View Full Version : The Strength of the Devon Tower



Thunder
08-21-2008, 11:26 PM
Okay, the other threads is simply too long and it would bury this topic.

Did the officials discuss the strength of the building? Such as withstanding the event of tornado, extreme heat, explosion, and terrorist attack?

What is the key features or materials for this new building? Are they going to set aside emergency elevators with own power supply? Spiral slides from top to bottom? Stairs that can automatically convert the steps to slides? What about plans for those that jumps out of the building when all options (previously stated) is not available?

Toadrax
08-22-2008, 05:17 AM
Can it turn into a robot and fight off an alien invader?

Oh GAWD the Smell!
08-22-2008, 05:53 AM
I heard that it's going to be built entirely out of used Copenhagen cans and spitting out the windows will be not only encouraged, but rewarded with fresh cans of the smokeless tabaccy as well as barrels of light sweet crude for the best "cowboy pinstripe" down the side of the building. There will aslo be a quarterly bonus for "most pedestrians hit in the eye with enthusiastic expectorations" from any floor above #10. It's gonna be saaweeeet.






*p-tooey*


*ting*

Thunder
08-22-2008, 06:08 AM
Can't you two get any more serious?

OKC would want to know about security and safety issues, since this building is going to be attracting a whole lot of people.

stickboy
08-22-2008, 06:48 AM
They did not get into anything too specific, but again emphasized that this building would be state of the art and that they have retained the services of numerous specialists to ensure the building will be protected against disasters, etc. I imagine you will hear more about this as the design ideas firm up.

wsucougz
08-22-2008, 07:58 AM
They said they will stock a hangglider and 3 jetpacks on the roof and that every employee above floor 2 will be issued a parachute.


What about plans for those that jumps out of the building when all options (previously stated) is not available? death?

traxx
08-22-2008, 08:10 AM
I believe at the press conference they said it was going to be protected by a force field and a cloaking device.:D

soonerfever
08-22-2008, 08:22 AM
All I know is that they aren't thinking like the people in NYC building the Freedom Tower. For those of you who haven't seen the designs its about a 5 story box on the bottom with no windows and just one door on each side. I am sure that Devon and the designers haven't completly finshed the building. Every building built in a post-911 world will have more security features just don't expect to know about all of them.

OKCMallen
08-22-2008, 08:37 AM
I heard that it's going to be built entirely out of used Copenhagen cans and spitting out the windows will be not only encouraged, but rewarded with fresh cans of the smokeless tabaccy as well as barrels of light sweet crude for the best "cowboy pinstripe" down the side of the building. There will aslo be a quarterly bonus for "most pedestrians hit in the eye with enthusiastic expectorations" from any floor above #10. It's gonna be saaweeeet.






*p-tooey*


*ting*


If this sucker is made with empty dip cans in Oklahoma City, it's going to be a lot taller than a piddly 925 feet!!!!

Insider
08-22-2008, 08:42 AM
They have stated that this building would be state of the art and is being designed with all threats of this day in age in mind (this is an exact quote). They are taking into account the winds of Oklahoma, severe weather threats, as well as the lesser known earthquake threats. Not to mention the terrorist threats.

Rover
08-22-2008, 08:53 AM
If the design process was understood here then the question needn't be asked. This is a world class designer and developer. It will be a world class facility.

PokeyePierce
08-22-2008, 08:58 AM
The Chase tower and the KMG building will make you seasick on a windy day. The architect claims that the new tower will be sturdier making windy days unnoticeable.

Toadrax
08-22-2008, 09:05 AM
But can it blend?

Pete
08-22-2008, 09:12 AM
For years I worked on the 29th floor of 50-story building in downtown L.A. It was built in the 70's.

In California, the buildings have to have a lot of give to absorb earthquake shcokwaves... On windy day, that building swayed like waving wheat. It certainly took some getting used to.

Fortunately, Devon Tower can benefit from all the very tall buildings that have been constructed in places like Hong Kong and Taipei, where they have to withstand the threat of typhoons and earthquakes.

As with anything, engineers look to what has already been done and what has worked well. They have lots of examples to draw from... And we're talking about a developer (Hines) and architect (Pickard Chilton) that have tremendous experience in designing and building skyscrapers.

I think the fundamental strategy is to build and extra strong core, with steel reinforcement.

Chefdavies
08-22-2008, 09:38 AM
Here is a question we discussed in the kitchen yesterday. The tower is to be completed in 2012 right? Well isn't that suppose to be the end of time? It could be the biggest waist of time and money...other than the XFL

Toadrax
08-22-2008, 09:42 AM
I could explain it to you Chef, but it would require me drawing you a picture.

The Flying Speghetti Monster will save us, so don't worry about it.

OU Adonis
08-22-2008, 09:42 AM
I was thinking the same thing Chef

Oh GAWD the Smell!
08-22-2008, 09:44 AM
I could explain it to you Chef, but it would require me drawing you a picture.

Maybe a pie chart. Charts and graphs trump all arguments.

Kerry
08-22-2008, 09:48 AM
Here is a question we discussed in the kitchen yesterday. The tower is to be completed in 2012 right? Well isn't that suppose to be the end of time? It could be the biggest waist of time and money...other than the XFL

Well that would make sense. OKC finally gets a tower to be proud of and the world ends the next day. Just our luck. The good news is hell froze over last Wednesday.

Toadrax
08-22-2008, 09:51 AM
Actually, it is already over.

I've been trying since 1991 to get a pink tail and today, I got one! Yay!

Toadrax
08-22-2008, 09:55 AM
"Th-this color...this texture, this form! You've found the Pink Tail of legend! And you'd give it to me? Incredible! Let me give you this in exchange!"

Obtained Adamant Armor.

I can die happy now.

proud2Bsooner
08-22-2008, 10:30 AM
With all the clay soil 'round these parts I also hope they accounted for settling. Can you imagine the long crack in the glass that would be caused by that? Imagine how many doors would then be difficult to close. This is a huge scale of a plan and hopefully they accounted for all these things. :dizzy:

Toadrax
08-22-2008, 11:31 AM
Something like that happened to the Robinson Rennisance....

A few years ago a series of busted pipes in front of the building eroded away all of the dirt that the northeast edge settled on.

Lots of doors stopped working, drywall cracked, etc :P

Thunder
08-22-2008, 04:32 PM
How much of inches is the Chase tower moving around on a windy day?

What about the tower that you're working at Pete?

How can these towers remain standing for years of moving around so much?

Isn't that one of the main cause for the collaspe of the Twin Towers in NYC as well? Those buildings were very tall, and to look at the date it was built, I am sure those two towers were definately swaving back and forth, weakening the core.

SoonerFever, are you thinking of a giant air deflater, or whatever the material is called, that is hidden around the building and deployed during a disaster to let people jump to safety?

About the Chase tower and the other tall towers, are they still standing perfectly straight up as they were on the first day, or are they a bit off by a few inches? Is there any actual way that inspectors can find out? Are any of the towers, past and current, built perfectly straight up?

CuatrodeMayo
08-22-2008, 04:42 PM
Well if you know anything about construction...nothing is perfectly anything.

High-rise building as designed to sway. It is no flaw. To build a building of that size to not move in the wind would take 3 times as much steel to construct. The fatigue the movement puts on the steel is well within acceptable limits...It will not compromise the structural integrity.

It has been said before, but this thread is quite pointless. The architects and engineers and experts in this field and I can guarentee you they will do it right.

Pete
08-22-2008, 04:50 PM
I don't know about wind, but with earthquakes the buildings have to give and sway in order to absorb the shockwaves.

Some are even built on rollers.

Building movement is sometimes the best way to deal with the elements.

Thunder
08-22-2008, 04:53 PM
Rollers? There are wheels or tires under the towers?!

soonerfever
08-22-2008, 05:09 PM
SoonerFever, are you thinking of a giant air deflater, or whatever the material is called, that is hidden around the building and deployed during a disaster to let people jump to safety?

No not hardly. Let me first say that I understand their concerns, but if you are going to do this, don't call it the Freedom Tower. We are going to build the WTC back even better than it was before to show are strength. However we are still afraid of you. Not to mention they could have built this as tall as they wanted to but no letís make it 1776 feet. Let get back on the topic of the Devon Tower or I will rant all night.

This is a quote from Skyscraperpage.com about the base of the Freedom Tower

"-The new design attempts to address the NYPD's concerns with its 186.5-foot-high reinforced concrete blast resistant base, which will contain the Freedom Tower's 80-foot tall lobby and three of its mechanical floors.

- The base of the tower, which was originally to be clad in polished steel and titanium like 7 WTC, will now be covered in vertical bands of glass prisms. The base will have no windows except for several tall narrow ones which will be placed a minimum of 25 feet above the ground."

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/1208/ftrelatedimages01sx3.jpg

Thunder
08-22-2008, 05:17 PM
Is that the Freedom Tower? All that space is where the Twin Towers once were?

OMG, the space had gotten so much smaller! Freedom Tower already completed?!

It is a beautiful building! I'm amazed they couldn't build one for the OKC (Murrah bombing)!!!

Holy Bunny!!!

CuatrodeMayo
08-22-2008, 05:27 PM
It's not completed...that is just a REALLY good rendering. Quite remarkable job.

This is more like it:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Wtcsite-20080420a.jpg

soonerfever
08-22-2008, 05:28 PM
Is that the Freedom Tower? All that space is where the Twin Towers once were?

OMG, the space had gotten so much smaller! Freedom Tower already completed?!

It is a beautiful building! I'm amazed they couldn't build one for the OKC (Murrah bombing)!!!

Holy Bunny!!!

No it isn't completed yet. They haven't even got 5 stories above ground yet. Everyone involved keeps fighting over the smallest things. This is the second design. The first design was chosen and then construction was halted as they chose a second design. There is a really good chance that the Devon Tower will be competed and occupied before this is completed. 10+ years after the attacks.

By the way the whole design plan is wonderful (except for the base of the tower) and I think (hope) the memorial will be appropriate for the victims and their families.

OKCMallen
08-22-2008, 05:29 PM
There is a really good chance that the Devon Tower will be competed and occupied before this is completed. 10+ years after the attacks.



I'd actually bet on that.

securityinfo
08-22-2008, 05:43 PM
Something like that happened to the Robinson Rennisance....


Lots of doors stopped working, drywall cracked, etc :P

We can send over Barry Switzer and Powerlift to fix 'em up!

jbrown84
08-22-2008, 10:45 PM
Is that the Freedom Tower? All that space is where the Twin Towers once were?

OMG, the space had gotten so much smaller!

No, it is not going to occupy all that space. There is an outdoor memorial. Two sunken pools in the location of the former towers, I believe.

http://www.national911memorial.org/images/content/pagebuilder/109956.jpg

This shows the whole site, but it's the previous Freedom Tower design (which was better IMO).

http://www.tropolism.com/mem_aerial_large.jpg

Thunder
08-23-2008, 01:17 AM
OMG I thought it was done already. ROFL

I did hear about Trump being a major role in being a crictic of the Freedom Tower.

Why don't they scrap it all and come down to OKC for a real look at the memorial and get it right in NYC?

CuatrodeMayo
08-25-2008, 08:30 AM
The Don has no taste, tho.

sroberts24
08-25-2008, 10:02 AM
they have come to okc to look at the memorial

Kerry
08-25-2008, 10:25 AM
If I was in charge here is the design I would have gone with.

New World Trade Center Design With Middle Finger (http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/funnypictures/ig/100-Funny-Pictures/New-World-Trade-Center.htm)

Thunder
08-25-2008, 08:05 PM
Maybe they're having a problem to get the approval of...

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/A/d/darth_vader_cheney.jpg

OUGrad05
08-25-2008, 08:14 PM
Maybe they're having a problem to get the approval of...

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/A/d/darth_vader_cheney.jpg

:dizzy: :bow: that is pure hilarity

fromdust
08-25-2008, 09:17 PM
some people here seem to think that theyre going to build the tower out of jenga blocks. sheeesh.
the freedom tower will never be built as long as the gov. of nyc is in charge. it should have been built a loong time ago. really i would have trump build it and let him run his name in giant gold letters up and down the building. gaudy? yes, but it would have been done years ago.

Kerry
08-25-2008, 10:09 PM
Anyone notice how much the original design looks like the Statue of Liberty?

http://www.tropolism.com/mem_aerial_large.jpg

jbrown84
08-26-2008, 03:24 PM
The Don has no taste, tho.

I agree. The Freedom Tower masterplan is much better than the one that Trump wanted that included rebuilding two more ugly rectangular boxes.

metro
08-26-2008, 03:34 PM
Didn't know NYC had a governor.

fromdust
08-26-2008, 09:47 PM
Didn't know NYC had a governor.

im pretty sure youre talking bout my post. my bad, i meant city government. jeebus