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06-01-2005, 11:32 PM
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Pete
06-02-2005, 12:14 PM
Downtown airpark is quiet

By Julie Bisbee
The Oklahoman

Pot roast lunch specials and sweet tea still were being served at the Air Park Cafe on Wednesday, a day after the owners of the Downtown Airpark told employees not to come back to work.

The offices of the airpark’s owner Dave Amis III remained locked, and staff at the cafe fielded questions about the future of the airpark, at 1701 S Western, adding more questions of their own.

Kay Lundy’s mother opened the cafe adjacent to the runway in 1954 and has shared a building with Downtown Airpark’s offices since then. She doesn’t know what will happen to her restaurant and declined to comment on its future.

Hangars that once were brimming with airplanes and maintenance workers were shuttered and the runway southwest of Oklahoma City’s downtown was quiet.

At Downtown Airpark’s corporate jet offices at the Clarence E. Page Municipal Airport near Yukon, doors were locked and employees were gathering their belongings. They, too, were told the money had run out and they would no longer have jobs.

After layoffs in March, fewer than 50 people were working at both of Downtown Airpark’s facilities. Amis, whose grandfather W.D. “Bill” Amis along with Dean A. McGee opened the airpark in 1947, said the hits the aviation industry took after the 9/11 terrorist attacks hurt his business.

“We tried to stick it out, and we made a gallant go of it,” Amis said. “But this is just the normal cycle of business, some make it and others don’t. It was pretty hard to let those guys go yesterday. I hope they all end up on their feet.”

Meanwhile, airplane owners who store their planes at the airport on Western are looking for new space. Landings and takeoffs at the airport will continue, but pilots will have to fly to another airport to refuel.

Auxiliary business at the airport also will be searching for a new location. Dennis Kirkpatrick, the son of the founder of Kirkpatrick Electronics said the closing of maintenance operations at the Downtown Airpark leaves his avionics installation and repair business hanging in the balance.

“There’s a lot of uncertainty,” Kirkpatrick said. “We’re not sure what we’re going to do. We’ve been out here 35 years, this is a family business.”

Over the years, Downtown Airpark has experienced financial woes and has been sued by vendors and aircraft leasing agencies for nonpayment of debts.

As of Tuesday, the company had not paid the $3,529 rent payment on its office at Clarence E. Page, which is owned the by the city of Oklahoma City. The company has been a tenant there since 1995 and has a lease on the office building and two hangars through 2010, said Luther Trent, director of the Oklahoma City Airport Authority.

Trent said his office has not received word that Downtown Airpark plans to leave the facilities at Clarence E. Page. Amis said he and his family have not decided what they will do next.

“This has been quite a 48 hours for my dad and me. This business has been in our family for 58 years,” Amis said. “We’re just sitting back taking a breather and not making a decision when we are emotional and stressed.”

Property records at the Oklahoma County Assessor’s office show that land is worth at least $1.4 million. The property adjoins the Oklahoma River and is near more than $52 million of new dams, trails, landscaping and parks meant to make the river a scenic waterway.

A master plan for the Oklahoma River says the airpark could be developed into housing. The airpark is about a mile from the new Dell sales and service center that is expected to employ up to 3,000 people.



City's downtown airport ends some operations Landings, takeoffs to continue, owner says

By Steve Lackmeyer and Julie Bisbee
The Oklahoman

Maintenance and refurbishment operations ceased Tuesday at the Oklahoma City Downtown Airpark, but the owner says landings and takeoffs will be allowed to continue until further notice.

The Oklahoman has learned the shutdown leaves up to 75 people unemployed.

Dave Amis III, airpark owner, confirmed the closing but did not disclose how many people were losing their jobs.

"It's an emotional deal; it's painful," Amis said.

The park, 1701 S Western Ave., was opened by W.D. "Bill" Amis with backing from oil exploration pioneer Dean A. McGee in 1947. Back in the heyday of the early 1980s oil boom, business at the park topped $20 million. As recently as the mid-1990s, the airpark employed more than 140 people. A former employee who asked not to be identified said the airpark employed about 75 people as of late 2004.

The airpark's operations included maintenance and refurbishment on several different types of airplanes, including the Aero Commander, King Air, and other piston and turbine powered aircraft, including helicopters.

The helicopter unit for the Oklahoma City Police Department is based at the airpark. The maintenance center also performed periodic checks on airplanes required by the Federal Aviation Administration.

Property records at the Oklahoma County Assessor's office indicate the land is worth at least $1.4 million.

Amis said Tuesday business has been much slower but declined to provide further details of the airpark's financial situation.

State airport inspection reports show that the airport reported 7,500 landings and takeoffs from March 2003 to March 2004. That number is up 500 from the previous year.

The airpark adjoins the Oklahoma River and is south of downtown. Over the past several years Oklahoma City and U.S. Army Corps of Engineers have spent more than $52 million on three new dams, trails, landscaping and parks aimed at turning the river into a scenic waterway.

A master plan for the Oklahoma River indicates the airpark could be redeveloped eventually into housing. The airpark is within a mile of a new Dell sales and service center expected to employ up to 3,000.

Its proximity to downtown also makes it a convenient airport for pilots, said Lynn Pinson, airport inspector for the Oklahoma Aeronautics Commission.

"It's a handy airport for people going to downtown or the Ford Center," Pinson said.

"You can grab a taxi and be there in minutes. It would have a significant impact if it were to go."

Amis said he has no immediate plans for redevelopment of the property.

"There are so many wide-eyed plans for what could go on out there," Amis said.

tomokc
06-09-2005, 11:39 PM
Any pilot or passenger who has flown into or out of Downtown Airpark will attest to the "pucker factor" during takeoffs and landings, and it's not the downtown buildings. There are canals at either end, dense neighborhoods and vertical obstacles, so mistakes are very unforgiving. Even though fixed-wing operations are rumored to be ending soon (the I-40 realignment will move the highway too close to the approach end of RWY 16), the OCPD helicopters will still use it. But what will become of the site? Any guesses?

BricktownGuy
01-09-2006, 08:51 PM
I did not see this posted anywhere in OKCTalk, yet.


Bidding expected to help airpark pay debts

By Julie Bisbee and Steve Lackmeyer
Business Writers Sat January 7, 2006

Speculators interested in turning the acreage of a defunct airpark into a riverfront development got a nod Friday from a state judge overseeing the foreclosure case of the Downtown Airpark.


Judge Daniel Owens approved a motion that allows prospective buyers to make bids on the 80.6 acres of land just west of downtown Oklahoma City to help pay off the debts of Downtown Airpark Inc.

The corporation owes more than $5 million to creditors, with its largest creditor being the Archer Trust, a California-based trust.

Downtown Airpark Inc. was owned by contractor David Amis III and river front development consultant Pat Downes when it ran into financial difficulties.

Records show Archer Trust registered to a California address bought by Titanic producer James Cameron in June 2004.

An attorney for the Archer Trust refused to comment on the pending litigation.

Court filings show that the Downtown Airpark failed to pay four mortgages including a $650,000 loan from Suzy Amis Cameron, Amis' sister and Cameron's wife.

According to the Oklahoma Department of Labor, Downtown Airpark also owes $193,287.12 to employees who lost their jobs when the airpark closed in May.

In June, the court appointed David Rhoades as the receiver in the case. Since then, the airpark's assets and inventory have been sold.

Rhoades said he expects the sale of the land, a prime location for continued downtown development, to be lucrative.

"There is a lot of interest," he said. "I think we will get enough to pay off the taxes and the mortgage."

Court records show Rhoades has fielded at least a dozen inquiries on the airpark -- most of them involving plans to convert it into housing. Past inquires also have included a member of the Seminole Nation who expressed an interest in turning the airport into a casino.

Those confirming they are still interested in the property include former Oklahoma City Mayor Kirk Humphreys and his sons, Grant and Blair, and Howard Pollack, who promotes shows at the Zoo Amphitheater and Farmer's Market.

Neither Humphreys or Pollack would say what they might do with the property -- though court documents show Pollack proposed building an entertainment complex.

Other inquiries include a pitch by Tom Parrish to develop the area into "Hispanic housing."

Records show Rhoades also was contacted by developer Richard Tanenbaum, whose downtown area residential projects include The Montgomery, The Classen and the Park Harvey Apartments, and Bert Belanger, who along with Anthony McDermid and Pat Garrett are developing the Triangle town center project.

McDermid confirmed Belanger contacted Rhoades, but they are not bidding for the airpark. Tanenbaum said he lost interest after concluding the property's financial affairs were "all messed up."

David Bohanon with Blackstone Commercial Reality, and former publisher and development consultant James Durocher confirmed they too contacted Rhoades about buying the airpark, but are not placing bids at this time.

More sales inquiries listed by Rhoades included a person identified as Jenov Igochan, broker Gerald Gamble and Norman contractor Gail Armstrong. The three could not be reached for comment Friday. The airpark, which included hangar space and an aircraft maintenance facility, shut down May 31. Airplanes stored at the hangar had to be removed by Aug. 31. The airpark was started in 1947 by W.D. "Bill" Amis and Dean A. McGee. The landing strip was ideal for pilots wanting to be close to the downtown area. Members of the Amis family say a loss of business after the 2001 terrorist attacks hit them hard, but court records show financial difficulties began earlier. Jim Hasenbeck, a partner with Studio Architecture who did the master plan for the Oklahoma River, has said the airpark site is a prime development spot because of its view of the downtown skyline and proximity to the new Interstate 40 Crosstown Expressway.

metro
01-10-2006, 10:29 AM
Thanks for posting this article and not creating a duplicate thread on topics that have previously been discussed.

Patrick
01-10-2006, 01:41 PM
Hmmm...sounds like a good idea for the airport. We have plenty of regional airports. I'd love to see this airpark turned into a nice development close to the Oklahoma River. How about a museum honoring the great aviation folks from the past? Will Rogers? Wiley Post? Clarence E. Page? Once central aviation museum. Can include history about Tinker and its relationship to OKC, history of aviation in Oklahoma, etc. Aviation Hall of Fame? Any takers?

Or we could always sell it to Harrah's and start our strip of casinos on the river.

metro
02-03-2006, 09:51 AM
Mixed-use project planned for former airpark

By Steve Lackmeyer
The Oklahoman

Developers' $7.2 million bid accepted
A casino is out and mixed-use development is in for the former Downtown Airpark after a winning $7.2 million bid Thursday by developer Grant Humphreys.

Humphreys, whose partners include his brother Blair and father, former Mayor Kirk Humphreys, said Thursday they are buying the airpark because of its proximity to downtown, the Oklahoma River and the realigned Interstate 40 Crosstown Expressway, and they will block any attempts to turn it into a casino.

"In the next four years, as the I-40 realignment becomes a reality, this property will become a critical component of the river's redevelopment," Grant Humphreys said. "We're big believers in downtown's continued growth and success."

Receiver David Rhoades, appearing in Oklahoma County District Court on Thursday, recommended the bid over others that included parties interested in developing the 81-acre property into a tribal casino. Rhoades said the Humphreys bid was chosen because it met "all the rules" and not because of development plans.

"The deal was to accept the highest and best," Rhoades said. "There were certain rules that the judge set forth in the order. Some of the people didn't comply with the judge's rules -- they either didn't put cash up front or didn't have a contract that was acceptable."

Rhoades said a closing will occur within 30 to 45 days -- and added he has no concerns the deal won't be completed. The Humphreyses and partner Robbie Aduddell, whose family owns Aduddell Roofing, submitted a $100,000 check and signed a contract as part of their winning bid.

"They're solid," Rhoades said.

The Downtown Airpark closed in May and went into foreclosure owing "in excess of $7 million" to creditors, including actress Suzy Amis and a trust connected to James Cameron, Amis' husband and producer of the movie "Titanic."

Downtown Airpark Inc. was owned by contractor David Amis III and riverfront development consultant Pat Downes when it ran into financial difficulties.

The property is along the west side of Western Avenue and the south shore of the Oklahoma River. After the realignment of I-40, Western will be the only "full diamond" intersection in downtown, meaning east- and west-bound can both enter and exit the interstate at Western Avenue. Highway mitigation plans include creation of a large green space on the north side of the river adjacent to the airpark.

"We became interested in the property because of its great views of the downtown skyline and prime riverfront location," Aduddell said. "It's by far the biggest single development site in close proximity to downtown."

Grant Humphreys said they envision a mixed-use master-planned development that could include offices, housing, hotels and retail. He said a master planner will be hired within the next year.

Blair and Grant Humphreys promised a casino won't be a part of the development.

"We believe that a corporate anchored mixed-use development will be the highest and best use for the property," Blair Humphreys said. "This will build on the success of MAPS and be another boost to the momentum of downtown Oklahoma City."

Pete
02-03-2006, 10:00 AM
This fantastic news.

It seems there is new development for downtown and the surrounding area every week now.


I wonder when out of state developers will jump in?

Pete
02-03-2006, 10:20 AM
Here's an aerial of the property (I think the acquisition includes the undeveloped parcels to the east)...

Anything built there will have great views of downtown:

http://mysite.verizon.net/res17zef/airpark.jpg

BDP
02-03-2006, 11:15 AM
That's a great spot for this.

I am beginning to wonder though what the limit is for so-called "mixed use" development. It seems this could just dilute these efforts in downtown. I'm not knocking it, but I would like to see somone propose something that hasn't been proposed before. That would be a great location for a boardwalk type development.

jbrown84
02-04-2006, 12:38 AM
Grant Humphreys said they envision a mixed-use master-planned development that could include offices, housing, hotels and retail. He said a master planner will be hired within the next year.

Sounds excellent to me. Could be a great place for a major hotel. And there's nothing saying this can't include a boardwalk type retail development. I'm pleased with Humphreys Block 42 and i'm very optimistic about this.

floater
02-04-2006, 01:12 AM
Engaging park space, one or two residential towers, and some supportive residential retail would be nice there. I agree with BDP that office space would be tricky competing with downtown. Would it be considered CBD? Or South? I like that the Humphreys are leading it.

Nuclear_2525
02-04-2006, 11:54 AM
This is what Portland is building on the river that runs through their city...

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bwnw.com/Images/Projects/Meriwether.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bwnw.com/Projects_B30.htm&h=475&w=708&sz=129&tbnid=nkqHsxqSnECdKM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=138&hl=en&start=23&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dportland%2Bsouth%2Bwaterfront%26start %3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

I remember seeing the concept sketches they came up with a few years ago, almost seemed out of reach, but it's actually happenening now.

Also, read their plan for the entire waterfront. It shows the masterplan for the separate areas. Kind of puts OKC's and Tulsa's masterplans to shame.

http://www.portlandonline.com/shared/cfm/image.cfm?id=86273

floater
02-04-2006, 02:26 PM
That's a nice plan for Portland. I still like ours done by Studio Architecture. I still look forward to seeing this project come to life. If this project is conceived with the same sensibilities as Block 42, I think we're in for a treat.

I hope the authority remembers that the river is a natural resource first and a development opportunity second; and that Humphreys et al will follow the standard set by the Cheseapeake Boathouse.

brianinok
02-04-2006, 03:22 PM
What plan was done by Studio Architecture? I sure like to see it.

floater
02-04-2006, 03:42 PM
What plan was done by Studio Architecture? I sure like to see it.

Courtesy of Luke at #14:

http://www.okctalk.com/okc-metro-area-talk/5315-more-needed-along-river.html?highlight=river+plan

BG918
02-05-2006, 04:14 PM
I really like this plan.

http://homepage.mac.com/swooshou/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/riverplan/slide0125_image062.jpg

windowphobe
02-05-2006, 06:56 PM
Now that's impressive.

BG918
02-05-2006, 07:26 PM
I think it's interesting that it says CO-OP ICONS. Are those really considered icons, or something worth saving?

About the airpark though, this could be the first major implementation of the River Plan shown above. Good examples of successful urban airpark conversions include the Stapleton development in Denver and the Mueller development in Austin.

Pete
02-06-2006, 08:42 AM
Local group offers winning bid for old Downtown Airpark
by Brandice J. Armstrong
The Journal Record
2/6/2006

OKLAHOMA CITY - Aduddell-Gibraltar Partners LLC offered the winning bid of $7.2 million for the former Downtown Airpark at the Oklahoma County District Court on Thursday. The closing is expected to happen within 30 days.

Managed by Grant Humphreys, the group is composed of the principals of Aduddell Cos. and Gibraltar Investments.

The 81-acre riverfront property just south of the Oklahoma River and west of Western Avenue will be held for three to five years while Interstate 40 is realigned and owners decide on a master plan, Grant Humphreys said.

"We believe that a corporate anchored mixed-use development will be the highest and best use for the property," partner Blair Humphreys said.

Robbie Aduddell, partner in the purchasing group, agreed.

"With over 80 acres, a quarter of a mile of river frontage and great access to the new interstate, this is the best location for the next Dell," he said. "Our city is definitely on the map for growth and economic development."

The group is also considering a restaurant row and hotel, Grant Humphreys said.

Once the realignment is complete, Western Avenue will have the only "full diamond" intersection in downtown Oklahoma City, which means both east- and west-bound traffic can enter and exit the interstate at Western Avenue.

Downtown Airpark Inc., which was composed of W.D. Amis Jr., W.D. Amis III and Pat Downes, who had a small interest, owned the property prior to Aduddell-Gibraltar Partners. In May, the airpark closed and Downtown Airpark Inc. faced financial challenges, owing more than $7 million to creditors.

Downes, who is also the director of development for the Oklahoma City Riverfront Redevelopment Authority, had only positive things to say about the acquisition.

"(They are) solid, civic-minded and visionary in their approach," he said. "I think for such a parcel to be owned by a local interest is such a real benefit. They understand the importance of protecting and building on that public investment. It creates jobs, stimulates the economy and revitalizes a largely ignored and, in some sectors, a blighted part of town."

John
02-06-2006, 08:48 AM
Are those really considered icons, or something worth saving?

No. Once 40 is relocated, that land will become quite a bit more valuable and the eyesores will be moved elsewhere.

I think it will be interesting to see the development between the current downtown/bricktown and the new 40 and along the 'boulevard'.

Pete
02-06-2006, 12:13 PM
I had previously proposed that the co-op area be razed and made ready for a stadium or higher and better use, but many on this site seemed to want to save it through adaptive reuse.

I've always thought it was an eyesore and that it leaves a bad impression of OKC and was surprised that so many felt differently.

However, I can certainly understand the hesitation to tear anything down after the massive mistakes the city made in the 60's and 70's.

brianinok
02-06-2006, 12:30 PM
That looks like a great master plan. I just hope that at least some of it get implemented, and it all doesn't get hokey-ed up.

BG918
02-07-2006, 02:27 AM
I will be anxious to see a master plan for the downtown boulevard that will replace I-40. This is a tremendous opportunity for the city to create a high traffic artery through downtown that is also very urban in scale with lanes on each side dedicated to on-street parking, extensive landscaping, wide sidewalks, and numerous retail businesses. It already will have the theater along it and the Ford Center as well, there could be a lot of infill in between those two and beyond towards the derelict lower end of the Arts District.

metro
02-07-2006, 08:09 AM
You can see the master plan. I'm not sure if anyone has posted it on this site but I believe you can find it on COTPA's or DOT's website.

Pete
04-06-2006, 07:58 AM
Airpark development may include river reroute: Downtown OKC property stands to gain value if plan proceeds

by Brian Brus
The Journal Record
4/6/2006

OKLAHOMA CITY - Developers may seek to divert Oklahoma River water to the former Downtown Airpark to enhance its value, investment group partner and former Mayor Kirk Humphreys said.

"It could involve modifications to the river," Humphreys said. "Basically, you'd try to do whatever you can to get the maximum value and utilization out of it.

"But our plans are not firm," he said. "And the land will not come into play until the highway moves. And that's when it'll really start to realize its value."

In February, Aduddell-Gibraltar Partners LLC placed the winning bid of $7.2 million for the 81-acre airpark property. Last year the airpark was closed and put into receivership after Downtown Airpark Inc. faced financial challenges, owing more than $7 million to creditors.

The new investment partnership is composed of Aduddell Cos. and Gibraltar Investments, headed by Grant Humphreys. His brother Blair and father, Kirk Humphreys, also are involved in the deal.

Kirk Humphreys said he expects environmental-impact studies on the area to be ready for review within a few weeks, with closing on the deal to follow shortly thereafter. Developers will weigh options for the land then, he said.

"Who knows what direction it could take?" Humphreys said. "We haven't even hired a planning firm yet."

Pat Downes, who had a small interest in the property when it was turned over for sale, said river diversion or the creation of an inlet from the river nearby was explored in the conceptual master plan originally published by the River Development Trust.

"It shows an architect's rendering of what that property might look like with water features brought onto the property itself," said Downes, who is also director of development for the Oklahoma City Riverfront Redevelopment Authority.

"They've acknowledged the existence of the concept," Downes said when asked if developers had approached him about possible river diversion. "But nobody has said, 'We're going to go do X, Y or Z.' I don't think they're there yet."

As an example of one possible outcome, Downes pointed to the inlet created near the Chesapeake Energy-sponsored boathouse near the Bricktown Canal. He said such construction off the river "is a fairly simple process."

"I know they're discussing some possibilities," Downes said. "I suspect they're thinking about those opportunities."

Oklahoma County assessor's office records show much of the airpark lies in Federal Emergency Management Agency's 100-year floodplain zone. Such FEMA-defined boundaries describe zones of the probability of water covering an area within a particular period - a 100-year floodplain means that historical records show a 1-percent probability of flooding each year.

Downes and Kirk Humphreys both said the park was not in the 100-year floodplain. Assessor's records, which are based on FEMA data, show otherwise. Humphreys said the construction of river dams in recent years would likely change those zones.

The Oklahoma City Zoological Park was founded at the site and was moved to NE 50th Street because of flooding problems in the early 1920s before the Army Corps of Engineers straightened the river. The airpark was built later.

City Manager Jim Couch said city officials would be open to a proposal to somehow divert river water to development.

"We'd work with them on that. We think that could be an amenity to the river, if they'd like to do that," Couch said. "I have talked with Kirk (Humphreys) about it, his development, but that particular option was not discussed."

Downes said, "Typically by adding shoreline, you add value. But you have to be careful how much money you spend creating that shoreline. In general, waterfront property has a higher value than not waterfront."

Downes said residential or commercial development, "along the waterfront with views of the Oklahoma City skyline across the water, would be a very attractive development model."

Grant Humphreys said earlier that the property would likely be held without development for three to five years while Interstate 40 is realigned.

Patrick
04-06-2006, 10:35 AM
I'm not sure if I like this idea. Seems like anyone and everyone could then divert water away from the river to increase the value of their property. If Humphreys wants development on the river, he needs to buy property on the river.

jbrown84
04-07-2006, 06:12 PM
The property is on the river. He just wants to divert it further inland.

HOT ROD
04-10-2006, 06:43 PM
I think this is stupid. Why dont they do something big time, instead of trying to cannibalize off of MAPS with small time this and that.

I get so tired of hearing, "we will divert the MAPS this and that" at the indirect expense of the taxpayer. Whilst we may not be directly paying for it, nothing would have ever happened or been attractive without MAPS - so why doesnt MAPS drive the development and not the other way around???

It just seems like Humphreys, et al (OKC developers) just wanna strike it rich instead of bringing quality big city development to OKC - something that could be built upon!!

ETL
07-21-2006, 01:32 PM
What is the Downtown Airpark?

metro
07-21-2006, 02:33 PM
It was a private airport just south of the Oklahoma River. It was mainly used by executives and businesses to serve the downtown area. It has had major financial trouble the past few years after 911. Last year it had to close down and it was bought by Grant Humphrey's and crew. They plan on making mixed used development on the property. If you do a search, you should be able to find some more info on this. Just go back to the main part of this forum and search for downtown airpark.

ETL
07-21-2006, 05:49 PM
Thanks:spin:

Doug Loudenback
06-14-2007, 11:38 AM
If interested, I've done a blog article on the history of Downtown Airpark ...

Doug Dawgz Blog: Downtown Airpark (http://dougdawg.blogspot.com/2007/06/downtown-airpark.html)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/airports/airpark01s.jpg

It tells the story of the airpark's beginning and end and some interesting things in between ... like a 19 year old pilot's near-collision with the 1st National Bank Tower, drug busts, etc. Largely, it summarizes what I found in the Oklahoman's archives. The audience is "history junkies!"

Rifleman2C
06-14-2007, 11:57 AM
Doug,

Outstanding article! Not too short... not too long... yet enough information to help us remember the life of a minor instituition that most folks in OKC basically ignored.

I guess that makes me a 'history junkie' then...

warreng88
12-15-2009, 11:42 AM
Here is an old thread on it:

http://www.okctalk.com/okc-metro-area-talk/12735-humphreys-ferris-wheel.html

If you look at page 7, there are renderings.

USG '60
12-15-2009, 01:55 PM
Thanks. After looking things over I see the Waterfront Project on Humphries' website is "down". What does that mean, ya reckon?

warreng88
12-15-2009, 02:33 PM
Thanks. After looking things over I see the Waterfront Project on Humphries' website is "down". What does that mean, ya reckon?

Not sure where you saw that. Did you visit this site?

The Humphreys Company (http://www.humphreysco.com/#/projects/the-waterfront/)

betts
12-15-2009, 02:42 PM
I met him once a couple of years ago, and of course, being a snoop, asked about the downtown airport. He told me that the project was still years away from initiation. I'm not sure what "years away" meant, but I got the feeling it wasn't going to be anytime in the near future.

Midtowner
12-15-2009, 02:44 PM
New FHA requirements for condo builders make it very difficult for condominium projects to be financed without a huge amount of money paid up front. Financing, therefore, has become a major stumbling block for these projects and has the capability of pretty much putting them all on hold for the foreseeable future.

(or so I'm told)

warreng88
12-15-2009, 03:51 PM
New FHA requirements for condo builders make it very difficult for condominium projects to be financed without a huge amount of money paid up front. Financing, therefore, has become a major stumbling block for these projects and has the capability of pretty much putting them all on hold for the foreseeable future.

(or so I'm told)

That's pretty accurate Mid. There are people still lending money, it's just that their standards are getting higher due to the housing crash. My bank used to do commercial loans at 80% and that 20% could be equity in other properties. Now it is 70% with 30% cash down. It seems like there are a lot of banks still lending, you just have to have the cash to put into it.

USG '60
12-15-2009, 04:48 PM
Not sure where you saw that. Did you visit this site?

The Humphreys Company (http://www.humphreysco.com/#/projects/the-waterfront/)

Yes, at the time the tab for Waterfront was inactive. It now seems to be OK.

Brandon Rush
05-27-2010, 11:00 AM
Driven by it a few times in recent weeks, and noticed that the Downtown Airpark on Western is seemingly non-operational with the exception of the OCPD or Sherriffs office helicopter

is this property for sale, or is it a victim of the i-40 relocation?

Spartan
05-27-2010, 11:05 AM
Sold and bought by local developer Grant Humphreys. Planned mixed-use development: The Waterfront, should break ground closer to I-40 completion.

So yes, I suppose a victim of I-40 relocation...

rcjunkie
05-27-2010, 11:40 AM
Conspiracy comments in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1,. Even though this property was sold at auction (and anyone could have bid/bought said property), it's just a matter of time before the postings start about how this was done under the table or illegally, just because it was bought by the son of OKC's former Mayor.

metro
05-27-2010, 12:20 PM
There is several old threads on this, the project is on hold until Core 2 Shore gets underway and the economy pics up. Here is just one rendering of what it may look like.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/martymcflyjb/Picture22-1.png

I highly suggest you go to their website and dig up the old threads as the plans are very facinating and the Humphrey's have a good track record.

Spartan
05-27-2010, 01:00 PM
Conspiracy comments in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1,. Even though this property was sold at auction (and anyone could have bid/bought said property), it's just a matter of time before the postings start about how this was done under the table or illegally, just because it was bought by the son of OKC's former Mayor.

If you don't love the Humphreys family, you're just anti-OKC.

earlywinegareth
05-27-2010, 02:03 PM
It would make a good site for an NFL stadium. :dizzy:

SoonerBent
05-27-2010, 02:10 PM
It would make a good site for an NFL stadium. :dizzy:But then we'd have to move I-40 again. At least if my memory serves me at all. As I recall, the Cox Center, Ford Center, Bass Pro, etc., etc, etc. were built where they were to be easily in view of I-40. Now, part of the reason for relocating I-40 farther south is to move it away from same.

metro
05-27-2010, 02:11 PM
Good, pleaseeeeeeeeee move Bass Pro out of downtown, by all means. Move it to Memorial Rd. or I-35 somewhere.

Spartan
05-27-2010, 02:46 PM
But then we'd have to move I-40 again. At least if my memory serves me at all. As I recall, the Cox Center, Ford Center, Bass Pro, etc., etc, etc. were built where they were to be easily in view of I-40. Now, part of the reason for relocating I-40 farther south is to move it away from same.

You're right. It's ironic how paradigms change.. or how different paradigms coexist, rather, and triumph in different places (because I know an urban/sustainable paradigm isn't yet even close to predominating here).

kevinpate
05-27-2010, 04:08 PM
Good, pleaseeeeeeeeee move Bass Pro out of downtown, by all means. Move it to Memorial Rd. or I-35 somewhere.

Nah, BP is fine where it's at, over on the edge of BT with multiple waves of parking segregating it from most everything else of import. Moving it would just let some other even less suitable big box retail take over the spot.

It sort of fits with the other retail between there and Lincoln, as well as anything could I imagine.

metro
05-27-2010, 04:18 PM
Nah, BP is fine where it's at, over on the edge of BT with multiple waves of parking segregating it from most everything else of import. Moving it would just let some other even less suitable big box retail take over the spot.

It sort of fits with the other retail between there and Lincoln, as well as anything could I imagine.

No, moving it would allow us to learn from the past mistakes ( I think even city leaders now realize it was a mistake) and hopefully get a developer to put a real mixed use development.

betts
05-27-2010, 04:27 PM
No, moving it would allow us to learn from the past mistakes ( I think even city leaders now realize it was a mistake) and hopefully get a developer to put a real mixed use development.

While I don't love Bass Pro, shouldn't we table that as an option until we get closer in mixed use development? I'd like to see the sheet metal site developed first, and we're not even there yet.

BG918
05-27-2010, 04:27 PM
I just can't see this development happening like what is proposed. The area around it is very rundown and it's still a couple miles from downtown. Go over there sometime and drive through the neighborhoods around the airpark and ask yourself if you would want to live there.

lasomeday
05-27-2010, 04:29 PM
It probably won't happen for a while. I could see it slowly being implemented, but the Humphreys will do it right and won't cut corners like a lot of other developers.

kevinpate
05-27-2010, 04:32 PM
I just can't see this development happening like what is proposed. The area around it is very rundown and it's still a couple miles from downtown. Go over there sometime and drive through the neighborhoods around the airpark and ask yourself if you would want to live there.

The same could of been (and was) said of downtown, Bricktown, even certain pastures that became prime developments elsewhere in the metro. Most everything grand starts out as something that looked way less grand. Shoot, ya oughta see my early baby pictures sometime. fuuuuuuuuugly was moi.

rcjunkie
05-27-2010, 07:30 PM
I think this site would be perfect for some type of amusement park, amphitheater, etc:

Kerry
05-27-2010, 09:07 PM
No, moving it would allow us to learn from the past mistakes ( I think even city leaders now realize it was a mistake) and hopefully get a developer to put a real mixed use development.

Bass Pro is a mixed use development. They have both hunting and fishing.

BG918
05-27-2010, 10:39 PM
The same could of been (and was) said of downtown, Bricktown, even certain pastures that became prime developments elsewhere in the metro. Most everything grand starts out as something that looked way less grand. Shoot, ya oughta see my early baby pictures sometime. fuuuuuuuuugly was moi.

True, but would you want a condo in this area? Would you want to walk around the surrounding neighborhoods in the evening, or even during the day? What type of people are they marketing these towards, families, young professionals, retirees?

Mikemarsh51
05-27-2010, 10:45 PM
Say what you want, those rednecks are down there at Bass Pro Shop's stimulating the heck out of the economy!