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    I was talking with some old-timers recently, discussing how Patience Latting shook up the cronyism and old boy system that prevailed downtown before her arrival. They all agreed that it has returned, and needs to be changed.

    The election filing period will open later this month for Wards 1 (Marrs), 3 (McAtee), 4 (White) and 7 (Kelly).
    White has performed really well on the boulevard. This morning he spoke against Alternative A, noting that attaching the boulevard to the grid system would have the exact same ingress/egress capabilities but with more north/south connectivity. He voted "no" on Alternative A, adding an explanation: "I am casting this vote because I think we can do better."

    White did a perfect job attempting to steer the conversation toward performing analysis on the grid concept, but the council was already decided. Hopefully FBB can gather political support for White if he seeks reelection in Ward 4 (southeast OKC).

    How much electoral power can be generated by supporters of better urban design? Will supporters of better urban design help favorable council members get reelected? It's the only way to make sure council gives more consideration in the future.
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    I wanted so bad to have a copy of the Emergency Response Guide and ask former Fire Chief Marrs what he would propose to do if the event necessitating diverting traffic onto city streets fell within the stand off distances. The most likely places for an accident of that magnitude would place Core to Shore within evacuation distances and preclude using the blvd as an emergency bypass. Sorry Gary, there are people in FBB that have some HAZMAT certifications you didn't count on.
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    CaptDave - the whole 'alternate emergency route' is a gimmick. Marrs has no interest in the truth on this subject. FHWA already said there was no such requirement so we know he is making it up it up to fit his own desires. If it really was an issue I-240, I-35, I-44, I-235, and Kilpatrick Turnpike already provide alternate routes.
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    I know but it would have been fun to flip the ERG open at the podium and look up the required evacuation radius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptDave View Post
    I know but it would have been fun to flip the ERG open at the podium and look up the required evacuation radius.
    You don't even need the HAZMAT manual; you just need a highway map. Hell, forget the map, even a rudimentary knowledge of OKC would suffice.

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    Yeah but watching his jaw drop when the little orange book was pulled out could have been a classic! ;-)

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    This could go in several different threads but this one is as good as any.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OKCTalker View Post
    I was talking with some old-timers recently, discussing how Patience Latting shook up the cronyism and old boy system that prevailed downtown before her arrival. They all agreed that it has returned, and needs to be changed.

    The election filing period will open later this month for Wards 1 (Marrs), 3 (McAtee), 4 (White) and 7 (Kelly).
    Someone needs to run against McAtee. N.W. 23rd Street between I-44 to MacArthur is an absolute disaster. It's worse than a dirt road. He has done nothing to help.

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    Someone needs to run against McAtee. N.W. 23rd Street between I-44 to MacArthur is an absolute disaster. It's worse than a dirt road. He has done nothing to help.
    If only the State had $80 million to fix the roads that already exist. Now where can we find $80 million?

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    If only the State had $80 million to fix the roads that already exist. Now where can we find $80 million?
    Not that it really matters, but NW 23rd is not the State's road, at least between I-44 and MacArthur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordGerald View Post
    Someone needs to run against McAtee. N.W. 23rd Street between I-44 to MacArthur is an absolute disaster. It's worse than a dirt road. He has done nothing to help.
    Just FYI, this corridor is to be the recipient of a beautification project, like how 23rd is between Centennial Expressway and Classen. It will eventually have a center median landscaping and the hopes are to have it done with concrete, but we'll see. The business I work at is just north of 23rd on Meridian and our district manager is part of the 23rd St. Business District group that has been having regular meetings on how we're going to keep our businesses alive when it comes to this project. Wish I had info for you on a start date, but just know that it is in the works...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just the facts View Post
    If only the State had $80 million to fix the roads that already exist. Now where can we find $80 million?
    It's simple. We just create a coin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just the facts View Post
    This could go in several different threads but this one is as good as any.

    Love the video! Reminds me of Sean "Local Hero" Cummings recent work . . . =)
    (btw: was glad to see that no "distracted driving" was involved in the production of that film.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKCisOK4me View Post
    Just FYI, this corridor is to be the recipient of a beautification project, like how 23rd is between Centennial Expressway and Classen. It will eventually have a center median landscaping and the hopes are to have it done with concrete, but we'll see. The business I work at is just north of 23rd on Meridian and our district manager is part of the 23rd St. Business District group that has been having regular meetings on how we're going to keep our businesses alive when it comes to this project. Wish I had info for you on a start date, but just know that it is in the works...
    That's great news. I live in the neighborhood and we need some help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKCTalker View Post
    I was talking with some old-timers recently, discussing how Patience Latting shook up the cronyism and old boy system that prevailed downtown before her arrival. They all agreed that it has returned, and needs to be changed.

    The election filing period will open later this month for Wards 1 (Marrs), 3 (McAtee), 4 (White) and 7 (Kelly).
    None of those wards have (substantive) domain in the Urban Core. In all of those wards it is going to be a hard campaign to sell which is built around the principles of urbanization. As much as I want to see a shake-up, it seems likely to me that these council members are genuinely representing the desires of their constituents.

    I'd be willing to bet that the average person living on Council and Hefner would prefer that the Boulevard be an easy access point to downtown (see the following thread on Betts basketball forum: New boulevard and Thunder games).

    If there are going to be members campaigning in those Wards that would be allies of FBB and other urban minded peoples, then coming up with a convincing campaign to help suburbanites see the advantages for them of a thriving downtown is going to be of the utmost importance.

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    I decided not to write a rebuttal on the basketball forum in the interests of being a good neighbor, but I don't think the boulevard is going to be a solution. First of all, a significant number of the people leaving Thunder games are heading north or south so the boulevard will have absolutely no effect on their driving times. The boulevard will have at least one stop light and a 25 mph speed limit as you are exiting the Chesapeake Arena, not to mention people attending Thunder games will utilize the boulevard parking lanes and you will have people trying to get into the lanes of traffic from their parking spaces. That will slow east-west traffic on the boulevard considerably. If people's inclination is to ignore the 25 mph speed limit, it will make the boulevard a very profitable place to put speed traps.

    I'm continually perplexed about people's complaints about traffic after a Thunder game regardless. First of all, unless the game has a point differential of about 2 or less, 10 to 25% of the tepid "fans" attending a Thunder game leave at the 5 minute mark in the 4th quarter so they don't have to deal with traffic. There are less than 20,000 people at the game, which is only 20% of the people at a Sooner football game in Norman, which really does only have people going north and south to get out of Norman. I walk home now, but when the Hornets were here I drove home, and the traffic was an extremely minor annoyance, with my drive time being about 5 to maybe 10 minutes longer than usual. Even if you have season tickets, we're only talking about 41 nights out of an entire year. I didn't think I had much to complain about when I was driving.
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    I doubt there will be parking lanes on the westbound portion of the boulevard considering that that will most likely be where the streetcar tracks will go. Also, you have to think about future development. Obviously, caddy corner to the arena will be the central park. To the immediate south? Hopefully a new development with a hidden public parking structure. To the west will be the convention center and street lined parking will be at a minimum.

    When my mom was in town and we went to the game (ironically the New Orleans game, lol) we waited until after traffic in the arena thinned out. We took turns going to the restroom then we went into the Thundershop and looked around and I bought a few items. By the time we got back to my car in the Main Street parking garage, it was a cinch to get outta downtown.

    I don't think the boulevard is going to congest the area, I just think that people have to get used to the idea of how it's going to be by the time it's all available and in place for us.
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    So Pete White and Ed Shadid voted no? Anybody else? Obviously Skip, Meg, Mick and Marrs voted for option A. So what about McAtee, Greenwell, and Ryan?

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    No one else. Councilmen Shadid and White made a very strong case for rejecting Option 'A' but unfortunately it fell upon deaf ears and blind eyes. Mr White summed it up best in his final statement, "We can do better". The other 7 are willing to settle for mediocrity or worse.

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    A short video offering of some of the comments made today at the meeting.

    Compromise plan for downtown OKC boulevard approved | NewsOK.com

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    I doubt there will be parking lanes on the westbound portion of the boulevard considering that that will most likely be where the streetcar tracks will go. Also, you have to think about future development. Obviously, caddy corner to the arena will be the central park. To the immediate south? Hopefully a new development with a hidden public parking structure. To the west will be the convention center and street lined parking will be at a minimum.

    When my mom was in town and we went to the game (ironically the New Orleans game, lol) we waited until after traffic in the arena thinned out. We took turns going to the restroom then we went into the Thundershop and looked around and I bought a few items. By the time we got back to my car in the Main Street parking garage, it was a cinch to get outta downtown.

    I don't think the boulevard is going to congest the area, I just think that people have to get used to the idea of how it's going to be by the time it's all available and in place for us.
    i would bet that parking will be on both sides of the street on the BLVD

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    Looking at the wide median of the Blvd, kind of reminds me of San Jose, California where they have a boulevard near the airport with the tracks running down the middle of the median. I think this could be part of the BART system.

    I also saw the same scenerio in Barcelona, where they have an above ground system that ran through the large median of a rambles. It even had mechanical arm crossguards for pedestrians in the medians at major walkways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellaboo View Post
    Looking at the wide median of the Blvd, kind of reminds me of San Jose, California where they have a boulevard near the airport with the tracks running down the middle of the median. I think this could be part of the BART system.
    That is part of the Valley Transit Authority (VTA).

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    BoulderSooner,

    Do you think they'll set up this portion of the streetcar route in the right lane of traffic and save curbside for parking? Yep, this will be accidentville lol.
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    You are asking a lot from ODOT. Last year they said they didn't know anything about a streetcar system in OKC. However, they were vaguely familiar with a rubber tire trolley route but nothing that involved steel wheels.
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