that killed her 3 young children...Her story said she told them to stay in the motor home while she went outside to get water....know this is horrific but that sounds like meth thinking to me

http://m.newsok.com/s?s=16&a=3534435&f=news

Meth is the curse of Oklahoma...a real tragedy and needs to be dealt with by draconian law enforcement and ferocious sentences.

I have heard people (and done so myself) defend the recreational use of marijuana and psychedelics, but I've never heard anyone defending meth use. I'm glad I never tried it, and pity the families whose loved ones are ruled by it.

I have heard people (and done so myself) defend the recreational use of marijuana and psychedelics, but I've never heard anyone defending meth use. I'm glad I never tried it, and pity the families whose loved ones are ruled by it.

You are quite right. It is just not a choice for fun or kicks...who cares who smokes pot and eats themselves to death. But--meth...is a cousin to angel dust...just a ridiculous idiot substance that increases heart rate. It kills...and the danger for children is mind-boggling--that is why I would support horrific penalties and life in prison for manufacture. Life. Complete removal from society.

Meth never crossed my mind the first time I heard the 911 tape segment played on the news.

My initial reaction was sadness, followed rather quickly by anger and speculating to my lovely it
probably wouldn't be long before charges would be lodged against the momma, at a minimum.

I've been wishing I would end up feeling bad for being so bleepin' cynical. Oh well.

I have heard people (and done so myself) defend the recreational use of marijuana and psychedelics, but I've never heard anyone defending meth use. I'm glad I never tried it, and pity the families whose loved ones are ruled by it.

Bunty went out on a limb about legalizing meth, once, but no one else I've ever heard has. It's awful. This is such a sad story.

Started hearing rumors about this possibility, the day after the fire, from a neighbor to these people. Sad to see that it might be true. As someone who has watched an extended family member completely trash their family and life over meth, I have to say that all drugs aren't created equal. Meth leaves nothing but destruction in it's wake and deserves some special penalties.

Started hearing rumors about this possibility, the day after the fire, from a neighbor to these people. Sad to see that it might be true. As someone who has watched an extended family member completely trash their family and life over meth, I have to say that all drugs aren't created equal. Meth leaves nothing but destruction in it's wake and deserves some special penalties.

The only good thing about meth is you can spot the users at about twenty paces or less...

Meth is the curse of Oklahoma...a real tragedy and needs to be dealt with by draconian law enforcement and ferocious sentences.

Taxes will have to go way up to accomplish that.

I have heard people (and done so myself) defend the recreational use of marijuana and psychedelics, but I've never heard anyone defending meth use. I'm glad I never tried it, and pity the families whose loved ones are ruled by it.

Bunty? Bunty?? Seems I recall him saying we should just allow all drugs to be legalized......correct me if I'm wrong.

Taxes will have to go way up to accomplish that.

I doubt it--pass the laws and watch them flee this state in no time...

I doubt it--pass the laws and watch them flee this state in no time...

They don't have the means and they don't have the sense to do it.

Keep in mind that prolonged meth use triggers mental illness such as schizophrenia. We're not talking about folks with rational reactions to market forces.

If true, she should face three murder charges !!

I doubt it--pass the laws and watch them flee this state in no time...

Yeah, our strict laws on drugs that have our prisons filled to capacity and then some have done a lot so far.

Meth heads don't care.

Just heard the mom locked the kids inside and both parents tested positive for meth

Wow

Yeah, our strict laws on drugs that have our prisons filled to capacity and then some have done a lot so far.

Meth heads don't care.

I agree and there's no easy answers. The addicts need help and the suppliers need years in prison at hard labor. If the users that are in prison now don't get help while in there they will just start over when they are free, that's the nature of the addict. I would rather spend a few million treating them now than several millions cleaning up after them. Unfortunately many states jump over dollars to save dimes.

The way I understand the situation, a space heater caused the fire. So, the parents can not be charged for their death. It can't be child neglect in this situation. Things just happen and nothing we can really do about it.

The way I understand the situation, a space heater caused the fire. So, the parents can not be charged for their death. It can't be child neglect in this situation. Things just happen and nothing we can really do about it.

Accidents happen but once they do, people are still accountable for their actions during the aftermath. Sad case. I can't imagine living with what she must have to live with.

Bunty? Bunty?? Seems I recall him saying we should just allow all drugs to be legalized......correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes, but in practical terms, hoping for all that any time soon is too big of a reach. It's going to be difficult enough to get marijuana legalized within our life times. But it's remarkable that one of the leading groups who stand for legalizing drugs is called Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.

Meth is the curse of Oklahoma...a real tragedy and needs to be dealt with by draconian law enforcement and ferocious sentences.

As bad as meth tends to be, it's a shame so little public or private policy is being done to discourage its use. Have very many new meth users seen how rough, old and down right ugly meth addicts tend to look in the face and know it can ruin teeth?

Prisoners who get out of prison say drugs are about easy to get in there as on the outside, so like I said, something needs to be done that actually works to discourage people on the outside from using meth in the first place. Imprisoning our way out of drugs won't work. The government would go bankrupt first.

As bad as meth tends to be, it's a shame so little public or private policy is being done to discourage its use. Have very many new meth users seen how rough, old and down right ugly meth addicts tend to look in the face and know it can ruin teeth?

Prisoners who get out of prison say drugs are about easy to get in there as on the outside, so like I said, something needs to be done that actually works to discourage people on the outside from using meth in the first place. Imprisoning our way out of drugs won't work. The government would go bankrupt first.

I think PSA's directed at adults are fairly useless. The person who'd even give meth a try probably isn't real concerned about oral hygiene or personal appearances. Meth use (like so many other social ills, is often - but certainly not always - passed down from parents to children). I'd like to see more in schools teaching our younger generations about the dangers of meth and other substances.

But, I'm sure a solution is on the horizon - Since former DA Wes Lane was handed his hat and left the DA's office and mommy hired him at the Burbridge Foundation - they have realized their anti-porn efforts were falling on deaf ears, so the flavor of the day for them is now Meth.

The way I understand the situation, a space heater caused the fire. So, the parents can not be charged for their death. It can't be child neglect in this situation. Things just happen and nothing we can really do about it.

Not correct. According to the probably cause affidavit, the parents locked the children inside the RV from a lock on the exterior of the vehicle. This kept the children from being able to escape and hampered rescue attempts. That fact coupled with the drug use at the time makes it a pretty open and shut case for child neglect IMO.

The way I understand the situation, a space heater caused the fire. So, the parents can not be charged for their death. It can't be child neglect in this situation. Things just happen and nothing we can really do about it.

A space heater may have caused the fire. Allegedly, she locked the door from the outside, preventing the kids from getting out. I have a 4 year old and 10 month old and I do NOT leave them alone in the house even for a second. So I can only speculate that she left them in there for more than a few seconds.

I guess the lady practiced good parenting. I know its not a crime to leave kids at home alone. Keeping the door locked to make sure they do not exit is something I see nothing wrong with that. She don't want her kids getting out and who knows what would happen...hit by a car...kidnapped...the list goes on and on. The kids should have broken the windows to get out.

Altho, I do agree it was a poor decision to be doing meth/drug during the time, but that is still not the cause of death. Some sort of neglect, yeah, but she can only be punished to that extent.

The way I understand the situation, a space heater caused the fire. So, the parents can not be charged for their death. It can't be child neglect in this situation. Things just happen and nothing we can really do about it.

Do you think before you type? my God.

I guess the lady practiced good parenting. I know its not a crime to leave kids at home alone. Keeping the door locked to make sure they do not exit is something I see nothing wrong with that. She don't want her kids getting out and who knows what would happen...hit by a car...kidnapped...the list goes on and on. The kids should have broken the windows to get out.

Altho, I do agree it was a poor decision to be doing meth/drug during the time, but that is still not the cause of death. Some sort of neglect, yeah, but she can only be punished to that extent.

You can't be serious! Her kids were 4, 3, and 1 (or something like that the oldest was 4). Now I did just move here and am not very familiar with Oklahoma law where this is concerned but I would think leaving children that age home alone is NOT ok. I would not lock my kids in the house for any reason, especially with a space heater on. I really doubt a four year old would think to break a window to escape a fire. They were probably scared out of their mind and probably couldn't reach the window. :(

You can't be serious! Her kids were 4, 3, and 1 (or something like that the oldest was 4). Now I did just move here and am not very familiar with Oklahoma law where this is concerned but I would think leaving children that age home alone is NOT ok. I would not lock my kids in the house for any reason, especially with a space heater on. I really doubt a four year old would think to break a window to escape a fire. They were probably scared out of their mind and probably couldn't reach the window. :(

What she did was outrageous. This has nothing to do with Oklahoma law and everything to do with insane parenting. Awful, awful.

What she did was outrageous. This has nothing to do with Oklahoma law and everything to do with insane parenting. Awful, awful.

Oh no, I wasn't trying to say it was. I was trying to make a point to Thunder that is probably IS illegal to leave kids that age alone. And that is neither here nor there, you are correct it is craptastic parenting.

I guess the lady practiced good parenting. I know its not a crime to leave kids at home alone. Keeping the door locked to make sure they do not exit is something I see nothing wrong with that. She don't want her kids getting out and who knows what would happen...hit by a car...kidnapped...the list goes on and on. The kids should have broken the windows to get out.

Altho, I do agree it was a poor decision to be doing meth/drug during the time, but that is still not the cause of death. Some sort of neglect, yeah, but she can only be punished to that extent.

Last time I checked there were only a few states that had specific laws making it a crime to leave children home alone (and Oklahoma was not one of them). Most states do however recognize some basic guidelines. However, that in no way stops a state from prosecuting the parent(s) because the children were left in unsafe conditions. I've had authorities intervene several times when drug addict prostitute moms would leave their kids (sometimes infants) alone in a hotel room while the mother prostituted blocks away for hours on end. Neglect can be defined however the state wants to define it if they think a reasonable jury will agree - Again, this is a slam dunk: 3 dead kids ages 1-4 and two parents who had to abandon their main residence to live in a broken down RV because of their meth habit that then led them to lock their kids in the RV with an old coil type space heater on.

Do you think before you type? my God.

My thoughts exactly.

I forgot their age and figured there was an oldest that would know what to do.

But, just saying, they can only be charged with neglect, not the death.

I forgot their age and figured there was an oldest that would know what to do.

But, just saying, they can only be charged with neglect, not the death.

Neglect resulting in the death.

That is at least manslaughter, I would imagine.

That is at least manslaughter, I would imagine.

At the bare minimum.

Oh no, I wasn't trying to say it was. I was trying to make a point to Thunder that is probably IS illegal to leave kids that age alone. And that is neither here nor there, you are correct it is craptastic parenting.

Oh, sorry. I completely got what you were saying. My disgust with the parenting, or whatever you want to call it, was where my mind was when I typed.

Just read in the Oklahoman that prosecutors allege the couple tore through memorial donations including buying a 20k truck the day after the funeral

I don't believe they are up for parents of the year anymore

I just saw that she is pregnant. Mother of year, indeed! :omg:

I forgot their age and figured there was an oldest that would know what to do.

But, just saying, they can only be charged with neglect, not the death.

Manslaughter in the second degree only requires culpable negligence, which based on what we've been told, there's loads of in this case.