View Full Version : What Says OKC On Rutgers Student Privacy Invasion Suicide?



Fastfwd
09-30-2010, 08:35 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/tyler-clementi-cyberbullying-world-news-question-day/story?id=11764617

ApplePearBerry
09-30-2010, 09:07 AM
Msn Link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39419543/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?gt1=43001)

I think it is so sad that kid wasn't strong enough to stay alive (if he really did commit suicide).

However, all 3 of them are total idiots: the 2 tapers who were smart enough to get into Princeton, but not smart enough to think of the consequences for secretly videotaping someone and the guy who killed himself - how is killing yourself solving anything?

Through it all, I feel most sad for the families and friends of these 3 individuals.

What do you think of this?

Roadhawg
09-30-2010, 09:19 AM
Sad all the way around

BBatesokc
09-30-2010, 09:42 AM
I think calling the suicide victim an 'idiot' is completely off base.

The young man was a teenager in college and his private act of homosexual sex was broadcast by his roommate and another friend for the world to see. I think any reasonable person could see where this would be too much for some emotional teens to handle.

I hope the teens involved in the broadcast receive some prison time and thousands of hours of community service (public speaking preferably).

BBatesokc
09-30-2010, 09:43 AM
Already a thread on this.

Kerry
09-30-2010, 09:50 AM
Our question to you today: What should have been done to protect Tyler Clementi?

If I was Tyler Clementi I would have beat the crap out of my roommate while we was sleeping (or at least hit him with a few thousand volts from a stun gun). He wouldn't be streaming anything else for a long time.

Fastfwd
09-30-2010, 10:25 AM
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100930/D9II1KAG2.html

"And we are sickened that anyone in our society, such as the students allegedly responsible for making the surreptitious video, might consider destroying others' lives as a sport."

"If the charges are true, these actions gravely violate the university's standards of decency and humanity," McCormick wrote.

“The Middlesex County prosecutor's office charged the pair, both 18, with two counts apiece of invasion of privacy, claiming they used the webcam to view and transmit a live image of Clementi on Sept. 19. Ravi was also charged with two more counts of invasion of privacy alleging he tried to transmit another encounter of Clementi on Sept. 21.

Collecting or viewing sexual images without consent is a fourth-degree crime. Transmitting them is a third-degree crime with a maximum prison term of five years.”

“More than 100 people attended a campus rally Wednesday night, with some lying on the ground and chanting things like, "If my dorm's not safe, Rutgers isn't safe."

"Had he been in bed with a woman, this would not have happened," said Lauren Felton, a 21-year-old student from Warren. "He wouldn't have been outed via an online broadcast and his privacy would have been respected and he might still have his life."

Fastfwd
09-30-2010, 10:27 AM
Already a thread on this.

You are correct that there was already a thread on this - this one. Created 9:35 am.

Matt
09-30-2010, 11:18 AM
You are correct that there was already a thread on this - this one. Created 9:35 am.

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jmarkross
09-30-2010, 12:00 PM
If I was Tyler Clementi I would have beat the crap out of my roommate while we was sleeping (or at least hit him with a few thousand volts from a stun gun). He wouldn't be streaming anything else for a long time.

If you don't fight back--life is hell. But--he probably thought he was much safer in a VERY LIBERAL college on the East Coast...oops...I guess maybe he bought into the facade like "so many others". The perps should be pilloried--but--legal mumbo-jumbo will mean a small fine most likely...then the inevitable trip to CNN's liberal arm HeadlineNews and Nancy Grace--and--why not? She has already set up a gay man to be murdered (and he WAS)...so she is an accepted authority on the subject matter.

How are the twins, Nancy?

It just goes on and on...

jmarkross
09-30-2010, 12:07 PM
If I was Tyler Clementi I would have beat the crap out of my roommate while we was sleeping (or at least hit him with a few thousand volts from a stun gun). He wouldn't be streaming anything else for a long time.

If you don't fight back--life is hell. But--he probably thought he was much safer in a VERY LIBERAL college on the East Coast...oops...I guess maybe he bought into the facade like "so many others". The perps should be pilloried--but--legal mumbo-jumbo will mean a small fine most likely...then the inevitable trip to CNN's liberal arm HeadlineNews and Nancy Grace--and--why not? She has already set up a gay man to be murdered (and he WAS)...so she is an accepted authority on the subject matter.

How are the twins, Nancy?

It just goes on and on...

PennyQuilts
09-30-2010, 12:53 PM
What is wrong with those young people who did this?

I don't care who the man slept with - it was not only none of their business, it was horribly cruel to do what they did. Shame on them. If there is any justice, they will be shunned by everyone, including their mother but it won't happen. Everyone who knows them will tsk tsk and tell them "they couldn't know" he was so fragile.

Stew
09-30-2010, 01:16 PM
You can't go anywhere today without being videoed. Gas stations, convenience stores, walmart,.. etc. We as a society made the decision that's alright to video people with or without their consent. You can't turn on the TV today without seeing somebody being humiliated for our entertainment like is done on Cops, American Idol, Biggest Loser or heck even CNN's Nancy Grace. The list goes on and on.

What these kids did was wrong but how the hell can I expect young people raised in a culture of voyeuristic pleasure watching others demeaned to know that what they did is wrong. They're just stepping up a bit from what they've witnessed their entire lives. What's considered entertainment these days is sickening in my book but eh the free market has spoken.

Now of course we all know that the root blame here is liberals. I'm just sure it is.

jmarkross
09-30-2010, 02:15 PM
You can't go anywhere today without being videoed. Gas stations, convenience stores, walmart,.. etc. We as a society made the decision that's alright to video people with or without their consent. You can't turn on the TV today without seeing somebody being humiliated for our entertainment like is done on Cops, American Idol, Biggest Loser or heck even CNN's Nancy Grace. The list goes on and on.

What these kids did was wrong but how the hell can I expect young people raised in a culture of voyeuristic pleasure watching others demeaned to know that what they did is wrong. They're just stepping up a bit from what they've witnessed their entire lives. What's considered entertainment these days is sickening in my book but eh the free market has spoken.

Now of course we all know that the root blame here is liberals. I'm just sure it is.

The solution is quite simple. Don't give a flying f*** what anyone else thinks of what you do. If they don't like it--let them go somewhere else. The problem was--this kid let OTHERS carve out his spot in life, instead of doing it himself. If your roommate puts a cam on you...put a 5-wood up the side of his head when he looks sideways at you...he won't mess you with anymore--I guarantee it. Otherwise...there is an endless supply of bullies out there to make your life miserable....learn that or lose. That is how things are--like it or not.:fighting2

BBatesokc
09-30-2010, 02:18 PM
"Gas stations, convenience stores, Wal-Mart, etc" are all public places or places of public accommodation where the individual has no legal expectation of privacy. In a dorm room with the door and windows closed is a completely different matter. You can't blame "society" for the actions of these dumb asses. You may not hold our youth to a reasonable standard but hopefully most people do.

What they did was wrong and if they were too stupid to know it at the time, I'm sure they soon will ~ and deservedly so.

jmarkross
09-30-2010, 02:38 PM
"Gas stations, convenience stores, Wal-Mart, etc" are all public places or places of public accommodation where the individual has no legal expectation of privacy. In a dorm room with the door and windows closed is a completely different matter. You can't blame "society" for the actions of these dumb asses. You may not hold our youth to a reasonable standard but hopefully most people do.

What they did was wrong and if they were too stupid to know it at the time, I'm sure they soon will ~ and deservedly so.

It was certainly wrong...but no one is going to come along and "pass" a law or enforce some rule to make things better. Hopefully--the perps will be scarred for life--by their own conscience--hopefully. But, there is no real empirical reason to expect that. There just are no protectors around for all cases...hence--that is why most thinking people keep a .38 or .45 "friend" beside the bed. You'll never be able to beat everyone in a altercation--always a bigger guy somewhere--but you CAN "make him an offer" he OUGHT NOT refuse.

Bunty
09-30-2010, 04:33 PM
Meanwhile, how is the other guy in the prank sex video doing? Simply keeping a very low profile?

jmarkross
09-30-2010, 09:46 PM
Meanwhile, how is the other guy in the prank sex video doing? Simply keeping a very low profile?
Rutgers...East Coast elites...just watch and see...it will all be swept under the rug and they will transfer to Dartmouth--a much wilder school...and life will go on as usual. Not unlike Chappaquiddick...:doh:

ApplePearBerry
09-30-2010, 10:57 PM
Roadhawg: I agree.

BBatesokc: Whether I was off-based calling the victim an 'idiot' or not, he still wasn't a very smart person.

Yes, I can see that this was a lot for some to handle, but any reasonable person would understand that killing oneself solves nothing. Anyhow, I do hope the other 2 receive prison time and hours upon hours of community service for invading Tyler Clementi's privacy.

ApplePearBerry
09-30-2010, 10:59 PM
I meant college not Princeton.

Martin
10-01-2010, 05:34 AM
threads merged. -M

Kerry
10-01-2010, 07:26 AM
Meanwhile, how is the other guy in the prank sex video doing? Simply keeping a very low profile?

Good question.

TaoMaas
10-04-2010, 10:15 AM
The problem was--this kid let OTHERS carve out his spot in life, instead of doing it himself. If your roommate puts a cam on you...put a 5-wood up the side of his head when he looks sideways at you...he won't mess you with anymore--I guarantee it.

You're right...he won't mess with you anymore because your happy azz will be doing hard time for assault with a deadly weapon, while he's merrily going about his life. sheesh....

jmarkross
10-04-2010, 10:19 AM
You're right...he won't mess with you anymore because your happy azz will be doing hard time for assault with a deadly weapon, while he's merrily going about his life. sheesh....

Hardly. Gang-bangers do FAR FAR worse things everyday and get probation...what planet do you live on?

TaoMaas
10-04-2010, 10:25 AM
Hardly. Gang-bangers do FAR FAR worse things everyday and get probation...what planet do you live on?

I live in the real world...where folks like you let their mouths overload their azz and have to pay the price for it. What planet do you live on? Surely you don't fancy yourself to be some gang-banger, do you? Hey..I'll bet you think you could quarterback an NFL team from your recliner, too? Am I right? LOL LOL

BBatesokc
10-04-2010, 11:06 AM
Hardly. Gang-bangers do FAR FAR worse things everyday and get probation...what planet do you live on?

And pharmacist's defend themselves during an armed robbery and face life behind bars. Robert Butcher used a knife to defend himself in a bar parking lot from a mob of drunken racists who had already assaulted him inside the bar. He was charged with murder and even though 11 of 12 jurors thought he was innocent he was forced to plead guilty to manslaughter to get out of jail. A guy living on my street got his 3rd DUI (didn't hit anyone, just got pulled over) and was given 5 years in prison. So, yeah, TaoMaas is living in reality right here on planet Earth.

You give a beating to your roommate with a golf club (which could easily lead to death or permanent injury) over something non-life-threatening and you are most likely going to jail and definitely spending thousands of (even hundreds of thousands) on legal bills and restitution (who'd be laughing then?).

onthestrip
10-04-2010, 03:40 PM
The young man was a teenager in college and his private act of homosexual sex was broadcast by his roommate and another friend for the world to see. I think any reasonable person could see where this would be too much for some emotional teens to handle.

Im sensing a little irony with this post, you know, because who it came from.

jmarkross
10-04-2010, 04:10 PM
And pharmacist's defend themselves during an armed robbery and face life behind bars. Robert Butcher used a knife to defend himself in a bar parking lot from a mob of drunken racists who had already assaulted him inside the bar. He was charged with murder and even though 11 of 12 jurors thought he was innocent he was forced to plead guilty to manslaughter to get out of jail. A guy living on my street got his 3rd DUI (didn't hit anyone, just got pulled over) and was given 5 years in prison. So, yeah, TaoMaas is living in reality right here on planet Earth.

You give a beating to your roommate with a golf club (which could easily lead to death or permanent injury) over something non-life-threatening and you are most likely going to jail and definitely spending thousands of (even hundreds of thousands) on legal bills and restitution (who'd be laughing then?).

Well--then I guess you support the outing of young college freshmen...and the broadcast of their sexual indiscretions...

kevinpate
10-04-2010, 04:57 PM
Im sensing a little irony with this post, you know, because who it came from.


Guess I am thick headed. I don't see any irony.

What bbates does and what happened at Rutgers are as different as night and day, at least to me they are.

BBatesokc
10-04-2010, 05:32 PM
Guess I am thick headed. I don't see any irony.

What bbates does and what happened at Rutgers are as different as night and day, at least to me they are.

I agree Kevinpate and I think most reasonable people do too (regardless if they agree with my video activism or not). I draw a very distinct line between public AND no expectation of privacy, and private with every expectation of privacy.


Well--then I guess you support the outing of young college freshmen...and the broadcast of their sexual indiscretions...

Hmmmm, I think I was VERY clear that I am 100% against what happened to that young man and my quote you used certainly does not make your point at all. However, using the force you are promoting is ludicrous and would backfire virtually 100% of the time.

Kerry
10-05-2010, 08:58 AM
You're right...he won't mess with you anymore because your happy azz will be doing hard time for assault with a deadly weapon, while he's merrily going about his life. sheesh....

Tiger's ex-wife is in jail doing hard time? This doesn't look like a mug shot.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/elin.jpg

BBatesokc
10-05-2010, 09:21 AM
Tiger's ex-wife is in jail doing hard time? This doesn't look like a mug shot.

Lame attempt at making a comparison.

Kerry
10-05-2010, 12:25 PM
Lame attempt at making a comparison.

Didn't she hit Tiger with a golf club (most likely while he was sleeping).

BBatesokc
10-05-2010, 02:29 PM
Didn't she hit Tiger with a golf club (most likely while he was sleeping).

Yes, but still a lame comparison if you look at the facts....
1.) I think we all know JMarkRoss was not talking about getting even with some slight abrasions.
2.) Police tried to investigate and pursue charges but neither the victim or the assailant would cooperate at all. Certainly that would not be the case in JMarkRoss's example. So, exactly how is your reference to Elin even close?

jmarkross
10-05-2010, 02:43 PM
Yes, but still a lame comparison if you look at the facts....
1.) I think we all know JMarkRoss was not talking about getting even with some slight abrasions.
2.) Police tried to investigate and pursue charges but neither the victim or the assailant would cooperate at all. Certainly that would not be the case in JMarkRoss's example. So, exactly how is your reference to Elin even close?

Never a good idea to assume the worst about implications...there ARE degrees of severity...

BBatesokc
10-05-2010, 03:04 PM
Never a good idea to assume the worst about implications...there ARE degrees of severity...

Riiiiigght, the spirit of your post was that you would have given the guy a couple of slight love taps and then he would have refused to cooperate with police. Damn, how could I have missed that. I'm sure the gun you brag about keeping nearby is for superficial wounds too.

jmarkross
10-05-2010, 03:05 PM
You miss a lot of things at the Bates Motel...

BBatesokc
10-05-2010, 03:13 PM
You miss a lot of things at the Bates Motel...

Oh crap, I'm having an Internet argument with an obvious 12-year old.
:beaten_fi

jmarkross
10-05-2010, 03:19 PM
Oh crap, I'm having an Internet argument with an obvious 12-year old.
:beaten_fi

Argument? I never think of casual opinions and musings on internet forums as...arguments...do you? And--in my case--call me a 12yo all you want--I love it!

Midtowner
10-06-2010, 01:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

Matt
10-06-2010, 02:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4005/bushdoingitwrong.jpg

Martin
10-06-2010, 02:43 PM
fyi...

[ yt ]video id[ /yt ]

put in this...

[ yt ]kQFKtI6gn9Y[ /yt ]

and you get this...

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-M

Jersey Boss
10-07-2010, 08:16 AM
What is with the convuluted syntax of the topic question?

Bunty
10-15-2010, 12:16 PM
As much free porn as people, gay or straight, put up on the Internet, it's kinda hard to see why a guy would kill himself over being caught in a gay sex scene. But then I reckon there's a big difference over voluntarily doing it and not.

MadMonk
10-15-2010, 02:05 PM
Maybe not a golf club, but the jackass certainly deserved at least a punch in the nose.