Drove past (yes past and not through) Trosper Park this afternoon and noticed they are in the final stages of removing a huge portion of the road and at least two parking areas.

In my opinion this must be in response to the open acts of public lewdness that have plagued the park for years. The street that has been removed was where most of the vehicles would park and was hardest to patrol by police without being noticed.

I wonder if the city will openly admit they are doing it to stop the homosexual activity and how they can justify the expenditure during these economic hard times.

I don't recall ever seeing that you had gone after to get any videos of guys in areas such as that bbates for your site - is that more acceptable that prostitution?

I've never thought of that. lolol

Mr. Bates, what is your reason for not filming the homosexual activities?

Drove past (yes past and not through) Trosper Park this afternoon and noticed they are in the final stages of removing a huge portion of the road and at least two parking areas.

In my opinion this must be in response to the open acts of public lewdness that have plagued the park for years. The street that has been removed was where most of the vehicles would park and was hardest to patrol by police without being noticed.

I wonder if the city will openly admit they are doing it to stop the homosexual activity and how they can justify the expenditure during these economic hard times.

I live less than a mile from Trosper Park, and I don't know which street those vehicles park on. You sure do seem to know a lot about how that stuff goes down.

"They removed the street where vehicles would park to pursue illicit activities, as well as several parking lots. Then they put up extra lighting in 'heavily used' areas. And they put a lock on the bathroom where everyone went to get handjobs."

Umm... yeah.

I guess you could say no more Trosper trysts...so glad my tax dollars are hard at work.

Actually, you assume too much. In reality I have targeted Trosper Park and those efforts were reported by the local news. Some citizens in the area asked me to help them and I helped them start TakeBackTrosperPark.com and even put my name on it so they wouldn't be retaliated against. My efforts led to several large stings there. We were then told the park would most likely be closed "as part of the city's efforts to save money," so we scaled it back.

In my opinion I really couldn't care less about the sexual orientation of the people at the park. The problem was the blatant acts of public sex and masterbation and the grounds being littered with condoms, underwear and porn that were at issue.

TakeBackTrosperPark.com goes to Shooting Star Members Only Log In (http://members.shootingstarjh.com/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Ftakebacktrosper park.com%2F)

Umm.. Bates?

If the city want to close the park, they can just go across the street to the golf courses.

Pulled the site while we waited for the changes the city promised. The site contained videos of the public lewdness and the names of some prominent people who had been caught in sex stings at the park but were never prosecuted (along with the names of people who were). In recent years two pastors, well known attorneys and a commissioner were all caught in stings and apparently used their influence to avoid being criminally charged while average (though deviant) citizens were criminally prosecuted.

Just did an interview with Lisa M. At Fox25 - they are doing a story about the park tonight at 9pm.

Let me get this straight. The streets inside the park, along with the parking lots, are being torn out? What about the playgrounds? The whole park is actually gonna be closed? This is not a viable solution, because the people will just go elsewhere. And when that happen, is the city going to close the next park as well? If this bible belt state keep it up, we won't have any more parks.

Just did an interview with Lisa M. At Fox25 - they are doing a story about the park tonight at 9pm.


Had fam over for a visit and I forgot to set the dvr. So, how did the story play out on fox tonight?

Went fine. Top story. City claims they were "just making improvements" I claimed they were addressing the problem of acts of lewdness. They used some footage I had shot in the park. They actually interviewed a family that was bringing their child to Trosper because the park closest to them was full of hookers.

Let me get this straight. The streets inside the park, along with the parking lots, are being torn out? What about the playgrounds? The whole park is actually gonna be closed? This is not a viable solution, because the people will just go elsewhere. And when that happen, is the city going to close the next park as well? If this bible belt state keep it up, we won't have any more parks.

So are you saying the City/Police should just ignore them and let them do as they please ?

So are you saying the City/Police should just ignore them and let them do as they please ?

No, that is your suggestion. My suggestion is to have a security guard to patrol the park, not a police man/woman.

So let me get this straight. They have some roads torn up at Trosper park, and through speculation, Mr Bates thinks that the city is addressing the "problem" of "homosexual activities". The city says they are not, but the Video Vigilante insists. It sounds like Mr. Bates is stretching a parks improvement project into a more salacious scandal than it deserves to be. This is stupid. I've always hated the V.V. stuff, and this is the lamest of all. It sounds to me like the VV is running out of scandals that anybody cares about in OKC. If this is the best he can do maybe the muckraking gig is coming to an end. Might have to find some actual employment instead of screwing with peoples lives. I'm not trying to sound mean, but I can't stand self promoting scandal hunters.

So let me get this straight. They have some roads torn up at Trosper park, and through speculation, Mr Bates thinks that the city is addressing the "problem" of "homosexual activities". The city says they are not, but the Video Vigilante insists. It sounds like Mr. Bates is stretching a parks improvement project into a more salacious scandal than it deserves to be. This is stupid. I've always hated the V.V. stuff, and this is the lamest of all. It sounds to me like the VV is running out of scandals that anybody cares about in OKC. If this is the best he can do maybe the muckraking gig is coming to an end. Might have to find some actual employment instead of screwing with peoples lives. I'm not trying to sound mean, but I can't stand self promoting scandal hunters.

Actually, not speculation at all. Myself and a small group of citizens organized and published TakeBackTrosperPark.com. There we began pointing out the names and occupations of well connected Oklahoman's arrested at the park but never prosecuted and documenting the public lewd acts and the volume of used condoms, drug needles and porn in the area. We also made the city aware of our intent to place live streaming cameras in the park. A person with the city then assured us 'steps were being planned that should greatly impact the criminal activity in the park by next summer.' Lo and behold the next summer the city is tearing up the street and parking lot.

When the city was challenged on their reply that the road and parking lot removals were simply the result of there being too many roads and parking spaces in the park - they admitted they had not done any traffic studies at all to reach that conclusion and the existing roads and parking areas were not in need of immediate repair.

That's not speculation, that's results.

I wonder if any other metro parks were slated for the city to be 'just making improvements' shortly in advance of this particular weekend.

Probably just a total coinkeydink that it is the annual OKC Pride weekend (http://www.okgazette.com/p/12776/a/6582/Default.aspx?ReturnUrl=LwBwAC8AMQAyADgAMwAzAC8AYQA vADYANQA4ADIALwBEAGUAZgBhAHUAbAB0AC4AYQBzAHAAeAAsl ashAFIAZQB0AHUAcgBuAFUAcgBsAD0ATAB3AEIARQBBAEcAVQB BAFoAZwBCAGgAQQBIAFUAQQBiAEEAQgAwAEEAQwA0AEEAWQBRA EIAegBBAEgAQQBBAGUAQQBBAHMAbABhAHMAaABBAEgAQQBBAFA AUQBBAHgAQQBEAEkAQQBPAEEAQQB6AEEARABNAEEA)


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Actually, not speculation at all. Myself and a small group of citizens organized and published TakeBackTrosperPark.com. There we began pointing out the names and occupations of well connected Oklahoman's arrested at the park but never prosecuted and documenting the public lewd acts and the volume of used condoms, drug needles and porn in the area. We also made the city aware of our intent to place live streaming cameras in the park. A person with the city then assured us 'steps were being planned that should greatly impact the criminal activity in the park by next summer.' Lo and behold the next summer the city is tearing up the street and parking lot.

When the city was challenged on their reply that the road and parking lot removals were simply the result of there being too many roads and parking spaces in the park - they admitted they had not done any traffic studies at all to reach that conclusion and the existing roads and parking areas were not in need of immediate repair.

That's not speculation, that's results.

My apoligizes, but Mr. Bates is dead wrong on this one. He's just trying to drum up more support for his cause/website. The improvements in progress at Tropser were in the planning stages when I retired from the Parks Department, in March of 2006.

My apoligizes, but Mr. Bates is dead wrong on this one. He's just trying to drum up more support for his cause/website. The improvements in progress at Tropser were in the planning stages when I retired from the Parks Department, in March of 2006.



Dead wrong about what exactly? Hmmm, excuse me but the website you think I'm "drummming up support for" was taken down when the city assured us they were taking steps to improve the safety at the park. Additionally, the crimes which we speak of, have been occurring long before 2006 so it only stands to reason the 'plans' you speak of could have been in the works for years.

I find it funny some people obviously let any bias they may have effect their ability to read. I never claimed to be the reason the improvements were being made. I simply pointed out their is a long history of criminal activity at the park and that I had tried to address it at one time.

Lets say the changes have nothing to do with criminal activity at the park - please explain how spending thousands of dollars to remove perfectly good roads and parking spaces 'improved the park.' Especially considering those roads and parking spaces were usually occupied most every day.

Dead wrong about what exactly? Hmmm, excuse me but the website you think I'm "drummming up support for" was taken down when the city assured us they were taking steps to improve the safety at the park. Additionally, the crimes which we speak of, have been occurring long before 2006 so it only stands to reason the 'plans' you speak of could have been in the works for years.

I find it funny some people obviously let any bias they may have effect their ability to read. I never claimed to be the reason the improvements were being made. I simply pointed out their is a long history of criminal activity at the park and that I had tried to address it at one time.

Lets say the changes have nothing to do with criminal activity at the park - please explain how spending thousands of dollars to remove perfectly good roads and parking spaces 'improved the park.' Especially considering those roads and parking spaces were usually occupied most every day.


Perfectly Good Roads and parking spaces that were usually ocuiped most everyday, Man, are you clueless.

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Perfectly Good Roads and parking spaces that were usually ocuiped most everyday, Man, are you clueless.

"Cluseless" - about what? I drive past that park twice a day at least for many years. Every time, and I do mean EVERY TIME, there were cars driving the road they took out and always 3-10 cars parked in the parking areas removed. Nothing clueless about that.

The only way you could argue any different is if you were a regular at that park and on those streets - if so, speak up - if not, then stick to what you know.

"Cluseless" - about what? I drive past that park twice a day at least for many years. Every time, and I do mean EVERY TIME, there were cars driving the road they took out and always 3-10 cars parked in the parking areas removed. Nothing clueless about that.

The only way you could argue any different is if you were a regular at that park and on those streets - if so, speak up - if not, then stick to what you know.

Your the one that claimed you know how much/often the roads and parking areas are used. As a 28 year (retired) employee of the OKC Parks Department, I'd bet on my knowledge over yours any day.

Your the one that claimed you know how much/often the roads and parking areas are used. As a 28 year (retired) employee of the OKC Parks Department, I'd bet on my knowledge over yours any day.

You proved your lack of knowledge when you made obviously false assertions regarding my motives (ie support for a website that doesn't even exist).

Unlike you, my claims were actually prefaced with a foundation - the fact I drive by the location in questions 2-4 times each and every day. I don't have to be a retired OKC Parks Department employee to make that simple observation.

Finally, nothing you have asserted disproves the 'improvements' were made to lessen the criminal activity at the park.

Let me guess, you probably also assert the fact that the walking trails were fenced off, bathrooms padlocked and pavilions fenced in and locked also had nothing to do with the fact there have been at least 2 murders, and literally hundreds of arrests over the years for crimes ranging from rape, robbery, drugs and public lewdness. Because naturally denying the public access to these features was deemed 'business as usual' by the parks department.

I wouldn't go flying that Parks Dept flag too high. I've caught 4 parks employees over the years with prostitutes while on the job. The latest is on video taking a hooker into the pool maintenance shed prior to the pool being bulldozed at 36th and Robinson. The one before that took a hooker into a building at the ball parks on South Western and the river. The city employee before that is on tape telling me he wasn't looking for sex from the hooker I just caught him with but was instead looking to buy crack from her.

What I don't get is why you'd even question if the changes were done to make the park safer. It's obviously a good thing and like anything the city does it probably had to be planned for years.

You proved your lack of knowledge when you made obviously false assertions regarding my motives (ie support for a website that doesn't even exist).

What>?!??!? Are you saying now that you don't currently promote a website and yourself as a crusader against prostitution. What about JohnTV that I was pretty sure you either ran or at least were heavily featured on. You are a HUGE self promoter and this thread is a perfect example of that. The fact you are claiming to not be taking credit for all of these things is just laughable. You clearly started this thread, and got yourself (for some reason) a piece on Ch 25 News, for the purpose of taking credit for these renovations. To put it in your words, "That's not speculation, that's results.". What I think you aren't understanding here is that nearly everyone on this board, myself included, is opposed to prostitution, drug dealing, etc going on in public parks. However, I pay the police, and other entities to enforce these laws. I do not support what amounts to a sanctimonious pervert, roaming around my city, sniffing out people in compromising, desperate, and embarrassing situations and profitting from their sadness and hardship. There are a lot of nonprofits doing respectable work to curb prostitution and to try and help people whose lives have been hurt by it. There are also law enforcement officers who deal with these crimes, every day in a law abiding and respetable manor. You however, are completely un-necessary. You are an ambulance chaser, a profiteer and a disgrace. I'm not claiming that those improvements have nothing to do with the illicit trade going on in the park. I AM claiming that you were not to credit for it, and that you are only a few steps up from a prostitute yourself. Who is more pathetic, a prostitute, desperately doing what they need to do to survive and in many cases feed their family. Or a moralistic middle class white man, who can be doing any number of jobs, making a career out of following around people with hard lives and desperate situations, to make himself in to some kind of hero. Get a life man, for real, why don't you try actually contributing to society instead of profiting off of it's weakest members.

Bravo! Bravo! You stand so tall while hiding so meekly as a nameless, faceless, spineless, critic.

In reality, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. For without the critics (especially the over the top pathetic anonymous ones like yourself) I couldn't do what I do.

Brian, keep doing what your doing. I have MUCHO respect for you and the great things your doing and have done in the past for our communities.

Brian, keep doing what your doing. I have MUCHO respect for you and the great things your doing and have done in the past for our communities.

Thanks diggyba - but no sense making yourself a target for the trolls.

I went back and re-read this thread to try and see where it jumped the tracks.

In the original posting I did my best to keep myself or past activism efforts directed towards Trosper Park out of the conversation. But, I was immediately challenged/questioned as to why I had not focused on that area. So, by providing additional FACTS to address those questions I made myself a target for trolls.

In reality, people with bias's read what they want to read, regardless of the truth (and yes, I apply that standard to myself to).

I think we can all agree that Trosper Park has a very long reputation of being a place with high crime and the persistent presence of acts of public lewdness. Obviously the city knows of this reputation and has spent thousands of our tax dollars to try and improve the situation and overall condition of the park.

I think we can also agree that the latest changes should only serve to improve the park regardless if the acknowledged intent was to discourage the public lewdness.

If EBAH and RCjunkie became offended and/or annoyed because they thought I was taking credit for any changes at the park, I apologize. Do I think my efforts had some impact, sure, but to what degree I have no idea or concern.

Bravo! Bravo! You stand so tall while hiding so meekly as a nameless, faceless, spineless, critic.

In reality, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. For without the critics (especially the over the top pathetic anonymous ones like yourself) I couldn't do what I do.


You mean like that pay to film problem you experienced!!!!!

rcjunkie, you're making it obvious that Brian had once caught you in the act....somewhere. Now, this is something that I am 100% convinced base on your aggression toward Brian.

rcjunkie, you're making it obvious that Brian had once caught you in the act....somewhere. Now, this is something that I am 100% convinced base on your aggression toward Brian.

You're just as clueless, and ignorant as he, all he's doing is using OKC talk to get free publicity, prostitution is wrong, it exploits women, just as he did when he paid for information.

I must apologize, Brian, for some of my rhetoric, I didn't have to be heavy handed. I do agree with all I said, but I could've gone about it in a different way. I will say, I am only anonymous because that is how this forum is. But, I would be more than happy to tell you who I am, I am certainly not ashamed of my feelings about the work you do. I do agree that prostitution is a horrible and unfortunate problem. However, I am often upset with your methods. I, like you, reread the thread, and I think that I may have been a little extreme in my condemnation. So, for the record, I still hate your work, but I'm sorry for being such a jerk about it.

This thread needs to go in a different area.

I hate attention whores...... for all we know all those needles and condoms could have been planted for taping. It's not the 1st time this clown has set things up to promote himself.