Kd's Restaurant / Legacy Grill

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[category=]Bricktown[/category]
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[category=]Lower Bricktown[/category]
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Address: 308 Johnny Bench Drive Phone: (405) 701-3535 Hours: Mon-Thu 4 pm - 10 pm Fri-Sat 11 am - 11 pm Sun 11 am - 10 pm Development: Lower Bricktown Status: Opened Dec 2013 Links: Official Website Menu Facebook Page Yelp Urban Spoon Eat Around OKC

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Operated by the Hal Smith Group
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[Spartan]

This is what was supposed to go there:

[catch22]

1 story?

Odd.... Steve?

[Pete]

Yes, one story.

And 10,200 square feet is a lot. Toby Keith's is 14,000.

[Chicken In The Rough]

Suburbanization of Bricktown?

[kevinpate]

perhaps a small dining spot, and an even smaller pub, and a bit of retail? Nice thing about shells, they are flexible little boxes.

[onthestrip]

Seems like a bit of a waste to only go one story

[jedicurt]

Seems like a bit of a waste to only go one story

my thoughts as well... i was hoping for at least two stories... but was really thinking a 3/4 story, with the upper level (2 levels if it's 4) be residential, and the lower two floors be low end retail and restaurant

[wschnitt]

Curious, how is that building in the picture that Nick posted one story? Sure looks two to me.

I read that caption as being "this was what was originally planned"

[CuatrodeMayo]

Curious, how is that building in the picture that Nick posted one story? Sure looks two to me.

It's a fake second story (fake architecture in Bricktown, imagine that). Spring Creek Plaza in Edmond is the same way.

[Just the facts]

Suburbanization of Bricktown?

It will just be less that has to be torn down when we get around to fixing Lower Bricktown.

[Watson410]

Seems like a bit of a waste to only go one story

Do you consider Toby Keith's a waste of space only being one story? Seems pretty successful to me... There wouldn't be much foot traffic on the second floor either, IMO, since the second level from Earl's Rib Palace wouldn't be connected to it. I don't see many people walking up stairs to go to one store...

[Spartan]

It's a fake second story (fake architecture in Bricktown, imagine that). Spring Creek Plaza in Edmond is the same way.

So that rendering is still accurate? I just recalled when that was originally proposed in 2008...

[Just the facts]

Do you consider Toby Keith's a waste of space only being one story? Seems pretty successful to me... There wouldn't be much foot traffic on the second floor either, IMO, since the second level from Earl's Rib Palace wouldn't be connected to it. I don't see many people walking up stairs to go to one store...

The main problem with LB is that the buildings are too wide. Instead of a single building with 100 feet of canal frontage they should of had 5 to 7 individual storefronts covering the same space. The volume should come from depth and height, not width.

Like this except with a canal, not a street.

[Ginkasa]

Supposedly its another restaurant from the Hal Smith group. Word on the street says its going to be a steak house with another celebrity name attached, but that name hasn't been decided yet.

[BoulderSooner]

Do you consider Toby Keith's a waste of space only being one story? Seems pretty successful to me... There wouldn't be much foot traffic on the second floor either, IMO, since the second level from Earl's Rib Palace wouldn't be connected to it. I don't see many people walking up stairs to go to one store...

toby keith's has a second floor ..

[Pete]

Toby Keith's is 26 feet high and this one will be 22.

[Spartan]

I wasn't really following the TK Warrior responses, but did that one slip past the general past consensus that TK's I Love This Bar and Grill is in fact precisely a big EIFS waste of space?

[CuatrodeMayo]

toby keith's has a second floor ..

More like a small mezzanine.

[onthestrip]

Do you consider Toby Keith's a waste of space only being one story? Seems pretty successful to me... There wouldn't be much foot traffic on the second floor either, IMO, since the second level from Earl's Rib Palace wouldn't be connected to it. I don't see many people walking up stairs to go to one store...

Toby Keith's does have a sort of second story but it's a giant themed restaurant that also is a concert hall. So some heighth is needed. And Of course you wouldn't put retail on the second floor of this new building. Office or residential is what the second floor would be used for.
Seems like a waste of canal frontage for wide, expansive, one story, single use buildings to be placed there. But hey, that's just me.

[catch22]

Toby Keith's does have a sort of second story but it's a giant themed restaurant that also is a concert hall. So some heighth is needed. And Of course you wouldn't put retail on the second floor of this new building. Office or residential is what the second floor would be used for.
Seems like a waste of canal frontage for wide, expansive, one story, single use buildings to be placed there. But hey, that's just me.

That's lower bricktown for you. Harkins, Sonic (albeit multi story), Toby Keiths, Bass Pro...

[Spartan]

What do any of you guys expect for Lower Bricktown though, honestly?

I'm curious where exactly any of us are getting these expectations that quality development should be happening around downtown. What makes us feel like we have the right to demand development that doesn't harm our public investment in downtown areas? On what basis are we wanting to tell a private property owner what they can do with their property when there isn't even a political will in City Hall or BUDC or DDRC to do so?

This is just the exact same crap from the last 10-20 years. Are you all not just over it by now? Face the facts. Stop pretending this isn't Oklahoma City.

[skanaly]

I think this will be nice, but yes, i think thats just wasted space up top. Either a really tall roof, or a big attic.

[Spartan]

I think this will be nice, but yes, i think thats just wasted space up top. Either a really tall roof, or a big attic.

It sounds like you're basing this on the rendering that I posted up there. Let me again stress that the above rendering is what was supposed to go on this site. I will be mildly surprised if the above rendering comes to fruition, since I haven't seen any renderings yet actually attached to this building permit application.

The proof will be in the pudding.

[catch22]

What do any of you guys expect for Lower Bricktown though, honestly?

I'm curious where exactly any of us are getting these expectations that quality development should be happening around downtown.

Exactly. As long as suburban OKC continues to build itself around the automobile, we will see half-baked attempts at downtown development. Although lately, we have been getting better developments....

Without sending this thread off on a tangent, Bricktown's success and uphill struggle is it's tourism. We could probably get better development if it weren't for the tourist aspect and creating parking spaces for all of those tourists. But Bricktown's lifeline is also it's tourist traffic.

Bricktown is good, I just think it could be a lot better.