OKANA Resort & Indoor Waterpark

[jn1780]

Given the wind in Oklahoma, I would like to see the calculations for this bridge with no piers.

I would like to see a cost estimate. Building a bridge with no piers is no big deal for a span as big as Canadian river, it just cost a whole lot more than piers.

[Plutonic Panda]

I would like to see a cost estimate. Building a bridge with no piers is no big deal for a span as big as Canadian river, it just cost a whole lot more than piers.

It will be in the billions most likely. 6-7 lanes each direction it won’t be a small project.

[BoulderSooner]

It will be in the billions most likely. 6-7 lanes each direction it won’t be a small project.

not remotely I74 over the MISSISSIPPI river was 1 billion this will not be in the "billions"

[Plutonic Panda]

not remotely I74 over the MISSISSIPPI river was 1 billion this will not be in the "billions"

OK we’ll see. I’m betting this will cost nothing short of $1.5 billion. I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s over 2 billion. Time will tell. It’s going to be a very complicated project, which will likely include modifications to the spaghetti Junction directly to the north. I would say this is going to be a tad more complex than the project you’re referring to with a higher cost due to inflation and higher materials cost.

[Plutonic Panda]

Another example is the I 69 bridge near Evansville Kentucky. This four-lane bridge will cost approximately seven to $800,000,000. I believe that number is from 2021 or 2022. He doesn’t plan to start construction until 2026 with the other components of this larger project starting sooner phase one is already under construction.

It’s also in an area with little to no development density, and could practically be characterized as being rural.

https://i69ohiorivercrossing.com/wp-...d-Approved.pdf

[BoulderSooner]

OK we’ll see. I’m betting this will cost nothing short of $1.5 billion. I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s over 2 billion. Time will tell. It’s going to be a very complicated project, which will likely include modifications to the spaghetti Junction directly to the north. I would say this is going to be a tad more complex than the project you’re referring to with a higher cost due to inflation and higher materials cost.

Another example is the I 69 bridge near Evansville Kentucky. This four-lane bridge will cost approximately seven to $800,000,000. I believe that number is from 2021 or 2022. He doesn’t plan to start construction until 2026 with the other components of this larger project starting sooner phase one is already under construction.

It’s also in an area with little to no development density, and could practically be characterized as being rural.

https://i69ohiorivercrossing.com/wp-...d-Approved.pdf

dude I 74 over the mississippi is a 3000 foot long bridge that has to have clearance from freight traffic on the water ..

and your linked project includes 2 interchanges 5 miles of new interstate and a 2,000+ foot bridge for 1.2 Billion



the Oklahoma river bridge is 500 Feet or so ..

[Plutonic Panda]

Okay you are completely taking what I said out of context. I specifically mentioned the 2nd phase of that project which is ONLY the bridge and it’s costing between 700-800 million dollars. 2021 dollars. Time will tell and we’ll revisit it when the project comes to light. If I’m wrong I’ll admit it. You per usual won’t be anywhere to be found as you never are when you are proven to be wrong.

[warreng88]

Okay you are completely taking what I said out of context. I specifically mentioned the 2nd phase of that project which is ONLY the bridge and it’s costing between 700-800 million dollars. 2021 dollars. Time will tell and we’ll revisit it when the project comes to light. If I’m wrong I’ll admit it. You per usual won’t be anywhere to be found as you never are when you are proven to be wrong.

Panda, just to clarify cause sometimes you’re hard to read, do you think the bridge from the south part of the river, adjacent to the current development to the north of the river will cost $700-$800 million? I feel like I am reading that wrong.

[Plutonic Panda]

Panda, just to clarify cause sometimes you’re hard to read, do you think the bridge from the south part of the river, adjacent to the current development to the north of the river will cost $700-$800 million? I feel like I am reading that wrong.

I’m not sure what the actual bridge component will be, but I think this will be part of a larger project it will tie in with modifications to the I-35/I-40/I-235 junction. And the I 35 Bridges will be 6 to 7 lanes each way. It will be a signature bridge so it will stand out with a very cool and unique design possibly resembling some of the new bridges built near downtown Dallas. It will also contain a pedestrian bridge, which will have its own unique design.

I don’t know the extent of the modifications coming to the massive I-35/I-40/I-235 interchange but I asked and ODOT engineer, what the possibility of converting some of the left ramps and tight loop ramps to large fly overs is and he told me that there are big plans in the works for this interchange.

I’m not a civil engineer, so I might be way off base as Boulder sooner claims that I am, but I think the bridge portion is gonna cost anywhere from 700 million to a billion with the cost of the overall project which would include approaches an inner change modifications being several hundred million more. So I think this project is going to be around $1.5 billion.

That’s just my guess and I’m basing that off of following projects elsewhere around the country and trying to consider that Oklahoma also has lower infrastructure cost. I know this isn’t anywhere close to being an apples to apples comparison with some Bridge Projects have extraordinarily high costs. Take the I-5 Columbia River Bridge in Portland. The cost on that bridge could be as high as $7.5 billion and it does include a light rail aspect to bring MAX into Vancouver(Washington).

And there are some pretty big yet to be announced freeway projects coming to the OKC area within the next decade. And as a disclaimer, I don’t have any inside knowledge on this stuff. This is just me emailing ODOT and the OTA.

Anyways, I’m off topic sorry for the railing this thread. This project will certainly warrant its own thread, when more details come to light on it. Exciting stuff ahead!

[Plutonic Panda]

Panda, just to clarify cause sometimes you’re hard to read, do you think the bridge from the south part of the river, adjacent to the current development to the north of the river will cost $700-$800 million? I feel like I am reading that wrong.

Oh, I just realized you might be referring to the project I was talking about in Evansville, Kentucky. If so, then yes, the bridge itself will cost 700 to 800 million. The whole project is like 1.2 billion or so but that also includes other phases. Here’s the project website if you wanna see it: https://i69ohiorivercrossing.com/

That’s a small part of a project to build a new interstate all the way from southeast Texas to connect to the Canadian border in Michigan. Much of the northern part of it is already built. There’s a project in Indianapolis currently underway, which will finish Indiana’s section along with this project. Whether Arkansas build their part is anyone’s guess. Texas has several projects underway to get their part finished.

But sorry for going, so off-topic back to this development

[Pete]

I've created a new thread to discuss the new I-35 bridges over the Oklahoma River as well as a proposed pedestrian bridge:

https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.p...14#post1227514

[warreng88]

I’m not sure what the actual bridge component will be, but I think this will be part of a larger project it will tie in with modifications to the I-35/I-40/I-235 junction. And the I 35 Bridges will be 6 to 7 lanes each way. It will be a signature bridge so it will stand out with a very cool and unique design possibly resembling some of the new bridges built near downtown Dallas. It will also contain a pedestrian bridge, which will have its own unique design.

I don’t know the extent of the modifications coming to the massive I-35/I-40/I-235 interchange but I asked and ODOT engineer, what the possibility of converting some of the left ramps and tight loop ramps to large fly overs is and he told me that there are big plans in the works for this interchange.

I’m not a civil engineer, so I might be way off base as Boulder sooner claims that I am, but I think the bridge portion is gonna cost anywhere from 700 million to a billion with the cost of the overall project which would include approaches an inner change modifications being several hundred million more. So I think this project is going to be around $1.5 billion.

That’s just my guess and I’m basing that off of following projects elsewhere around the country and trying to consider that Oklahoma also has lower infrastructure cost. I know this isn’t anywhere close to being an apples to apples comparison with some Bridge Projects have extraordinarily high costs. Take the I-5 Columbia River Bridge in Portland. The cost on that bridge could be as high as $7.5 billion and it does include a light rail aspect to bring MAX into Vancouver(Washington).

And there are some pretty big yet to be announced freeway projects coming to the OKC area within the next decade. And as a disclaimer, I don’t have any inside knowledge on this stuff. This is just me emailing ODOT and the OTA.

Anyways, I’m off topic sorry for the railing this thread. This project will certainly warrant its own thread, when more details come to light on it. Exciting stuff ahead!

Ok, you are talking about the I-35/I-40 interchange rebuild. I was talking about specifically the pedestrian bridge below in Pete's post #632. I think that's where the disconnect was.

Plans are moving forward for the pedestrian bridge.

Note that on the north end of the bridge it shows "Tram Access". They must be planning a shuttle tram from the Boathouse Row area. Trams are used by Riversport for the Regatta Festival -- they are basically just small busses. The big question is: How will the trams get to this bridge?

[ourulz2000]

Any idea what the security is going to be like at this place being that it is right next to a major trucking hub + I-40 / I35?

[G.Walker]

I am sure they will have some security, but nothing out of the ordinary. Remember its not a casino, but a family oriented resort....lol

[catch22]

Shady business happens in the dark. A well lit, brand new family resort will not even attract any of the sort of things going on in the area, in fact it will probably push some Of it away.

[Laramie]

[SEMIweather]

Shady business happens in the dark. A well lit, brand new family resort will not even attract any of the sort of things going on in the area, in fact it will probably push some Of it away.

Plus, this place is sort of off on an island in between the river and a railroad track, both of which are large enough barriers to make a world of difference in the overall setting.

[Laramie]

The Chickasaw Nation: https://www.chickasaw.net/


WinStar World Casino and Resort is an American tribal casino and hotel located in Thackerville, Oklahoma, near the Oklahoma–Texas state line. It is owned and operated by the Chickasaw Nation. The casino opened as the WinStar Casinos in 2004, and was expanded (with a 395-room hotel tower) and renamed WinStar World Casino in 2009; its 370,000 square feet (34,000 m2) of casino floor made it the world's largest casino

The 3-tower hotel is conveniently connected to the casino and features 1,399 pristine guest rooms and suites appointed with state-of-the-art amenities and contemporary comforts.

The Chickasaw Cultural Center is a campus located in Sulphur, Oklahoma near the Chickasaw National Recreation Area. Its 184-acre campus is home to historical museum buildings with interactive exhibits on Chickasaw tribal history, traditional dancing, and Chickasaw language.

Remington Park is race track and casino located in Oklahoma City. Built in 1988, it was the first world-class pari-mutuel track in Oklahoma.

[Laramie]

The Chickasaw Tribes' hospitality

[Laramie]

And let us not forget who stepped in and saved the long delayed construction of the AICCM now known as FAM when the State of Oklahoma couldn't fulfill its promise. It was the Chickasaw Nation and the City of Oklahoma City who finished this development.

Now we have the FAM completed by a Tribe--their specialty is hospitality and we're concerned about the OKANA project. Remember the Tribe's specialty is hospitality--so proven with its worthy projects that our city placed enough trust in their abbility to get things done--their project was excluded from the design and review committee, so as not to delay the Tribe's plans.

The OKANA project will complement the museum piece and give a potential lifeline to our City's MAPS 4 Multipurpose Stadium which could add pieces and strengthen the museum and OKANA development. And new interest revived in the Zoo's Aquarium development.





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[Pete]

[OKCBayou]

Should start seeing some more vertical within the next month or so. Really going to change the view driving down i40.
Those new bridges look great over there also.

[W8N2SKI]

I wonder if we will see any more sky cranes going up here

[Pete]

I wonder if we will see any more sky cranes going up here

Almost certainly.

The indoor waterpark will need a ton of steel because it is effectively a huge atrium with lots of clear-span space.

They'll probably have one for the parking garage alone. I could see as many as 4 cranes before long.

[Laramie]

Looks like a floor is being constructed every month. Pic above looks like 3rd floor--the foundation took about 6 weeks. This project should top out the maximum 11th floor height in January 2024.

The project saved time with the approval of TIF funds and exemption from the Design & Review Committee.