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    Bricktown3 Staybridge Suites


    Information & Latest News

    120 S. Lincoln
    status= Proposed
    owner= Danny Patel
    architect= RK Design & Planning
    height= 5 stories
    131 rooms

    5/14/14: $6 million building permit application
    4/16/14: OCURA to extend start of development to June 2014 and completion deadline to December 2015
    3/26/13: Design approved
    2/14/13: Bricktown hotel development is unveiled
    2/12/13: Design application
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    Last edited by Pete; 02-07-2011 at 03:25 PM.

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    Default Re: Developers propose hotel in Oklahoma City's Bricktown area

    Hard to get excited about this.....

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    Default Re: Developers propose hotel in Oklahoma City's Bricktown area

    You can't get excited about this? Why? This is great news. At 100 to 125 rooms it will be about 5 to 7 stories and extend downtown/Bricktown even more. Just think of all the low-rise building that were removed as part of urban renewal. We are starting to get those back.

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    Default Re: Developers propose hotel in Oklahoma City's Bricktown area

    exactly, plus with this downtown now has its first - true extended stay hotel.

    Residence Inns are supposedly extended stay but usually those are the suburban locations, downtown ones are HARDLY the same: see the upscale one we have now. ...

    This new hotel will bring in another price range for people, which is needed. Downtown can't be all upscale and full-service, you need boutique and you also need extended stay!

    So, let me take a stab on the room count downtown:

    Candlewood Suites = 125 rooms (extended stay, 3 star?) *
    Colcord Hotel = 150 rooms (all upscale/boutique, 4.5 star)
    Courtyard Hotel = 250 rooms (all upscale and urban/hip, 4 star)
    Hampton Inn and Suites = 250 rooms (upscale, urban 3 star) *
    Hilton Skirvin Hotel = 225 rooms (all full-upscale 5 star)
    Holiday Inn Express = 150 rooms (budget hotel, 3 star) *
    Renaissance Hotel = 311 rooms (all upscale, convention 4.5 star)
    Residence Inn = 150 rooms (upscale, business "extended stay" 3 star)
    Sheraton Hotel = 395 rooms (upscale, business, and convention, 3.5 star)

    = 2006 rooms Downtown.

    * indicates hotels either u/c or approved

    Need I say, we still need more hotels; like some heavy hitters (>500 rooms). Honestly, I think we low-balled the Renaissance hotel; it should ahve been at least 20 storeys which would have given us at least 415 rooms (which sounds more like a 'convention hotel'). I think Courtyard hotel is low-balled also; it should have been 12 storeys at least instead of 8 (which would give 375 rooms). That's 230 additional rooms and alone would put us over 2250 rooms.

    I think we need to shoot for 3000 rooms total complete, u/c, and approved by 2010, and 5000 rooms by 2015.
    Oklahoma City, the RENAISSANCE CITY!

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    Default Re: Developers propose hotel in Oklahoma City's Bricktown area

    Quote Originally Posted by HOT ROD View Post
    So, let me take a stab on the room count downtown:

    Candlewood Suites = 125 rooms (extended stay, 3 star?) *
    Colcord Hotel = 150 rooms (all upscale/boutique, 4.5 star)
    Courtyard Hotel = 250 rooms (all upscale and urban/hip, 4 star)
    Hampton Inn and Suites = 250 rooms (upscale, urban 3 star) *
    Hilton Skirvin Hotel = 225 rooms (all full-upscale 5 star)
    Holiday Inn Express = 150 rooms (budget hotel, 3 star) *
    Renaissance Hotel = 311 rooms (all upscale, convention 4.5 star)
    Residence Inn = 150 rooms (upscale, business "extended stay" 3 star)
    Sheraton Hotel = 395 rooms (upscale, business, and convention, 3.5 star)
    Where are you getting these star ratings?

    The Skirvin isn't and can't be 5 star. There are so many detailed requirements of 5 stars that it's not possible. In fact, the Skirvin has not even been Mobil star rated. If it was, it would probably get 3 stars (same as the Renaissance, Sheraton, Waterford, and Crowne Plaza...all of which do have Mobil ratings)

    The Skirvin could possibly get 4 stars if they were seriously seriously on top of the inspector.

    The Skirvin does (along with the others I mentioned) have a AAA 4-Diamond rating. Of course AAA Diamonds are much easier to get than Mobil Stars. Mobil is definitely the "gold standard" in hotel ratings.

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    I think OKC needs to focus on landing a couple 400-500+ room hotels instead of these 100-200 room ones

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    Default Re: Developers propose hotel in Oklahoma City's Bricktown area

    Quote Originally Posted by Platemaker View Post
    Where are you getting these star ratings?

    The Skirvin isn't and can't be 5 star. There are so many detailed requirements of 5 stars that it's not possible. In fact, the Skirvin has not even been Mobil star rated. If it was, it would probably get 3 stars (same as the Renaissance, Sheraton, Waterford, and Crowne Plaza...all of which do have Mobil ratings)

    The Skirvin could possibly get 4 stars if they were seriously seriously on top of the inspector.

    The Skirvin does (along with the others I mentioned) have a AAA 4-Diamond rating. Of course AAA Diamonds are much easier to get than Mobil Stars. Mobil is definitely the "gold standard" in hotel ratings.
    I'm pretty sure there was an article a few months back saying that the Skirvin was #1 on the Hilton Hotels list. With that said, it should be a ***** hotel..

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    Default Re: Developers propose hotel in Oklahoma City's Bricktown area

    Quote Originally Posted by OKCisOK4me View Post
    I'm pretty sure there was an article a few months back saying that the Skirvin was #1 on the Hilton Hotels list. With that said, it should be a ***** hotel..
    I recall that same article... but I don't recall the publication, criteria, etc.

    According to Mobil, the top rated Hilton is The Beverly Hilton and it is 4 Stars. You have to remember... Hilton really isn't the "fancy pants" brand anymore. For that try some Four Seasons, Mandarin Oriental, or St. Regis.

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    There is no way...that the Sheraton would even be on par with the Skirvin. The Renaissance isn't even on par with the Skirvin, it would surely get better ratings...by far.

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    Default Re: Developers propose hotel in Oklahoma City's Bricktown area

    "On par" is all a matter of opinion in the way that I think you mean. Mobil and AAA both have minimum requirements for their Star/Diamond ratings. That said, based only on the accommodation types and services advertised a property will have the potential for a particular rating.... then the inspector shows up and based on the level of service he receives makes or breaks the rating.

    The Skirvin does not offer any services that the Shearton and Renaissance do not... at least not insomuch as it would put them above and beyond.

    The Skirvin website says they have shoe shine service... negative. None of the downtown hotels do. If the inspector wanted his shoes shined....BAM.... they are farther from that star.

    I agree that the Skirvin is more attractive, grand, and appealing... but it doesn't mean that the Sheraton can't score higher "by far" on rating systems with specific requirements.

    5 Star (specifying Mobil) require crazy things like original artwork in each room.... 4 requires it too... but they can be prints. If the property can't meet that requirement, they have to make up for it in another area. It's a "we require all items from column C, at least 8 from column B, and 3 from column A" sort of thing.

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    Default Re: Developers propose hotel in Oklahoma City's Bricktown area

    Here's a 7 story Candlewood Suites in NYC:





    I'm sure it will look like the Residence Inn across the street.

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    And here's what the rest of them look like...can anybody say EIFS?

    East Lansing:


    Detroit:


    Hampton, VA:


    Colorado Springs:


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    Default Re: Developers propose hotel in Oklahoma City's Bricktown area

    You can't get excited about this? Why?
    I think mainly because these things are a dime a dozen and rarely, if ever, are they any different or bring anything new to the area. The rooms are welcome, but these things are turning an area that many expected to be a unique and interesting enertainment district into another Meridian Ave or Memorial Rd.

    So, I think it's pretty understandable that many will find it hard to get excited about something that the city already has many of and the huge compromise it represents compared to what many had envisioned for the bricktown district and its immediate surroundings. Add to it that the area has had a lot of public investment to try and bring new things to the city, and these kind of developments fall short of that goal. It's just a matter of opportunity cost because 1) once it's developed it will be decades before it can be redeveloped and 2) addings rooms with these mediocre only reduces the chances that another major hotel dedvelopment will come online.

    But, in the end, I think it's just more of a statement on the area. It's not like it really planned for anything different and is still in pretty much "we'll take what we can get" mode....

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    It's tough because we do need the rooms, and if we say no to this, how long do we have to wait before something better is proposed? Funk had a good proposal and it got nixed. At least this is way on the edge of Bricktown.

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    Default Re: Developers propose hotel in Oklahoma City's Bricktown area

    Quote Originally Posted by jbrown84 View Post
    It's tough because we do need the rooms, and if we say no to this, how long do we have to wait before something better is proposed? Funk had a good proposal and it got nixed. At least this is way on the edge of Bricktown.
    That's the best argument for this type of development. That's why I can't get excited about it. It will be nice to have more rooms, and it's good to have rooms everyone can afford, but this will not have any improving effect on the Bricktown area, except that it will hide some of the really bad looking buildings just north of it.

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    Default Re: Developers propose hotel in Oklahoma City's Bricktown area

    Regardless of a 4 or 5 star discrepancy over the Skirvin... I think we can all agree it is a beautiful hotel and a great asset to OKC. I don't think anyone staying there will have complaints about it. It is good the "lower-end" nice hotels are on the edges of Bricktown... but... it would be nicer to see better hotels moving in. Guess we have to start somewhere... Right!

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    Here are two downtown photos I have found for Candlewood Suites, one in downtown Montreal and one is proposed for downtown Terre Haute, IN.

    Montreal


    Terre Haute


    I think something similar to the second photo would be alright, minus the the colors of the children's museum.

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    They already said they were going to meet or exceed Bricktown standards, so I'm alright with it. It won't have any EIFS if the Bricktown design committee has any say-- witness the Hampton and Holiday Inn.

    Secondly, I used to work in a downtown hotel, and trust me, there is no way any current OKC hotel could be a 5-star. There are physical requirements for such that no amount of amenities or service could overcome. 4 star or 4 diamond is nothing to get upset over, though. Most cities our size and larger do not have a 5 star hotel. Not even all Ritz Carltons, Four Seasons, etc. are 5 star hotels-- many are 4 star.

    According to the hotel websites:

    Renaissance is a 4 diamond
    Skirvin Hilton is a 4 diamond
    Courtyard Marriott is a 3 diamond

    I could not find a rating for the Sheraton, so I assume it is a 3 diamond. The Colcord may not yet be rated. I did not find star ratings in my quick search.

    Also, according to article about the Skirvin Hilton, it was the #13 Hilton in the world in customer satisfaction.

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    Default Re: Developers propose hotel in Oklahoma City's Bricktown area

    Here are two downtown photos I have found for Candlewood Suites,
    Those do provide some hope, especially the second one. I wouldn't even mind something like that children's museum on the first floor. At least it would be another attraction and a better use of street level real estate. However, that looks like it might be a conversion. I doubt we can anything like that with new construction. But again, maybe there is some hope for it. Please, just make it nicer than the Residence Inn and at least it will be a step in the right direction and maybe an indication to futrue developers that we're done with that.

    Also, we could use some large banners on the buildings like those in the Indiana pic. I like the street light banners fine, but I think banners like that would make the area look even more active.

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    I saw in the Oklahoman this is actually on the NE corner of Lincoln and Reno. That is so far out there. Hardly seems like Bricktown.

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    at least the rooms will have nice views of I-235 or the ball park lights.

    Maybe it will seem a tad more connected once whatever replaces the vacated collision service goes in, or up, on that property

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    I drove by the old FOX Collision place the other day, some new auto repair shop already went in. So long for a developer buying it with a better use. At least it's not near as noticeable since they painted it tan and red instead of the electric blue it was.

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    Default Re: Developers propose hotel in Oklahoma City's Bricktown area

    I believe that area is outside the purview of the Bricktown design committee.

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    Default Re: Developers propose hotel in Oklahoma City's Bricktown area

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Brzycki View Post
    I believe that area is outside the purview of the Bricktown design committee.
    I believe Bricktown extended their boundries to 235 on the east.

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    Default Re: Developers propose hotel in Oklahoma City's Bricktown area

    Quote Originally Posted by jbrown84 View Post
    I saw in the Oklahoman this is actually on the NE corner of Lincoln and Reno. That is so far out there. Hardly seems like Bricktown.
    Seems like an odd location.

    Immortal, I like the second pic of the one proposed for IN. It's not just a brick box but has some architectural interest.

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