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MikeOKC
12-19-2009, 02:16 PM
The KKK isn't tagging property all over Oklahoma City. (That's a pretty loose interpretation of the term 'gang' and if Gangland has used it, you can count on it being so that they're not constantly talking black/hispanic). Anyway, I didn't know we're talking about the history of gangs here. In Oklahoma City, right now, and most major cities, according to the Department of Justice nearly 80% of gangs are black and hispanic.

Please don't call people "ignorant" for stating the obvious. What's "ignorant" is trying to actually turn the tables here and act like it's not a race issue and try to call out ignorance and bigotry when we all know the stats.....and the stats say it IS a race issue. Pretending it's not only muddies the waters and makes for phony outrage based on some personal identity (and feeling superior) for being "tolerant." Acting color-blind when color is the name of the game is looking the other way because it upsets your personal worldview.

Fastfwd
12-19-2009, 02:33 PM
Well sorry pal. Maybe you should immigrate to Canada or Scandinavia or something. That way you can see a lot of caucasian people and feel safer. Or maybe you should move to Arizona and join an armed militant group. Either way, you are an embarrassment to the board and this city.

I support the efforts of the citizen groups on the border. I feel their frustration. It’s a crying shame to have our country invaded by Mexicans.

If this board is full of nothing but politically correct wusses then maybe it needs a reality check. There are opinions in OKC besides how much we need a Whole Foods.



Just because you're afraid of brown people and you're raising your kids that way doesn't mean you should embarrass yourself by admitting your brown people fear in public. It makes you seem very cowardly and lame.

Where do you get this of me being afraid of ‘brown’ people? I never made any mention of fear of ‘brown’ people. Is this your attempt to make personal insults to divert from the topic?

I support taking up arms to repel the invasion. I admire the efforts of those on the border who do so….. They should be commemorated for their efforts. I have no fear of beaners. Believe that.

I’ve lived in Uvalde, TX. Been to the Mexican whorehouses and seen the skanky Mexican women put on their live acts. LOL Fear was not an issue. I wouldn’t go back across the boarder these days though. Sounds like a drug war zone to me……

OUGrad05
12-19-2009, 02:37 PM
Why does it really matter what race or ethnicity people are? I would like to see more immigrants in this country and we'r going to NEED more immigrants in teh coming decades. I just hope our politicians realize our immigration policy needs some serious work.

Who is in what majority really doesn't mean much to me, but I hope everyone who comes here assimilates to US culture and speaks our language. I do not like it when people come here and expect things to be handed to them because they're an immigrant, that really bothers me, but that really seems to be a super tiny number of people entering this country. Several friends of mine are from various countries (India, Ecuador, Mexico, Iran) they are all have very good work ethic, contribute to our society and embrace our culture. Seems like a win/win to me.

OUGrad05
12-19-2009, 02:39 PM
I support the efforts of the citizen groups on the border. I feel their frustration. It’s a crying shame to have our country invaded by Mexicans.

If this board is full of nothing but politically correct wusses then maybe it needs a reality check. There are opinions in OKC besides how much we need a Whole Foods.



Where do you get this of me being afraid of ‘brown’ people? I never made any mention of fear of ‘brown’ people. Is this your attempt to make personal insults to divert from the topic?

I support taking up arms to repel the invasion. I admire the efforts of those on the border who do so….. They should be commemorated for their efforts. I have no fear of beaners. Believe that.

I’ve lived in Uvalde, TX. Been to the Mexican whorehouses and seen the skanky Mexican women put on their live acts. LOL Fear was not an issue. I wouldn’t go back across the boarder these days though. Sounds like a drug war zone to me……

I agree with you that we need to have our borders defended, but for me it isn't about protecting white majority. Instead its about protecting our nation, our tax dollars, our sovereignty.

We desperately need MORE immigration in this country to push our economy forward, that will be especially true was we near the middle/end of the next decade.

ronronnie1
12-19-2009, 02:42 PM
It’s a major news story……


It pisses me off. I’m white and I want to keep a white majority. Go figure that one. Mexicans have a country of their own. They can stay there as far as I am concerned.

OMG Is this for real? Oh, you forgot to wear your white sheet. And by the way, "whites" will be a minority in the near future. Sorry about your bad luck.

R.A.C.I.S.T.

Fastfwd
12-19-2009, 02:44 PM
White? C'mon man, at best grey.
Why is this any different? I don't think we are "lazy" as a nation for having relatively open borders. It seems to me that you are yelling to "raise the drawbridge" just after you squeaked in. Not cool man. Not cool.
As for your choice words, I chose ignorant, your move....


1965 is the only bit of pertinent information in that entire post. What else happened in 1965? Not to worry, I'll Wiki it also....

What? Are you really trying to ignore that you, the same person who dredged up a reference to George Wallace…… apparently had no knowledge of the Immigration Act of 1924 – that basically makes a complete ass of you for going off on me for how you would like to portray that my ancestors were allowed into the United States without restrictions?

For somebody that likes to throw around the ignorant label – you sure make it easy to make you look like an ass.

MikeOKC
12-19-2009, 03:11 PM
OMG Is this for real? Oh, you forgot to wear your white sheet. And by the way, "whites" will be a minority in the near future. Sorry about your bad luck.

R.A.C.I.S.T.

See? Talk about race and you get called a racist. I don't think FastFwd is a racist, what's wrong with wanting to be with people like yourself? Japan makes no bones about the fact they want to keep it a pure Japanese country. Immigration is highly restricted. The old countries of Europe are desperately trying to find a way out of their nightmare caused by immigration. It seems everybody can be proud of their race except European Americans (whites, Caucasians, call it whatever makes you feel good). Our forebears did a lot of good, sacrificed much, struggled and died for this country, built America so that you are where you are today (if you're of European ancestry). What's wrong with being proud of that? We've been taught to believe that every race can celebrate their history, contributions, neighborhoods, etc. except white folks. If we like living with others like us, we're racists! We must get past this pretending like there is no differences between cultures and races.

soonerguru
12-19-2009, 03:17 PM
Where do you get this of me being afraid of ‘brown’ people? I never made any mention of fear of ‘brown’ people.

You mentioned that you don't want white people to be a minority. This is out of either fear or hate, and I'm guessing with you it's a mixture of both. You're afraid that if white people are the minority, you will be subjugated or otherwise victimized. This is based on fear. You have a fear of brown people.

You remind of the people before the presidential election who said things like "If Obama wins the blacks are going to run wild."

You can call treating other people with respect and dignity "politically correct," but you're not going to get many people here to go along with you. Get a grip. The world has passed you by and your thinking is primitive. This has nothing to do with border issues. This has to do with your xenophobia about there being more brown people than white people.

ronronnie1
12-19-2009, 03:21 PM
Yes, it's tricky. Minorities can have Black pride, Hispanic pride, whatever pride, but whites can't.

I think it has to do with the fact that "whites" have held the power and wealth in this country forever. Some whites complain that there is no White Entertainment Television or no White College Fund. But what these people are forgetting is that everything is already assumed to be "white."

I can almost understand some country bumpkin's frustration with this, but that's just the way it is. Anything NOT minority is by default "white." There is no need to shout it from the rooftops, unless, of course, you are in fact RACIST.

MikeOKC
12-19-2009, 03:23 PM
You mentioned that you don't want white people to be a minority. This is out of either fear or hate, and I'm guessing with you it's a mixture of both. You're afraid that if white people are the minority, you will be subjugated or otherwise victimized. This is based on fear. You have a fear of brown people.

You remind of the people before the presidential election who said things like "If Obama wins the blacks are going to run wild."

You can call treating other people with respect and dignity "politically correct," but you're not going to get many people here to go along with you. Get a grip. The world has passed you by and your thinking is primitive. This has nothing to do with border issues. This has to do with your xenophobia about there being more brown people than white people.

May I ask: Are you a "brown people?" (Your term, not mine.)

You say Fastfwd has a "fear" of "brown people." Well, even Jesse Jackson had his famous episode of being on the streets of New York City, hearing rapidly approaching footsteps and was glad to turn around and see it was white people! He could get away with that because he's Jesse Jackson, but can you imagine if Brad Henry, for example, said that?

It has nothing to do with dignity and respect, I know I'm all for that. I'm just opposed to pretending not to see statistics and act (or fear) accordingly.

soonerguru
12-19-2009, 03:25 PM
The level of discourse on this message board used to be a lot higher at one time. it's a shame.

Aren't there white power message boards for MikeOKC and BckWrd to visit somewhere else on the Internet?

They can go there and bemoan the browning of America and talk about how proud they are of their white ancestry.

MikeOKC
12-19-2009, 03:30 PM
Yes, it's tricky. Minorities can have Black pride, Hispanic pride, whatever pride, but whites can't.

I think it has to do with the fact that "whites" have held the power and wealth in this country forever. Some whites complain that there is no White Entertainment Television or no White College Fund. But what these people are forgetting is that everything is already assumed to be Euro-centric.

I can almost understand some country bumpkin's frustration with this, but that's just the way it is. Anything NOT minority is by default "white." There is no need to shout it from the rooftops, unless, of course, you are in fact RACIST.

Assuming "everything else" is Euro-centric may have been true even 25 years ago, but not anymore. What is the skin color of our president ferchrissakes?

I disagree whites can't have pride in our heritage. That's what's racist. Some call it "reverse racism," I just plainly call it racism.

MikeOKC
12-19-2009, 03:39 PM
The level of discourse on this message board used to be a lot higher at one time. it's a shame.

Aren't there white power message boards for MikeOKC and BckWrd to visit somewhere else on the Internet?

They can go there and bemoan the browning of America and talk about how proud they are of their white ancestry.

THAT is what's shameful. "White Power?" You've been SO brainwashed to believe that any discussion on race and any sensible reading of crime statistics is "White Power." That deserves an apology. I don't see anyone her promoting supremacy and hatred.

soonerguru, I asked before: Are you one of the "brown people" you constantly speak of? It is simply WRONG to tell any single group that they CANNOT be proud of their ancestry, but every other race and culture can.

soonerguru, you're post above is what is racist. It deserves an apology. THINK before typing the talking points of La Raza. I do not ( repeat: DO NOT) have to apologize for being white.

If the level of discourse has gone down it's because you've been taught that rational discussion on racial issues is verboten. YOU are the one who has lowered the discourse by not being able to discuss the issue without resorting to "White Power" and "White Sheet" rhetoric which is nothing short of ugly racism in itself.

Again, it would help to know if you ARE a minority; especially in a discussion of race and its relationship to gangs.

OUGrad05
12-19-2009, 04:40 PM
THAT is what's shameful. "White Power?" You've been SO brainwashed to believe that any discussion on race and any sensible reading of crime statistics is "White Power." That deserves an apology. I don't see anyone her promoting supremacy and hatred.

soonerguru, I asked before: Are you one of the "brown people" you constantly speak of? It is simply WRONG to tell any single group that they CANNOT be proud of their ancestry, but every other race and culture can.

soonerguru, you're post above is what is racist. It deserves an apology. THINK before typing the talking points of La Raza. I do not ( repeat: DO NOT) have to apologize for being white.

If the level of discourse has gone down it's because you've been taught that rational discussion on racial issues is verboten. YOU are the one who has lowered the discourse by not being able to discuss the issue without resorting to "White Power" and "White Sheet" rhetoric which is nothing short of ugly racism in itself.

Again, it would help to know if you ARE a minority; especially in a discussion of race and its relationship to gangs.

Maybe some people are reading too much into internet posts? I agree its ashame we can't discuss race without someone being labled a racist.

There isn't anything wrong with someone prefering their own race as long as they dont want to infringe on the rights of people of other races. People are allowed and should be allowed to have their own preferences and feelings so long as it doesn't hurt others.

But I dont see why it matters what color someone is as long as they are contributing positively to our society and not just leachign off our generous social programs.

As for population changes, none of us can really control them so if the racial makeup of the country is drastically different in 50 years, who cares? I don't think us white folks are going to be extinct just because they no longer make up 50% of the population...

soonerguru
12-19-2009, 04:55 PM
THAT is what's shameful. "White Power?" You've been SO brainwashed to believe that any discussion on race and any sensible reading of crime statistics is "White Power." That deserves an apology. I don't see anyone her promoting supremacy and hatred.

soonerguru, I asked before: Are you one of the "brown people" you constantly speak of? It is simply WRONG to tell any single group that they CANNOT be proud of their ancestry, but every other race and culture can.

soonerguru, you're post above is what is racist. It deserves an apology. THINK before typing the talking points of La Raza. I do not ( repeat: DO NOT) have to apologize for being white.

If the level of discourse has gone down it's because you've been taught that rational discussion on racial issues is verboten. YOU are the one who has lowered the discourse by not being able to discuss the issue without resorting to "White Power" and "White Sheet" rhetoric which is nothing short of ugly racism in itself.

Again, it would help to know if you ARE a minority; especially in a discussion of race and its relationship to gangs.

You seem like a very angry person. For the record, I have never suggested that people cannot conduct constructive conversations about race. Not sure where you get this.

My commentary was directed at the poster who fears white people being in the minority. I have unfortunately been approached by White Power folk in the past, and all of their literature plays on this phobia. They also dress it up in a lot of "feel good" "we're just proud of our race and want to keep to our own" rhetoric.

I really don't know what your racial views are and I really don't think they're very relevant to my life, but they also seem irrelevant to general discourse on this forum.

This message board is for people who live in Oklahoma City, which is a city that has all variety of racial and ethnic people who live here, just like other big, progressive cities. I think that's really great, and if I only wanted to live around white people I would move to North Edmond or Mustang or something.

As far as my "race" is concerned, I belong to the only race, the human race.

kmf563
12-19-2009, 05:33 PM
This thread is so full of crap there are too many statements above to quote or respond to.

IGNORANT. I can say it whenever I want. If it walks, talks, or posts like one...

I have a coworker who says all the time "I'm not racist, but I hate those d. mexicans." Or "I like black people, I just wish they would get an education."
Pretty much says the same thing as I'm not racist, I just want white pride. That is racism! Find me a white person. Please. What is white? German? I've never understood this.

Move to N. Edmond or Mustang or something....WOW. Sorry to burst that bubble...they have rainbows. Mustang even has a gang problem!

Yep. Arayan brothers have symbols they spray paint all over crap. But you probably just assumed that was a mexican.

I'm out. It's like arguing with...well...ignorant people.

kevinpate
12-19-2009, 07:13 PM
Our forebears did a lot of good, sacrificed much, struggled and died for this country, built America so that you are where you are today (if you're of European ancestry). What's wrong with being proud of that?

One wonders how different the poster's reaction might be, in a decade or so, to visit a board and read someone of a different ancestry posting the above sentiment from his or her own perspective at that time, the perspective of a new, strong and growing more and more powerful, non-white majority, ala


Our forebears did a lot of good, sacrificed much, struggled and died for this country, built America so that you are where you are today (if you're of Hispanic ancestry). What's wrong with being proud of that?

Oh, and for the record, if you just whistled to yourself, or muttered a naughty word, or spewed your drink, or threw up a lil' in your mouth, read the revised quote daily throughout 2010 and beyond, because like it or not, it is more than possible for whites to be replaced as the majority here, just as the natives were so many years ago.

Well, actually white folk will probably get treated a far sight better than the white European ancestors treated the Native Americans.

Pleasant dreams ...........

gracefor24
12-19-2009, 07:28 PM
For one thing, it should spark caution.

Friend of mine who works in law enforcement, and deals with this type of activity on nearly a daily basis and was involved indirectly with the subject production, says what Gangland showed in their documentary was a grossly sensationalized and misleading portrayal of gang activity in the OKC area. Said it leaves a frustratingly incorrect perception about OKC in general and gang activity in particular.

Take it for what its worth, but the information he gave was more detailed than is reasonable to post here, and I hold him to be an entirely credible, no-nonsense person.

That's funny because the police officer's I work with thought it was a pretty good representation (though there was some sensationalization going on for sure). The bottom line is the South Side Loco's are a violent gang and if you are messing around in those areas you might get confronted by it.

Most of the citizenry of OKC (and most cities for that matter) will never have to deal with it if they avoid the areas or just mind their business in those areas.

Our Hispanic gangs are our biggest and most active gangs right now in terms of violence and other issues. Juaritos weren't mentioned but they are the Hispanic gang located mostly in the Classen/10 Penn area. They were responsible for the murder of the OCU student a few months ago.

The bottom line is OKC has a lot more gang problems than most are willing to admit but the way our city is set up it is really easy to avoid it so many others are just ignorant of the problem

OUGrad05
12-19-2009, 08:20 PM
The bottom line is OKC has a lot more gang problems than most are willing to admit but the way our city is set up it is really easy to avoid it so many others are just ignorant of the problem

Bingo

sharonrae4
12-19-2009, 08:47 PM
Before anyone else brings race into this conversation, I would like to remind them of the fact that there are gangs of ALL races and ethnicities (mafia, biker, hispanic, asian, religious, and a host of many others). The issue with gangs is NOT race; it's poverty and lack of education. The sad thing for me, while watching the program was that my student was one of the young men shot at Crossroads Mall that day. We had SSL's and GBC's at my school. It got quite heated at times; it's hard to concentrate on academics, while violence surrounds the school.

Law enforcement has quite a huge job on their hands, but so do the rest of us. Education, sports, and relationships with mentors have all been proven to motivate young people to stay out of or even leave gangs. There are reports that some prisons estimate the number of beds they'll need by the reading levels of third graders. The gang problem is complicated, has a long history, and will take time and multi-tiered efforts to effectively combat it.

MGE1977
12-19-2009, 08:58 PM
What? Are you really trying to ignore that you, the same person who dredged up a reference to George Wallace…… apparently had no knowledge of the Immigration Act of 1924 – that basically makes a complete ass of you for going off on me for how you would like to portray that my ancestors were allowed into the United States without restrictions?

For somebody that likes to throw around the ignorant label – you sure make it easy to make you look like an ass.

Your reading of my tone is lacking. It is exactly because you "dredged up" legislation that is wholly inaplicable to the 21st century that I wrote what I wrote. If you like 1924 so much why don't you marry her? Nyah.

MikeOkc

You are right, nobody should be afraid to speak freely about race. No one race is more important, and the rest of your spew just rolled on like the Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck dirge claiming indoctrinations and incantations in the school and scanning the horizon for a new Hester Prynne to scorn and burn. (She was a character - in a book.)

I'll cop to being more liberal than you are. Why don't you cop to what it is you are?

Spartan
12-19-2009, 09:01 PM
Why are we politicizing the issue? What do we have to gain by doing that? We shoot ourselves in the foot because we're desperate to argue over something other than our gang problem.

Ginkasa
12-19-2009, 11:17 PM
kmf: There's a difference between "gangs" and "extremist groups."



Same difference as "terrorists" and "freedom fighters"?

Spartan
12-20-2009, 12:15 AM
I for one see absolutely no difference between these tea partiers and the Crips and the Bloods, but that's my politics lol.

Fastfwd
12-20-2009, 01:08 AM
Your reading of my tone is lacking. It is exactly because you "dredged up" legislation that is wholly inaplicable to the 21st century that I wrote what I wrote. If you like 1924 so much why don't you marry her? Nyah.


There you go again…..your ‘tone?’ LOL, what a load of ****. You specifically were making reference to ‘me’ squeaking into this country before I wish to ‘pull up the drawbridge’ as if there has never been any restriction in immigration policy which, while not my expertise, is easily disproved as not being the case.

Does it make you feel better about yourself not sounding like a dolt for issuing such a statement if you claim your ‘tone’ was misinterpreted? I’m ready to hear how your ‘tone’ gives you a leg to stand on regarding the history of immigration policy in this country and how you are going to insist that you are somehow intellectually superior to my ‘ignorant’ ass. LOL

You know, I was going to go off on a tirade about how liberals claiming an opposing opinion on immigration policy that denounces ‘open borders’ has nothing to do with ‘ignorance’, but actually, it’s hard for me to say that because I really do feel as though those who support ‘open borders’ are ignorant themselves. I can’t begin to comprehend the thought process that trashes the value of citizenship of the greatest country in the world. Just let ‘em pour in unchecked. There should be no borders. We should just give up everything that we as a country have fought for and divvy it up with the rest of the world? Is that ultimately what you would prefer? Yeah, that’s nice….. give it all away.

What I love, and it never fails, is how liberals are adamant that you must accept everyone……that is unless you have a conservative viewpoint on a subject and then you’re ‘ignorant’ or a ‘racist’. You really like that throw that ‘racist’ label around as though it’s going to cause the accused to fall to their knees and beg to please forgive them for having an opinion you don’t agree with. **** that ****. Call me a racist all you want. I really don’t give a ****.

I don’t even really consider myself a ‘conservative’ overall…… I voted for Obama actually. For my own reasons. Not to promote illegal immigration for sure, but it seemed as though there was no winning vote on that count anyway. They’re both already clamoring for the ‘hispanic’ vote. That makes a lil of that puke being talked about cough up into my mouth thinking about it.

OUGrad05
12-20-2009, 07:57 AM
I for one see absolutely no difference between these tea partiers and the Crips and the Bloods, but that's my politics lol.

Wow, well for one us "tea partiers" aren't running around killing people...but hey keep thinking whatever...

How the hell did tea parties get drug into this discussion?

Fastfwd
12-20-2009, 08:42 AM
You mentioned that you don't want white people to be a minority. This is out of either fear or hate, and I'm guessing with you it's a mixture of both. You're afraid that if white people are the minority, you will be subjugated or otherwise victimized. This is based on fear. You have a fear of brown people.

So, by your logic, every time minorities whine about being in the minority it’s because they ‘fear’ white people? I’d love to see you pass that logic off to your brethren.



You remind of the people before the presidential election who said things like "If Obama wins the blacks are going to run wild."

You can call treating other people with respect and dignity "politically correct," but you're not going to get many people here to go along with you. Get a grip. The world has passed you by and your thinking is primitive. This has nothing to do with border issues. This has to do with your xenophobia about there being more brown people than white people.

Treating other people with dignity and respect? Like how I have been treated for expressing my dismay for the news of whites being marginalized in the United States?

LOL, again, without fail – I love how ‘liberals’ preach tolerance, but if you dare share a ‘conservative’ opinion on an issue you come out of the woodwork with your guns blazing with ‘racist’ labels in some pathetic hopes of shaming someone with a opinion differing from your own into submission. It doesn’t work with me. Sorry. You can call me a racist all you want and I really don’t give a ****.

So, you preach tolerance, but that only applies to tolerating those who share your views? LOL Otherwise I’m ‘ignorant’ and ‘primitive?’ You might try ‘hypocrite’ on for size.

kevinpate
12-20-2009, 09:10 AM
white, black, brown, yellow, green, chartruse and blender benders .... there are good folk and there are turd folk in every race, color, creed, religious leaning, or combination de jour one cares to concoct.

There really can not be any serious disagreement on that point.

So, might it be possible for folks to just zip up, put away their rulers, drop the posturing and go back to what had been a rather interesting thread before some folks apparently decided to start inputting missives more appropriate for submission to Jerry or Maury auditions.

dengar22
12-20-2009, 11:36 AM
Just another perspective here:

I think that the majority of gang problems aren't due to race per se, but because of poor populations. Since the majority of the poor are minorities in this country, then the majority of gangs are minorities. Race is a correlation, not causation. I know parts of my city (Amarillo) that are full of poor white people and have rampant crime - especially relating to meth and, interestingly enough, sexual abuse.

So I think what we're talking about is a problem in poor neighborhoods, not necessarily minority neighborhoods.

Let's get that straight then begin to address the problem.

kmf563
12-20-2009, 11:50 AM
Welp. All sides have been covered. Except...I think it's a gender problem. Most of gangs are male. So males have a gang problem. One more reason for me to bash them. And why girls rule and boys drool. :k-bunny:

dengar22
12-20-2009, 11:51 AM
Lol!!

Spartan
12-20-2009, 12:26 PM
Wow, well for one us "tea partiers" aren't running around killing people...but hey keep thinking whatever...

How the hell did tea parties get drug into this discussion?

Talking about the difference between a "gang" and "fringe groups" and "terrorists" and "freedom fighters." Some person said it was all in the way you look at it and which side you're on and I was offering a facetious point to the contrary..

nik4411
12-20-2009, 12:32 PM
white, black, brown, yellow, green, chartruse and blender benders .... there are good folk and there are turd folk in every race, color, creed, religious leaning, or combination de jour one cares to concoct.

There really can not be any serious disagreement on that point.

So, might it be possible for folks to just zip up, put away their rulers, drop the posturing and go back to what had been a rather interesting thread before some folks apparently decided to start inputting missives more appropriate for submission to Jerry or Maury auditions.



i agree with this. lets get back to topic.
i didnt see the gangland on okc but will def set it to record for tonight. i'll be at the trans siberian orchestra concert, so i'll watch it later or tomorrow.

OUGrad05
12-20-2009, 04:41 PM
Talking about the difference between a "gang" and "fringe groups" and "terrorists" and "freedom fighters." Some person said it was all in the way you look at it and which side you're on and I was offering a facetious point to the contrary..

So me protesting the governments misuse of dollars and rampant spending of MY money and your money makes me a fringe group, terrorist, freedom fighter or gang?

Why can't I be an american that wants government back under control? We've had 8+ years of NONSENSE coming from DC.

dmoor82
12-20-2009, 04:51 PM
I wonder where the most violent (Hood) is in OKC?The South side or The East side? I remember alot of drivebys and retalliation shootings on The East side awhile back.and MWC has it's problem area's also!

Spartan
12-20-2009, 05:49 PM
So me protesting the governments misuse of dollars and rampant spending of MY money and your money makes me a fringe group, terrorist, freedom fighter or gang?

Why can't I be an american that wants government back under control? We've had 8+ years of NONSENSE coming from DC.

I don't know, good questions. But we've had a lot longer than 8+ years of nonsense from Washington..

OUGrad05
12-20-2009, 08:47 PM
I don't know, good questions. But we've had a lot longer than 8+ years of nonsense from Washington..

I agree but at least they could do math in the 90s, that all ended in 2001.

nik4411
12-20-2009, 11:48 PM
I wonder where the most violent (Hood) is in OKC?The South side or The East side? I remember alot of drivebys and retalliation shootings on The East side awhile back.and MWC has it's problem area's also!

don't forget some of the areas on the north and west side.
up north, right near nichols hills you have the highlands areas. got some rough neighborhoods.

Chance23
12-21-2009, 12:03 AM
I don’t even really consider myself a ‘conservative’ overall…… I voted for Obama actually. For my own reasons. Not to promote illegal immigration for sure, but it seemed as though there was no winning vote on that count anyway.

You shouldn't consider yourself conservative. One of the most conservative parties in this country wants an open border.


Treating other people with dignity and respect? Like how I have been treated for expressing my dismay for the news of whites being marginalized in the United States?

White Europeans have done a lot for this country... yeah, sure, they just happened to use other immigrant groups to do the majority of it, but still, a lot that is damn well something to be proud of, and something to lament as they begin to lose the masses of power they've built up over time. But don't fret, I'm sure being in the minority eventually won't be nearly as disastrous as the last time the immigrants took over the country from the majority population.

jstaylor62
12-21-2009, 09:25 AM
Is it just me, or did all the girls they had posing with them for pictures were fat and ugly?

kmf563
12-21-2009, 10:47 AM
Is it just me, or did all the girls they had posing with them for pictures were fat and ugly?

Not that I would call any girl fat or ugly - but I highly doubt gang members hang out with models. It's not the Hooter's gang.

Bunty
12-21-2009, 12:08 PM
Gang problems in OKC are terrible, have been for two plus decades, it would be nice if people would wake up to that fact.

So legalize illegal drugs like marijuana and gangs will be considerably weakened. After all, they don't fight each other over selling something legal like alcohol.

MGE1977
12-21-2009, 12:40 PM
There you go again…..your ‘tone?’ LOL, what a load of ****. You specifically were making reference to ‘me’ squeaking into this country before I wish to ‘pull up the drawbridge’ as if there has never been any restriction in immigration policy which, while not my expertise, is easily disproved as not being the case.

Does it make you feel better about yourself not sounding like a dolt for issuing such a statement if you claim your ‘tone’ was misinterpreted? I’m ready to hear how your ‘tone’ gives you a leg to stand on regarding the history of immigration policy in this country and how you are going to insist that you are somehow intellectually superior to my ‘ignorant’ ass. LOL

You know, I was going to go off on a tirade about how liberals claiming an opposing opinion on immigration policy that denounces ‘open borders’ has nothing to do with ‘ignorance’, but actually, it’s hard for me to say that because I really do feel as though those who support ‘open borders’ are ignorant themselves. I can’t begin to comprehend the thought process that trashes the value of citizenship of the greatest country in the world. Just let ‘em pour in unchecked. There should be no borders. We should just give up everything that we as a country have fought for and divvy it up with the rest of the world? Is that ultimately what you would prefer? Yeah, that’s nice….. give it all away.

What I love, and it never fails, is how liberals are adamant that you must accept everyone……that is unless you have a conservative viewpoint on a subject and then you’re ‘ignorant’ or a ‘racist’. You really like that throw that ‘racist’ label around as though it’s going to cause the accused to fall to their knees and beg to please forgive them for having an opinion you don’t agree with. **** that ****. Call me a racist all you want. I really don’t give a ****.

I don’t even really consider myself a ‘conservative’ overall…… I voted for Obama actually. For my own reasons. Not to promote illegal immigration for sure, but it seemed as though there was no winning vote on that count anyway. They’re both already clamoring for the ‘hispanic’ vote. That makes a lil of that puke being talked about cough up into my mouth thinking about it.


While revolting to me, your ignorance is impressive.

I don't agree with you, and you'll not have to read any tone into this post.

I could care less what party you align yourself with, it is not a qualifier nor does it give your statement merit. You are using antiquated logic to remedy a contemporary issue. I'll wait for your reply after Rush signs off the air for the day. Don't attempt rational self thought, I am patient, I can wait for whatever it is he tells you to spew.

I don't villify conservatives, just as I don't elevate liberalism. If this is your stance, so be it, there really needs to be one of you in every group. You can protect your precious white majority, and I'll keep calling you ignorant.

If yours was a rallying cry to protect the United States, I would have passed by without notice. You specifically chose to "protect the White Majority," and therein lies your motivation. When your majority falls, who will care to listen?

jstaylor62
12-21-2009, 12:52 PM
Is it just me, or did all the girls they had posing with them for pictures were fat and ugly?


Not that I would call any girl fat or ugly - but I highly doubt gang members hang out with models. It's not the Hooter's gang.

Your right they were not the "Hooters Gang", they were more like the "Snouters Gang"...

OKCisOK4me
12-21-2009, 12:55 PM
Yeah, I remember seeing Biggie Smalls and 2-PAC riding the log ride together.

Hahahahahahah, that is f'in hilarious!

Fastfwd
12-21-2009, 03:24 PM
While revolting to me, your ignorance is impressive.

I don't agree with you, and you'll not have to read any tone into this post.

I could care less what party you align yourself with, it is not a qualifier nor does it give your statement merit. You are using antiquated logic to remedy a contemporary issue. I'll wait for your reply after Rush signs off the air for the day. Don't attempt rational self thought, I am patient, I can wait for whatever it is he tells you to spew.

Huh? I didn’t attempt to align myself with a party douchebag. Quite the opposite. I really can’t stand Rush Limbaugh for your information. Nobody tells me what to think. I really question if you’re paying attention or if this is just an excuse for you to run your mouth.

What statement is it that you speak of? Are you talking about my reference to the news story on whites losing the population majority by 2050? There are only about 1,000 news articles on it. Does it require more merit than that for you to be an issue worthy to express an opinion on?

My antiquated logic? What? If I were to guess, I might assume you are referencing the history of immigration policy of the United States that I Googled to refute your statement that there have never been quotas placed on immigration? Is that antiquated? How so exactly? How many industrialized nations currently employ quotas on their immigration? I know I’ve discussed this issue with a German before and was quickly informed that they have much stricter immigration policy than we do. They seem to be doing quite alright in Germany with it.



I don't villify conservatives, just as I don't elevate liberalism. If this is your stance, so be it, there really needs to be one of you in every group. You can protect your precious white majority, and I'll keep calling you ignorant.

You don’t vilify conservatives? You just take what would largely be considered a conservative viewpoint and go off bashing on anyone who dares to express it? Are you just trying to portray yourself as tolerant now despite your contradiction? Nice try.



If yours was a rallying cry to protect the United States, I would have passed by without notice. You specifically chose to "protect the White Majority," and therein lies your motivation. When your majority falls, who will care to listen?

First of all, wtf? I’m really trying to interpret what it is that you’re attempting to say, but you make it difficult. Are you making reference to the dangers of unchecked immigration to the sovereignty of our nation? So, you’re making an admission of this potential reality and still insisting upon ‘open borders?’ That’s pretty bright.

Yes, I am dismayed at the prospect of losing a white majority, but I am comforted to know that my race will dominate the wealth of the nation for many generations to follow…….and what is likely your race will still dominate the leaf blowing needs of this country.

ronronnie1
12-21-2009, 03:30 PM
^^^Can the moderators please BAN this racist troll? I can't believe he's being allowed to spew this racist bullsh!t. I mean, for real.

"...your race will still dominate the leaf blowing needs of this country."?!? <-- For real?!?

Spartan
12-21-2009, 04:03 PM
It also looks like he's racist against Germans. Sheesh.

MGE1977
12-21-2009, 06:05 PM
FastFwd

I am not tolerant. You are right. Ignorance such as yours cannot be tolerated.

Your race will hold the majority of the Nation's wealth, fantastic. Who will decide the Nation's future?

It's a shame that you cannot see past race to what promises to be a very vibrant future.

First of all, wtf? I’m really trying to interpret what it is that you’re attempting to say, but you make it difficult. Are you making reference to the dangers of unchecked immigration to the sovereignty of our nation? So, you’re making an admission of this potential reality and still insisting upon ‘open borders?’ That’s pretty bright.

You are an alarmist, and free press is really not a good thing for you to partake of friend. What you need is a calming voice, subliminal perhaps, pumping uninterrupted white noise into your conciousness because as it stands you are a minuteman with a hair trigger on that loose tongue of yours. Everyone is aware of the limitations of the border as it now stands, why would I deny that? My beef is with your assertations that you are fearful of the decline of "white" power.

The people who come across now are often, just people wanting to make it better for the lives they are responsible for. Likely they will not create waves in politics, or any other public forum you choose to "protect."

As these people assimilate, and gather what it is to be American, it is rational to assume that when they do have the privilege to vote or sway public direction, they will do so in a most American and genuine way.

Sometimes those who come across are drug dealers and thugs, or murderers, etc. but really what is going to keep them out of the biggest market in the world for their wares?

Do you really feel that sovereignty is at stake? In the greatest nation in the world? I was under the impression that immigrants have provided much of the animus in small things in history like civil rights and sciences and technology, literature and arts.

Your leaf blower comment was inappropriate, but again undeniable proof that your ignorance is in fact your most significant character trait. There are lines in civil discourse, and I am more than guilty of bumping those, I'll stop just shy of crossing though.

kmf563
12-22-2009, 07:34 AM
Yes, I am dismayed at the prospect of losing a white majority, but I am comforted to know that my race will dominate the wealth of the nation for many generations to follow…….and what is likely your race will still dominate the leaf blowing needs of this country.

Wow. I didn't know douchebags had their own race now!

flippity
12-22-2009, 07:58 AM
They're rerunning it right now and I'm tuned in.

This show seems to exaggerate -- and glamorize -- the gangs on the Southside. This is just the kind of pub these gangs want to strengthen their rep. Thanks a lot, History Channel.

On a lighter note, I'm getting a kick out of how the narrator calls OKC "The OKC."

at least he doesn't call it "Oak City"

i hate that.

Midtowner
12-22-2009, 08:33 AM
^^^Can the moderators please BAN this racist troll? I can't believe he's being allowed to spew this racist bullsh!t. I mean, for real.

"...your race will still dominate the leaf blowing needs of this country."?!? <-- For real?!?

As far as banworthyness, pot, meet kettle.

He should be free to share whatever views he wants to share so long as he's relating said views without personal attacks (por ejamplo, "racist troll").

Fastfwd
12-22-2009, 09:09 AM
FastFwd

I am not tolerant. You are right. Ignorance such as yours cannot be tolerated.

And yet I don’t harass leaf blowers who are either too dumb or too lazy to learn English and assimilate into this country……. Are you saying perhaps that I should actively harass leaf blowers for being ignorant by your example? You have such a big issue with ignorance….maybe you will join me?


[
Your race will hold the majority of the Nation's wealth, fantastic. Who will decide the Nation's future?

It's a shame that you cannot see past race to what promises to be a very vibrant future.

Vibrant? Maybe a majority Hispanic vote will move to jazz up the National Anthem with some of that snappy Tejano rhythm? I do love me some Tejano! Sometimes I flip through the radio and think, damn, there just aren’t enough Tejano stations. [/QUOTE]



First of all, wtf? I’m really trying to interpret what it is that you’re attempting to say, but you make it difficult. Are you making reference to the dangers of unchecked immigration to the sovereignty of our nation? So, you’re making an admission of this potential reality and still insisting upon ‘open borders?’ That’s pretty bright.

You are an alarmist, and free press is really not a good thing for you to partake of friend. What you need is a calming voice, subliminal perhaps, pumping uninterrupted white noise into your conciousness because as it stands you are a minuteman with a hair trigger on that loose tongue of yours. Everyone is aware of the limitations of the border as it now stands, why would I deny that? My beef is with your assertations that you are fearful of the decline of "white" power.

Interpretation….. You really wish that the press wouldn’t report on news about the invasion of the country by Mexicans and their ilk and make an issue of it to fire up the opposition. I bet you raised a toast to Lou Dobbs going off the air, huh?

You really don’t have any concern for the threat to the sovereignty of the nation from the implications of the inevitable voting power given to these ‘expatriates’ of Mexico.

Your big problem with me is that I’m not taking the invasion lying down, huh? How dare I speak up about my disgust with it! Maybe if you call me ignorant enough I will just shut up and crank up some of the soothing tones of my favorite Tejano station and brace myself for the inevitable?

A word of advice…..if you’re going to be the one throwing around ‘ignorant’…use spell-check!



The people who come across now are often, just people wanting to make it better for the lives they are responsible for. Likely they will not create waves in politics, or any other public forum you choose to "protect."

As these people assimilate, and gather what it is to be American, it is rational to assume that when they do have the privilege to vote or sway public direction, they will do so in a most American and genuine way.

Sometimes those who come across are drug dealers and thugs, or murderers, etc. but really what is going to keep them out of the biggest market in the world for their wares?

Do you really feel that sovereignty is at stake? In the greatest nation in the world? I was under the impression that immigrants have provided much of the animus in small things in history like civil rights and sciences and technology, literature and arts.

Your leaf blower comment was inappropriate, but again undeniable proof that your ignorance is in fact your most significant character trait. There are lines in civil discourse, and I am more than guilty of bumping those, I'll stop just shy of crossing though.

There are people from countries all over the world who deserve the opportunity for a better life in the United States. It’s pathetic that there is apparently no immigration policy at all to dictate these people being given the opportunity to share in the promise of citizenship in my country.

Instead we just sit back and let a flood of Mexicans roll over the border from their lame country into ours which does nothing for assuring this assimilation of which you speak. It allows for them/you to isolate yourselves and never bother to learn English and fly your Mexican flags and hold on to your allegiance to your homeland. Which to me is indeed a threat to the sovereignty of this country when the population is under threat of seeing a majority of Hispanics/Mexicans in my lifetime.

You like to try to push my buttons and attempt to be nasty with your talk of ‘who will listen to the loss of your minority’ or what the hell ever you were trying to say…..too bad you don’t like a little reality check of who your people are in their role in this country in retort. LOL

MGE1977
12-22-2009, 10:58 AM
Fastfwd

Listen homie, you've crossed about every line imaginable as far as I'm concerned with your rantings, and truthfully those who have got you so up in arms only had to cross one.

When you come to your senses, and join the table for logical discussion, maybe somebody will let you sit with the grown-ups. Until then, you are just the ignorant, bigoted, selfish poster that is only too fun to poke with a stick.

Keep railing friend, somebody somewhere is listening.

kevinpate
12-22-2009, 11:07 AM
Wow. I didn't know douchebags had their own race now!

yep, and their own radio shows, tv networks, doctors, pharms, why, I suspect they even have some clothing and cosmetic lines that are just so special for them. Oh, and coming in 2010, their own tea kettles too!

Laramie
12-22-2009, 11:15 AM
The level of discourse on this message board used to be a lot higher at one time. it's a shame.

Aren't there white power message boards for MikeOKC and BckWrd to visit somewhere else on the Internet?

They can go there and bemoan the browning of America and talk about how proud they are of their white ancestry.


They don't got there because that would be like the choir director preaching to the choir!

proud2Bsooner
12-22-2009, 12:00 PM
Just watched the piece from Gangland.
OK, there are pockets in the City that are obviously rough. But who is going to walk around somwehere like SW 27th and Kentucky at night? Yes, there are gangs here. Yes they fight each other. But compared to many other places it's pretty calm. I thought the piece was hyped. Sure you stick a camera in the face of some Locos, and they're going to talk trash.
Just watching the piece, knowing "the 405" like I do...it didn't match up. That story could have been told in 75 other cities. I don't know who contacted History to do that, but it was lame. I regularly go from downtown to eat at Taco San Pedro, or go to the Southside Target or Ace, and it's not a big deal at all. I have yet to witness a gang war. I am guessing History calls police departments all over the country looking for gangs to do stories about...looking for fresh material for a popular show.

Fastfwd
12-22-2009, 12:33 PM
Fastfwd

Listen homie, you've crossed about every line imaginable as far as I'm concerned with your rantings, and truthfully those who have got you so up in arms only had to cross one.

When you come to your senses, and join the table for logical discussion, maybe somebody will let you sit with the grown-ups. Until then, you are just the ignorant, bigoted, selfish poster that is only too fun to poke with a stick.

Keep railing friend, somebody somewhere is listening.

LOL,…. Let’s recap. I made mention of a widely reported news story and my dismay in hearing of the news while in the context of commenting on this thread and my related experience. YOU DECIDED TO CHIME IN WITH PERSONAL INSULTS DIRECTED TOWARD ME. Then your ‘homies’ came out of the woodwork in the fashion that I am accustomed to witnessing firing off about what a ‘racist’ I am, bla, bla, bla……..in what I have seen time and time again as some pathetic effort to silence a viewpoint that you don’t agree with.

Then you refused to shut up and got slammed at every turn in your campaign to undermine the validity of my concerns. You want to cry when you get your feelings hurt by the fact being pointed out that your people are generally best qualified to run the leaf blowers in our society and try to make it out like I have burned a cross in your front yard. Boo ****ing hoo.

I’m more than willing to get this thread back onto the topic of what a ‘vibrant’ Hispanic gang culture we have been featured on national television as having in Oklahoma City. Let’s talk about what a fabulous contribution Hispanics are making to our image here. How they can do more than just blow our leaves.

ronronnie1
12-22-2009, 01:12 PM
As far as banworthyness, pot, meet kettle.

He should be free to share whatever views he wants to share so long as he's relating said views without personal attacks (por ejamplo, "racist troll").

I never use racist talk. But if you want to defend a racist, then have at. I'm not surpised though. I suspect you share his/her views, por ejamplo.

Fastfwd
12-22-2009, 01:38 PM
^^^Can the moderators please BAN this racist troll? I can't believe he's being allowed to spew this racist bullsh!t. I mean, for real.

"...your race will still dominate the leaf blowing needs of this country."?!? <-- For real?!?


I don’t care for homos either btw…… thought you might like to know since you’ve taken such a keen interest in my posting.