crossing the street at a 90-degree angle, walking around a vehicle incorrectly (can't remember if it was in the front or back - I had never heard of that until I saw the ticket) and flagging moving vehicles. This is not speculation. I have seen the records. Many of these are laws I had no idea existed and probably break every day. However, some officers use it as a deterrent and to make the environment unfriendly for the hookers and pimps. I support that approach and also feel it saves tax payers alot of money.

Do you go out and video tape drug deals going down as well? I just don't see why you're busting the cops balls for not writing her a ticket for walking the wrong way. They got a complaint, he stopped her, did a field interview, ran her for warrants and probably told her to get off the streets and you're assuming she's telling you the truth about what he told her. Guess he should have got out his stun gun and zapped her a few times and run her in for a pedestrian citation.

Im getting tired of my job, so how much does prostitution pay these days, and is there a waiting list to get the hooker license? :love_bed: oh and do we pic our own hooker name or is it given to us by the pimp? ..Seriously though, we will never get rid of protitution , it is actually one if not the oldest professions still going strong in the market!! and you dont have to go to school for it to start rolling in the big bucks, if you learn to trick yourself out correctly...

Life is apparently a cosmic balance. For every prayer someone utters that 'the girls need to go away', there is some tipsey horndawg adding a 'with me' alternate ending to the prayer.

Probably a truer statement than we realize.

Do you go out and video tape drug deals going down as well? I just don't see why you're busting the cops balls for not writing her a ticket for walking the wrong way. They got a complaint, he stopped her, did a field interview, ran her for warrants and probably told her to get off the streets and you're assuming she's telling you the truth about what he told her. Guess he should have got out his stun gun and zapped her a few times and run her in for a pedestrian citation.

I love how you harp on "do you know for sure" and a just the facts attitude, then you apply assertions to me I never made. Where did I bust the cops balls for not writing her a ticket? I simply stated some cops will give them tickets for every minor offense while this supervisor instead buddied up to her.

Yes, I see no reason not to believe her. She didn't make any bizarre account of what happened. Her version is exactly what happens in many occasions - the cop stops them, runs them for warrants, chats a bit and leaves. What's not to believe?

I'm asked to address many public groups, one of the first things I do is remind people of the reality that it's not illegal for a woman to stand on a corner. My only expectation of the cop was not to buddy up with the criminals. Even the OCPD rep admitted it was not good and at the very least the cop compromised his safety.

I'm not out to get the cop and refused to give them the cop's tag or unit number. I also said I had no desire to file a complaint.

It's just another example of the wrong way to discourage criminal activity.

I had several videos online of cops blatantly flirting with hookers and even joking that one pregnant hooker was carrying his child. Two of the cops in those videos opened a dialogue with me and asked me to remove the videos as it was causing them problems. So, I agreed to remove them.

As for drug dealers. Actually several of my videos show me getting drug dealers arrested. As a matter of fact one of my videos showing blatant open drug dealing in South OKC, that led to a historic street drug bust, earned me a journalism EMMY in 2009. The problem is you can't just point a camera at a guy talking to another guy and call it a drug deal.

Mr. Bates, I like the videos you post and the ones that show up on talk shows, it does make okc people see the bad things that go on in okc, maybe thats why certain people complain, they dont like being shown the ugly in their own backyard.

Religion has a strong history involving sex. Catholic have the priests openly molesting boys. Baptist have the pastors secretly molesting boys and have sex with men of all age while publicly cry against such act. Anyone want to fill in the rest?

This is a weird assertion. Yes, it happens. And, yes it's reprehensible. And when it happens it is sensationalist news that is blown up everywhere.

But, to say there is a STRONG history? Really?

Why has no one mentioned the massage parlors? I have not used them, but there are plenty of accounts online about them, and which offer what "services".

What they do in their personal time is their own personal business. What money they spend on is their choice. Honestly, no one can complain. Quite funny how one would complain about people paying for sex, but not complain about people having free sex.

Thunder, this is why sometimes we don't know if you're for real. First, let's bring your background into this. You're a gay dude who's a crazy conservative Republican nutsy cookoo tea partier. OK, whatever floats your boat man. I support equal rights even for those who hurt that cause. And now here you go defended prostitution again and again, because now that you're a log cabineer, you're all about libertarianism...and if it weren't for your whole "schtick" you wouldn't even be in this position of defending prostitution over and over.

So let me just ask you this? Do you not see a difference between personal sexual decisions and walking down a public road soliciting sex to everyone unfortunate enough to drive down? I don't want to see that. We have this idiotic "But what does it do for the children?" debate over and over, and obviously things you oppose like gay children's books aren't going to corrupt the youth, but I do think that it should be safe to go outside without there being hos and pimps everywhere you go. I think that's a basic decency we can afford families and it has nothing to do with personal responsibility.

Even if it were an issue of personal choice for you, in allowing others to do it or yourself to john around or whatever it is that you do, it is NOT a personal choice for the unfortunate young women who get stuck turning tricks. These women have their human rights abused over and over and they would all love to get out of it if they could. Their pimps would kill them if they left. So you don't think that this is an evil system that needs to be stopped?

And you should stop trying to avoid the personal question with your own self. Stop trying to rectify your conservative views and your sexuality. I would suggest coming to terms with the sexuality and dropping some of your conservative dogma that makes people think you haven't seen much of the world. But even if you don't, at least accept it as a contradiction, and that's okay. Nobody will think less of you. You don't have to put yourself on the same level as sex slaves in order to feel justified in calling it a "personal responsibility" issue. You just end up looking more backwards than Borat.

Prostitution is NOT a "personal responsibility" issue. It is a human rights issue. Look at those schmucks at the Valley Brook PD (already mentioned that there's obviously some weird connection)... that's the kind of ridiculous crap that shouldn't be tolerated in any kind of free society.

Thunder, this is why sometimes we don't know if you're for real. First, let's bring your background into this. You're a gay dude who's a crazy conservative Republican nutsy cookoo tea partier. OK, whatever floats your boat man. I support equal rights even for those who hurt that cause. And now here you go defended prostitution again and again, because now that you're a log cabineer, you're all about libertarianism...and if it weren't for your whole "schtick" you wouldn't even be in this position of defending prostitution over and over.

So let me just ask you this? Do you not see a difference between personal sexual decisions and walking down a public road soliciting sex to everyone unfortunate enough to drive down? I don't want to see that. We have this idiotic "But what does it do for the children?" debate over and over, and obviously things you oppose like gay children's books aren't going to corrupt the youth, but I do think that it should be safe to go outside without there being hos and pimps everywhere you go. I think that's a basic decency we can afford families and it has nothing to do with personal responsibility.

Even if it were an issue of personal choice for you, in allowing others to do it or yourself to john around or whatever it is that you do, it is NOT a personal choice for the unfortunate young women who get stuck turning tricks. These women have their human rights abused over and over and they would all love to get out of it if they could. Their pimps would kill them if they left. So you don't think that this is an evil system that needs to be stopped?

And you should stop trying to avoid the personal question with your own self. Stop trying to rectify your conservative views and your sexuality. I would suggest coming to terms with the sexuality and dropping some of your conservative dogma that makes people think you haven't seen much of the world. But even if you don't, at least accept it as a contradiction, and that's okay. Nobody will think less of you. You don't have to put yourself on the same level as sex slaves in order to feel justified in calling it a "personal responsibility" issue. You just end up looking more backwards than Borat.

Prostitution is NOT a "personal responsibility" issue. It is a human rights issue. Look at those schmucks at the Valley Brook PD (already mentioned that there's obviously some weird connection)... that's the kind of ridiculous crap that shouldn't be tolerated in any kind of free society.

I don't understand your post. :-(

I'm not really involved with politics. Only time I like to root for someone is the Governor and President elections.

I had already said that I do not like prostitution on the streets. I was saying that "prostitution" should never be a crime, especially for adults who want to do it privately, such as online and inside clubs. As long the activities is legal, then it should be fine.

No clue why you would bring my sexuality into this...

Im getting tired of my job, so how much does prostitution pay these days, and is there a waiting list to get the hooker license? :love_bed: oh and do we pic our own hooker name or is it given to us by the pimp? ..Seriously though, we will never get rid of protitution , it is actually one if not the oldest professions still going strong in the market!! and you dont have to go to school for it to start rolling in the big bucks, if you learn to trick yourself out correctly...


As to pay, that depends on appearance and drive.
Are you an elite of the elite by appointment for those who survive a rigid screening?
Are you a happy ender hiding in a pretend massage parlor?
Are you a craigslist type indi?
Are you a South Robinson corner maven?
Are you a South Shields maven?

Oh, and before someone asks, no, I have no clue how to break into the field, nor have I any clue on going rates or services.
It's not my kind of rodeo.

Nobody goes into prostitution, they end up in prostitution.

Nobody goes into prostitution, they end up in prostitution.

Tell that to the girls at the Mustang Ranch (Nevada), pulling down thousands a week. It was a choice, and they seem damn happy about it.

I don't understand your post. :-(

I'm not really involved with politics. Only time I like to root for someone is the Governor and President elections.

I had already said that I do not like prostitution on the streets. I was saying that "prostitution" should never be a crime, especially for adults who want to do it privately, such as online and inside clubs. As long the activities is legal, then it should be fine.

No clue why you would bring my sexuality into this...

Because I think you have a warped view of sex (when mommies and daddies love each other very much). I think most of society has a standard which must be upheld. "No sex slaves and human rights violations" doesn't seem too strict to me.

I am just pointing out what everyone on here thinks about you, Thunder...and that is that you can't be for real. You can't really believe the arguments you always try and make.

Tell that to the girls at the Mustang Ranch (Nevada), pulling down thousands a week. It was a choice, and they seem damn happy about it.

Let me guess, you came to this conclusion after watching HBO's Cathouse. Try reading 'Prostitution & Trafficking in Nevada; Making the connections' by Melissa Farley. Unlike an HBO special, the author actually conducted a 2-year research study of legalized brothels in Nevada with extensive interviews with women currently and formerly employed as legal prostitutes. I have other excellent titles too that I have read, but that one is the best in my opinion. There is a side the TV shows never let you see. They don't tell you that virtually every legal brothel requires the ladies to be dropped off (no personal vehicle allowed on the property), so they can't leave. Several of the women reported that they came to Nevada to work temporarily as a prostitute to overcome a financial crisis - only to be introduced into drugs that are prevalent in the brothels and became addicted. Many more report violence from the brothel staff and Johns.

I'm not saying some women don't choose to do it and don't decide that's what they are going to continue to do. That is one reason I personally do not address certain types of prostitution. But, I also do not fool myself with a lack of knowledge on the reality of all prostitution. Too many people are too opinionated without actually knowing anything about the facts.