Spartan
12-09-2009, 12:41 AM
I for one would welcome Iron76hd back in a minute, things are often said in the "heat of the moment", and while I totally disagree with his stance on MAPS3, you have to admire his compassion.
Iron76hd had compassion? He was a union dickhead who wanted to get us all on board with this idea that MAPS 3 should just be a goddamn bake sale for the police and fire union. Still though, I would more than favor him getting unbanned. I wouldn't have ever banned him in the first place, but whatever. I actually think that his posts did more harm than good to his side because they exposed the idiocy and ignorance on their side.
That said, I was an outright jerk to him and the other NTMers, and I readily admit that. Things are said in the heat of the moment, and I would like to apologize to the people I was a dick to. I'm just glad the city is moving forward. I was especially a jerk to LarryOKC.. I would say a general statement that is generally true, that we have come to be familiar with, and he would spew out some extremely long post with several columns full of numbers and crap telling me that it's not true.. lost in semantics. I just didn't have the patience to deal with his posts for some reason.
I would readily extend an olive branch to any of them, and I hope they become contributing members. Especially now that we as a city need to take a very serious look at public safety. Yes the unions should be ashamed of themselves and I hope they lose some bargaining chips after what they just pulled and lost, but we need to be able to recognize that there are good cops and firefighters who are caught in the middle of this debacle and it's not right to give public safety the shaft just because they're officially represented by the worst, most deplorable, and unethical union that's been in the news lately. After the huge stink that was just raised about public safety, and with it being fresh in everyone's minds, we need to sit down and examine what the deal is..not ruling out any solutions. Weigh the solutions. Should we go ahead with the pay cut that every other dept already got (including the mayor's office and city manager's office)? Should we hire more cops, if so, how? Do we push for county-city consolidation? Do we add on to the permanent sales tax for public safety? Do we seek more federal grants?
This is what we have though. We have the highest-paid police force in this part of the country. Cops AND firefighters are both making on average around $75,000 .. which would blow the minds of most people. Yes it's true that they start around $40,000 -- but the reality is most have been on the force for years and years. And we should reward that experience and tenure by all means. Experience on the force is what leads to a talented and brave police. But they are the highest-paid police force in this part of the country. So when they complain about being understaffed, maybe they should handle that internally without increasing the pay roll? Yes, that means pay cuts. But yes, that means more police officers. When officers say they'd gladly take a pay cut to have more people on patrol with them, will they put their money where their mouth is? Doubtful that the union would agree to that.
If the county's 200 full-time police were added to the city's force, would that constitute a beefed up patrol?
Better question -- can they PROVE that they're understaffed? Is crime rising in OKC? Is there a PROBLEM with crime?? The answer is, no there is not. But by all means, prove me wrong. Now that MAPS 3 is passed, let the dialogue rightfully shift to this. Let's take a collective look at this issue, and if everything is as it seems, let's move along and let the unions screw the city over again as usual. If not though, if there is a problem, then we owe it to ourselves and our servicemen to demand that the city finds a solution.
Iron76hd had compassion? He was a union dickhead who wanted to get us all on board with this idea that MAPS 3 should just be a goddamn bake sale for the police and fire union. Still though, I would more than favor him getting unbanned. I wouldn't have ever banned him in the first place, but whatever. I actually think that his posts did more harm than good to his side because they exposed the idiocy and ignorance on their side.
That said, I was an outright jerk to him and the other NTMers, and I readily admit that. Things are said in the heat of the moment, and I would like to apologize to the people I was a dick to. I'm just glad the city is moving forward. I was especially a jerk to LarryOKC.. I would say a general statement that is generally true, that we have come to be familiar with, and he would spew out some extremely long post with several columns full of numbers and crap telling me that it's not true.. lost in semantics. I just didn't have the patience to deal with his posts for some reason.
I would readily extend an olive branch to any of them, and I hope they become contributing members. Especially now that we as a city need to take a very serious look at public safety. Yes the unions should be ashamed of themselves and I hope they lose some bargaining chips after what they just pulled and lost, but we need to be able to recognize that there are good cops and firefighters who are caught in the middle of this debacle and it's not right to give public safety the shaft just because they're officially represented by the worst, most deplorable, and unethical union that's been in the news lately. After the huge stink that was just raised about public safety, and with it being fresh in everyone's minds, we need to sit down and examine what the deal is..not ruling out any solutions. Weigh the solutions. Should we go ahead with the pay cut that every other dept already got (including the mayor's office and city manager's office)? Should we hire more cops, if so, how? Do we push for county-city consolidation? Do we add on to the permanent sales tax for public safety? Do we seek more federal grants?
This is what we have though. We have the highest-paid police force in this part of the country. Cops AND firefighters are both making on average around $75,000 .. which would blow the minds of most people. Yes it's true that they start around $40,000 -- but the reality is most have been on the force for years and years. And we should reward that experience and tenure by all means. Experience on the force is what leads to a talented and brave police. But they are the highest-paid police force in this part of the country. So when they complain about being understaffed, maybe they should handle that internally without increasing the pay roll? Yes, that means pay cuts. But yes, that means more police officers. When officers say they'd gladly take a pay cut to have more people on patrol with them, will they put their money where their mouth is? Doubtful that the union would agree to that.
If the county's 200 full-time police were added to the city's force, would that constitute a beefed up patrol?
Better question -- can they PROVE that they're understaffed? Is crime rising in OKC? Is there a PROBLEM with crime?? The answer is, no there is not. But by all means, prove me wrong. Now that MAPS 3 is passed, let the dialogue rightfully shift to this. Let's take a collective look at this issue, and if everything is as it seems, let's move along and let the unions screw the city over again as usual. If not though, if there is a problem, then we owe it to ourselves and our servicemen to demand that the city finds a solution.