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    One project for MAPS4 needs to be a downtown middle/high school for the John Rex kids

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    Not enough students to warrant either. When there are 2 or 3 elementary schools dt, then would be the time.

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    They need to take care of the overcrowding at southside schools first.

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    How about investment in renewable energy production to bring power to the City of OKC at or near cost, delivering more cost effective power to benefit businesses and the people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner View Post
    How about investment in renewable energy production to bring power to the City of OKC at or near cost, delivering more cost effective power to benefit businesses and the people?
    That would be great for the people but OG&E might not like that idea so much. And from what I understand they have a very powerful voice around these parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKCRT View Post
    That would be great for the people but OG&E might not like that idea so much. And from what I understand they have a very powerful voice around these parts.
    That's one company vs. ALL of the other companies and people. One company shouldn't get to decide. If they have a business model which doesn't hold up because they are selling us power at too high a markup, too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner View Post
    That's one company vs. ALL of the other companies and people. One company shouldn't get to decide. If they have a business model which doesn't hold up because they are selling us power at too high a markup, too bad.
    Not sure if serious. This is something that literally every city in America has to think about. You don't want to upset the balance with your biggest employers. Just saying, this is something OKC deals, with, Seattle deals with, Portland, Austin, DFW, Chicago, Atlanta, etc. Seattle did away with a tax because Amazon didn't like it. I am about 90% sure that, if investments in renewable energy is chosen as an initiative, then OG&E will have been behind it.

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    Because FERC that’s why.

    You don’t get to just build power plants and power lines.

    It’s such a big, massive, expensive, complicated undertaking you need an entire team to get it done. (You know like a company)

    Also I’m pretty sure cities have zero authority in that area it’s mostly a state and federal issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gopokes88 View Post
    Because FERC that’s why.

    You don’t get to just build power plants and power lines.

    It’s such a big, massive, expensive, complicated undertaking you need an entire team to get it done. (You know like a company)

    Also I’m pretty sure cities have zero authority in that area it’s mostly a state and federal issue.
    Edmond has their own electric company. OKC could do the same. You don't have to be a for-profit corporation to follow federal regulations.

    It would be better for the community that we either have a profit-neutral operation or reinvest the revenues back into the community as Edmond does rather than paying shareholders. This would be the sort of investment which would pay dividends for generations. Rather than building costly toys like an empty stadium, which would probably kill MAPS, I hope leadership would be looking at long-term improvements which could really produce a return on the public's investment. That was surely the hope for all of the downtown projects.

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    I think it would be cool if OKC built its own solar panel farm. Doesn’t have to be overly massive, but it would be a small step to making OKC a little more environmentally friendly. Could just pump the electricity straight into the grid and use the proceeds in the general budget.

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    Renewable(solar and wind) are not a good energy source for large scale solutions. Nuclear is the best option.

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    Just thought about another idea related to the article in the Oklahoman (today, Sunday) about the Stockyard Stampede. Include in the MAPS 4 budget to give each district/area/neighborhood its own money for enhancements:

    Oklahoma City currently has a number of unique areas, neighborhoods & districts: Asian, Adventure, Automobile Alley, Bricktown, Boathouse, Capital Hill, Deep Deuce, Eastside 23rd, Film Row, Midtown, Stockyard City, The Paseo, The Plaza, Uptown 23rd, Western Avenue, Wheeler...

    Budget whatever Total amount is needed: $75 million to $100 million--let the individual districts, areas & neighbors decide how they want to spend their money. Council representative and/or established neighborhood groups could help implement/oversee the funds for the projects--$1 to $2 million...

    Give these districts/areas/neighborhoods the funds-grants for things like beautification, lights, sidewalks, signage, planters, trees etc.

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    I don’t have a dog in this fight but the problem with splitting it up is every district gets such a small amount that there’s very little overall impact. $2 million sounds like a lot, but even just some new signage, lighting, and landscaping for an intersection can get into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and if utilities need to be relocated it can very easily jump into the millions.

    MAPS has always been about a small number of huge projects that have a transformative impact on the city as a whole. If we don’t have any more of these, we need to retire it. I’d hate to see MAPS die because it got butchered up into a ton of tiny projects that no one would notice. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner View Post
    Edmond has their own electric company. OKC could do the same. You don't have to be a for-profit corporation to follow federal regulations.

    It would be better for the community that we either have a profit-neutral operation or reinvest the revenues back into the community as Edmond does rather than paying shareholders. This would be the sort of investment which would pay dividends for generations. Rather than building costly toys like an empty stadium, which would probably kill MAPS, I hope leadership would be looking at long-term improvements which could really produce a return on the public's investment. That was surely the hope for all of the downtown projects.
    Edmond has a co-op that buys their power from OGE.

    Lol. ROI. Have you ever seen an Edmond power bill? Itís about double OKCís.

    This is ludicrous. You have no idea what youíre talking. Itís just a bunch of green energy virtue signaling without any regard for how it all actually functions versus whatís feasible and makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gopokes88 View Post
    Edmond has a co-op that buys their power from OGE.

    Lol. ROI. Have you ever seen an Edmond power bill? It’s about double OKC’s.

    This is ludicrous. You have no idea what you’re talking. It’s just a bunch of green energy virtue signaling without any regard for how it all actually functions versus what’s feasible and makes sense.
    Edmond owns and operates its own power company.
    They get their energy from the Oklahoma Municipal Power Authority, which has power plants all over. They don’t buy anything from OG&E. They use “profits” to pay for essential city services - police, fire, etc.
    Find information here http://edmondok.com/1241/Why-Public-Power- before posting false information.
    Oh, Edmond residents pay 4% less than OKC. They also don’t have all the added fees. Really, did you do ANY research at all or just make up your reply to Midtowner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gopokes88 View Post
    Edmond has a co-op that buys their power from OGE.

    Lol. ROI. Have you ever seen an Edmond power bill? Itís about double OKCís.

    This is ludicrous. You have no idea what youíre talking. Itís just a bunch of green energy virtue signaling without any regard for how it all actually functions versus whatís feasible and makes sense.
    Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about.

    Quoted for posterity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catch22 View Post
    I think it would be cool if OKC built its own solar panel farm. Doesn’t have to be overly massive, but it would be a small step to making OKC a little more environmentally friendly. Could just pump the electricity straight into the grid and use the proceeds in the general budget.
    OKC is not in a good solar power location. I doubt the economics would be good. This IS a good wind energy state though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    OKC is not in a good solar power location. I doubt the economics would be good. This IS a good wind energy state though.
    We're not?



    NREL also tied Oklahoma for 6th place on their sun index level (http://www.neo.ne.gov/statshtml/201.htm).

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    Further, while lots of OK is good for wind energy generation, OKC is marginal at best.

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