View Full Version : Funeral procession rules/laws?



TheTravellers
01-20-2011, 03:09 PM
Was driving on Hefner eastbound north of the lake a couple of days ago, and a funeral procession was going westbound, led by 2 motorcycle cops with their lights on. Everybody on our side of the road pulled over, so I did too. Having investigated a bit, I don't think that's a law. Yes, it respects the dead, I guess, but from what I can see, it's not an OKC law nor an OK statute that requires that traffic on the other side of a road pull over for a funeral. Anybody know any different?

OKCTalker
01-20-2011, 03:50 PM
I'd add safety for the motorcycle officers - I know a few and they tell me that they're pushing 100 mph as they go from back of the procession to the front in order to stop traffic at intersections.

skyrick
01-20-2011, 04:03 PM
I'd add safety for the motorcycle officers - I know a few and they tell me that they're pushing 100 mph as they go from back of the procession to the front in order to stop traffic at intersections.

Wow! In Texas the law enforcement agencies try to limit officers' speed during pursuit, preferring to use aerial observance and blockage of prospective escape avenues. Your guys do 100 in a funeral?!

TheTravellers
01-20-2011, 04:21 PM
I'd add safety for the motorcycle officers - I know a few and they tell me that they're pushing 100 mph as they go from back of the procession to the front in order to stop traffic at intersections.

Yeah, OK, maybe, but this was on a 4-lane road, 2 cops and they were at the front, didn't appear to be doing that particular routine, just leading the procession, and they had just gone past an intersection and I didn't see them stopping traffic (light was with them, though, instead of against them, so no need to stop perpendicular traffic). Maybe one of them was stopping traffic at intersections elsewhere along the procession, but it was just moving along normally when I saw it.

rcjunkie
01-20-2011, 04:48 PM
No state law, just manners and respect !

Dustin
01-20-2011, 05:03 PM
Was driving on Hefner eastbound north of the lake a couple of days ago, and a funeral procession was going westbound, led by 2 motorcycle cops with their lights on. Everybody on our side of the road pulled over, so I did too. Having investigated a bit, I don't think that's a law. Yes, it respects the dead, I guess, but from what I can see, it's not an OKC law nor an OK statute that requires that traffic on the other side of a road pull over for a funeral. Anybody know any different?

Wow.. I was there also. I slowed down at first and just started poking along until I saw everyone else had stopped and pulled to the side. I had never been in that situation before. Now we know! Lol.

Easy180
01-20-2011, 05:56 PM
No state law, just manners and respect !

This is my understanding as well

kevinpate
01-20-2011, 08:17 PM
No specific funeral procession law in Oklahoma, but one is required to yield to ongoing lights a going emergency/leo vehicles, including cycle officers.
While it seems likely there is something in writing for each entity, I don't know which, if any, area cities have specific ordinances on requesting/paying for law enforcement escorts for a procession.

oneforone
01-20-2011, 09:05 PM
I think the funeral home pays the officers for those services just like banks, malls, hospitals and other places. It is likely included in the price of the services. I know the average OCPD officer makes at least $25 an hour on any given post.

As far as the law is concerned, I think it is just a common courtesy. The only time I have ever heard of someone getting a ticket is when they joined in the procession. This happened to a buddy of mine. It should be noted he has a mouth on him that tends get him in hot water so I am sure the ticket had more to do with his attitude then actual offense itself.

rcjunkie
01-21-2011, 04:06 AM
When my mother passed in 07, we had her funeral in Moore Ok, the cost for police escort was itemized on the invoice. It was $175.00 for two motorcycle escorts. (church was about 7 miles from final resting place)

BBatesokc
01-21-2011, 07:38 AM
I did find this Oklahoma municipal code regarding funeral processions (not about pulling over, but pulling through would be a no-no):

"No driver of a vehicle shall drive between the vehicles comprising a funeral or other authorized procession while they are in motion and when such vehicles are conspicuously designated as required in this article. This provision shall not apply at intersections where traffic is controlled by traffic control signals or Police Officers."

LakeEffect
01-21-2011, 08:14 AM
I did find this Oklahoma municipal code regarding funeral processions (not about pulling over, but pulling through would be a no-no):

"No driver of a vehicle shall drive between the vehicles comprising a funeral or other authorized procession while they are in motion and when such vehicles are conspicuously designated as required in this article. This provision shall not apply at intersections where traffic is controlled by traffic control signals or Police Officers."

Very interesting. What does the code say about the "conspicuously designated" requirement? In Michigan, every car in the procession must drive with headlights on and must also carry a small orange flag with a black cross (or other religiously appropriate symbol, I suppose). In Oklahoma, I always have a hard time telling who exactly is in the procession...

Kerry
01-21-2011, 09:02 AM
This is the only thing the Oklahoma drivers manual says about funerals.

http://www.dps.state.ok.us/dls/pub/ODM.pdf


If you are traveling in a caravan or motorcade (such as a funeral procession)
outside of a business or residential area, leave at least 200 feet between each
vehicle so other cars or trucks can enter the line safely.

BBatesokc
01-21-2011, 09:14 AM
Very interesting. What does the code say about the "conspicuously designated" requirement? In Michigan, every car in the procession must drive with headlights on and must also carry a small orange flag with a black cross (or other religiously appropriate symbol, I suppose). In Oklahoma, I always have a hard time telling who exactly is in the procession...

"
Each driver in a funeral or other procession shall drive as near to the righthand edge of the roadway as practical and shall follow the vehicle ahead as close as is practical and safe.
(b)
A funeral composed of a procession of vehicles shall be identified as such by the display upon the outside of each vehicle such of identifying insignia as may be determined and designated by the Police Department."

Kerry
01-21-2011, 09:18 AM
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Each driver in a funeral or other procession shall drive as near to the righthand edge of the roadway as practical and shall follow the vehicle ahead as close as is practical and safe.
(b)
A funeral composed of a procession of vehicles shall be identified as such by the display upon the outside of each vehicle such of identifying insignia as may be determined and designated by the Police Department."

I guess that prevents an enterprising individual from pulling in behind the procession, turning on his lights, and then making every traffic light.

BBatesokc
01-21-2011, 09:26 AM
I guess that prevents an enterprising individual from pulling in behind the procession, turning on his lights, and then making every traffic light.

I've personally never seen the cars in a procession marked in any way.

kevinpate
01-21-2011, 09:27 AM
I guess that prevents an enterprising individual from pulling in behind the procession, turning on his lights, and then making every traffic light.

Not necessarily. Often, 'lights on' is the only designation.

I've driven myself and others in more processions than I care to reflect upon, and regret that I see several more on a too near horizon.
In processions to date, I've never had a flag, streamer, etc., when driving a personal vehicle, just 'lights on'.
I've had folks end up in front of or behind me more often than not who weren't there to begin with.

Only exception that comes to mind to folks adding on is when I've been in a family car. I suppose line cutters can't work their way up that far when starting from the back, and even total jerks appear to draw the line at sliding between the hearse and the family cars.

Of Sound Mind
01-21-2011, 09:34 AM
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Each driver in a funeral or other procession shall drive as near to the righthand edge of the roadway as practical and shall follow the vehicle ahead as close as is practical and safe.
(b)
A funeral composed of a procession of vehicles shall be identified as such by the display upon the outside of each vehicle such of identifying insignia as may be determined and designated by the Police Department."

Interestingly enough, having just gone through a funeral of a family member, there was no "identifying insignia" on anyone's vehicle in the procession.

Also, regarding the comments about pulling over out of respect, it can be very moving for family members and friends driving in the procession to see people along the way pulling over. It actually can bring comfort in such a difficult time.

kevinpate
01-21-2011, 09:41 AM
... regarding the comments about pulling over out of respect, it can be very moving for family members and friends driving in the procession to see people along the way pulling over. It actually can bring comfort in such a difficult time.

It does indeed.

OKCisOK4me
01-21-2011, 11:33 AM
RESPECT... Plain and simple. If I were part of that procession, especially immediate family and cars were just passing as if nothing was happening, I would be furious (of course, I wouldn't be able to do anything, just saying). You can pause for a brief moment for the grief of others. It's a human rite.

TheTravellers
01-21-2011, 02:43 PM
No specific funeral procession law in Oklahoma, but one is required to yield to ongoing lights a going emergency/leo vehicles, including cycle officers.
While it seems likely there is something in writing for each entity, I don't know which, if any, area cities have specific ordinances on requesting/paying for law enforcement escorts for a procession.

Actually, OKC municipal code (32-221) says this

(a) Upon the immediate approach of an authorized emergency vehicle responding to emergency calls, the driver of every vehicle shall yield the right-of-way and shall immediately drive to a position parallel to, and as close as possible to, the righthand edge or curb of the roadway, clear of any intersection, and shall stop and remain in the position until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed, except when otherwise directed by a Police Officer.

(b) The authorized emergency vehicle while responding to emergency calls shall be equipped with and have in operation at least one lighted lamp exhibiting red light visible under normal atmospheric conditions from a distance of 500 feet to the front of the vehicle and the driver shall give an audible signal by siren or bell.

Emphasis mine, and I'm pretty sure funerals don't really qualify as emergency calls. State law doesn't make that distinction, I don't think, it appears to just say pull over for flashing lights (as long as those lights conform to certain specs).

So it doesn't appear that it's a law, from what I can see.

In Illinois, funeral procession members had a sticker or placard in their windshield or a flag on their antenna (or a magnetic flag stuck to their car) as well as their headlights on.

Of Sound Mind
01-21-2011, 02:50 PM
Out of curiosity, why is this bothering you so much?

TheTravellers
01-21-2011, 03:02 PM
Out of curiosity, why is this bothering you so much?

Doesn't really *bother* me, but I posted the initial question for the same reason you posted - curiousity. I like to know what laws might exist that I don't know about that I might possibly be breaking and get ticketed for. Like the law about not changing lanes in a school zone - didn't know that existed, have never heard about it anywhere in the US (but didn't really go looking for it in the laws where I lived either), but now know it exists here in OKC and I've been doing it ever since I've been driving, and since I could get ticketed for it, I might be more averse to doing it in the future.

I never really posted why I was asking, duh, so here's the real reason - I don't believe I've ever seen anybody stop for a funeral procession going opposite their direction of travel in my 30 years of driving in cities all over the country. Everybody just kept right on going, pretty much ignoring the procession. So this took me by complete surprise and I was wondering if it was a law here since it didn't appear to be one anywhere else, or if it was just a custom.

And ljbab, don't even get started on breaking speed limit laws. :numchucks :Smiley026

BBatesokc
01-21-2011, 03:21 PM
There are so many obscure laws you are probably breaking all the time. Ilene I'm not talking about those often non-existent goofy laws that make it into Internet emails and urban legend.

Larry OKC
01-21-2011, 10:10 PM
...I don't believe I've ever seen anybody stop for a funeral procession going opposite their direction of travel in my 30 years of driving in cities all over the country. Everybody just kept right on going, pretty much ignoring the procession. ...

isn't that when you would pull over and stop? Thats when I notice it and pull over and see others doing the same. From Oklahoma to Iowa to Florida and states in between (have lived in all). Rarely have I seen someone pulled over in the same direction of traffic as the procession. Also, I think it depends on if it is a divided highway or not. Rare to see anyone stop on Hefner Parkway, but down a regular street, sure. Similar to stopping for school buses. if it is a divided roadway (such as Grand Boulevard), no need for traffic in the opposite lane to stop but undivided, absolutely.

But good to know what the local rules are. Know when ever I drive in an unfamiliar state, ask about right turn on red.

PennyQuilts
01-21-2011, 10:28 PM
I recall back in the days when pedestrians also observed the rite. Men who wore hats would stand at attention with their hat removed. Women would cover their heart with a hand. It was nice. And yes, a comfort to the family. One of those civil things people do/did that didn't cost anything but let the grieving family know you were sorry for their loss.

TheTravellers
01-22-2011, 01:54 PM
isn't that when you would pull over and stop? Thats when I notice it and pull over and see others doing the same. From Oklahoma to Iowa to Florida and states in between (have lived in all). Rarely have I seen someone pulled over in the same direction of traffic as the procession. Also, I think it depends on if it is a divided highway or not. Rare to see anyone stop on Hefner Parkway, but down a regular street, sure. Similar to stopping for school buses. if it is a divided roadway (such as Grand Boulevard), no need for traffic in the opposite lane to stop but undivided, absolutely.

But good to know what the local rules are. Know when ever I drive in an unfamiliar state, ask about right turn on red.

It was on Hefner, not Hefner Parkway.

Larry OKC
01-23-2011, 02:56 AM
It was on Hefner, not Hefner Parkway.

I understood that you were on Hefner. I mentioned Hefner Parkway as an example of a divided highway where traffic in the opposite direction does NOT stop. On a regular road (like Hefner) they would. But my point initially was, it is traffic in the opposite direction that stops/pulls over, not usually traffic going the same direction.

Besides the reasons already posted, it could be a safety factor. If escorting officers are having to get from the previous intersection, around the procession and to the next intersection, a clear lane of traffic for them to navigate (the opposite lane of traffic)? Same for ambulances etc, often see them get into the opposite lane of traffic to get around the stopped traffic in the same lane.

oneforone
01-23-2011, 06:35 AM
I think it all depends on how far the procession is traveling. I have seen some where all the cars have headlights on, some have headlights and flashers and one had a flashing yellow light on dash of the tail vehicle. I have noticed OCPD does a pretty good job of moving the processions through the city. They usually have a large group of officers in place for the larger motorcades. I am kind of wondering if funeral processisons can only occurr during certain times. I have never seen one earlier then 10am and no later then 3pm.

kevinpate
01-23-2011, 07:30 AM
... I am kind of wondering if funeral processisons can only occurr during certain times. I have never seen one earlier then 10am and no later then 3pm.

I'd speculate that's more related to convenient beginning times for services more than anything else. to have a processional on the road before 10 would likely require a start of time for any memorial service at 8ish, rather early to get family of the recently departed up, spiffy, cross town and separately greeted from the friends of the departed.

Concersely, processions might be limited in the metro, like moving larger loads, to non rush hour periods.