Man detains black delivery driver in OKC

[BBatesokc]

Not sure what kind of damages might be available for the Driver, but that sure seems like a textbook case of False Imprisonment.

Several lawyers I was with the other day were actually discussing this case and all thought there is very little chance he'd be charged with a crime and all said they'd love to take it to court and felt they'd win if representing the home owner in criminal court. They felt the chances of a civil filing were much better, and only because lawyers are already encouraging the driver to file. I personally think, that while his conduct is embarrassing, out of line and says a lot about him as a person, the law is still broad enough and his actions and words restrained enough that I imagine the law still gives him protection and at least an arguable defense in criminal or civil court. Would be interesting to see play out. *I'm so ready for the court to be open again to the public.

[mugofbeer]

Several lawyers I was with the other day were actually discussing this case and all thought there is very little chance he'd be charged with a crime and all said they'd love to take it to court and felt they'd win if representing the home owner in criminal court. They felt the chances of a civil filing were much better, and only because lawyers are already encouraging the driver to file. I personally think, that while his conduct is embarrassing, out of line and says a lot about him as a person, the law is still broad enough and his actions and words restrained enough that I imagine the law still gives him protection and at least an arguable defense in criminal or civil court. Would be interesting to see play out. *I'm so ready for the court to be open again to the public.

I'm no lawyer but even if it just drags the "kidnappers" through the mud in court, the more l read about the case the more I realize something has to be done to stop this behavior. Unless there are circumstances l have not seen, it's a clear case of racism and false imprisonment.

[BBatesokc]

I'm no lawyer but even if it just drags the "kidnappers" through the mud in court, the more l read about the case the more I realize something has to be done to stop this behavior. Unless there are circumstances l have not seen, it's a clear case of racism and false imprisonment.

"Racism" - what exactly is your measure of "racism"? Apparently if it involves a white person and a black person, then that automatically equates to racism. This, even though the jerk homeowner never once mentions race or anything stereotypical or remotely close to profiling based on race. The driver doesn't even mention race until the entire thing is over and the media spotlight is on him. I do commend the driver for how he handled the situation while being confronted by the jerk neighbor. Even the driver admitted he himself could have handled the situation differently and a little better. Regardless, he did just great and the neighbor looks like the ass he is. I just didn't see racism.

You claim it's a clear case of "false imprisonment" - do you even know if that specific law exists in Oklahoma and if so, what the elements of that crime are? If not (and I mean, before you go Googling it) then what are you basing this clarity on? TV shows? Popular mob mentality? What?

The customer homeowner even said this particular neighbor can be "overprotective of the neighborhood." So, this was not so out of the ordinary for this home owner. Nothing was said about him overreacting regularly based on race. He seems like just a jerk nosey neighbor.

[mugofbeer]

"Racism" - what exactly is your measure of "racism"? Apparently if it involves a white person and a black person, then that automatically equates to racism. This, even though the jerk homeowner never once mentions race or anything stereotypical or remotely close to profiling based on race. The driver doesn't even mention race until the entire thing is over and the media spotlight is on him. I do commend the driver for how he handled the situation while being confronted by the jerk neighbor. Even the driver admitted he himself could have handled the situation differently and a little better. Regardless, he did just great and the neighbor looks like the ass he is. I just didn't see racism.

You claim it's a clear case of "false imprisonment" - do you even know if that specific law exists in Oklahoma and if so, what the elements of that crime are? If not (and I mean, before you go Googling it) then what are you basing this clarity on? TV shows? Popular mob mentality? What?

The customer homeowner even said this particular neighbor can be "overprotective of the neighborhood." So, this was not so out of the ordinary for this home owner. Nothing was said about him overreacting regularly based on race. He seems like just a jerk nosey neighbor.

Chill out bbates! First, l said l was no lawyer. Second, you are burying your head in the sand if you think this would have happened if the delivery guy was white. Third, for someone so involved in sexual crimes, l'm quite suprised to see you make this defense.

Whether racist words were spoken or not, and unless there are details that have not been reported, the delivery man was stopped because he was not a white man.

Look at my posting history. I'm the last person in the world to cry racism or sexism or snowflakism. Plain and simple, if the delivery guy was prevented from leaving and the HO assn. guy had what appears to be no evidence or authority of anything to detain the delivery guy and prevented him from leaving, that's the textbook definition. Now, if there are more nuances than that I'll leave it to the courts.

[BBatesokc]

Chill out bbates! First, l said l was no lawyer. Second, you are burying your head in the sand if you think this would have happened if the delivery guy was white. Third, for someone so involved in sexual crimes, l'm quite suprised to see you make this defense.

Whether racist words were spoken or not, and unless there are details that have not been reported, the delivery man was stopped because he was not a white man.

Look at my posting history. I'm the last person in the world to cry racism or sexism or snowflakism. Plain and simple, if the delivery guy was prevented from leaving and the HO assn. guy had what appears to be no evidence or authority of anything to detain the delivery guy and prevented him from leaving, that's the textbook definition. Now, if there are more nuances than that I'll leave it to the courts.

I honestly don't see where I'm the one who needs to "Chill Out." Calling someone racist is pretty serious and can have a lot of consequences. As such, it shouldn't be taken lightly and should at least be backed up with real evidence.

This is NOT real evidence.....

"...burying your head in the sand if you think this would have happened if the delivery guy was white."

" ...the delivery man was stopped because he was not a white man."

Please feel free to clarify how your apparent definition of racism consists of anything more than; if a white individual is a jerk to a minority, then that makes them racist. Do you really not think that some people are just like that with most everyone (or at least those they see as subordinates), regardless of race? Do you believe the reverse to be true? Any time a minority is a jerk to a caucasian, then that minority is a racist? Or, do you only apply that logic to one race? And if so, then what does that make you?

[mugofbeer]

I honestly don't see where I'm the one who needs to "Chill Out." Calling someone racist is pretty serious and can have a lot of consequences. As such, it shouldn't be taken lightly and should at least be backed up with real evidence.

This is NOT real evidence.....

"...burying your head in the sand if you think this would have happened if the delivery guy was white."

" ...the delivery man was stopped because he was not a white man."

Please feel free to clarify how your apparent definition of racism consists of anything more than; if a white individual is a jerk to a minority, then that makes them racist. Do you really not think that some people are just like that with most everyone (or at least those they see as subordinates), regardless of race? Do you believe the reverse to be true? Any time a minority is a jerk to a caucasian, then that minority is a racist? Or, do you only apply that logic to one race? And if so, then what does that make you?

OK, first, I have in no way made any personal comments about you. You are going way out of line to do it to me. So cool it.

No, I don't believe the HO Assn. person would have detained a white man who was in, what I read was, a marked delivery van. Unless I have missed something about the situation, he profiled the delivery guy. Stopping the van, asking his intentions (or not stopping him at all and just following the delivery guy), then following him to the residence he was supposed to go to would have been the appropriate action, even for an aggressive watch person. Never, EVER, should the driver have been detained in any way.

Look, I'm the guy who was chastised on here for defending the OU Professors who dared to utter the "n" word as part of their classroom teaching so I'm not some woke, hair-bunned, social perfectionist out labeling everyone who doesn't meet my standards. There are some situations that just are what they appear to be.

[Brad72]

I honestly don't see where I'm the one who needs to "Chill Out." Calling someone racist is pretty serious and can have a lot of consequences. As such, it shouldn't be taken lightly and should at least be backed up with real evidence.

This is NOT real evidence.....

"...burying your head in the sand if you think this would have happened if the delivery guy was white."

" ...the delivery man was stopped because he was not a white man."

Please feel free to clarify how your apparent definition of racism consists of anything more than; if a white individual is a jerk to a minority, then that makes them racist. Do you really not think that some people are just like that with most everyone (or at least those they see as subordinates), regardless of race? Do you believe the reverse to be true? Any time a minority is a jerk to a caucasian, then that minority is a racist? Or, do you only apply that logic to one race? And if so, then what does that make you?

Well, I live in a gated neighborhood, so I take a bit of offense to that. I didn't build the gate. It was here when we fell in love with our house. I like that it keeps the door-to-door solicitors away. I guess I've found yet another thread on this forum where it's acceptable to use bullying and belittling to try and make a, albeit blunt, point. I've also experienced HOA members that were as zealous as this man. I don't know that I ever considered them racist. But I did consider them annoying.

[Pete]

I guess I've found yet another thread on this forum where it's acceptable to use bullying and belittling to try and make a, albeit blunt, point. .

It's called debate and if you don't want anyone else to comment on your posts and opinions then a discussion forum is probably not the place for you.

If you are going to keep bitching about this site, the choice of whether you post here or not is not going to be yours to make.