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    Quote Originally Posted by CuatrodeMayo View Post
    I want to say the Exchange closure was a city-initiated idea, but I'm not sure.
    Unfortunate. Just more cost and expense to fix this mess for my generation to incur when we come to power.
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    At least they aren't turning Western into a cul-de-sac. That alone makes me happy. ODOT engineers simply aren't on the same page as urbanists and downtown promoters and never will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bchris02 View Post
    At least they aren't turning Western into a cul-de-sac. That alone makes me happy. ODOT engineers simply aren't on the same page as urbanists and downtown promoters and never will be.
    Southbound Western is still a dead end in Alt C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyerdahl View Post
    Southbound Western is still a dead end in Alt C.
    That is incredibly stupid. I wonder how many other major cities have major arterial streets that just dead end randomly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuatrodeMayo View Post
    I want to say the Exchange closure was a city-initiated idea, but I'm not sure.
    Then why say it if you're not sure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by catcherinthewry View Post
    Then why say it if you're not sure?
    Re-read post 2709. Hutch hits the nail on the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalo Bill View Post
    Re-read post 2709. Hutch hits the nail on the head.
    Re-read post 2714 and then Hutch's response to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catcherinthewry View Post
    Then why say it if you're not sure?
    Exchange doesn't directly interface with the Boulevard so there is no reason for ODOT to care about it. Based on that, I'm assuming it was a City suggestion. It's just speculation and I'm not sure it deserves such a snarky remark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuatrodeMayo View Post
    Exchange doesn't directly interface with the Boulevard so there is no reason for ODOT to care about it. Based on that, I'm assuming it was a City suggestion. It's just speculation and I'm not sure it deserves such a snarky remark.
    Wasn't trying to be snarky. You are a respected poster and people listen to what you say (the poster after you quoted you as if what you said was a fact) so if YOU are not sure what you are saying is a fact why put it out there? Or at least word it differently so everyone knows you are speculating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda View Post
    That is incredibly stupid. I wonder how many other major cities have major arterial streets that just dead end randomly.
    S. Denver suburbs do because rich folks didnt want roads going thru their ranchettes. Not central city tho like you are referring to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda View Post
    That is incredibly stupid. I wonder how many other major cities have major arterial streets that just dead end randomly.
    SB Western also dead ends at 18th Street. Is that random enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalo Bill View Post
    SB Western also dead ends at 18th Street. Is that random enough?
    It sucks and makes no sense. I just attribute it to lack of planning. That's all. ODOT could continue the roads through, but they want to be cheap and build another highway. If they're so intent on building another highway through downtown, do it right and don't half-ass it.

    My only hope at this point is the city is able to fix these problems down the road. A massive round-a-bout would've been amazing.

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    Keep in mind that currently. Exchange at Reno is only a 1 way street. South.


    A much better "fix". For that area is for the city to turn Klein into a 4 way stoplight intersection

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalo Bill View Post
    SB Western also dead ends at 18th Street. Is that random enough?
    I'm not sure why everyone is complaining about Western, Classen is the major north/south artery and gets much more traffic than Western.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catcherinthewry View Post
    I'm not sure why everyone is complaining about Western, Classen is the major north/south artery and gets much more traffic than Western.
    Not in this area. See the image below from ACOG's traffic count database. Western is currently much more important in this area.

    Friends for a Better Boulevard-acog-traffic-near-classen-western.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by catcherinthewry View Post
    I'm not sure why everyone is complaining about Western, Classen is the major north/south artery and gets much more traffic than Western.
    I will also add a point to cafeboeuf's post below, the sheer fact that this is a major arterial street is enough of a case for me. There are a few other streets in OKC that do this. It just doesn't look good and sets a bad precedent. An arterial street should run all the way through the city or until it's intended destination. It shouldn't have dead end where it ends and starts back up again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda View Post
    I will also add a point to cafeboeuf's post below, the sheer fact that this is a major arterial street is enough of a case for me. There are a few other streets in OKC that do this. It just doesn't look good and sets a bad precedent. An arterial street should run all the way through the city or until it's intended destination. It shouldn't have dead end where it ends and starts back up again.
    I'm sure one of their motivations for doing g that is that it forces people to use the new road instead of going down western to the interstate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafeboeuf View Post
    Not in this area. See the image below from ACOG's traffic count database. Western is currently much more important in this area.

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    Thanks for sharing that information. This seems counter-intuitive since Classen is the wider road and is continuous unlike Western as has been discussed earlier. It made me curious about the history of Classen Boulevard and it turns out that the south portion of Classen used to be Olie. Then the trolley utilized the route for its Belle Isle route. When the trolley shut down the city transformed the old route into a "freeway" which is what we have today. Doug Loudenback has a nice article and old map on his website. There is also a thread about Classen on this website.

    Anyway, judging by the traffic numbers the city's plan to make Classen a major corridor never took hold in this area.

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    no roundabouts?
    Oklahoma City, the RENAISSANCE CITY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda View Post
    I will also add a point to cafeboeuf's post below, the sheer fact that this is a major arterial street is enough of a case for me. There are a few other streets in OKC that do this. It just doesn't look good and sets a bad precedent. An arterial street should run all the way through the city or until it's intended destination. It shouldn't have dead end where it ends and starts back up again.
    There are only ah handful of places around the city where the mile grid is not the main road for at least a half mile. Western/Classen are only a block away and Classen is larger street in the area, there are many places around the city where the next street over from the major mile line grid get cut by a superblock.

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    in the video, it shows Western going all the way through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda View Post
    in the video, it shows Western going all the way through.
    It connects to Western south of the bridge, but diverts over to Classen on the north side.

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    I still don't understand why there is an oversized turn lane just south of the new convention center. All you have to work on is the timing of the lights and you can have a shorter turn lane and more green space. I am curious what kind of affect this will have on the Farmer's Market area now.

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    From that article:

    Keeping downtown walkable. ODOT says the preferred design would include wide trails on either side of the road from Western Avenue to the Bricktown Canal. A 25-mile-per-hour speed limit will slow traffic as it passes the convention center and park.
    I hope they keep that limit a few blocks to the west as well to keep the speeds down near the elementary.

    Edit: Watching that video, I suppose I should retract some of the negativity from my last post in the thread. At the very least, it could have been worse.

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