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    Default 23rd St. Armory

    I saw a tweet from the Journal Record that there have been proposals to redevelop this complex. I don't have access but here it is http://journalrecord.com/2018/03/21/...mory-building/ It's exciting that folks are interested in redeveloping this property. Does anyone have any info?

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    That would be awesome if they developed this something similar to the West Side Market in Cleveland.

    http://westsidemarket.org/

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    Northeast OKC Armory

    Armory near capitol receives proposals for possible brewery, hotel, housing and more

    The State of Oklahoma issued a Request for Proposal (RFP) for the old Armory building at 200 NE 23rd Street and surrounding property.



    3 responses were received by the March 15th deadline: 1 from Wiggin Properties and 2 from COOP Ale Works. Wiggin is a local developer, investor and broker and COOP is a large brewer currently located near SW 44th and Council Road.

    The State has not set a firm timeline for selecting redeveloper, but that is expected to happen in the early summer.

    Credit to Molly Fleming at the Journal Record for first reporting this story.



    The following is a summary of the 3 proposals.

    Wiggin Properties

    • $2.4 million total purchase price
    • 3 Phases:

    1. Historic renovation of the Armory, reconnecting Walnut Street to NE 21st and replacing the existing warehouses with parking west of Walnut. The Armory would contain 42 residential apartments on the upper floors, most of which will qualify as workforce or affordable housing. The ground floor will most likely be leased to a substantial fitness facility encompassing 50% of the ground floor and various retail and service businesses such as one or more restaurants and other businesses which cater to the employees in the Capitol Complex and residents of the surrounding area.
    2. Re-purpose the NE quadrant (Buildings C, D, E & F) along with some new buildings or additions for restaurant and retail use.
    3. An office building of 60,000 to 100,000 square feet depending on demand and parking needs.

    COOP Ale Works I

    • This proposal calls for only purchasing the Armory and surrounding 6.5 acres for $485,000.
    • The brewery would completely relocate to this structure.
    • Addition which would include a 7,000 square foot restaurant and patio facing the State Capitol, a 4,000 square foot public and private event space and a 22-room boutique hotel
    • Architecture and appearance will remain largely unchanged
    • History of the 45th Infantry Division will be integrated into the elements of the design

    COOP Ale Works II

    • In addition to what is outlined above, COOP would purchase a full 13.4 acres for $2.3 million.
    • Remaining portion of the property will become a high density, urban combination of office and retail spaces and up to 130 multi-family units.






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    Man, I really like COOP's second proposal. To see them move from their boring current location to this would be awesome.

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    Worried the State of Oklahoma will go with the less controversial option #1, since the other 2 are focused around a brewery & being so close to the capital building.

    Also option #1 would bring in more money on the direct sell. Not sure how much money for tax purposes each option would generate, but that would obviously be something of consideration.

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    That is just awesome space inside.

    I'm pulling for COOP because I love their products and I also think their plan makes better use of that interior space.

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    I’m pulling for COOP as well! That would be awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jccouger View Post
    Worried the State of Oklahoma will go with the less controversial option #1, since the other 2 are focused around a brewery & being so close to the capital building.

    Also option #1 would bring in more money on the direct sell. Not sure how much money for tax purposes each option would generate, but that would obviously be something of consideration.
    Given the rash of recent alcohol-friendly legislation passed, I doubt that will actually matter. No sense being paranoid. I believe the COOP #2 proposal is the best, but their #1 would actually be BY FAR the worst.

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    i'm a bit concerned about the coop proposal myself... i think that awesome armory space would better serve in a more public use than a brewery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    i'm a bit concerned about the coop proposal myself... i think that awesome armory space would better serve in a more public use than a brewery.
    Wiggin Properties is the only proposal to promise a historic renovation of the building as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    i'm a bit concerned about the coop proposal myself... i think that awesome armory space would better serve in a more public use than a brewery.
    How is workforce housing more of a public use than a brewery?

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    Yes for breweries, No for apartments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onthestrip View Post
    How is workforce housing more of a public use than a brewery?
    i was assuming that the huge, open central area would be the restaurant and fitness facility... i'm not saying that's ideal, either. i think the space would work better as some sort of venue, indoor market, restaurant, or some other public-facing use. while a brewery would probably have tours, it just seems like a limited public use of such a cool space.

    edit:

    i think something like this would be much better than a brewery's factory floor:

    but it's not my money at risk, so i don't get a vote. : )

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    Here is the full story from the Journal Record. It wasn't posted this morning when I looked at first.

    2 groups submit proposals for 23rd Street Armory building

    By: Molly M. Fleming The Journal Record March 21, 2018

    OKLAHOMA CITY – Two entities submitted three proposals about what they’d like to do with the 23rd Street Armory building.

    The state has been overseeing the 72,000-square-foot building at 200 NE 23rd St. since 2010, when the Oklahoma National Guard closed it. The request for qualified proposals shows 11 properties – including the armory – that could be addressed in the applications.

    This is the first time a building has been sold in the State Capitol Complex. The state was given the power to sell its excess property by a law created in 2011. The State Capital Publishing Co. Building in Guthrie was the first to be sold under that law.

    The request-for-proposals process is being overseen by the Office of Management and Enterprise Services. Director of Capital Assets Dan Ross said he thought the state would receive several ideas about the property since many parties toured the buildings.

    “I was surprised we didn’t get more,” said Melissa Milburn, real estate services director.

    Longtime Oklahoma developer Chuck Wiggin, president of Wiggin Properties, submitted a proposal. Wiggin offered to pay $1.2 million for 10 of the 11 properties. Wiggin’s proposal does not include buying Building A, which sits west of the armory.

    Wiggin Properties wants to renovate the armory building into 42 workforce-housing apartments. The proposal also calls for a restaurant on the first floor and a gym in the large open main area.

    Wiggin said he does plan to get the building put on the National Register of Historic Places. He said it was a challenge coming up with what to do with the property, but it lays out very nicely to have exterior windows and then balconies overlooking the gym.

    “This will not be easy,” Wiggin said.

    “But we think in combination with the other parcels of land that this will breathe some new life and excitement into that area in close proximity to the Capitol,” he said. “We can really bring the quality and vitality of that area up dramatically.”

    The other buildings would be used for retail and offices. There are also plans to build a 60,000-square-foot to 100,000-square-foot office building, with the size varying based on space and parking needs.

    In addition, the Wiggin proposal also calls for opening up N. Walnut Avenue to connect to 21st Street.

    The other two proposals came from brewery Coop Ale Works. The company wants to move its southwest Oklahoma City corporate headquarters and beer brewing operations near S. Council Road and SW 44th Street into the building, as well as build a 22-room boutique hotel, a 4,000-square-foot special-event space, and a 7,000-square-foot restaurant.

    Coop would purchase the armory and surrounding 6.5 acres for $485,000. The company would relocate its employees and add 40 jobs, creating an estimated economic impact of $100 million by 2025.

    “This development will spur the continued, accelerated, and much-needed investment in the city’s northeast corridor, and it will bring to light a bright spotlight of tourism to Oklahoma’s beautiful Capitol area,” wrote the company in its submitted statement of interest.

    In its second proposal, Coop would pay $2.3 million for the armory, surrounding buildings, and 13.4 acres. It would still do all the updates previously discussed. It would also partner with Urban Realty Partners of Atlanta and build a mixed-use high-density development, with up to 130 housing units.

    The armory building is in the Capitol-Medical Center Improvement and Zoning Commission’s jurisdiction. Next, the proposals will be looked at by a six-member review committee. Those committee members could discuss the proposals more with the submitting entities or negotiate a price, said Carie Carman, project manager.

    The RFP lists three key criteria: community benefits, the redeveloper’s qualifications and experience, and the redeveloper’s financial capacity.

    The winning proposal could be announced by June 15, said Carman. But that date isn’t a firm deadline and could change, she said.

    The design has to be approved by the state-run Capitol-Medical Center Improvement and Zoning Commission. It does not have to be approved by a city of Oklahoma City commission because it is state-owned property and in a state-controlled district.

    Construction was approved for the 23rd Street Armory as a Works Progress Administration project in September 1935. The building’s use as an armory ended in 2010 when the property was transferred to OMES after closure by the Oklahoma National Guard. Since that time, it has been used for storage for state agencies.

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    The brewery would have public/private event space as well.

    When it comes to these government owned properties, I will always favor a use where the general public can easily see and use it. Anyone can go into a brewery, restaurant and event space but unless you rented an apartment or joined this particular gym, almost none of us would ever see the inside of this place, no matter how well it might be preserved.

    I feel the same way about the Calvary Church in Deep Deuce. The photos are super cool but I've never even been inside there and probably never will unless the use/owner changes to something more public.

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    BTW, Wiggin was the proposed developer of Overholser Green, the high-end condo project that initially won approval by OCURA to develop the site that is now home to The Edge.

    As it turned out, he could never get that project off the ground and OCURA re-opened the process before eventually selecting Gary Brooks.

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    Coop II, with a clawback if it's not developed in a timely manner (say 10 years).
    Oklahoma City, the RENAISSANCE CITY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    i was assuming that the huge, open central area would be the restaurant and fitness facility... i'm not saying that's ideal, either. i think the space would work better as some sort of venue, indoor market, restaurant, or some other public-facing use. while a brewery would probably have tours, it just seems like a limited public use of such a cool space.

    edit:

    i think something like this would be much better than a brewery's factory floor:

    but it's not my money at risk, so i don't get a vote. : )
    That's what my first thought was with something like West Side Market in CLE.
    West-Side-FF-Madness.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    BTW, Wiggin was the proposed developer of Overholser Green, the high-end condo project that initially won approval by OCURA to develop the site that is now home to The Edge.

    As it turned out, he could never get that project off the ground and OCURA re-opened the process before eventually selecting Gary Brooks.
    I’m willing to bet Wiggins gets it. OMES has a weird love affair with him I’ve never understood.

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    Lackmeyer said this about the Armory in his chat today, so I wonder if he cares enough and has time enough and is pursuing getting the renderings or if he's just griping?

    The Coop Ale brewery/hotel/retail/restaurants/event center/housing seems almost too good to be true, though they say have financing and would do it all at once. But we do not really know what this would look like. Renderings were submitted

    This is state property. It is owned by Oklahoma residents. Yet the lawyers at the Office of Management and Enterprise Services are, in my reading of the law, violating the Oklahoma Open Records Act by withholding renderings submitted by the two sets of developers.

    Coop Ale could have chosen to release its renderings, but they are clearly worried about upsetting the state agency even though a representative said they would not penalize either bidder for releasing the designs.

    The Wiggin proposal would bring in much needed affordable housing, retail and restaurants, but in a phased development. The designs provided show the historic integrity of the property would be retained. The real question mark on this proposal is the inclusion of potential offices when there are large empty office buildings empty on Lincoln Boulevard.

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    Whether it is Lackmeyer, local sports writers, or national writers, reporters, seem to not ask the hard questions. The perception is reporters fear losing access to the power brokers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersey Boss View Post
    Whether it is Lackmeyer, local sports writers, or national writers, reporters, seem to not ask the hard questions. The perception is reporters fear losing access to the power brokers.
    My impression from his comments on the chat and on Twitter is that Steve tried to get OMES to release the designs, but OMES counsel said no and now he's "fighting" with them to get OMES to release the designs.

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    Yes, when I contacted OMES they would not provide the renderings.

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    Any updates on this?

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