I meant and should have said, 'how they should have done it ' from the beginning when they were hired - it wouldn't matter how many hours worked if they sold for commission.. .. legitimately - a commission for selling regardless of the hours worked ..

Sorry, reading it back, it came out wrong.

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Hudiburg had stated I believe when he first bought the dealership that he would keep the Big Red Sports name...

Do you still think he will keep the name??

I bet they do...the dealership in question will likely be an afterthought to most after just a few more months...especially if Paul Thompson does any good this year

http://www.channeloklahoma.com/sport...78/detail.html

Drumroll please.....................................

The NCAA's Committee on Infractions will release its findings – and any further penalties – from an investigation into the Oklahoma football program this afternoon.

The announcement will bring to a close a process that began more than a year ago, when an anonymous e-mail tip led OU and the NCAA to begin investigating the employment of football players at Big Red Sports and Imports.

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OU must forfeit wins from '05

Football program penalized by NCAA in pay-for-work-not-performed scheme

02:03 PM CDT on Wednesday, July 11, 2007
Associated Press

The University of Oklahoma must vacate its football victories during the 2005 season, including a bowl game, as part of the penalties imposed by the NCAA in a pay-for-work-not-performed scheme involving a Norman auto dealership, Big Red Sports/Imports.

OU finished 8-4 in 2005 and beat Oregon, 17-14, in the Pacific Life Holiday Bowl.

The major violations, called "significant and serious" by the NCAA, involved three players – including quarterback Rhett Bomar of Grand Prairie and offensive lineman J.D. Quinn of Garland -- who received about $17,000 in unearned wages, the NCAA said Wednesday.

Other penalties include:

• Two additional years of probation, extending to May 2010. The school already was on probation for basketball violations.

• The loss of two football scholarships for the 2008-09 and 2009-10 seasons.

• The banishment of former Big Red manager Brad McRae from association with the University until at least August 2011.

• A reduction in the number of football coaches who can recruit off campus this fall by one.

This is Oklahoma's sixth major NCAA infractions case involving football and seventh overall. Only Arizona State and SMU, each with eight, have more overall major cases.

OU officials appeared before the NCAA infractions committee on April 14 in Indianapolis. It was the school's second appearance in less than a year. In May 2006, the NCAA sanctioned OU for major violations in its men's basketball program, involving hundreds of improper telephone calls by coaches to recruits.

The basketball decision came five weeks after the infractions hearing. The football decision came more than 12 weeks after the Indianapolis hearing. It's rare for a major college athletic program to face such official scrutiny of its top two revenue sports in such a short span.

Coach Bob Stoops dismissed Bomar and Quinn in early August last year, just before fall practice began. Both players competed during 2005 while they took money that they didn't earn from Big Red, which is why OU must forfeit those victories, the NCAA said.

"Any public reference to these vacated contests, including the bowl game, won during this time shall be removed from athletics department stationary, banners displayed in public areas and any other forum," the NCAA said.

That seems a little harsh considering Stoops already handled the problem pretty decisively. There aren't a lot of coaches who would've kicked off the star QB and others from the team. Are we ever going to hear of USC forfeiting their 2003, 2004 and 2005 games?

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Well the ruling is crap, but could have been a whole lot worse I guess

Fine w/ forfeiture of the '05 wins...Season sucked anyway

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Pretty harsh, despite me being biased for being a Sooner fan. As AFCM said, why didn't they penalize USC for Reggie Bush. If they can take back our win's, why can't they take back the obviously incorrect Oregon "win" from last year. The NCAA is a crock.


OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) - The Oklahoma football program must vacate its wins from the 2005 season and will lose two scholarships for the 2008-09 and 2009-10 school years.

The penalties, announced Wednesday by the NCAA, stem from a case involving two players, including the Sooners' starting quarterback, who were kicked off the team for being paid for work they had not performed at a Norman car dealership.
The Sooners went 8-4 and beat Oregon in the Holiday Bowl to end the 2005 season. Records from that season involving quarterback Rhett Bomar and offensive lineman J.D. Quinn must be vacated, the NCAA said, and coach Bob Stoops' career record will be amended to reflect the vacated wins, dropping it from 86-19 in eight seasons to 78-19.

Oklahoma also will have two years of probation added to an earlier penalty, extending the Sooners' probation to May 23, 2010.

Those sanctions are in addition to those already self-imposed by Oklahoma, which has banned athletes from working at the car dealership until at least the 2008-09 academic year and has moved to prevent the athletes' supervisor at the dealership, Brad McRae, from being involved with the university's athletics program until at least August 2011.

Oklahoma also will reduce the number of football coaches who are allowed to recruit off campus this fall. The Sooners also dismissed Bomar, Quinn and walk-on Jermaine Hardison from the team.

"Although this case centered on a few violations involving three student-athletes, the committee finds this case to be significant and serious for several reasons," the NCAA report said, noting the length of time of the violations and the fact that Oklahoma had appeared before the committee in April 2006 regarding violations in its men's basketball program.

On Aug. 3 — the day before the Sooners began preseason practice — Stoops dismissed Bomar and Quinn from the team after the university determined they had been paid for work not performed at Big Red Sports and Imports. That led to a subsequent NCAA investigation.

The committee found that Oklahoma "demonstrated a failure to monitor" the employment of several athletes, including some football players who worked during the academic year. The NCAA said that failure led to the university not detecting NCAA rules violations.

During the investigation, the university disputed that allegation, arguing that the NCAA should applaud, not penalize, its efforts to root out violations and noted that NCAA president Myles Brand told one news outlet that the university "acted with integrity in taking swift and decisive action" in the case.

Both Bomar and Quinn lost a season of eligibility. Bomar has been ordered by the NCAA to pay back more than $7,400 in extra benefits to charity, while Quinn was told to pay back more than $8,100. Both players transferred to Division I-AA schools — Bomar to Sam Houston State and Quinn to Montana — where they can resume their careers this season.

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Oklahoma officials also appeared before the Committee on Infractions in April 2006 following an investigation into hundreds of improper recruiting phone calls by former basketball coach Kelvin Sampson's staff.

Oklahoma escaped major sanctions in that case, as the NCAA Committee on Infractions found the university guilty of a "failure to monitor," a less severe ruling than "lack of institutional control," which had been recommended by the NCAA's enforcement staff.

The committee moved Oklahoma's self-imposed probation so it would begin in May 2006 and end in May 2008. The NCAA also issued a public reprimand and censure but otherwise accepted the university's self-imposed sanctions, which included reductions in scholarships, recruiting calls and trips and visits to the school by prospective recruits.

I would also like to give a big shout out to Kelvin today as he really helped the football team before he left

Appreciate it Kelvin...Please (not) come back and visit anytime

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[quote=metro;107901] If they can take back our win's, why can't they take back the obviously incorrect Oregon "win" from last year.


Good point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It seems the Kelvin incidents actually contributed to the severity of the punishment, which makes no sense. Why tack on punishment for the football program because of something that happened with a basketball coach?

OU is self reporting and doing everything with integrity. Other schools like USC and Ohio State are allowed to hide everything and get away with any kind of punishment. The NCAA has had it out for OU ever since the 1980 Oklahoma/Georgia vs NCAA lawsuit. This is BS.

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They don't forfeit the wins.. the wins are vacated. That means the record for '05 is 0-4.

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So what does that mean for Oregon? Another freebie victory?

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No. The game never happened. It's not a win or a loss for Oregon.

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As bad as this sounds, it really could have been a lot worse. Sure the reduction of a scholarship may hurt but everyone saw that coming. As far as vacating an entire season's worth of victories, its litte more than a power play by the NCAA to humiliate the school. Oh well a little bad press now but it will make it all the more sweeter when OU shuts everyone up next season, especially !

BOOMER SOONER! EIGHT IN '08!

Has or can anything be done to Bad McRae, oh he of "I-thirty-fiiiiiive, Norman! fame?" I know the University has supposedly "cut him off," but I'm sure he will manage to make it to games - acquiring tickets through friends, etc.

While I agree the University should be held accountable and did an admirable job in taking what action they could when they found out about the mess, some accountability needs to happen by the booster who let this get out of hand.

I don't really know what would be appropriate, and I'm certain Mr. McRae is in a Witness Protection program somewhere given the rability of most OU fans I know. Regardless, coming out with some kind of sanction against him would send a message to other boosters to keep "hands off."

Bomar was, is, and always will be a loser!

I can not believe that Big Red hasn't stepped up to take the beating they deserve for this. Are they really that stupid? They are in the heart of Norman. They will never sell a car again. I bet people who bought their cars there are trying to return those! It doesn't matter that they are under new ownership. The name is ruined. I think that whole story is fishy anyway, conveniently Brad slips out from under that name during this time! whatever. They need to give up their Clinton statements, we aren't buying the bull.