View Full Version : New Downtown Art: Compass Rose



Doug Loudenback
03-31-2010, 05:18 PM
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/art/compassrose4s.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/art/compassrose4.jpg)

Click on the above for a larger view. I took the above pic when attending the LetsTalkTransit public meeting at city hall on March 29. I didn't know what it was then but the next day, March 30, city council approved a proposal to construct and place the above in the Bicentennial Park east of the Civic Center Music Hall and west of Walker. Reading this Oklahoman article (http://www.newsok.com/article/3450207?searched=compass%20rose&custom_click=search) put the pieces all together.

Click on the image for a larger view

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/art/compassrose3s.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/art/compassrose3.jpg)

A packet of materials was available near the Compass Rose model and I've scanned the packet and reported on the sculpture, to be completed sometime in 2011, in this brief blog article: Doug Dawgz Blog: Compass Rose (http://dougdawg.blogspot.com/2010/03/compass-rose.html)

Three of the packet's images, very nicely showing actual scenes with the sculpture inserted, are shown below ... click on images for larger views ... all the packet's images are in my blog article ...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/art/compassrose5s.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/art/compassrose5.jpg)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/art/compassrose2s.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/art/compassrose2.jpg)

Night view -- the sculpture includes LED lighting in the base

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/art/compassrose1s.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/art/compassrose1.jpg)

The $350,000 project is 100% funded by the Inasmuch Foundation, no dollars from the city. There's more information in my blog article if you want specifics.

I don't know about you, but I think this is really really cool!

fromdust
03-31-2010, 05:23 PM
ohhh..... i like.

circuitboard
03-31-2010, 05:26 PM
Love it!

sroberts24
03-31-2010, 05:42 PM
nice!

mheaton76
03-31-2010, 05:43 PM
Thumbs up!

progressiveboy
03-31-2010, 05:50 PM
This is great!

kevinpate
03-31-2010, 06:06 PM
Very nice. Thanks for the head's up.

Doug Loudenback
03-31-2010, 06:09 PM
It's interesting that this item just popped upon us, a done deal, with no fanfare, slipping under our collective radar. It's a nice, very nice, surprise, to be sure.

Urbanized
03-31-2010, 06:10 PM
I like it too. Somebody needs to hate it pretty soon though, or it doesn't count as art.

Doug Loudenback
03-31-2010, 06:20 PM
Oh, come on, Urbanized ... it just MAY BE POSSIBLE that a development, essentially presented as a gift to the city by the Inasmuch Foundation, which embraces a really cool design, has the capacity of escaping negative criticism and still be "art." I mean, what kid amongst us doesn't remember liking gyroscopes when we were young? My guess: None. We all liked gyroscopes. This piece of art strikes me as being a 30-foot diameter gyroscope. Maybe negative critiquers will chime in here, but my guess is that won't happen. It's just way tooo cool!

earlywinegareth
03-31-2010, 07:11 PM
Hey, that's the wormhole-making machine from the Jodie Foster movie, Contact. A word of caution - if it starts to spin and glow and make a high pitched whine, don't stand too close. :ohno:

Midtowner
03-31-2010, 07:15 PM
I haven't paid attention to that particular lawn lately. Did the fountain in front of City Hall get replaced?

adaniel
03-31-2010, 07:22 PM
Great statue, but it looks like something Lady Gaga would wear.

Actually.....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Monsterballtourgaga.png

Coincidence? I think not!

jbrown84
03-31-2010, 07:24 PM
Two thumbs up to this! Thanks for the announcement Doug.


I haven't paid attention to that particular lawn lately. Did the fountain in front of City Hall get replaced?

No it didn't. This is on the lawn between City Hall and the Civic Center Music Hall (Bicentennial Park).

The last rendering is a little confusing. It does appear to be city hall in the background, looking across Walker.

SkyWestOKC
03-31-2010, 07:32 PM
Looks good!

Architect2010
03-31-2010, 08:42 PM
Great statue, but it looks like something Lady Gaga would wear.

Actually.....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Monsterballtourgaga.png

Coincidence? I think not!

When I saw the sculpture at first, that suit of hers also came to mind!

I love it. Good addition to public art downtown!

Doug Loudenback
03-31-2010, 08:55 PM
Two thumbs up to this! Thanks for the announcement Doug.

No it didn't. This is on the lawn between City Hall and the Civic Center Music Hall (Bicentennial Park).

The last rendering is a little confusing. It does appear to be city hall in the background, looking across Walker.

Yes, the night view does look east toward city hall ... here's a daytime view, looking east across Walker ...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/art/compassrose7s.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/art/compassrose7.jpg)

Larry OKC
03-31-2010, 09:38 PM
Thanks Doug for the pics...saw the article in the Oklahoman and this was definitely a case where a pic would have been helpful...I agree with the consensus...kewl

ljbab728
03-31-2010, 10:36 PM
Does anyone know if the design has any particular meaning or semblance? It somewhat resembles a sundial also.

gen70
03-31-2010, 10:46 PM
Like it Big Time...

Doug Loudenback
04-01-2010, 12:27 AM
Does anyone know if the design has any particular meaning or semblance? It somewhat resembles a sundial also.
You can read the artist's description here: http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/art/compassrose6.jpg

Larry OKC
04-01-2010, 04:07 AM
WOW...way to deep for me...but it is purdy...art is sort of like pornography, don't have a precise definition, but I know it when I see it...LOL

Doug Loudenback
04-01-2010, 05:31 AM
Hey, that's the wormhole-making machine from the Jodie Foster movie, Contact. A word of caution - if it starts to spin and glow and make a high pitched whine, don't stand too close. :ohno:
It would probably be safe as long as you weren't inside it at the time.

kevinpate
04-01-2010, 05:45 AM
Well, that's just great. Was all set to love it, then it gets exposed as just a marketing gimmick for the upcoming Lady GAGA concert. Now I hates it.



.oO(I keeed, but don't tell Urbanized)Oo.

metro
04-01-2010, 07:24 AM
I'm all for public art, however I'm curious as to how this will effect the makeover of Bicentennial Park as part of Project 180. I know they can incorporate this piece into the redesign, but hope it doesn't mean they will leave out key features or something that might have been better because of this. Also I wish they could have commissioned an OKC based artist instead of NYC.

DelCamino
04-01-2010, 08:09 AM
I like the artwork very much.

But the proposed placement of the piece is dissappointing and wrong. Not quite 10 years ago, the City finally addressed the poorly designed and even worse maintained Bicentennial Plaza. It had become nothing short of a haven for bums, used almost soley for their latrine.

That was bad enough, but it also blocked the viewscape between the Municipal Building and the Civic Center that was always intended by the architects of the civic space. A grand lawn, so to speak. The removal of the box restored the view between the two grand buildings.

The placement of the new art with interrupt that view, once again taking away from the intended use of the lawn. The piece needs to be placed somewhere else.

ultimatesooner
04-01-2010, 08:17 AM
hell, I would have built that for $250,000 and let them keep 100k

Midtowner
04-01-2010, 08:32 AM
Two thumbs up to this! Thanks for the announcement Doug.



No it didn't. This is on the lawn between City Hall and the Civic Center Music Hall (Bicentennial Park).

The last rendering is a little confusing. It does appear to be city hall in the background, looking across Walker.

Sounds good.

That park is a hugely underutilized public space. Only thing I ever see going on out there is homeless folks taking naps.

Urban Pioneer
04-01-2010, 09:39 AM
Sounds good.

That park is a hugely underutilized public space. Only thing I ever see going on out there is homeless folks taking naps.

Except when there's ice skating. I assume that will move to the new rink on Myriad Garden and/or the fountain in the new Central Park.

I do agree about the sight lines. When does this go to the Urban Design Commission for approval?

metro
04-01-2010, 09:52 AM
Yes, UrbanPioneer, the ice rink will be permanently moved to Myriad Gardens when Project 180 starts next month. Also Shakespeare in the Park is moving to Bicentennial Park this year due to Project 180 redoing the Myriad Gardens immediately following the Arts Festival later this month.

FritterGirl
04-01-2010, 10:14 AM
I like the artwork very much.

But the proposed placement of the piece is dissappointing and wrong. Not quite 10 years ago, the City finally addressed the poorly designed and even worse maintained Bicentennial Plaza. It had become nothing short of a haven for bums, used almost soley for their latrine.

That was bad enough, but it also blocked the viewscape between the Municipal Building and the Civic Center that was always intended by the architects of the civic space. A grand lawn, so to speak. The removal of the box restored the view between the two grand buildings.

The placement of the new art with interrupt that view, once again taking away from the intended use of the lawn. The piece needs to be placed somewhere else.

The placement of the piece has not been set in stone. The artist will work with the Parks Department, Project 180 team and park/landscape consultant to determine where the piece will go in the park. As has already been noted, the ice skating rink will be moved to the east side of the Myriad Botanical Gardens, adjacent to the restaurant, where the east-side parking area now is.

Urbanized
04-01-2010, 12:39 PM
FritterGirl, metro mentions "the ice rink will be permanently moved to Myriad Gardens when Project 180 starts next month." Since the Myriad Gardens will be closed for construction right after the Festival of the Arts in a few weeks, does that mean there will be no downtown skating as part of Downtown in December this year? That would definitely be unfortunate.

It seems like they could delay the current skating rink's removal until after the Myriad Gardens is renovated and reopened next spring, introducing skating at the new rink in November 2011, without cancelling DID 2010 skating.

FritterGirl
04-01-2010, 01:45 PM
FritterGirl, metro mentions "the ice rink will be permanently moved to Myriad Gardens when Project 180 starts next month." Since the Myriad Gardens will be closed for construction right after the Festival of the Arts in a few weeks, does that mean there will be no downtown skating as part of Downtown in December this year? That would definitely be unfortunate.

It seems like they could delay the current skating rink's removal until after the Myriad Gardens is renovated and reopened next spring, introducing skating at the new rink in November 2011, without cancelling DID 2010 skating.

I think that was just a case of metro not fully realizing that thought.

FACT = Project180 will begin next month (including the outdoor Myriad Gardens renovations)

FACT = the skating rink WILL be moved to the Gardens, and is included in the Gardens' portion of Project 180.

To my knowledge, however, the skating rink will remain intact at the CCMH for the 2010 season for DiD purposes. In 2011, it will be moved to the Gardens. I'm not certain yet how far along they are in putting together a schedule of operations. I'm pretty sure that's not quite entered into discussions yet.

Given the fact that the new skating rink will be a "permanent" location, and located adjacent to the restaurant, my GUESS AT THIS TIME is that operations will be extended BEYOND Downtown in December, weather permitting. <- Note where I said GUESS. In the warmer months, this plaza area will be an outdoor gathering space/orangerie, with a shallow reflecting water feature, similar to that at the Memorial.

Right now, everyone is focused on getting through Festival and then getting the Crystal Bridge closed (plants protected and/or removed and offices moved).

metro
04-01-2010, 02:27 PM
No I realized, didn't state a year, but I see how my thoughts could have been misconstrued as moving this year. I meant after Project 180 renovations, it will be moved permanently to Myriad Gardens but remain at Bicentennial Park this year from what I can tell, but I too have not heard a timeline.

Urbanized
04-01-2010, 06:48 PM
Gotcha. Thanks.

Spartan
04-02-2010, 12:07 AM
I like it too. Somebody needs to hate it pretty soon though, or it doesn't count as art.

Well, I am very concerned about it blocking the view of the middle of City Hall as viewed from the Park Avenue......streetwall!!

LOL just kidding. This is great. We need more art!

jbrown84
04-02-2010, 07:53 PM
But the proposed placement of the piece is dissappointing and wrong. Not quite 10 years ago, the City finally addressed the poorly designed and even worse maintained Bicentennial Plaza. It had become nothing short of a haven for bums, used almost soley for their latrine.

That was bad enough, but it also blocked the viewscape between the Municipal Building and the Civic Center that was always intended by the architects of the civic space. A grand lawn, so to speak. The removal of the box restored the view between the two grand buildings.

The placement of the new art with interrupt that view, once again taking away from the intended use of the lawn. The piece needs to be placed somewhere else.


What was this "box" you speak of? I don't see this piece as being a big impediment to the view. It's not like they're putting a building there.

ljbab728
04-03-2010, 12:49 AM
What was this "box" you speak of? I don't see this piece as being a big impediment to the view. It's not like they're putting a building there.

I'm sure the box referred to is the Bicentennial Plaza. It basically was designed as a box which blocked views from all sides. It was a good idea that was not well thought out.

jbrown84
04-03-2010, 10:02 PM
Hmm. I don't remember that at all. So it had walls all around it?

ljbab728
04-03-2010, 11:35 PM
Hmm. I don't remember that at all. So it had walls all around it?

Yes, if I remember correctly, it was a little below ground level. You had to walk down into the main area from one of the four corners and it had walls on four sides. Those who attended the Festival of the Arts when it was still held there should remember it.

Snowman
09-26-2011, 08:33 PM
Site update: Leadership Oklahoma City Inc. (who commissioned it be made) has requested a location change to the boathouse district due to how project 180 will be renovating Bicentennial Park, both the Oklahoma City Arts Commission and the Boathouse foundation have recommended the change in location. A few more levels of approval will be needed before it would be submitted to the council for a vote. If it passes it would go on the north side of 6th street, a little north of the area where the dock is for the future UCO boathouse, which would be in the center of a sort of circle drive to facilitate large vehicles turning and normal vehicles accessing the current and a future parking lot.

Spartan
09-30-2011, 09:06 PM
That sounds like an absolute waste of an expensive sculpture. You could easily put that in much better locations than in the middle of a circle drive that facilitates large vehicles turning and vehicles accessing a future parking lot. Wow.

ljbab728
09-30-2011, 10:10 PM
That sounds like an absolute waste of an expensive sculpture. You could easily put that in much better locations than in the middle of a circle drive that facilitates large vehicles turning and vehicles accessing a future parking lot. Wow.

That was my thought also, Spartan. There may some great location in the Boathouse area or along the river where it would be appreciated but the area described does not qualify.

Spartan
10-01-2011, 02:02 PM
I think it's very typical, though. This is one of those occasions where you can really tell that the people behind the scenes downtown still suffer from chronic creativity deficiencies. And foresight deficiencies..

Snowman
10-02-2011, 12:04 PM
It will still be very visible to the athletes and visitors, the staging area has been set up just south of 6th at it's location since they made the three V dock cuts and everyone not parking in the vip section will be driving by it. Granted being on the south side would have made it more likely for people to walk up to it, if the concrete base was slightly higher it could double as the awards stage.

Doug Loudenback
10-02-2011, 02:51 PM
As for me, I regret very much that it will not be placed at its March 2010 and originally announced (http://dougdawg.blogspot.com/2010/03/compass-rose.html) location. It could/would have been a downtown showpiece. Instead, we will apparently get what I see (based on what I've seen thus far) as sterile reshaping of the area between Walker and the Civic Center Music Hall ... might look good to architects, but it looks pretty unpeople friendly to me.

I mean, we could have had this ...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/art/compassrose7s.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/art/compassrose5s.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/art/compassrose2s.jpg

... but we're apparently going to get this ... pretty enough, but where's the people in this sterile plan ... where are they going to mingle ... where are they in the fine design?

http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/files/2010/11/park4-532x291.jpg
http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/files/2010/11/park-water1-532x289.jpg