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  1. #101

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    Oklahoma conservatives strongly oppose any more Medicaid, because they feel it's wrong to make any more people dependent upon the government for health care. However, SQ793 will bring more affordable eye care to rural Oklahomans. Most towns over pop. 5,000 have a Wal-Mart. I hope people there will have the good sense to vote YES.
    I just wish it didn't change the Constitution. This could easily be legislated.

  2. #102

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny d View Post
    I just wish it didn't change the Constitution. This could easily be legislated.
    +1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny d View Post
    I just wish it didn't change the Constitution. This could easily be legislated.
    Since the original prohibition against optometrists operating in retail establishments is in the state Constitution, it makes sense to amend that to change it and remove the prohibition instead of doing it via statutes.

  4. #104

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    The state constitution is such a bloated mess. Ideally this would be better implemented like the alcohol changes with a paired removal from the constitution and legislation to set the new rules, but that would be hard to do via SQs if you don't already have the legislature largely on board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTravellers View Post
    Since the original prohibition against optometrists operating in retail establishments is in the state Constitution, it makes sense to amend that to change it and remove the prohibition instead of doing it via statutes.
    Makes sense. I know it won’t happen but it would be nice to see an effort to pare all the things out of the constitution that would be better somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Robertson View Post
    Makes sense. I know it won’t happen but it would be nice to see an effort to pare all the things out of the constitution that would be better somewhere else.
    Yep, and we're overdue for a legally mandated constitutional convention that should be done for this very reason.

    From https://ballotpedia.org/State_consti...al_conventions

    "Section 2 of Article XXIV of the Oklahoma Constitution says that the question of whether to hold a convention must go on the Oklahoma ballot every 20 years. However, the last time Oklahomans voted on such a question was in 1970. According to the State Constitutional Convention Clearinghouse, "Since 1970, Oklahoma’s legislature has refused to follow its Constitution with regard to this provision. In 1994, it placed a referendum on the ballot to eliminate this requirement, but the people of Oklahoma defeated it. Since 1990, many bills have been introduced to implement this part of the Constitution but none has passed."

    Pretty ridiculous that part (or parts) of the state Constitution can just be ignored with absolutely no consequences.

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    Maybe nobody cared enough to go through the court system with lawsuits when the state constitution is ignored.

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    Both parties are scared of the potential consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    Maybe nobody cared enough to go through the court system with lawsuits when the state constitution is ignored.
    Just another way they can keep the people under their thumb.

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    Wondering if someone can force the issue, by bringing a lawsuit? Absolutely no clue if this would work, just curious if standing could be proven enough to proceed...

  11. #111

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    I’m going to be honest, I’m blown away 793 failed. Other than a couple people on here I don’t know one single person who voted no and about 98% of the signs I’ve seen were vote Yes.

    At the end of the day I’m indifferent on it. I voted yes but I didn’t feel overly strong about it.

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    And the results were neck and neck, that surprised me as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuplar View Post
    Im going to be honest, Im blown away 793 failed. Other than a couple people on here I dont know one single person who voted no and about 98% of the signs Ive seen were vote Yes.

    At the end of the day Im indifferent on it. I voted yes but I didnt feel overly strong about it.
    My optometrist told me I should vote no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG918 View Post
    My optometrist told me I should vote no.
    Had my optometrist said to vote no, I would have voted yes from getting a $538 bill from her. After insurance and a $50 coupon coupon for contacts, I got it down to $350. I voted yes. Wouldn't be surprised if many people who seldom if ever go to an eye care doctor voted NO.

    As I understand it, Wal-Mart can offer eye care, if it is willing to knock a hole in its wall for a door as the separate entrance to its eye care business. I bet Wal-Mart lost a few million from the campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuplar View Post
    I’m going to be honest, I’m blown away 793 failed. Other than a couple people on here I don’t know one single person who voted no and about 98% of the signs I’ve seen were vote Yes.
    Boy, do I ever agree about the signs. I hope they get out there today and clean it up.

    Ultimately, I think the Walmart boogeyman worked. If the narrative wasn't "Walmart is going to dictate healthcare" it was "Walmart is trying to change the constitution of our great state!". People in this very thread said they supported the issue, but were voting no because it changed the constitution. Which is really funny, considering it was pointed out that retail stores are prevented from offering vision care services BY the constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stile99 View Post
    Boy, do I ever agree about the signs. I hope they get out there today and clean it up.

    Ultimately, I think the Walmart boogeyman worked. If the narrative wasn't "Walmart is going to dictate healthcare" it was "Walmart is trying to change the constitution of our great state!". People in this very thread said they supported the issue, but were voting no because it changed the constitution. Which is really funny, considering it was pointed out that retail stores are prevented from offering vision care services BY the constitution.
    Yes hopefully all the signs get cleaned up quickly.

    I think you are right on the way the No vote portrayed it. My Aunt works in the business of eyecare and kept telling everyone in my family to vote no, so I guess I amend my prior statement, but I guess what I thought was funny is no one took the bait because they all didn't buy that passing with a Yes vote would lower the quality of healthcare like the No vote claimed.

    At the end of the day I didn't feel super strong about any of them. If they all passed fine. If none did fine as well. This is why we go vote and the people have spoken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuplar View Post

    At the end of the day I didn't feel super strong about any of them. If they all passed fine. If none did fine as well. This is why we go vote and the people have spoken.
    Agree with this. I'm much happier about the way my local races turned out.

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