I agree JTF - I have changed from my initial thoughts on this street. I was 100% sure the roundabout concept could work at Western, Classen, and Blvd but after thinking about the property boundaries I began to think this may not be the best design. Then I was driving around the area in question and looked eastward down California where the connection to I40 would be and I had a epiphany. The view down California toward Myriad Gardens could be developed into an iconic street for motorists arriving to downtown from the west. Then let's build the boulevard described by Mayor Cornett along the SW 3rd right of way but extend that all the way to Exchange where we can eventually run the streetcar to Stockyards City. With the $30 million we won't spend on an unnecessary bridge over Western, we could create two very special streets that would be grand entrances to downtown AND still accomodate all the vehicular traffic along four main east-west streets (Sheridan, California, Reno, and SW 3rd/Boulevard). Every option the city and ODOT has presented forces us to close major E-W streets thereby causing the traffic problems they are trying to solve.
It is very clear that forcing a through movement where one is not necessary is causing every problem encountered in this process. The "Confluence" problem is created by the "transitional" segment of the design Stantec was instructed to analyze. Stantec clearly has the expertise to do an excellent job, so why not give them freedom to really evaluate the fully restored street grid option?
I've always wanted to see 3rd extended east too to create a new street wall in Lower Bricktown.
Is there enough ROW on 3rd?
Shadid seems to get it.
Four other seats are coming up for election, should there be four candidates willing and available who also get it.
Not suggesting wrestling a seat out from under any incumbent is ever a cakewalk, but the math sure is.
1 gets it seat + 4 new gets it seats = 5 gets it seats.
Just laying this down and walking away, because I am merely an observer, not an OKC voter.
Stockyards City Christmas Parade.
level to the interstate ramps. I think JTF's spiral idea is very cool but have no idea if it is feasible at that location. I think we are beyond the point that could be incorporated though since there is so much ramp already built.
Oh - I failed to state this clearly - we would still have Reno running between the California and SW 3rd Streets. If someone really wants a through street - we already have one. The Project 180 upgrades along Reno are very nice and could be extended all the way to the Farmer's Market District. If for some reason it is too difficult to run streetcar down SW 3rd all the way to Exchange, it could run down Reno to Exchange. I think development would explode along these three axes if our city leaders will set the conditions for it to happen.
Additionally, it would enhance, rather than degrade, the infrastructure used by the existing businesses in the industrial area west of Shartel. One of the lamest rebuttals I have heard during this entire discussion claims FBB supporters want to run the light industrial businesses out and nothing is further from the truth. There is no reason a nice street with a streetcar cannot run through an area such as exists east of the Farmer's Market.
So who among you guys are running for which wards? That's the only question left at this point.
Gone to the ballpark. Go Tribe!
The biggest problem that I see with the current proposed design is the ghettoization of the area between western ave. and the park; and the proposed boulevard and the new I-40 alignment. All the current proposals for this area make it hard to reach and awful for future development. Specifically, there are currently 6 north/south streets into this area (Western, Classen, Shartel, Lee, Walker and Hudson). Of those 6 three will be cut off by the proposed "bi-way", Classen, Shartel and Lee. That will make it more difficult to connect to the area from the north. Of the 4 east/west streets (SW 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th) two will be cut by the proposed raceway (I mean boulevard), SW 2nd and 3rd streets. Keep in mind that there will be NO access to this area from the east because of the park. As a result the Boulevard half of the streets into this area will be cut. In order to develop this area the grid needs to be restored.
Here's the ward map. I would be on board with Sid if he decided to run.
Do people have to live within the ward they're running for or just within city limits? It would be hard to find qualified candidates who will work for 12,000/year in the NE/SW/far SE part of city.
Pete White has definitely punted on this issue, but overall he should have been better than that. I hope he runs for reelection, the others I hope we can get rid of, I just don't see how.
Yes, you absolutely have to live in the ward.
Gone to the ballpark. Go Tribe!
You must live in the ward you represent. And thanks for the nod, but I'm not qualified to run. For more information: City of Oklahoma City | Council Election Cycle
ON EDIT: Hutch gave a very good response to this
I do recall back when this was in the planning stages, then Mayor Humphreys was against keeping the current alignment as it was too expensive to maintain (over $1 million/yr). Then when the route was chosen, he wanted to keep the old crosstown as a "business route". The logic was missing as most of the damage done to our highways is by semis, mostly semis would be taking the business route. If we couldn't afford the $1 maint before, how could we suddenly afford it now???
In light of the issues that emerged last night I'd really encourage people to first re-read Steve's Flashback piece from December 1998 (http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2012/07/29/flashback-route-chosen-for-new-interstate-40) when the I-40 relocation route was chosen. It's also worth reading Steve's piece from the end of July this year that gives some important context about downtown in 1998 (http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2012/07/27/context-1998).
With that in mind if you're going to watch just 6 minutes of the video from last night (now up on the City's home page at http://okc.gov) then watch Blair Humphreys' questions between 0:57:00 and 1:03:30. You can see Eric Wenger making it very clear that the boulevard must be an emergency I-40 bypass (I guess it would be I-440 under the AASHTO interstate numbering system?) is a Federal Highway Administration requirement. You can also see David Streb very grudgingly admit that return to the grid would be possible since the Environmental Impact Statement has to be revisited but David continues to push the agreements between ODOT and Council from that time. I'm sure David can't be happy with Blair's questions - those "agreements" or "commitments" were between Neal McCaleb and Blair's father!
Steve posted this entertaining video commentary by Sean Cummings on his blog.
Sean Cummings on the Boulevard | OKC Central
How cool would it be if Unfrsakn could get some HD footage of the same area down there, for the record?
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