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Steve
12-14-2008, 10:05 PM
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proposed designs at OKC Central All about downtown OKC (http://www.okccentral.com) and I'm polling visitors on whether they like the design.
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jbrown84
12-14-2008, 10:58 PM
AWFUL, awful, awful. Pitched metal roof? Are they serious???

Midtowner
12-14-2008, 11:02 PM
Are you sure that's not going into Edmond?

Are they serious???

fire121
12-15-2008, 08:35 AM
I think I can speak for a lot of firefighters having worked in district 601, downtown, for a long time. We were, and still are, really looking forward to a traditional, Chicago or New York type firehouse at least for the exterior. I am not an architect and don't know all the terminology but this design is not it.
We also were pushing for a two story type design but were advised the fire pole could not be installed in any new station for fear of injuries, lawsuits etc.
The last thing we want is more delays though, this fire station was supposed to have been built with the bond money from the 2000 bond issue and we're still only in the design stage.

CuatrodeMayo
12-15-2008, 08:42 AM
It's not worth building another crappy Edmond building for the sake of time.

warreng88
12-15-2008, 08:52 AM
Where is this going to be located at? I think that might have a lot to do with the design. If it is closer to Deep Deuce, Block 42 and the one attached to Deep Deuce (the name escapes me at the time) then I think a more urban design would be ok. If it is IN Bricktown near the older buildings, etc, then a more traditional design would be appropriate.

fire121
12-15-2008, 09:29 AM
NW corner of Sheridan and Lincoln.

Sounds like it may second as a public restroom, visitor center for travelers entering Bricktown from the east.

Cuatro, Our dishwasher recently bit the dust at the firehouse. It took eight weeks from the first paperwork and phone call reporting this to the proper person until a new dishwasher was delivered. Don't worry about anything getting done too quick. And yes, we are thankful we have dishwashers provided to us by the city.

metro
12-15-2008, 10:51 AM
Where is this going to be located at? I think that might have a lot to do with the design. If it is closer to Deep Deuce, Block 42 and the one attached to Deep Deuce (the name escapes me at the time) then I think a more urban design would be ok. If it is IN Bricktown near the older buildings, etc, then a more traditional design would be appropriate.

That makes no sense, why a more "traditional" style in Bricktown and a more urban design away from Bricktown? I think you meant that the other way around. Either way, this design is clearly a lack of vision and not it. I hope this goes back to the drawing boards.

warreng88
12-15-2008, 10:57 AM
That makes no sense, why a more "traditional" style in Bricktown and a more urban design away from Bricktown? I think you meant that the other way around. Either way, this design is clearly a lack of vision and not it. I hope this goes back to the drawing boards.

Right, strike that, reverse it.

bluedogok
12-15-2008, 02:26 PM
Seems to me this would be a prime opportunity to do a traditional urban style fire station w/o a pitched roof, maybe do a "Green" fire station with a green roof (http://www.greenroofs.com/), no not the type on the ballpark and JDM either. That way you could use some of the height for that type of roof system so it doesn't look like a low-slung suburban station even though it is only a single story station.

GreenRoofs.com - Sustainable Head-Quarters:The West Midlands Fire and Rescue Authority (http://www.greenroofs.com/content/guest_features002.htm)

kevinpate
12-15-2008, 02:39 PM
.oO(cute ... hope no calls come in, gotta mow the roof today)Oo. :)

metro
12-15-2008, 04:45 PM
I don't see why they can't build a two story firehouse. If they are worried about "insurance" or "liability" don't put the pole in and just put stairs. What we're talking about a 7 second increase in the amount of time it takes them to get downstairs? I know speed is important in getting to an emergency, but I don't think that should kill the deal just because of insurance purposes.

jbrown84
12-15-2008, 04:48 PM
Or just don't put the living/sleeping facilities upstairs.

fire121
12-15-2008, 05:15 PM
Could probably just use an enclosed slide from the bedroom to the rig room.

This station was originally supposed to go on the southwest corner of NE 2 and Stiles (I can't remember the new street name there?) It would not fit on that lot so they were considering building a two story in attempt to squeeze it on. That's when the two story issues came up and it was ruled out.

okclee
12-15-2008, 05:29 PM
I think that it is interesting that Firemen (and women), can't use a pole to slide down, due to it being a liability.

Firemen put their lives in danger, day in and day out, but a fire pole is a liability?

CuatrodeMayo
12-15-2008, 07:51 PM
Seems to me this would be a prime opportunity to do a traditional urban style fire station w/o a pitched roof, maybe do a "Green" fire station with a green roof (http://www.greenroofs.com/), no not the type on the ballpark and JDM either. That way you could use some of the height for that type of roof system so it doesn't look like a low-slung suburban station even though it is only a single story station.

GreenRoofs.com - Sustainable Head-Quarters:The West Midlands Fire and Rescue Authority (http://www.greenroofs.com/content/guest_features002.htm)

Excellent idea!

southernskye
12-15-2008, 09:02 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3125/3112414610_d8f594dc73.jpg

fire121
12-15-2008, 09:23 PM
Cool!

Is that a hot tub up there?

Sold!!

betts
12-15-2008, 10:25 PM
I hate that design. I agree, we should have a traditional appearing firehouse. That will not fit in in Bricktown at all.

kevinpate
12-16-2008, 05:48 AM
it is odd that a simple pole slide is too great a liability exposure for firefighters.

After all, with or without a 2 second pole dance, they hear the call, suit up and race through traffic to face toxic fumes, extreme heat, collapsing beams, walls and more, along with the bonus bennie of an occasional explosion of one size or another.

Seems to me the minimal amount of pole time should be counted as some of the safest moments of their lives.

betts
12-16-2008, 09:03 AM
So, will a few e-mails to city council members have any effect? This design is bad enough to be worthy of that, IMO.

metro
12-16-2008, 09:08 AM
Heck, the Bethany Fire Department has a more urban design than this thing, and it's two stories with a pole! I tried googling to find a picture of it but can't find one. Does anyone have a picture of the Bethany Firehouse? Maybe Doug or someone to the Oklahoman's archives?

lasomeday
12-16-2008, 09:49 AM
I am sure they could get some pole sliding training at the Red Dawg and get some sort of Pole Certification.

The Bethany Firestation is my favorite in the city.

sgt. pepper
12-16-2008, 12:51 PM
the city council and fire chief has approved the design. the construction documents are being drawn up as we speak. it will get built as the renderings show. of course anything can be put on hold i guess.

westsidesooner
12-16-2008, 02:00 PM
the city council and fire chief has approved the design. the construction documents are being drawn up as we speak. it will get built as the renderings show. of course anything can be put on hold i guess.

I don't like the design at all, it looks way to suburban. That said..I guess its to late for my 2 cents, but I'd much rather see something like one of these:

http://www.revere.org/images/gallery/large/Fire%20Station.GIF

http://www.smithlayton.com/Images/Projects/West-Jordan-Fire-Station-52.jpg

http://pix.alaporte.net/pub/d/17733-1/NY+Fire+Station.JPG



Heck, the Bethany Fire Department has a more urban design than this thing, and it's two stories with a pole! I tried googling to find a picture of it but can't find one. Does anyone have a picture of the Bethany Firehouse? Maybe Doug or someone to the Oklahoman's archives?

I live about 1/2 mile from the Bethany station, I'll try to get a pic of it.....no promises.

jbrown84
12-16-2008, 02:33 PM
So, will a few e-mails to city council members have any effect? This design is bad enough to be worthy of that, IMO.

I sent one yesterday to Meg Salyer and one other council member that Steve linked to on his blog.

CuatrodeMayo
12-16-2008, 02:41 PM
As did I. Still awaiting a response.

okclee
12-16-2008, 02:41 PM
The last two building approvals issued by the city council have been questionable.

1. downtown chamber of commerce building
2. bricktown fire station

metro
12-16-2008, 03:00 PM
The last two building approvals issued by the city council have been questionable.

1. downtown chamber of commerce building
2. bricktown fire station

Also that hotel that will be off Lincoln, can't remember the name of it.

metro
12-16-2008, 03:00 PM
I sent one yesterday to Meg Salyer and one other council member that Steve linked to on his blog.

Skip Kelly

ewoodard
12-16-2008, 03:07 PM
fire121, my father was the assistant chief at MWC fire and the HQ had a slide from the bunk room to the rig room. It was pretty cool, until a councilman's wife slide down on an open house type gathering and slide into the side of the pumper truck. I had to run outside to laugh, but the slide stayed and all worked well. Good luck in getting the design and layout you guys want. After all you are the one's that have to live there 24 hrs on duty.

okclee
12-16-2008, 03:10 PM
We keep giving the praise for the bricktown mc'd's, but the last few approvals are not acceptable.

Also the bricktown police station has been one of the better new projects in bricktown, at least I think so.

jbrown84
12-16-2008, 03:14 PM
Also that hotel that will be off Lincoln, can't remember the name of it.

The Candlewood has not been approved by BUD.

Urbanized
12-16-2008, 03:33 PM
As did I. Still awaiting a response.
I think you got one in this morning's city council meeting. Not to say that she won't respond via e-mail at some point.

metro
12-16-2008, 04:24 PM
The Candlewood has not been approved by BUD.

I thought it passed preliminary approval but just not final approval?

jbrown84
12-16-2008, 05:44 PM
Something like that. I'm pretty sure the design is being changed, including the site plan, which was what sucked.

oSutrooper
12-19-2008, 06:41 PM
I think it should look like this. What do you think

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f131/oSutrooper/1645472486_6ae0cd6511_b.jpg

CuatrodeMayo
12-19-2008, 10:34 PM
I think it should look like this. What do you think

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f131/oSutrooper/1645472486_6ae0cd6511_b.jpg

It sucks worse than the one being proposed.

kevinpate
12-20-2008, 03:54 AM
yeah, that even makes Norman fire stations look hot, and Norman houses are very bland, much like the OKC station on SE 66th between Shields and I-35

fire121
12-20-2008, 09:03 AM
The irony of this is, fire stations were built in the past with the intention of blending in with their neighborhoods using comparable architecture and materials of those surrounding homes and businesses.

jbrown84
12-20-2008, 04:01 PM
My favorite OKC fire station is the one at 16th & Penn.

bluedogok
12-20-2008, 08:05 PM
Here is a link to the proposed Wellfleet, Massachusetts Fire Station that is a multi-story without a pole.
Town of Wellfleet, MA - New Fire & Rescue Station (http://www.wellfleetma.org/Public_Documents/WellfleetMA_FireDocs/Final_design_plans_online)

There is a more modern LEED rated fire station in Evanston, Illinois being built that would look better than proposed.
City of Evanston - New Fire Station #5 (http://www.cityofevanston.org/departments/fire/news/station5.shtml)
http://www.cityofevanston.org/images/fire/station5-3.jpghttp://www.cityofevanston.org/images/fire/station5-4.jpg

Something more along the line of the truck bays on this proposed Roswell, New Mexico fire station (http://www.roswellfire.com/station_5_renovation.htm) would be better. It would be better as is than what LWPB did....but then that is not a very high bar they set.

http://www.roswellfire.com/images/5landscape.jpg

oSutrooper
12-20-2008, 08:21 PM
What about something like this. This is the new fire station 5 Evanston IL. The first is of the new station and the second is one that is already built. The city web site said that the new station is design as public art.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f131/oSutrooper/Fire-Station-5-RSmart.gif

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f131/oSutrooper/mainphp.jpg

kevinpate
12-21-2008, 06:35 AM
I tend to favor the Roswell design over the others shown above

okrednk
12-21-2008, 06:47 PM
http://www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf220.asp


What about something similiar to this design but possibly larger?

okrednk
12-21-2008, 06:48 PM
How come I can't get the image to post?

okclee
02-25-2009, 10:11 PM
This really is going to be bad for Bricktown.

Drake
02-26-2009, 12:27 AM
MWC is replacing all their fire stations. They actually look pretty good. I or someone else need to dig up pic or rendering. One on N Air Depot is nearing completion.

okclee
02-26-2009, 12:31 PM
I am not referring to the way that the Bricktown Fire House will look. I am referring to the location.

dalelakin
02-26-2009, 01:35 PM
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f131/oSutrooper/mainphp.jpg

Something like that in Oklahoma would require plexiglass or the like due to all of the hail storms, but other than that I like it.

bluedogok
02-26-2009, 09:15 PM
It wouldn't have to be plexi, we use hurricane rated glazing on coastal projects. Now plexi might make sense on the overhead doors but I have seen doors larger than that with glass in them, they are just very heavy.

BG918
02-27-2009, 03:48 PM
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f131/oSutrooper/mainphp.jpg

I like this design. I could see such a fire station with brick and lots of glass being a better gateway building to Bricktown at Lincoln & Sheridan.

Any updates on a redesign?

metro
04-09-2009, 08:51 AM
Looks like the committee approved the new designs yesterday. I was hoping they'd make them tweak them a little more and get rid of the front parking lot and build it closer to the street with parallel parking on the street. Still looks pretty suburban to me.

http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/files/2009/04/firestation2.jpg

http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/files/2009/04/firestation2.jpg

http://photos.newsok.com/2/showimage/557498/w280/


http://newsok.com/committee-backs-changes-to-bricktown-firehouse-plan/article/3360108?custom_click=headlines_widget
Committee backs changes to Bricktown firehouse plan
Published: April 9, 2009

A "retooling” of designs for a proposed Bricktown fire station has won unanimous approval from a once skeptical Bricktown Urban Design Committee.

Earlier plans for the station, to be built at Lincoln Boulevard and Sheridan Avenue, were criticized as being too suburban and not meeting standards applied to commercial structures in the area.

Designs by LWPB were applauded at Wednesday’s committee meeting for featuring doors resembling those used in 1910 and including a tower similar to one used with the Bricktown Police Substation.

Construction is expected to begin later this year.

westsidesooner
04-09-2009, 09:44 AM
It is much better than the original design. And I do like the the old-school garage doors. But... I wish the tower would be a little more prominent

bombermwc
04-09-2009, 11:25 AM
Well it's not like we're seeing much architectural style in other departments around town. MWC is rebuilding 3 stations...including moving HQ's. The old HQ was a 70's era small round stone building...nothing spectacular, but not horrible. It matched the police station and municipcal complex next door to it.

The newest station ( i believe it's #2..the old #2 matched HQ in style ) recently finished it's exterior work. It's your basic brick building. Everything is square, nothing fancy....it's a form follows function building. 2 floors, but I believe it will have a slide and not a pole....the slides work better anyway. So we're not seeing much imagination in civic structures. However, as a tax payer, I'd probably rather see a conservative use of my money on this type of project. Is there really a need for a fire station to be super fancy? As long as you've got a place to shove a couple engines and a place for people to live on shift...what else do you need?

metro
04-09-2009, 11:27 AM
Downtown OKC =/ MidWest City

Joe Kimball
04-09-2009, 01:08 PM
Is there really a need for a fire station to be super fancy? As long as you've got a place to shove a couple engines and a place for people to live on shift...what else do you need?

As a non-firefighter, I suppose a varying definition of the above might answer what else is needed. The fastest and most efficient way for apparatus to get out and conditions that facilitate appropriate mental and physical condition of the firefighters---I would see that as necessary.

CuatrodeMayo
04-09-2009, 01:23 PM
Not a fan of the site plan...still.

BG918
04-10-2009, 08:56 AM
Where exactly is the site?

bombermwc
04-10-2009, 09:24 AM
metro = thank you captain obvious. But if you look around OKC, it's the same situation. They're mostly neighborhood facilities built to NOT stand out. So it's in bricktown....does that mean it's supposed to be extravagant? The police station certainly isn't.

And let me remind you that the MWC fire department is the only one in the state with a class 1 rating. SOooo their facilities seem to be more than adequate bub.