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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTravellers View Post
    Still haven't heard an answer about this from you (or anybody), can you point me to where the SQ says that?
    I was sitting in a Firestone tire waiting area this morning so I didn’t catch names but Channel 9 was interviewing some state official about the issue. He said that since the optometrists in retail settings would be held to the same standards as optometrists are now that the idea of lower care in retail settings is not true. He was specifically asked if retailers could set standards of operation for optometrists on their site and he responded “Absolutely not. All optometrists are held to the same standards by the state”.

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    The funny thing is there won't even be any optometrists in retail settings, they'll still be in doctor's offices. What, are they trying to imply you'll be getting an eye exam in aisle 5 between the bread and the peanut butter? Of course not. Continuing with the Walmart example, they will have an area in the front that is within the building itself, but NOT part of Walmart. Like many that have a hair styling place inside, I imagine the receipt says whatever the name of the hair styling place is, not Walmart. (Can't be sure on this as I've not had a haircut at such places, but if they have their own sign, I would imagine they have their own receipts). Those that have a McDonald's inside...you're still buying your chicken nuggets from McDonald's. When they have Jackson Hewitt kiosks set up, your taxes are being done by Jackson Hewitt, not Walmart. The only place Walmart features in the setup is as a landlord.

    Maybe this is what all the fuss is about? They think eye doctors are going to be setting up kiosks? As if they don't need a room set to a certain brightness (or lack thereof) in order to perform the exam? Well if they're that damn dumb maybe they DO think they're buying Quarter Pounders from Walmart.

    You want to see what's going to happen when this passes, simply go to any of 47 other states. I believe I've noted before, the Costcos with eye centers DO NOT have an eye doctor in the store. They have one in the same building, with their own separate entrance, and the receipt doesn't say Costco for one simple reason...they don't work for Costco. That's what 'independent' means.

    From https://www.costco.com/optical.html

    "If you need an exam, please call an Independent Doctor of Optometry* at or next to Costco Optical to schedule an appointment.

    *Independent Doctors of Optometry are located at or next to Costco Optical in most states. "

    https://www.eyeexampros.com/wal-mart-faqs/

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    Bill and stile99 - That's the point I was trying to make and call Midtowner out on his misinformation, thank you for confirming exactly what I thought.

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    Ballot text here: https://ballotpedia.org/Oklahoma_Sta...tiative_(2018)

    I think this may be the confusing part?
    "It does not prohibit optometrists and opticians from agreeing with retail mercantile establishments to limit their practice. Laws conflicting with this Section are void."

    I think that references Section 3 Paragraph F in the Full Text: https://www.sos.ok.gov/documents/questions/793.pdf

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    In CO, the optometrist is Wal Mart branded and is in the front of the store as described above. The office is separate, but accessible from the optical shop and also has a door to the entrance area inside the store. I've used them and COSTCO for 10+ years and have never had problems. They have always been competent and professional and are far cheaper than the traditional offices. There is no reason to limit the discounters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnw View Post
    Ballot text here: https://ballotpedia.org/Oklahoma_Sta...tiative_(2018)

    I think this may be the confusing part?
    "It does not prohibit optometrists and opticians from agreeing with retail mercantile establishments to limit their practice. Laws conflicting with this Section are void."

    I think that references Section 3 Paragraph F in the Full Text: https://www.sos.ok.gov/documents/questions/793.pdf
    They don’t have to offer their fill scope of practice. They still have to offer the legal minimum of practice as required by their licensing body. If the State Board requires certain exams, they are not exempt.

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    After giving much thought about SQ 801, I am firmly against it. Why? Twenty-five years experience with public schools in OK. In theory it sounds good, giving flexibility to local districts; however, in practice I can think of scenarios such as: giving a coach a pay increase of thousands of dollars, while giving other teachers nothing (nothing in the law says that can't happen, and you can't rely on local school boards not to fall victim to the dream of having a "winning" coach!) or another, buying one of the teams all new uniforms (nothing wrong with that), but then NOT using the money to repair leaky roofs, failing HVAC systems, etc. The bill relies on the wisdom, expertise, experience, and dedication of an elected school board to provide to ALL parts of a school district and to be fair, reasonable, and smart about spending money. No, the current system isn't that great, but I foresee that this bill will bring a whole new dimension to the "law of unintended consequences."

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    Good articles with numbers and hard information about SQ794:

    https://nondoc.com/2018/10/16/sq-794...-constitution/

    https://okpolicy.org/marsys-law-is-w...-consequences/

    Apparently a similar law was ruled unconstitutional in Montana, so armed with that knowledge and the costs of it, along with other things wrong with it, it's a no for me.

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