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okclee
12-01-2010, 03:39 PM
The sign says, It's as easy as 1-2-3 ; Signal, Stop, Reverse. lol

Okc will be sure to add a Step #4, pay at the meter.

Spartan
12-01-2010, 04:07 PM
Hey i'm not trying to make a big stink about it or anything...no feathers ruffled here or anything. Like I said before, it's a project I don't agree with, but big whoopie. It's not like I'm going to start picketing to get them to stop or anything. Kerry - I just flat out don't agree with the interpretation of the situation...it's that simple. Difference of opinion is all. They wanna go forward with it, not like I'im going to stop them...I just think it's dumb.

Well, the posts in contrast to yours haven't been personal. It's just that I sincerely believe that if people really think about it and get to know how back-in parking really works, then they won't be so against it. I am anxious for you to test that little theory of mine, if you'd like to. There have been any number of posts directed toward you that you can chose to actually respond to.

bombermwc
12-06-2010, 06:28 AM
Ugh...I'm not against back-in-parking. I prefer it over the angle-pull-in. What I don't agree with is the application on Broadway. I spent years in the year going to different places in my days at OCU. We went to art galleries (actually performed at one too), went to events down there, shopped, etc. Never once did i have to "circle" to get a parking spot...and at various times of day. They keep talking about wanting to make it a pedestrian friendly area, but it already is. The traffic isn't high enough to make it any more or less dangerous to cross whether it's 2 or 4 lanes. Not to mention the fact that if you cross, you're supposed to do it at a crosswalk anyway....at which you have a light to help you. If you are looking for a parking spot....they're all over the place, they just aren't street-side....big whoopiedoo. I don't feel it adds anything for the city to do the work, sorry.

And Spartan, that's just personal opinion. Like I said, i'm not trying to ruffle feathers, but it you keep pushing, that's the result you get. I don't agree with the project and never will. You don't have to spend time convincing me or waiting for some magical answer....i don't agree with the project and that's that. But, who says that has any impact on what happens? If it's important enough to the right people, it will get done. Doesn't make it correct, but my opinion doesn't make it wrong either.

BoulderSooner
12-06-2010, 07:33 AM
the parking situation years ago .. is not the same as today .. and not what we will need in the future or to attract new business.

Kerry
12-06-2010, 08:12 AM
Ugh...I'm not against back-in-parking. I prefer it over the angle-pull-in. What I don't agree with is the application on Broadway. I spent years in the year going to different places in my days at OCU. We went to art galleries (actually performed at one too), went to events down there, shopped, etc. Never once did i have to "circle" to get a parking spot...and at various times of day. They keep talking about wanting to make it a pedestrian friendly area, but it already is. The traffic isn't high enough to make it any more or less dangerous to cross whether it's 2 or 4 lanes. Not to mention the fact that if you cross, you're supposed to do it at a crosswalk anyway....at which you have a light to help you. If you are looking for a parking spot....they're all over the place, they just aren't street-side....big whoopiedoo. I don't feel it adds anything for the city to do the work, sorry.

Thanks for the clarrification Bombermwc.

Spartan
12-06-2010, 03:24 PM
Ugh...I'm not against back-in-parking. I prefer it over the angle-pull-in. What I don't agree with is the application on Broadway. I spent years in the year going to different places in my days at OCU. We went to art galleries (actually performed at one too), went to events down there, shopped, etc. Never once did i have to "circle" to get a parking spot...and at various times of day. They keep talking about wanting to make it a pedestrian friendly area, but it already is. The traffic isn't high enough to make it any more or less dangerous to cross whether it's 2 or 4 lanes. Not to mention the fact that if you cross, you're supposed to do it at a crosswalk anyway....at which you have a light to help you. If you are looking for a parking spot....they're all over the place, they just aren't street-side....big whoopiedoo. I don't feel it adds anything for the city to do the work, sorry.

And Spartan, that's just personal opinion. Like I said, i'm not trying to ruffle feathers, but it you keep pushing, that's the result you get. I don't agree with the project and never will. You don't have to spend time convincing me or waiting for some magical answer....i don't agree with the project and that's that. But, who says that has any impact on what happens? If it's important enough to the right people, it will get done. Doesn't make it correct, but my opinion doesn't make it wrong either.

Right. I do not feel like your feathers are ruffled, or at least not more than usual, and mine certainly aren't, again at least not more than usual. With that said it seems like the only thing you don't agree with is that anything needs to be done with parking on Broadway, and here you have a point.

I don't strongly feel one way or another, but I do think if you can make an improvement, you might as well do that, even if common says if it aint broke, don't fix it. I think the idea that McDermid and the A-Alley people have is that it is broke even though it doesn't seem like it. They're trying to attract national retailers who want to see a LOT more free parking than there currently is, despite that finding parking has never been an issue on Broadway. It's the same thing with Bricktown, so it will be interesting to see if we can implement this in different places and if public opinion might actually begin to reflect the utter over-abundance of parking that is actually available downtown.

I can't say for sure, I haven't been on the line when (and if) they've tried calling GAP and Urban Outfitters and talks stopped at the need for more free public parking. I will say that N. Broadway needs a lot more activity, it's always had incredible potential and been a really nice corridor, but not a highly utilized one unfortunately. I could easily see Automobile Alley morph into something a lot like Mass Street in Lawrence--a lot of the buildings and street corners remind me of each/other. Both have a classy, upscale feel. Mass St has ample public parking and GAP/UO/Starbucks/etc which bring in a lot of activity that supports the overwhelming majority of local shops.

bombermwc
12-08-2010, 06:42 AM
OK not trying to be a crapface here...but someone just mentioned on another thread how the Cityscape is being displayed at 10th and Broadway this year and how much easier it was to park there than at Penn Square last year. I'm not doing a "told you so" or anything, just showing I'm not the only one out there that thinks parking is fine down there. OK, not I'll shut up on this one and move on....

OKCMallen
12-08-2010, 08:03 AM
There will have to be an awful lot of successful development for parking to become a problem in AA.

Kerry
12-08-2010, 08:11 AM
There will have to be an awful lot of successful development for parking to become a problem in AA.

If a new parking style helps drive that successful development hopefully parking wil never become a problem.

Architect2010
12-08-2010, 09:33 AM
OK not trying to be a crapface here...but someone just mentioned on another thread how the Cityscape is being displayed at 10th and Broadway this year and how much easier it was to park there than at Penn Square last year. I'm not doing a "told you so" or anything, just showing I'm not the only one out there that thinks parking is fine down there. OK, not I'll shut up on this one and move on....

Penn Square and Broadway are completely different monsters. Besides, it's already been pointed out that a big decision to move the Cityscape to 10th was for ease of access.

CS_Mike
12-08-2010, 09:45 AM
OK not trying to be a crapface here...but someone just mentioned on another thread how the Cityscape is being displayed at 10th and Broadway this year and how much easier it was to park there than at Penn Square last year. I'm not doing a "told you so" or anything, just showing I'm not the only one out there that thinks parking is fine down there. OK, not I'll shut up on this one and move on....

Even if parking isn't really a problem down there, I don't think you should underestimate the psychological benefits of implementing street-side parking. If you see cars lining both sides of the street, you're probably more likely to associate that visual with "activity". The area will look more lively, even if there aren't many people on the sidewalks. Hopefully that will help to attract more visitors to the area. Nobody wants to visit an area that looks dead.

Spartan
12-08-2010, 11:57 AM
OK not trying to be a crapface here...but someone just mentioned on another thread how the Cityscape is being displayed at 10th and Broadway this year and how much easier it was to park there than at Penn Square last year. I'm not doing a "told you so" or anything, just showing I'm not the only one out there that thinks parking is fine down there. OK, not I'll shut up on this one and move on....

No, we agree. Parking is NOT a problem in A-Alley. But there is not enough free parking spaces to attract retailers. So that's the only problem with parking.

Kerry
12-08-2010, 01:06 PM
Even if parking isn't really a problem down there, I don't think you should underestimate the psychological benefits of implementing street-side parking. If you see cars lining both sides of the street, you're probably more likely to associate that visual with "activity". The area will look more lively, even if there aren't many people on the sidewalks. Hopefully that will help to attract more visitors to the area. Nobody wants to visit an area that looks dead.

If you need first hand proof of this just watch traffic slow down on the interstate to watch some guy change his tire on the side of the road.

okclee
12-08-2010, 01:15 PM
Let's get the City to buy up a few thousand cheap used cars and place them all over Auto Alley?

Kerry
12-08-2010, 01:59 PM
Let's get the City to buy up a few thousand cheap used cars and place them all over Auto Alley?

You make fun, but that is actaully a tried and true marketing strategy. I have used it myself on several occasions. It goes by the street name of "fake it till you make it".

Spartan
12-08-2010, 03:53 PM
Let's get the City to buy up a few thousand cheap used cars and place them all over Auto Alley?

That's actually a really good idea. Or just park the fleet cars on North Broadway until A-Alley is busy enough to have a real parking problem.

rondvu
12-08-2010, 04:02 PM
I am in favor of Broadway becoming for pedestrian friendly and can't wait for the changes. I am a bit apprehensive of the back in parking. I drive a truck and its maneuverability is somewhat challenging to say the least. If you look around most people drive in their driveways and back out. For me it is easier that way. I am no planning official, but just sayin. Every few spaces I think a jut out with a tree planted in it would also be great and would not take of room on the sidewalk.

Kerry
12-08-2010, 04:56 PM
I am in favor of Broadway becoming for pedestrian friendly and can't wait for the changes. I am a bit apprehensive of the back in parking. I drive a truck and its maneuverability is somewhat challenging to say the least. If you look around most people drive in their driveways and back out. For me it is easier that way. I am no planning official, but just sayin. Every few spaces I think a jut out with a tree planted in it would also be great and would not take of room on the sidewalk.

Out of curosity, how do you back out of parking spaces now?

flintysooner
12-08-2010, 05:59 PM
I am in favor of Broadway becoming for pedestrian friendly and can't wait for the changes. I am a bit apprehensive of the back in parking. I drive a truck and its maneuverability is somewhat challenging to say the least. If you look around most people drive in their driveways and back out. For me it is easier that way. I am no planning official, but just sayin. Every few spaces I think a jut out with a tree planted in it would also be great and would not take of room on the sidewalk.Reverse Angle Parking helps tremendously with visibility when there are pickups, SUVs and other larger vehicles next to you.

rondvu
12-08-2010, 06:42 PM
For me and I am saying me. It as always been in easier for me to back out than to back in. Not ever parked in a back in I am still open to the thought. Keep in mind this is what am saying with the information I have to date. In time it could change.

Kerry
12-08-2010, 06:53 PM
If a parking lot is busy, or I expect it to be busy when I am ready to leave, I always back in. It makes leaving soooo much easier and safer.

Larry OKC
12-08-2010, 10:25 PM
If a parking lot is busy, or I expect it to be busy when I am ready to leave, I always back in. It makes leaving soooo much easier and safer.

Easier? Probably. But Safer? I wouldn't think so. In most cases that puts you going the wrong way on a "one way" lane.

Kerry
12-09-2010, 06:04 AM
Easier? Probably. But Safer? I wouldn't think so. In most cases that puts you going the wrong way on a "one way" lane.

We don't have a lot of angled parking here in Jacksonville and in most shopping centers we don't have one way lanes either. But yes, if it is angled parking and one way lanes then backing in is not an option.

flintysooner
12-09-2010, 06:15 AM
If a parking lot is busy, or I expect it to be busy when I am ready to leave, I always back in. It makes leaving soooo much easier and safer.I read a study not very long ago that actually concluded accidents could be reduced both in frequency and severity if people would back in on entry so that they could drive forward on exit. I don't recall the source or I'd post it. I found it credible.

Another good way of parking in a lot is the "drive through" single lane of parks but it really only works when you can only manage one aisle in a particular situation.