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metro
06-02-2009, 07:53 AM
http://www.journalrecord.com/_images/articles/t_labskc-Devon%20Boathouse_06-02-09.jpg

metro
06-02-2009, 08:26 AM
Here is a neat video of the Devon/OCU boathouse. It will also have an indoor pool and indoor water rowing pool.

Inline Article Video Player (http://feeds.newsok.tv/services/player/bcpid4659235001?bctid=24946940001)

warreng88
08-05-2009, 10:01 AM
Just got an e-mail from a friend of mine that works at the boathouse and Mike Knopp has started a blog. So you can follow the Oklahoma River Development from the man himself.

Oklahoma River: A Vision for the Future (http://www.oklahomariver.blogspot.com/)

metro
08-06-2009, 09:07 AM
Great! Thanks for posting that.

Pete
10-19-2009, 09:11 AM
Checking the various blogs, I found some photos that show the OCU (Devon) and OU boathouses are coming along... Still slated to be complete in about a year.

Not sure when they plan to start on the finishing tower. In the foreground is the prow for OCU and the OU site is being readied behind (this is from mid-September):

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QJCmVrtNDjI/SrWZYJkyYpI/AAAAAAAAA0o/G9T0D7mOxww/s1600/IMG_2843.JPG

metro
10-19-2009, 09:28 AM
Thanks Pete. Too bad the City doesn't have the foresight to bury the power lines above. What an eyesore.

Pete
10-19-2009, 09:31 AM
Perhaps that's being planned for later? Hope so.

Still lots of work to be done as part of the master plan.

jbrown84
10-19-2009, 10:57 AM
Thanks Pete. Too bad the City doesn't have the foresight to bury the power lines above. What an eyesore.

Agreed.

sroberts24
10-19-2009, 11:05 AM
I'm kinda surprised more people haven't been talking bout this... I know the Devon building has everybody's attention right now but still this is big time!

would def like to see more updates

Platemaker
03-05-2010, 09:36 AM
They removed the high-voltage power lines from Boathouse Row!

OKC@heart
03-05-2010, 09:46 AM
There is a blog set up monitoring the progress on this exciting project. It is just not updated very often usually once every week or so. Sometimes more often depending on what is taking place.

A lot has taken place in a short amount of time. The foundation was poured and the first columns have been erected! The building is taking shape!

Boathouse District Development (http://boathousedistrictdevelopment.blogspot.com/)

Man I wish there was a consturction cam now that they are getting above ground!

Pete
03-05-2010, 11:22 AM
Looks like the power lines -- at least on the north shore near the boathouses under construction -- have been removed.

There should be four structures underway: Devon (OCU) boathouse, OU boathouse, UCO boathouse and the finish line tower.

mmonroe
03-05-2010, 12:13 PM
All of these projects, this has to be the greatest time to live in THIS city!

Kerry
03-05-2010, 12:58 PM
All of these projects, this has to be the greatest time to live in THIS city!

In the last 50 to 60 years you would be correct. However, as far as we have come, we have not yet even recreated what Oklahoma City once was. We just re-opened a hotel that first opened nearly 100 years ago and we have yet to surpass the Oklahoma City of 1950. That should be a testament to how far we fell. But I will say this; I don't think the future has shined any brighter since a bunch of people pulling wagons first stopped at the banks of a small river in 1889.

ljbab728
03-05-2010, 11:54 PM
In the last 50 to 60 years you would be correct. However, as far as we have come, we have not yet even recreated what Oklahoma City once was. We just re-opened a hotel that first opened nearly 100 years ago and we have yet to surpass the Oklahoma City of 1950. That should be a testament to how far we fell.

As far as the urban fabric of downtown, you're correct. But that isn't all there was to OKC in 1950. Keep in mind that not all of our citizens were enjoying that. Segregation was rampant then.

kbsooner
03-06-2010, 07:28 AM
Looks like the power lines -- at least on the north shore near the boathouses under construction -- have been removed.

There should be four structures underway: Devon (OCU) boathouse, OU boathouse, UCO boathouse and the finish line tower.

Is the finish line tower a finished and awarded project? I am extremely curious to see how they pull it off structurally. The renderings didn't have a lot of obvious column placements and a lot of cantilevered slabs.

USG '60
03-06-2010, 08:28 AM
Please excuse such a dumb question, but EXACTLY where are these? Where is the access to go see them?

rcjunkie
03-06-2010, 08:53 AM
Please excuse such a dumb question, but EXACTLY where are these? Where is the access to go see them?

The Boathouses are S. of Reno on Byers (on the N. side of the Oklahoma River)

Pete
03-06-2010, 08:56 AM
Is the finish line tower a finished and awarded project

Yes. It's fully funded and slated for completion at the same time of the Devon/OCU boathouse, which should be October of this year.

jonno
03-06-2010, 09:32 AM
The Boathouses are S. of Reno on Byers (on the N. side of the Oklahoma River)

Just a little more info. for people having a hard time picturing the location. In the photo below Lincoln Ave. is the bridge crossing the Oklahoma River. The Chesapeake boathouse is the funny shaped building just west of Lincoln. The finishline tower and other boathouses will be east of Lincoln.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/295/boathouserow.png (http://img246.imageshack.us/i/boathouserow.png/)

betts
03-06-2010, 09:35 AM
It's pretty easy to find. You drive towards the Chesapeake boathouse and instead of turning right into the parking lot, you turn left. The last time I was there there were some houses in that location and a few streets, but if you head towards the river, it's pretty obvious where the construction is.

jbrown84
03-09-2010, 10:03 PM
So glad the power lines have come down. I hadn't noticed that, but had certainly noticed how ugly they were before. They need to do that the entire length of the river as well as in Bricktown.

Watson410
03-12-2010, 08:24 AM
They're putting the steel up pretty quick.. They have most of the main outside steel done. I tried to take a pic from the bridge to show everybody the progress but my camera phone SUCKS!!! If someone gets a chance this weekend to take a pic and post it, that'd be greatly appreciated!! Weren't they suppose to already start the finish line tower too?!?

OKC@heart
03-12-2010, 09:03 AM
It was my understanding that the funding for and construction of the boat houses was in place prior to getting the approval for the finishline tower. I know The tower has been approved and so would expect construction to follow. I have no idea if working drawings were complete at that time, or if it was just a preliminary approval that has triggered the documentation phase that will lead to the permit being pulled and construction started.

Watson410
03-12-2010, 09:37 AM
Right now they have a massive pile of dirt where the tower is suppose to sit.. Is there any events planned this summer or fall? Wouldn't they need to get on the ball if so?

metro
03-12-2010, 10:51 AM
Well, the Head of the Oklahoma is every fall and is our big event....

Watson410
03-12-2010, 12:12 PM
They better step on it then!! I guess they could use the south shore if they had to...

joseph
03-13-2010, 11:38 AM
Take a look here for the latest Boathouse District details and some great pics:

Boathouse District Development (http://boathousedistrictdevelopment.blogspot.com/)

Very exciting!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QJCmVrtNDjI/S5vRHOnQWzI/AAAAAAAABrs/Y0X60fFmNfg/s1600-h/IMG_3660.JPG

betts
03-13-2010, 01:04 PM
Very exciting. My son is arriving from Iraq today (I am VERY happy about that) and he's not been in the US for anything but a short vacation for four years. I'm really looking forward to showing him around OKC, and I think he'll be impressed. The river still had grass in it when he left for college.

Larry OKC
03-14-2010, 03:28 AM
Very exciting. My son is arriving from Iraq today (I am VERY happy about that) and he's not been in the US for anything but a short vacation for four years. I'm really looking forward to showing him around OKC, and I think he'll be impressed. The river still had grass in it when he left for college.

Congrats on your son's safe return home.

kevinpate
03-14-2010, 06:34 AM
Very exciting. My son is arriving from Iraq today (I am VERY happy about that) and he's not been in the US for anything but a short vacation for four years. I'm really looking forward to showing him around OKC, and I think he'll be impressed. The river still had grass in it when he left for college.

I'm happy for your family. Please pass on our thanks for his service as you show him around. I have to imagine he'll be rather impressed with the changes.

Pete
03-14-2010, 12:04 PM
Some interesting updates from that blog:


Chesapeake Finish Line Tower Site - mobilization and construction to commence next week with March 2011 completion

So, the tower has been delayed until next spring from the previously announced fall 2010 completion date.


University of Oklahoma Boathouse site with "prow" nearing completion; OU and UCO Boathouse construction details to be announced. UCO "prow" to begin construction next week.

So, it DOES look all four structures (Devon, OU, UCO and finish tower) are or will soon be under construction. I bet the latter two boathouses will be finished in the spring as well.


Additional construction details:
Reconstruction of 6th Street - phase one: Completion in September 2010
Development of Boathouse District parking lots - phase one: summer
Shoreline contouring, sodding, and completion of sidewalks - June 1 completion
South side boat ramp and parking lot (west of Lincoln Bridge) - construction underway, phase 1 completion in April
Transmission line removal - phase one (swing out from Boathouse District to 6th Street) - late March 2010 completion; Phase two - complete removal from north bank (including Chesapeake Boathouse area) - 2011


Very, very exciting! This setting will really help OKC stand apart and will provide a great, signature skyline shot.

jonno
03-18-2010, 07:31 PM
Thought I'd share a picture I took today of the Boathouse Row area under construction. This was taken on the Lincoln Blvd. bridge over the Oklahoma River looking east. Looking good!
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9229/phpy746wqpm.jpg

metro
03-19-2010, 09:00 AM
Thanks for the picture! A slight correction, it's actually Byer's Ave. Bridge.

betts
03-20-2010, 01:09 PM
An interesting update today on the Chesapeake Finish Line tower. It sounds like it's going to be a really unique addition to the landscape:

Boathouse District Development (http://boathousedistrictdevelopment.blogspot.com/)

OKC@heart
03-23-2010, 09:10 AM
I am a huge fan of the development of our river front and am so encouraged that the boathouse row has become such a draw nationaly and internationaly. I have to say that of all the renderings that I have seen of the facilities that are going in, the one that is posted on the blog link above of the finish line tower, totally underwhelmed me. The one shown in the masterplan and the revised one shown in the Maps III images showing Finish Line tower were breathtaking! I know that the reality of execution often lessens the conceptual impact of many designs, and maybe it was simply that it was taken from a direct elevational perspective, but it felt to me like the dynamism of the earlier images got replaced by cantelevered 4 story office building with no soul that happens to be right at the rivers edge. This is just my opinion and I realize that it quite possibly could be the result of a poor image being chosen to portray it. (I really hope that is it) but would be interested to see the final plans or some additional renderings to make confirm that. Love seeing the images and thanks for all who have taken the time to post the progress shots what a great time to be in OKC!!!!

circuitboard
03-23-2010, 09:47 AM
An interesting update today on the Chesapeake Finish Line tower. It sounds like it's going to be a really unique addition to the landscape:

Boathouse District Development (http://boathousedistrictdevelopment.blogspot.com/)

That is sweet!!

OKC@heart
03-23-2010, 09:56 AM
I am a huge fan of the development of our river front and am so encouraged that the boathouse row has become such a draw nationaly and internationaly. I have to say that of all the renderings that I have seen of the facilities that are going in, the one that is posted on the blog link above of the finish line tower, totally underwhelmed me. The one shown in the masterplan and the revised one shown in the Maps III images showing Finish Line tower were breathtaking! I know that the reality of execution often lessens the conceptual impact of many designs, and maybe it was simply that it was taken from a direct elevational perspective, but it felt to me like the dynamism of the earlier images got replaced by cantelevered 4 story office building with no soul that happens to be right at the rivers edge. This is just my opinion and I realize that it quite possibly could be the result of a poor image being chosen to portray it. (I really hope that is it) but would be interested to see the final plans or some additional renderings to make confirm that. Love seeing the images and thanks for all who have taken the time to post the progress shots what a great time to be in OKC!!!!

This is what I am talking about, follow the link to the architects web site and see the design for Finish line tower and then see the one that is posted on the blog. Completely different design articulations, the one on Rands' Site is elegant, transparent and light. Very fitting and complimentary with the other structures as an icon of the river.

Elliott + Associates Architects (http://www.e-a-a.com/Ideas/FinishLineTower.html)

Then the second as...well it is not very exciting and lack the grace and execution that I would have hoped for. I will leave it at that.

Pete
03-23-2010, 10:31 AM
Yes the latest version (on top) is a very far cry from what was originally proposed:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/misc/finish2.jpg

http://www.e-a-a.com/FLT%201%20small.jpg

betts
03-23-2010, 11:34 AM
Are we sure that's not just a different angle? The lower drawing would look very similar to the upper one if looked at head on.

sroberts24
03-23-2010, 11:53 AM
I think they are the same u just can't see thru the glass on the new one

Pete
03-23-2010, 11:54 AM
I hope you guys are right!

OKCisOK4me
03-23-2010, 11:59 AM
Looks the same to me!

OKC@heart
03-23-2010, 12:04 PM
I realize that it quite possibly could be the result of a poor image being chosen to portray it. (I really hope that is it) but would be interested to see the final plans or some additional renderings to make confirm that.

You will notice that in the first post that I expressed hope that it was, but regardless the image was probably the worst one to show to get people excited. The structure free and mullion free design shown in the architects renderings have such a dramatic transparancy that it makes the geometry elegant and light.

with the more traditional window wall with the horizontal and vertical mullions expressed on the exterior it completely changes the articulation and makes the design seem clumsy and overly heavy for the cantelever.

The former can be achieved by having the glazing structure behind the glass, but it increases the cost substantially. I had just hoped that since this is a very significant and vertical building that the additional money would have been justified to make sure the design intent translates. Look closely at the two images posted just previously to see what I am writing about. with transparancy the cantelever of the floors seems appropriate. With the most recent one it seems overly heavy and pointless to have centrally cantelevered. If it was all due to monetary savings then a canted structure that leans out over the water with glazing all the way down would have saved much more money, then utilizing the cantelever.

metro
03-23-2010, 12:48 PM
Looks the same to me only a different angle.

jbrown84
03-23-2010, 01:24 PM
Yes the latest version (on top) is a very far cry from what was originally proposed:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/misc/finish2.jpg

http://www.e-a-a.com/FLT%201%20small.jpg

It looks like the exact same thing to me. It's just a different angle, guys...


The former can be achieved by having the glazing structure behind the glass, but it increases the cost substantially. I had just hoped that since this is a very significant and vertical building that the additional money would have been justified to make sure the design intent translates. Look closely at the two images posted just previously to see what I am writing about. with transparancy the cantelever of the floors seems appropriate. With the most recent one it seems overly heavy and pointless to have centrally cantelevered. If it was all due to monetary savings then a canted structure that leans out over the water with glazing all the way down would have saved much more money, then utilizing the cantelever.

I'll admit I don't follow your terminology completely, but I just don't see the difference. The original rendering is more abstract, whereas the second one is admittedly a bad angle and also depicts the glare that would make the glass less transparent from certain perspectives.

Dustin
03-23-2010, 01:59 PM
Looks the same to me as well!

john60
03-23-2010, 06:44 PM
Here's the link to the video rendering of the boathouse:

YouTube - Chesapeake Energy's Finish Line Tower (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwoZoCZNtL0)

okrednk
03-23-2010, 08:00 PM
Are we sure that's not just a different angle? The lower drawing would look very similar to the upper one if looked at head on.

I agree betts.

OKC@heart
03-23-2010, 11:00 PM
Most may be the angle, however there are some differences however subtle they may be that lessen the effectiveness of the design if they are in fact design modifications due to value engineering.

If you look at the image posted above and then compare it with the video at 3min.45sec (3.45) you can see that the it appears to be a identical perpendicular shot to the elevation. Granted it is not as close or with as much detail, but nonetheless it appears to me that the structural support of the building in the video is much more asymmetrically positioned and lends to the sleek and dynamic form of the building. Additionally where previously the balcony had a transparent portion articulating the finish line stripe as translated vertically up the skin of the building, it is now replaced with a solid concrete balcony. (I am sure this was a cost saving measure) Next the reflective nature of the glass does make the building seem to gain weight or increase the sense of mass to the structure. You see more of the exterior geometry and less of the integrated transparency and the elegant and bold knife edges formed by the cantilevered floors as the lightly touch the glazed envelope. The corner mullions (the steel supports at the building edges extending vertically on either end of the disappointing rendering further block the transparency and dilute the graceful design intent. (this too may have been a cost saving or "value engineering" revision) which can occur as a way to replace a structurally glazed enclosure (more closely like the original design) with a less expensive stick built curtain wall or even window wall system.

Individually I am sure that most would say that these are relatively minor changes, however the cumulative effects that each have is what has caused my alarm, and I think whether consciously or subconsciously it grabbed Pete's attention in the same way. The difference is always in the details and it truly makes a huge difference to the overall way the building is perceived and can cloud an otherwise crystal clear and well executed concept into the built form. These structures are so unique that you can without a doubt know that the architectural community will take notice and they will be vastly more critical than I am here.

Let me also be clear that I am a fan of Rand's work, and am not trying to be a downer on this fantastic collection of structures that will stand singularly alone as the finest rowing venue in the world when completed. It is because I love pure well done design, and as a designer can empathize with the fact that value engineering is often a harsh reality; however every once in a while a project has such importance (as I really feel this one does) that it impacts the entire development. The finish line tower acts as a crescendo to the procession of row houses. It is such an important and visible structure that I would argue makes it worth the additional dollars. Let the design have the best shot at garnering design awards that will further provide advertising and positive exposure to the city, venue and state. It will help the architect to do so, and the result will benefit the development itself, the organizations invested and involved, the river front, and the city, for years to come. Significant architecture can and will in and of itself draw tourism.

Or it also may be that I need more sleep...lol!

betts
03-24-2010, 02:40 AM
To take the opposing argument, you can draw anything. Making that drawing fit a budget or taking into account environmental or other factors is a necessary fact of life. We may not have the additional dollars, or the original drawing may have been a flight of fancy that had to be altered once the reality of making it wind and weather worthy or practical for its intended purpose came into play (I don't know that, just throwing out possibilities).

Although it would be nice to have a very iconic piece of architecture on the river, we're still looking at a drawing and we're looking at it from a vantage point different from how we will view it once it's constructed. The river is still the focal point, IMO, and the tower will be only one part of a collection of structures that will make being on or near the river more aesthetically pleasing.

OKC@heart
03-24-2010, 09:25 AM
Betts I appreciate your thoughts and don't feel at all that your viewpoint is in opposition to what I stated. The economic factors are absolutely a fact of life that any designer must work within. It is often a moving target due to market fluctuations in material and labor pricing. I have watched projects that were designed well within budget escalate by as much as 30% due to shortages of steel or glazing supply as caused by the insatiable Chinese appetite and willingness to pay for them. I have also seen projects designed to a certain budget come in under what was anticipated due to similar market fluctuations.

I am not new to the economic realities, I am very aware of structural and construction related capabilities and what can be accomplished as it relates to the wind (lateral) loads that are exerted on a building, among many others. My comments were based on weighing the most probable reasons for the changes that I was seeing.

The difference is in the philosophy that if you are going to do something, and you aspire to do something great, then doing something less great is disappointing, and the level of attention to details and execution of the designed intent can then be misunderstood.

Take any of the boathouses, as an example. There are boathouses around the country; many are simply glorified metal shacks on the river that are simply used for storage of the boats with a dock to launch from. Now look at the difference that the Chesapeake boat house makes to the riverfront. There is no question that it has played a role in redefining what the boathouse can be. It has also brought a great deal of attention to the riverfront and has certainly contributed to the momentum and development of what we are seeing be constructed on the other side of the overpass.

The point being well executed design can essentially pay for its additional costs if the client is forward thinking enough to consider the additional positive PR that can be had among other advantages.

OKC@heart
03-24-2010, 10:15 AM
There has been a new post today that clarifies the issues that we have been discussing here. There are new renderings that will be made available soon that will show us the current refined drawings with changes made. They also explained that there were some changes made in the previous post that are not shown in the images of the current one.

Boathouse District Development (http://boathousedistrictdevelopment.blogspot.com/)

jbrown84
03-24-2010, 09:59 PM
@heart, the following new renderings don't show the vertical supports in the corners that you were worried about, and they also appear more transparent, like the original render.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QJCmVrtNDjI/S6lV0v9MAdI/AAAAAAAAByM/6xEHngxlB5o/s320/stair+tower+1.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QJCmVrtNDjI/S6lVqUaJZDI/AAAAAAAABx0/ez1GPi-xuFA/s320/finishline+tower_0008_Layer+16.jpg

bombermwc
03-26-2010, 10:23 AM
so as we said...it's the same building. Don't get your panties all in a twist.

OKC@heart
03-26-2010, 10:27 AM
@heart, the following new renderings don't show the vertical supports in the corners that you were worried about, and they also appear more transparent, like the original render.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QJCmVrtNDjI/S6lV0v9MAdI/AAAAAAAAByM/6xEHngxlB5o/s320/stair+tower+1.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QJCmVrtNDjI/S6lVqUaJZDI/AAAAAAAABx0/ez1GPi-xuFA/s320/finishline+tower_0008_Layer+16.jpg

Not trying to make a huge deal out of this but if you reread the statement on the blog, particularly under the second image, it is referring to the Post below that was originally in question, and verified that changes had been made that would be visable in renderings that were to come.

I will reserve further judgement until the renderings are released. Still this is a great project that I will be excited to see move forward and be constructed.

sroberts24
03-26-2010, 10:40 AM
Oklahoma City National High Performance Center (http://okchighperformance.blogspot.com/)

Was looking at the pictures from Wednesday's post and noticed the banks of the river all in front of the Devon Boathouse are still all rocks! What do we have to do to get this changed?!?!

metro
03-26-2010, 10:44 AM
Go remove them ourselves

sroberts24
03-26-2010, 10:48 AM
Go remove them ourselves

HaHa one rock at a time!

mheaton76
03-26-2010, 02:30 PM
For those of you on Twitter, I just found out that the Boathouse Foundation has a new profile up, here:

RIVERSPORT (riversportokc) on Twitter (http://twitter.com/riversportokc)