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G.Walker
02-14-2011, 10:28 AM
I reviewed the Census Bureau website, and they stated that the Oklahoma 2010 census results for towns and cities will be released sometime this week, so we will be able to see official population results for Oklahoma City and surrounding areas. They also have some new features on the website, displaying percentage growth for all counties, pretty interesting, just thought I would start a thread, so it will be open for discussion, once new data is posted!

semisimple
02-14-2011, 01:47 PM
For those who are interested--here's the link to the interactive map (several states already have their data available):

http://2010.census.gov/2010census/data/

You can also download the data in tabular form at (type 'Oklahoma' into geography to get data on places and counties):

http://factfinder2.census.gov/main.html

I'd expect the data to be available at both links on Thursday, based on the previous release dates. Texas and Illinois will also be released with the Oklahoma data.

In this data set, there will be data for official city/county populations. "Official" MSA/CSA data will not come for another few months; however, we can find the 2010 MSA/CSA numbers easily by just adding the county populations.

OKCRT
02-14-2011, 03:12 PM
I will guesstimate 1.3 mil.& change for OKC MSA.

semisimple
02-14-2011, 03:20 PM
Correction: data for Oklahoma will be available tomorrow, around 2 pm CST.

My guesses:

OKC - 574,000
OKC MSA - 1,258,000

dmoor82
02-14-2011, 03:45 PM
My guesses: OKC-576,000 OKC MSA -1,261,000

gen70
02-14-2011, 05:13 PM
I never received anything about the census and nobody ever came by my house.

shane453
02-14-2011, 05:36 PM
Would be awesome if the Oklahoman/NewsOK.com puts together something like this interactive map, which was done for Iowa by the Des Moines register and is a little easier to visualize than Census/American FactFinder data: http://data.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/iowa-census/redistricting-map/

redrunner
02-14-2011, 06:38 PM
My guess:
OKC Metro: One Dollar Bob!

Bunty
02-14-2011, 07:22 PM
I can't wait! I am going to be looking at small town growth % all week. :DI'm sure one of the biggest of the small towns is holding its breath as it waits to see if it goes over 50,000, which is Stillwater, so Oklahoma can have a new metro. It's will be interesting to see if it can actually do it since its 2009 population estimate was just 46,157. I've seen 2010 population estimates from 48,000 to 53,000.

OkieDave
02-14-2011, 08:04 PM
Paul Monies at the Oklahoman is very good with data.

OkieDave
02-14-2011, 08:05 PM
Maybe someone in your house got the survey in the mail and filled it out.

OkieDave
02-14-2011, 08:05 PM
Data will be populated on the census site sometime tomorrow.

G.Walker
02-14-2011, 08:18 PM
Could Stillwater then be included in Oklahoma City CSA? Oklahoma City-Stillwater-Shawnee CSA?

BG918
02-14-2011, 08:40 PM
Could Stillwater then be included in Oklahoma City CSA? Oklahoma City-Stillwater-Shawnee CSA?

Honest question: is Stillwater more connected to Tulsa or OKC? They are about equidistant from each other. The Tulsa MSA/CSA and OKC MSA/CSA both abut Payne County..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Oklahoma_City_Metropolitan_Area_and_Oklahoma_City-Shawnee_CSA.png/200px-Oklahoma_City_Metropolitan_Area_and_Oklahoma_City-Shawnee_CSA.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Tulsa_Metropolitan_Area_and_Tulsa-Bartlesville_CSA.png/250px-Tulsa_Metropolitan_Area_and_Tulsa-Bartlesville_CSA.png

semisimple
02-14-2011, 08:43 PM
Could Stillwater then be included in Oklahoma City CSA? Oklahoma City-Stillwater-Shawnee CSA?

No. It can be included if the Census Bureau re-defines the CSA to include Stillwater, but they could do that anytime--it doesn't have to be over 50,000 population to be added.

G.Walker
02-14-2011, 08:49 PM
Stillwater is about 65 miles from us compared to Tulsa's 75 miles, but if Stillwater reaches over 50,000, that changes a lot of things, because it will be considered a metro area by the census bureau, I wouldn't be surprised if they did include it in our CSA when its released...That would get us close to 1.4M...

semisimple
02-14-2011, 08:50 PM
Honest question: is Stillwater more connected to Tulsa or OKC? They are about equidistant from each other. The Tulsa MSA/CSA and OKC MSA/CSA both abut Payne County..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Oklahoma_City_Metropolitan_Area_and_Oklahoma_City-Shawnee_CSA.png/200px-Oklahoma_City_Metropolitan_Area_and_Oklahoma_City-Shawnee_CSA.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Tulsa_Metropolitan_Area_and_Tulsa-Bartlesville_CSA.png/250px-Tulsa_Metropolitan_Area_and_Tulsa-Bartlesville_CSA.png

Good question. I wonder if commuting patterns could suggest a stronger connection to one or the other.

OKC seems to be growing towards Stillwater more than Tulsa is growing towards Stillwater--maybe in the future, this will sway addition of Payne County to OKC's CSA.

semisimple
02-14-2011, 08:52 PM
Stillwater is about 65 miles from us compared to Tulsa's 75 miles, but if Stillwater reaches over 50,000, that changes a lot of things, because it will be considered a metro area by the census bureau, I wouldn't be surprised if they did include it in our CSA when its released...

I disagree...just because they define a new metro area does not mean they will automatically "fold" it into a larger one.

One thing is for sure--even if by some surprise Payne County was added to OKC's CSA, it will not be in OKC's official 2010 CSA numbers because the MSA/CSA definitions have already been established.

G.Walker
02-14-2011, 08:57 PM
Good point...

BG918
02-14-2011, 09:03 PM
Good question. I wonder if commuting patterns could suggest a stronger connection to one or the other.

OKC seems to be growing towards Stillwater more than Tulsa is growing towards Stillwater--maybe in the future, this will sway addition of Payne County to OKC's CSA.

That is true, the west side of Tulsa is not growing very fast and doesn't have any large cities. Sand Springs has around 20,000 people and Mannford and the Lake Keystone communities are around 5,000. Downtown Stillwater to downtown Tulsa is 63 miles via US 51 but it's faster to take the Cimarron Turnpike (US 412) which is 70 miles per Google Maps and you avoid driving through Mannford and Yale. Downtown Stillwater to downtown OKC is 66 miles per Google Maps via I-35/US 51. It could really go either way but Edmond/Guthrie are slowly growing towards Stillwater. I'm surprised Muskogee County is not included in Tulsa's CSA. Muskogee to Tulsa is the same distance as Tulsa-Bartlesville which is included. That would add 74,000 to the CSA. Whichever CSA gets Payne County would add almost 90,000.

Larry OKC
02-14-2011, 09:55 PM
I never received anything about the census and nobody ever came by my house.

Do you have a mailing address? Supposedly the forms were sent to every one of them (maybe your postal carrier didn't want to lug around the extra weight and ditched it someplace). I got multiples.

Bunty
02-15-2011, 02:08 PM
Honest question: is Stillwater more connected to Tulsa or OKC? They are about equidistant from each other. The Tulsa MSA/CSA and OKC MSA/CSA both abut Payne County..
There is little commuting to jobs between Stillwater, Oklahoma City and Tulsa, because city-data.com says 85% of the people in Stillwater who work also live there. Stillwater is much more connected to Oklahoma City than Tulsa for electronic media while OSU seems more connected to Tulsa as reflected by the fact it offers bus service for students from Tulsa.

plmccordj
02-15-2011, 02:23 PM
I was reading on the census page that released today that Oklahoma City's population grew to 579,999 in the 2010 census. The Metro areas were not included in this release. The link is located here...

http://2010.census.gov/news/releases/operations/cb11-cn33.html

Pete
02-15-2011, 02:27 PM
That's a 14.6% increase since 2000 (506,132).


From 1990 to 2000, the increase was 15.3%.

G.Walker
02-15-2011, 02:27 PM
Seriously, they couldn't add +1 to give us an even 580,000 LOL....but that was from 2010...9 months ago, so its prob well over 580,000

dcsooner
02-15-2011, 02:33 PM
I was reading on the census page that released today that Oklahoma City's population grew to 579,999 in the 2010 census. The Metro areas were not included in this release. The link is located here...

http://2010.census.gov/news/releases/operations/cb11-cn33.html

Continued SLOW growth for Oklahoma and it two larger cities

shane453
02-15-2011, 02:35 PM
Census will take a bit to put data into their new FactFinder system, but I'm looking in the FTP server to see if I can sort out city populations.

See the Census map here: http://2010.census.gov/2010census/data/

Oklahoma 718,633
Cleveland 255,755
Canadian 115,541
Grady 52,431
Logan 41,848
McClain 34,506
Lincoln 34,273
MSA TOTAL 1,252,987

Pottawattomie 69,442
CSA TOTAL 1,322,429

dmoor82
02-15-2011, 02:40 PM
about 1.1 million in just 3 counties alone,and just under 1 million for OK and Cleveland counties alone!

Pete
02-15-2011, 02:45 PM
The MSA numbers represent a 15.6% increase over the 2000 census.

dcsooner
02-15-2011, 02:48 PM
No matter how you spin it Oklahoma continues to realize tepid growth. Looking at being passed by a couple other states in the next ten years, already passed by Oregon. Both Cities:) are growing slower than other cities in our population range, will we even be a top 50 city in this or the next census?What's up Oklahoma??????

semisimple
02-15-2011, 02:53 PM
Wow, it's official...Tulsa proper lost population over the decade.

2000: 393,049
2010: 391,906

Tulsa MSA:

2010: 937,478
2000: 859,532

change 2000-10 = 77,946

G.Walker
02-15-2011, 02:54 PM
Moore was the fastest growing city in the metro at 33.9%, interesting! Moore passed Enid and Midwest City to #7 largest city in state!

Pete
02-15-2011, 02:55 PM
That's only a 9% increase for the Tulsa MSA.

Might even be under the overall national rate.

semisimple
02-15-2011, 02:59 PM
On a separate note, the city of Chicago declined to 2,695,598 from 2,896,016 in 2000; in 2009 Houston was estimated to be around 2,257,926, up from 1,953,631 in 2000.

We might see Houston overtake Chicago as the third largest city in the country by 2020 if current trends hold...

Jesseda
02-15-2011, 03:28 PM
how did you find out moores population?

Bunty
02-15-2011, 03:31 PM
Moore was the fastest growing city in the metro at 33.9%, interesting! Moore passed Enid and Midwest City to #7 largest city in state!
Wow, the tornadoes didn't make people thick twice about living in Moore.

plmccordj
02-15-2011, 03:33 PM
On the same page there is a link to an Excel spreadsheet showing Moore and other cities. Here is the link...

http://2010.census.gov/news/xls/cb11cn33_ok_2010redistr.xls

BG918
02-15-2011, 03:35 PM
Wow, it's official...Tulsa proper lost population over the decade.

2000: 393,049
2010: 391,906

Tulsa MSA:

2010: 937,478
2000: 859,532

change 2000-10 = 77,946

The estimate was 389,000 so better than many thought. Tulsa was hit hard by job losses from 2003-2005 and has been recovering ever since. Also most of the growth in the metro has been in Bixby and Broken Arrow, areas adjacent to Tulsa where the city limits end. Tulsa wasn't able to capture that growth like it did in the 90's before it went past the city limits.

I predict both metros will do much better growth-wise this decade.

G.Walker
02-15-2011, 03:38 PM
No matter how you spin it Oklahoma continues to realize tepid growth. Looking at being passed by a couple other states in the next ten years, already passed by Oregon. Both Cities:) are growing slower than other cities in our population range, will we even be a top 50 city in this or the next census?What's up Oklahoma??????

According to July 1, 2009, Oklahoma City had a population of 560,000...so that is 20,000 people in 1 year, pretty damn good if you ask me, 2000-2005 was slower for OKC, but we have seen tremendous growth in the last few years, if we continue this trend...we will be in good shape, so don't hold your breath on your statement. We could easily tip 600,000 by 2012...

okclee
02-15-2011, 03:43 PM
Suburbs Rule!

So do the Latinos!!

Bunty
02-15-2011, 03:49 PM
The count for Stillwater is 45,688, so not even close to 50,000.

earlywinegareth
02-15-2011, 04:23 PM
Lawton/Fort Sill fell another notch to 5th. Those folks once held their heads high being the state's 3rd largest city...times change.

dmoor82
02-15-2011, 04:27 PM
According to July 1, 2009, Oklahoma City had a population of 560,000...so that is 20,000 people in 1 year, pretty damn good if you ask me, 2000-2005 was slower for OKC, but we have seen tremendous growth in the last few years, if we continue this trend...we will be in good shape, so don't hold your breath on your statement. We could easily tip 600,000 by 2012...

So if OKC held that growth untill the 2020 census it would have over 760k?That's DAMN good,The last two years before The 2010 census showed what OKC is in store for!

G.Walker
02-15-2011, 04:32 PM
I doubt we hold 20,000 people/yr...I would take half that at 10,000 people/year, would put us close to 700,000 in 10 years...

dmoor82
02-15-2011, 04:41 PM
^^Still,not bad for OKC!What would you guess The OKC MSA or CSA would be in 10 years?

semisimple
02-15-2011, 04:41 PM
According to July 1, 2009, Oklahoma City had a population of 560,000...so that is 20,000 people in 1 year, pretty damn good if you ask me, 2000-2005 was slower for OKC, but we have seen tremendous growth in the last few years, if we continue this trend...we will be in good shape, so don't hold your breath on your statement. We could easily tip 600,000 by 2012...

This is a very dubious conclusion based on this data.

The difference between successive estimates, e.g., 2008 and 2009, is meaningful.

However, the change between a 2009 estimate and an official count in 2010 is not necessarily indicative of a major uptick in the growth trend. If anything, it suggests the Census Bureau underestimated OKC's population consistently over the decade. Indeed, if you look at historical records, you will often see uncharacteristically large "jumps" in the data between official population counts and annual estimates.

dmoor82
02-15-2011, 04:43 PM
I'm intrested in seeing what Austin,Raleigh,Charlotte all have!Maybe Austin will be over 800k?

Edge
02-15-2011, 04:46 PM
USA Today Story: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/census/2011-02-15-oklahoma-census_N.htm

semisimple
02-15-2011, 04:48 PM
I'm intrested in seeing what Austin,Raleigh,Charlotte all have!Maybe Austin will be over 800k?

Should be interesting to see how some of OKC's "peer" cities do, yes. Here is some data for a few cities/metros of similar size:

New Orleans
2000: 484,674
2010: 343,829

NO MSA:
2000: 1,316,510
2010: 1,167,764

Indianapolis:
2000: 781,926
2010: 829,718

Indy MSA:
2000: 1,525,104
2010: 1,756,241

Norfolk-Virginia Beach MSA:
2000: 1,576,370
2010: 1,672,319

dmoor82
02-15-2011, 04:51 PM
Nice find Edge! 330,000 Latinos in Oklahoma and probably more than 1/3rd of that population lives in S. OKC!Asian population making strides also!

dmoor82
02-15-2011, 04:54 PM
Should be interesting to see how some of OKC's "peer" cities do, yes. Here is some data for a few cities/metros of similar size:

New Orleans
2000: 484,674
2010: 343,829

NO MSA:
2000: 1,316,510
2010: 1,167,764

Indianapolis:
2000: 781,926
2010: 829,718

Indy MSA:
2000: 1,525,104
2010: 1,756,241

Norfolk-Virginia Beach MSA:
2000: 1,576,370
2010: 1,672,319
Thanks for posting!I really want to see how some of Americas fastest growing cities did like the ones I metioned!When do the TX and NC figures come out?

semisimple
02-15-2011, 06:10 PM
Thanks for posting!I really want to see how some of Americas fastest growing cities did like the ones I metioned!When do the TX and NC figures come out?

TX should be out sometime this week...no word yet on NC...

dmoor82
02-15-2011, 06:24 PM
check out table four in this link for diversity numbers for counties and city's! http://2010.census.gov/news/xls/cb11cn33_ok_2010redistr.xls

semisimple
02-15-2011, 07:08 PM
check out table four in this link for diversity numbers for counties and city's! http://2010.census.gov/news/xls/cb11cn33_ok_2010redistr.xls

Nice find...so OKC's demographics break down as follows:

62.7% White (including Hispanic)
3.5% American Indian
15.1% African American
4.0% Asian
17.2% Hispanic or Latino

Pretty much confirms the estimates--the Hispanic share of OKC's population went up significantly (it was 10.1% in 2000).

Also, in terms of raw numbers, Hispanics were the largest contributor to the growth of OKC proper and the MSA's growth from 2000 to 2010.

dmoor82
02-15-2011, 07:15 PM
^I'm willing to bet an overwhelming majority of those Hispanics live on The South side,and more than a third of all of Oklahoma's Hispanics live in OKC as well!I never thought Hispanics would overtake African Americans that quick! I also never thought so many Asians lived in OKC also! BTW I just want to apologize for my typing skills and grammar,they both are horrible!

dcsooner
02-15-2011, 07:15 PM
African Americans dropped as a percentage of the States total. As an African American a disappoointing trend. I got my opinions on why, but I won't stir the pot

lasomeday
02-15-2011, 08:29 PM
dcsooner read the USATODAY article posted earlier. It will show if your hypothesis is correct.

OKCRT
02-15-2011, 08:32 PM
African Americans dropped as a percentage of the States total. As an African American a disappoointing trend. I got my opinions on why, but I won't stir the pot

The reason the % of African Americans dropped is because of the Latino pop going up so much. I think that the % of every race dropped except for Latino and Asian. We do need more African Americans in OKC as far as I am concerned. We need more of all races in fact.I wouldn't read too much in to % numbers though.

shane453
02-15-2011, 08:49 PM
I am not seeing the data for the smaller towns yet. Anyone else?

Sid, I was able to find all the towns/places by using the New Fact Finder but it was not very simple to do. Not sure if this link is permanent, but if so it should link to the table of Oklahoma towns. http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=DEC_10_PL_GCTPL2.ST13&prodType=table

If not, here are the top 100 in a sort of poor format pasted from Excel

1 Oklahoma City city 579,999
2 Tulsa city 391,906
3 Norman city 110,925
4 Broken Arrow city 98,850
5 Lawton city 96,867
6 Edmond city 81,405
7 Moore city 55,081
8 Midwest City city 54,371
9 Enid city 49,379
10 Stillwater city 45,688
11 Muskogee city 39,223
12 Bartlesville city 35,750
13 Shawnee city 29,857
14 Owasso city 28,915
15 Ponca City city 25,387
16 Ardmore city 24,283
17 Duncan city 23,431
18 Yukon city 22,709
19 Del City city 21,332
20 Bixby city 20,884
21 Sapulpa city 20,544
22 Altus city 19,813
23 Bethany city 19,051
24 Sand Springs city 18,906
25 Claremore city 18,581
26 McAlester city 18,383
27 Mustang city 17,395
28 Jenks city 16,924
29 Ada city 16,810
30 El Reno city 16,749
31 Chickasha city 16,036
32 Durant city 15,856
33 Tahlequah city 15,753
34 Miami city 13,570
35 Okmulgee city 12,321
36 Woodward city 12,051
37 Elk City city 11,693
38 Guymon city 11,442
39 Choctaw city 11,146
40 Weatherford city 10,833
41 Glenpool city 10,808
42 Guthrie city 10,191
43 Warr Acres city 10,043
44 Coweta city 9,943
45 Pryor Creek city 9,539
46 Clinton city 9,033
47 The Village city 8,929
48 Sallisaw city 8,880
49 Poteau city 8,520
50 Wagoner city 8,323
51 Cushing city 7,826
52 Newcastle city 7,685
53 Blanchard city 7,670
54 Seminole city 7,488
55 Skiatook town 7,397
56 Catoosa city 7,151
57 Blackwell city 7,092
58 Idabel city 7,010
59 Anadarko city 6,762
60 Grove city 6,623
61 Noble city 6,481
62 Tecumseh city 6,457
63 Pauls Valley city 6,187
64 Tuttle city 6,019
65 Henryetta city 5,927
66 Purcell city 5,884
67 Holdenville city 5,771
68 Vinita city 5,743
69 Piedmont city 5,720
70 Collinsville city 5,606
71 Hugo city 5,310
72 Perry city 5,126
73 Watonga city 5,111
74 Harrah city 5,095
75 Lone Grove city 5,054
76 Alva city 4,945
77 Sulphur city 4,929
78 Marlow city 4,662
79 Kingfisher city 4,633
80 Sayre city 4,375
81 Bristow city 4,222
82 Fort Gibson town 4,154
83 Slaughterville town 4,137
84 Broken Bow city 4,120
85 Pocola town 4,056
86 McLoud town 4,044
87 Verdigris town 3,993
88 Stilwell city 3,949
89 Frederick city 3,940
90 Spencer city 3,912
91 Park Hill CDP 3,909
92 Madill city 3,770
93 Hobart city 3,756
94 Nowata city 3,731
95 Nichols Hills city 3,710
96 Pawhuska city 3,584
97 Hominy city 3,565
98 Muldrow town 3,466
99 Dewey city 3,432
100 Wewoka city 3,430

Oil Capital
02-15-2011, 08:54 PM
The estimate was 389,000 so better than many thought.



That 389,000 estimate (actually 389,625) was for 2009. So, no, 391,906 in 2010 is not better than anyone thought.