Oklahoma’s request for Real ID Act extension denied

[jedicurt]

this reminds me... i need to get my passport renewed...

[LakeEffect]

"Beginning October 1, 2020, every air traveler 18 years of age and older will need a REAL ID-compliant driver’s license or another acceptable form of ID to fly within the United States."

https://www.tsa.gov/real-id

[Edmond Hausfrau]

"For people who don't have a passport and are waiting to fly domestically, we know this is nail biting for them. We don't like it either, but we're hopeful we'll get that extension, and we're hopeful we'll hear about it any day now," Stewart said."
From above KFOR report. Fun times at the airport if extension not granted in time.

[Edmond Hausfrau]

Does the extension run out Oct 1st 2020, or Oct 10 2019? That's a pretty big difference.
Either way, I'd make sure passport is up to date unless you have military or tribal ID

[Teo9969]

Does the extension run out Oct 1st 2020, or Oct 10 2019? That's a pretty big difference.
Either way, I'd make sure passport is up to date unless you have military or tribal ID

Oct 10 2019 is when our current extension runs out. Were we to get another extension it's essentially "last-call". There will be no more extensions granted beyond 10/1/2020

[LakeEffect]

Does the extension run out Oct 1st 2020, or Oct 10 2019? That's a pretty big difference.
Either way, I'd make sure passport is up to date unless you have military or tribal ID

The extension for Oklahoma runs out October 10, 2019.

For ALL Americans, the TSA is allowing travel through October 1, 2020 for anyone without an ID that is compliant with Real ID.

My understanding is that, after October 10, 2019, however, if you need to entire a federal facility that requires Real ID, you WILL need it. That's the hairy part that isn't seemingly answered by the news stories, but maybe I've missed it.

[CloudDeckMedia]

The extension for Oklahoma runs out October 10, 2019.

For ALL Americans, the TSA is allowing travel through October 1, 2020 for anyone without an ID that is compliant with Real ID.

My understanding is that, after October 10, 2019, however, if you need to entire a federal facility that requires Real ID, you WILL need it. That's the hairy part that isn't seemingly answered by the news stories, but maybe I've missed it.

So an Oklahoma DL is OK for air travel, but not a federal courthouse?

[CloudDeckMedia]

David Ostrowe - Gov. Stitt's Sec'y of Digital Transformation & Administration - is actively working on making the Oklahoma DL RealID-compliant, according to this August 2019 piece. https://kfor.com/2019/08/06/another-...or-oklahomans/

[Edmond Hausfrau]

David Ostrowe - Gov. Stitt's Sec'y of Digital Transformation & Administration - is actively working on making the Oklahoma DL RealID-compliant, according to this August 2019 piece. https://kfor.com/2019/08/06/another-...or-oklahomans/

That piece also mentioned that Homeland security says they have not gotten the extension, even though Stitt's office says they were told that the extension is granted.
We are one of the last states to get this done. Why?
Now this poor guy Ostrowe wants to beta test Mobile ID, go live in April 2020 and then get entire state enrolled by October 2020? Fun.

[Rover]

That piece also mentioned that Homeland security says they have not gotten the extension, even though Stitt's office says they were told that the extension is granted.
We are one of the last states to get this done. Why?
Now this poor guy Ostrowe wants to beta test Mobile ID, go live in April 2020 and then get entire state enrolled by October 2020? Fun.

I believe the Tea Party convinced the legislature and Fallon that this was a federal deep state conspiracy to exert federal control over state rights. This, like the failure to extend Medicare, numerous ten commandment fights, unreasonable women’s rights issues, tax reductions and other of their fights have ended in lost revenue, failed court challenges, and general delays in keeping up with current needs. Welcome to the reddest of red states.

[jerrywall]

I believe the Tea Party convinced the legislature and Fallon that this was a federal deep state conspiracy to exert federal control over state rights. This, like the failure to extend Medicare, numerous ten commandment fights, unreasonable women’s rights issues, tax reductions and other of their fights have ended in lost revenue, failed court challenges, and general delays in keeping up with current needs. Welcome to the reddest of red states.

I'm impressed the Tea Party developed a time machine to grab Fallon and fly back to 2007 and force the innocent Democrats and Brad Henry to pass a bill blocking the implementation of the real ID (a Bush/Patriot Act initiative). Yes, that's a more logical answer than the fact that there were privacy concerns with many people across party lines, and if you look at other states and their adoption fights and timelines (even the blue states) you'll see similar.

It did take us longer than it should have to repeal that law. But let's not make some tea party boogyman be the villain here, as much as some folks like to inject their political points.

[Rover]

I'm impressed the Tea Party developed a time machine to grab Fallon and fly back to 2007 and force the innocent Democrats and Brad Henry to pass a bill blocking the implementation of the real ID (a Bush/Patriot Act initiative). Yes, that's a more logical answer than the fact that there were privacy concerns with many people across party lines, and if you look at other states and their adoption fights and timelines (even the blue states) you'll see similar.

It did take us longer than it should have to repeal that law. But let's not make some tea party boogyman be the villain here, as much as some folks like to inject their political points.

You need to check the whole history and who was behind the paranoia. This state is dominated by backward tea party thinking and action.

[gopokes88]

You need to check the whole history and who was behind the paranoia. This state is dominated by backward tea party thinking and action.

You do understand the tea party wasn't a thing till 2009 right? That's his entire point. Blaming this on the "tea party" is absurd, it didn't exist.

[jerrywall]

You need to check the whole history and who was behind the paranoia. This state is dominated by backward tea party thinking and action.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm not the one who needs their history lesson. Unless you're claiming Connie Johnson is a member of the tea party (she wrote the bill blocking the DHS implementation, and causing us to miss out on the federal grants to cover the costs, which delayed our implementation even longer). Now, the support for blocking the implementation was bipartisan (IIRC there was zero opposition, and no nay votes on the bill), and it was signed in by Henry. So again, please, tell me how the organization that started in 2009 pushed through this block in 2007? I'll be over here waiting.

And I guess this is why California and New York fought so hard against it too; those reddest of red states (I mean hey, California implemented it last year, although they messed it up, and did it wrong, so even this year there was lots of confusion, but at least they did something I guess?)

When the Real ID was introduced in 2005, the Patriot act had lost lots of it's support across the country. By 2007 the Iraq was war unpopular, and pretty much all states had active opposition to the implementation of the Real ID compliance. They've pretty much all had to be dragged kicking and screaming into implementation. Our bill made it worse, at it prohibited taking lots of actions which would have laid the groundwork for compliance. There were multiple attempts over the years to get the 2007 law repealed, but it was only recently that they finally got it passed (so shame on the legislature for taking so long there). But to minimize this down to R vs D is silly, and unneeded. I don't share the privacy concern folks have, but I don't dismiss it as simple partisan politics either. There's a lot of resistance to a national ID, and they didn't do a very good job explaining what the Real ID act was.

[jonny d]

I believe the Tea Party convinced the legislature and Fallon that this was a federal deep state conspiracy to exert federal control over state rights. This, like the failure to extend Medicare, numerous ten commandment fights, unreasonable women’s rights issues, tax reductions and other of their fights have ended in lost revenue, failed court challenges, and general delays in keeping up with current needs. Welcome to the reddest of red states.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/sta...pliant-states/

A lot of very blue states on the list of states not Real-ID compliant.

EDit: article is outdated. Only Oregon, Oklahoma, and New Jersey are non-compliant now.

[Rivalyn]

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has granted the state's REAL ID extension through Sept. 18, 2020, officials with the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety announced Thursday morning.

Officials said this means the federal government will continue to recognize Oklahoma driver's licenses and ID cards for flying on commercial airlines or entering federal facilities until that time.

https://www.koco.com/article/oklahom...s-say/29351163

[jerrywall]

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has granted the state's REAL ID extension through Sept. 18, 2020, officials with the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety announced Thursday morning.

Officials said this means the federal government will continue to recognize Oklahoma driver's licenses and ID cards for flying on commercial airlines or entering federal facilities until that time.

https://www.koco.com/article/oklahom...s-say/29351163

I had expected this. With us in the process of implementation, and with some of the roll out issues going on still in some states I'd be shocked if they wouldn't have granted the extension.

[FighttheGoodFight]

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has granted the state's REAL ID extension through Sept. 18, 2020, officials with the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety announced Thursday morning.

Officials said this means the federal government will continue to recognize Oklahoma driver's licenses and ID cards for flying on commercial airlines or entering federal facilities until that time.

https://www.koco.com/article/oklahom...s-say/29351163

Also Gov. Stitt said this is the last extension needed and they roll out next year. Seems like a good resolution to the whole situation.

[gopokes88]

Thank god ive got a global entry card

[Edmond Hausfrau]

Putting aside the political to-and-fro, I do find it interesting that both global entry card and PIV card can be used as alternate, but TSA Pre check cannot. I had PIV card, and it seemed like TSA pre check was much harder to obtain.

[BoulderSooner]

Putting aside the political to-and-fro, I do find it interesting that both global entry card and PIV card can be used as alternate, but TSA Pre check cannot. I had PIV card, and it seemed like TSA pre check was much harder to obtain.

there is no tsa precheck card is there?

[Edmond Hausfrau]

there is no tsa precheck card is there?

Well, it's not actually a card, but no. TSA pre check doesn't count as REAL ID. Which is a bummer.

[d-usa]

Well, it's not actually a card, but no. TSA pre check doesn't count as REAL ID. Which is a bummer.

Considering that Real ID pretty much focused on, well, an ID card, it seems to make sense that programs that don’t have an ID card have problems counting as a valid ID card.

[Laramie]

OKLAHOMA CITY (KFOR) – As state leaders get ready for the REAL ID Act to go into effect next year, they are releasing what the state’s compliant driver’s licenses will look like in the future.

According to the latest timeline given to the Department of Public Safety by the vendor, the project maintains its progression toward the estimated target date of April 2020 for initial rollout. Additionally, full statewide implementation will be completed by September 2020,” the state’s latest extension request read.

[gopokes88]

That’s a pretty cool design tbh