Brickopolis

[dankrutka]

Parking in Bricktown is easy. Are people that have to walk 4-6 blocks just not able to figure out where to park? It blows my mind when people complain about this.

This development is fine, but allowing parking makes it not worth it. That parking lot will not be converted to another building any time soon.

[Pete]

From reading Steve's article, it seems the committee didn't have any legal right to withhold approval based on parking alone.

All other aspects of this development are in compliance.

[Steve]

Now that it's over, I will admit I had trouble seeing how this wouldn't have prevailed at the Board of Adjustment if the committee had rejected the application.

[jbrown84]

I actually think the buildings look great, but the parking is a major mistake. Do we know if he is going to engineer it to allow adding more floors on top if he or someone else wants to expand?

[Thunder]

Incorrect!

The parking lot is not a mistake. You will see when its complete.

[Spartan]

Well Lower Bricktown has officially taken over ALL of Bricktown.

[Spartan]

Let's hope this brings more retail to the area and sparks more development.

It won't be quality development, we know that.

[Just the facts]

Well Lower Bricktown has officially taken over ALL of Bricktown.

Why is it that all the bad stuff is contagious?

[soonerguru]

What an abortion. Too bad Scaramucci and the other guy didn't vote.

Sadly, stuff like this will always happen in OKC. It's just the way things are here. When we do get quality development it is completely obtuse like Classen Curve. I'm thrilled with the overall improvement the city has made and continues to make, but there are so many things like this that just make you want to throw up your hands -- or just throw up.

[mcca7596]

Too bad Scaramucci and the other guy didn't vote.

I think this is the key point, why would not at least one of them make sure to be there to stale-mate it if they were both so strongly against it?

[Spartan]

Why is it that all the bad stuff is contagious?

Well, that's just Bricktown for you.

[Just the facts]

Well, that's just Bricktown for you.

Sadly, the City has no one to blame but themselves. They set the standard with Lower Bricktown so why should developers be held to a higher standard? While the heavily subsidized Bricktown trends towards suburbia, not so heavily subsidized Deep Deuce gets more urban every day. Let's just hope the City is better at urban development in C2S than it was in Bricktown.

[Maynard]

Sadly, the City has no one to blame but themselves...
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Central planning at its finest.

[Urban Pioneer]

I think this is the key point, why would not at least one of them make sure to be there to stale-mate it if they were both so strongly against it?

They probably had personal business to attend to. Keep in mind that appointees are volunteers. It sounds as if they made the other meetings.

[Pete]

It wouldn't have mattered... The city attorney basically told the group they couldn't withhold approval merely due to the parking.

From Steve's article yesterday:

Committee members over the past few months have argued repeatedly against the two parking lots, but were told by city attorneys they couldn't block parking under the statute that regulates design in the historic entertainment district.

Read more: http://newsok.com/proposed-parking-r...#ixzz1dPnZVNSq

[Rover]

Everyone can blast the city all they want, but the city cannot FORCE investment when the economics just aren't there. Over time bricktown property will become more valuable and these lots will go away. But now, the upside doesn't justify huge investment...YET.

DD is perceived by investors to be worth the investment and they are making it so. Their success will ultimately force btown to become more valuable and bigger investments will be made. It is a process.

[wschnitt]

Everyone can blast the city all they want, but the city cannot FORCE investment when the economics just aren't there. Over time bricktown property will become more valuable and these lots will go away. But now, the upside doesn't justify huge investment...YET.

DD is perceived by investors to be worth the investment and they are making it so. Their success will ultimately force btown to become more valuable and bigger investments will be made. It is a process.

I agree. Larger was tried before and it did not work at this site.

[Architect2010]

Everyone can blast the city all they want, but the city cannot FORCE investment when the economics just aren't there. Over time bricktown property will become more valuable and these lots will go away. But now, the upside doesn't justify huge investment...YET.

DD is perceived by investors to be worth the investment and they are making it so. Their success will ultimately force btown to become more valuable and bigger investments will be made. It is a process.

Thanks. We've all been enlightened now. Lord.

[Just the facts]

Everyone can blast the city all they want, but the city cannot FORCE investment when the economics just aren't there. Over time bricktown property will become more valuable and these lots will go away. But now, the upside doesn't justify huge investment...YET.

DD is perceived by investors to be worth the investment and they are making it so. Their success will ultimately force btown to become more valuable and bigger investments will be made. It is a process.

Somewhere in the annals of OKCTalk I said step 1 in urban development is getting rid of all the vacant lots. After all the ground space is taken up things will start going vertical and the people who decided to spread out will be sorry they did so. You need only look at Deep Deuce again as an example. Deep Deuce apartments seemed urban at the time they were built but compared to everything else in Deep Deuce now they are the lowest density.

Unfortunately, development is like a gas - it expands to fill the container.

[Rover]

Thanks. We've all been enlightened now. Lord.

Having a bad day or just trying to be an arse?

[Bellaboo]

Having a bad day or just trying to be an arse?

He's just a kid.....

[Architect2010]

He's just a kid.....

That wasn't an option Rover presented, so that can't be it...

[rcjunkie]

He's just a kid.....

And he's not trying!!!!

[MDot]

And he's not trying!!!!

He's not trying what? Lol

[Spartan]

Central planning at its finest.

That is offensive to planners. There is NO central planning in OKC. This is laissez FAIL to the max.